Breaking Down ALL of 10th Ed 40k's Charging & Melee Rules | Warhammer 40k Tactics 

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25:33 Not gonna lie, I had a horror movie moment when that door behind you slowly opened... Lol 😂

This series is really helpful with the visual references, thanks TT

14:02 I didn't quite get that. The "When" part says "Your charge phase", doesn't specify, if it did it would read "just after(...)" or "just before(...)" like many other stratagems. So you can use this stratagem at the very end; if you charge with your Walker first, then charge with all other units, you can still point back to this Walker and declare that you want to use Tank Shock just before the Fight phase. "Until the end of the phase, after your unit ends a charge move" is when the effect triggers sure, but the declaration of using the stratagem can be done at the very start of the phase on a unit you don't even intend to declare a charge with (if you want to waste 1CP), or at the very end after everyone is within engagement range about ready to fight, or at any moment between those two. You said it best: "Because Tank Shock only gives you an ability that triggers after your charge is completed", announcing you're using it after it's completed doesn't invalidade that stipulation, it would still be within "after your charge". "After" means "At any point from here until the end of the phase" not "Just at this very moment", or even worse, "Before". You're adding the following text to "When: The charge phase, just before you declare charging units." Or am I missing something obvious?

Dont forget my fav. If you charge a unit that has fight first. the player who is not the active player selects the first unit to fight. so you can charge into a unit with fight first and your opponent gets to fight before you do.

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Thank you for this video. I was having a hard time turning the written rules into what that looks like on a board with units of more than one model.

Awesome vid! As a world eaters player, this is gold and would love a follow up vid 🖤

Love your videos! Thanks for the explanation of close combat.

13:00 14:05 Tank Shock doesnt say anything about having to use the strat BEFORE you charge though. All you need is to use it after your units charges but before the end of the phase.

so wait, if I rolled enough to get within 1", but not enough to get base to base, I don't have to end within 1" in order to be selected to activate? That's... wild. About tank shock: Can't you pop the strat after making the roll to see if you get in? there's no clear restriction on timing, it just has to be "during the charge phase."

Love these deep dives!

Always good content!!

I feel like the 'need to end in engagement range with the unit if you charge' rule not existing will get faq'd. It seems against the spirit of the rules and the precedents of previous editions

Very helpful!

The video we need. Thanks for the breakdown. Has been throwin' some peeps.

Thanks for the insight

What about when a player targets a unit for a fight on death Stratagem? For example, Sisters has one that says once the MODEL dies, it can fight after the attacking unit makes its attacks. Does that mean that each model that died can pile in and then make attacks?

Hey man, I actually really appreciate things like this and if you ever need video ideas, rules and interactions are almost always welcome. When I was getting into 40k (late 8th edition), trying to find rules or clarification was often difficult. Can you consolidate after wiping a unit, morale phase confused the hell out of me, so rules are always appreciated, thank you.

Thanks for exaplaining these phases. 26:00 Using this same scenerio, if the carnifex was base to base with one of the termagaunts that's base to base with the crusader squad or assault marines here, could it hypothetically fight them when it's the carnifexe's turn or does that only work for models in the same unit (meaning it would have to be base to base with the space marine unit itself to fight them)?

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Ha you made me go back to the rule book and re-read it again. I thank you for that. Page 29, bottom dot point. " If the charge is successful, each model makes a Charge move less than or equal to the Charge roll, and MUST move into base to base contact with an enemy model if possible. It's all newish rules and great fun for everyone. But please if you are posting clips teaching rules, Please Please make sure you have fully understood them. I like your channel, but this through me a bit.

Charging question. From the wording "each model in the charging unit must end its charge move closet to one of the UNITS selected as a target of its charge", it seems to be legal to extend charging models around a target unit to better envelop it, getting more models into engagement range. For example, I could be 2 inches away and roll a 12 to charge, then use that movement to move the closest models (of the charging unit) past the closest models (of the target unit), to wrap around it. Each of my models are ending closer to the target unit, but many of my models will end the charge move further away from the closest models in that target unit. Is that correct?

I read that if you charge, pile in and lets say you kill a couple models and then consolidate into the nearest models which for simplicity sake is the attacked unit, if some of your models that werent involved in the previous fight attack are now in valid range for attacking themselves, they get to fight themselves too, correct? And they get fight first as well since its the original charged enemy unit. So you can potentially maximize your units involvement from the consolidate action on top of potentially attacking multiple units like was demonstrated in the video?

Thank you for this video. I’ve been looking for similar content concerning charge rolls versus charging. Had an interesting discussion with the player and an FLGS concerning the distinction between within and not within. I could not find anything in the rules explaining of what “ within” is. Per the current rules as long as the charge roll distance allows you to engage “1 inch“ of the eligible model then the unit is eligible to continue to the fight phase, correct? With the definition of within 1 inch meaning, 1.0 inches .99 inches.

Quick question: If two units are with engagement range, but not base to base, across a ruin wall (with windows) are they able to attack each other through the ruin windows?

1: So I want to charge with my Dreadnought. I pick two targets for my charge. Target A is 2 inches away. Target B is 8 inches away. I roll 11. Can I charge through target A's Engagement Range (going for taget B now) since both targets where picked as my possible charging targets? 2: My space marines charge a unit of Von Ryans Leapers. Who fights first? The Leapers since they are my opponent and got Fight First - so they go before the active player even if I got Fight First by making a Charge?

So basically sometimes you want a small charge. Cause you dint wana wrqp around a unit and make charges easier for opponet

Me: o cool, some clarification on attack sequencing in 10th. Been waiting for this cause it seems to be an argument in every game First 15 seconds: I'm not going to be going over sequencing today ......this mf

Questions: Can you hit a charakter in close combat that is within a squad, when you can come into base to base contact with him? And if a big charakter is leading a unit of smaller models and the big charakter is blocking a chokepoint and is the only one you can get in base to base contenct with. How does the dmg apply? Charakter goes first then his bodyguards? And can models only hit other models on base to base contect? Or is it like shooting range attacks and those hits spill over?

10:35 Don't the tyranid models get to pile in since they're being activated for combat though?

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On the tech to end your movements charge just outside of engagement range. You do not have to get that exact dice roll. If you move your back ranks first you can block the placement of your front rank if the bases are large enough.

I did not understand why Tank Shock can only be used before charge move is made. The stratagem does not specify that it has to be activated before the charge move. Can I see my charge rolls first and then spend the CP on the stratagem?

Quick question, if I have a unit 2" away from an enemy unit. If I don't charge can I still pile in 3" cause I would be within engagement range and now eligible to make attacks? Thanks

Something i cant find a clear answer on is can you charge THROUGH a freindly unit in the same way you can move through a friendly unit in the movement phase?

yeah... im calling shenanigans on that engagement range thing.

13:02 tank shock: he says must be used before rolling the charge, where does it say that? It says on the card "...after your unit ends a charge move..." ive always been under the impression that once you made your charge move you can prox it, otherwise GW would of wrote it with that exact caveat. "When you declear a charge ect ect.

10:53 You can actually quite easily achieve this same thing with rolls that are above the minimum required distance, if you plan for it ahead of time. in your example placement, if you rolled a 4 or 5, you can simply move the back 2 space marines first. As long as they are still far enough away to not be able to move into base, you can move them first, placing them far enough away to stay out of engagement range, but close enough to prevent the front guys from getting within base to base. The larger your bases are, the easier this is to do.

Multiple units charging one unit is janky as well. With 3 units, if you walk up to within 2" from a charge target unit, if you activate the largest blob to charge first, they likely drown out the other two charges.

Trying to understand your example with charging just outside of engagement range. I see where charge grants fight first, but fight first only applies if they can fight. I can't find anything stating those who charge can fight, even if they are outside of engagement range.

How do you resolve charges/fighting in melee when attacking unit is 1 floor below in a ruin?

I thought you can’t charge through terrain? Regardless of infantry unit or not?

If you're consolidating towards an objective. You have 5 space marines (per the video), and 4 can get within 3" of the objective but the 5th is stuck outside of the 3" range, can you make the consolidation move or you are in a position where you cannot make the consolidation move?

Right can someone just clarify a simple rule for me, please? Let's say a unit I have was charged, I pull models that take me out of engagement range and the opponent doesn't consolidate. Since I never charged or started my fight within engagement range, I can't pile in to then fight?

Will the video he has linked for tts still work for tts 40k today? I know alot can change in 2 years. Ive never used it before

What would "fight first" due in a melee round where the units did not charge?

So much for streamlining the rules for newer players. It's very much like something you'd study for a college course, not for a hobby. I'll learn it, but geez, it's a lot for only one phase of the game.

Around 10:20 i don't seehow the termaguants can't use the interrupt strat. A charge ends within engagement range, so the termaguants are in engagement range and can use the interrupt strat in the fight phase? If 2 units are within 1 inch of eachother. They can fight and interrupt, no? Because engagement range is 1inch

can i charge after goming down with a drop pod?

Why arent the Termagaunt in engagement range at @10:40? I watched this part of the video twice and still dont understand. If the SM made their charge, it means they are in engagement range, so are the termagaunts.

8:28 Just wondering, is that legal? Because the example at 8:16 is POSSIBLE. And if its possible then you have to do it? So surely that means other options can't be explored?

ive looked at the core rules, Charging with a unit, all 3 points MUST be met or the charge fails and you dont move. first of these is "within engagement range of every unit you selected as a target" you CANT end your charge just out of 1" then pile in, that isnt how it works. what am i missing?

If I charge, wipe out the unit I charged & then consolidate into another unit, I understand I don’t get to attack but he can attack me, once he’s resolved his attacks do I get to fight back..? (All this happening in my turn) does that make sense?

Why at 11:28 they can't end tge move just 1" outside like thw previous example?

Even RAW 9:28 is wrong… If you move your models that way, you do not have enough movement to end that specific move in engagement range, therefore the unit does not meet the first condition for a successful charge while placing the models in that way! It is the same as with terrain… if you cannot place a model legally in engagement range, a charge fails, even if the direct distance is eg 4’ and you rolled a 12 (thanks to walls/ platforms & basesize & whatever). Same thing with trying to avoiding base to base: 8:21 might be a way to interpret it purely raw (but this is in my opinion highly debatable & in need of a faq for clarity), but people are already taking the next step & try to use move blocking to avoid “basing” all together… Why on earth do people think, that they can choose to ignore conditions and/or ‘must’ conditions at will? The last sentence does not invalidate every condition that comes before, but allows you to move your models at will while adhering to them!

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I have a question: does the enemy unit that survives can attack back? Does it goes like this: - I finished my shooting phase - I charge - I pile up -I make attacks -I Consolidate -My enemy makes attacks (?) (Does he consolidates?) I know its a pretty rookie question but the rules are super- specific about other stuff.

Holly cow, mate! Thankfully GW was trying to simplify the rules... I find all these interactions way more complex (and non-intuitive) than in 9th Ed. I think they were trying to cut short all the shenanigans that melee armies could do during the charge and fight phase, however GW ended up overcomplicating this phase. Thank you for this great clarifying video man!

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At 23:30, you mention that it ENDS the move close to the gaunt but I though the rule was has to CONTINUALLY yet closer as you move. Does this mean you can move tangential to the gaunt get to a point where it's closest, but then move away a smaller amount than you were originally? 2 inch away, move get at most 0.5 away, and then keep moving until 1.5?

If anyone tried that RAW charge manipulation horsesh*t I would pack my minis and leave. I have never seen a more egregious intent of rules vs gaming of them in my life. “Chaaaarrrr.. wait a minute lads.. right.. ggggeee!!!!!”

Question that I don't think was addressed, and if I was I apologize. I was playing my first game of 10th a few days ago using my World Eaters, and after making my melee attacks the opponent would remove the killed models as usual but in such a way that the rest of the unit that still had attacks to make were now considered out of melee range. Is that a thing?

So basically, if I have a bloatdrone on a second floor of a ruin other non flying vehicle models can't fight it because they can't get base to base. Engagement range is still 1" horizontal and 5" vertical but to fight you gotta be base to base. Am I thinking correctly? Because my opponent last night did not like that. My deathguard wooped chaos knights.

Hey Trevi, that was a damn efficient rundown of 10th edition CC, man. It looks like you've trimmed the fat off of your breakdown so that it contains just the essential bits. You did miss one or two details as mentioned by other commenters, but nothing that is going to negatively affect understanding the mechanics. I am going to refer newbs to this video. CC has always been one of the most complicated parts of the game mechanics; and that's not even considering all of the special rules and stratagems that can affect it. If you can master the basics of H2H in 40k, you'll have a definite advantage over opponents with a more casual understanding. It is very necessary to understand for competitive play. Thanks a bunch for posting this vid. Happy wargaming, all!

and your outside engagement range yourself. If you can't and don't move within engagement and base to base if you can; you do not move any models.

10:15 "charging with a unit" 2nd paragraph "... for a charge move too be possible, the charge roll must be sufficient to enable the charging unit TO END THAT MOVE: (1ST bullet point) WITHIN ENGAGEMENT RANGE of every unit you selected as a target of the charge" excert from the GW app. You skim read the bullet points at the bottom and didnt read the rules.

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So basically you measure base to base them have to be base to base and the other units have to be within 2” of another unit that is with engagement range?

Chargin units in building is a mess....again 😅

now further into the clip, you charged and purposely didn't get any within engagement range?! for the purpose of limiting what units can interrupt you. You need to where possible get in base to base.

09:40 - If anyone tries that, I'd recommend just picking up your models and leave. Geez.

What do you think about the Charging rules specifically calling out that Aircraft cannot charge, but NOT calling out Fortifications? Nothing in the rules says they can't charge, it doesnt add to their Move stat or anything, and a deep search of the Core Rules AND the Commentary says nothing about it, and there is nothing about "null characteristics" being unusable or the like.... (see 2:39 ) I get that its a "common sense" thing, but in a complicated game with unusual interactions, its one of those "well technically...." things

This may be a foolish question but what if your front line wipes out a unit, another enemy unit is within pile in and you have some models that did not get to attack. Would those remaining models be able to pile in and attack? Also, if you piled in used the full 3", wipe em out the enemy unit are you able to pile in to finish your remaining attacks or would that not be the case and would be considered consolidation, forfeiting their attacks?

So does TTS have 10th ed cards to play?

I mean this is digging deep though anyone at tourneys really doing this? Faq required or.. ment to be?

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Thanks for the explanation! Edit: oh shit first comment, that's rare

Your interpretation of charge move seems wrong. The first condition of charge is to end in engagement range. Your example of rolling not enough to base and moving out of engagement I think is invalid as such

I just want to get the design team in a room and ask them how they can be so bad at their jobs Like they failed so hard at every stated goal of this edition. Is it because of bureaucracy bs? Is it because of ridiculous timelines? Is someone actually trying to sabotage 40k so gws other games get more attention? I just really want to know

9:45 bro, i sincerely think the fact that you included this warrants taking the whole video down. people are actually going to watch this and think it's ok and then get harshly told to GTFO. like at least put a fat disclaimer overlay on screen for the whole segment that says only an asshole would do this.

I actually think these rules are simple. All the gimmicks and rulebending is forbidden. You are way over thinking this.

Jfc who wrote this crap. I still don't understand how charging works

Just seems so unnecessary with these rules and seems like theres ways around stuff when it shouldnt be that way you charge you role 6" on a 6" charge your in and then counters are played etc if they can. So confusing on o you can use counter attack if your base to base but if the other player is smarter if your not base to base he cant use it. So confusing on attacking and charging.

A bit over complicated?

Melee doesn't. Its been put massively on the backfoot this edition. More shooty shooty

i don't like your cagy idea about purposely moving your models in the charge phase to limit base to base. The rule and the games theme is to when in melee get stuck in. this is one of those conflict points where a player sucks every morsel out of of the rules and ignores the developers play theme. You spend more time discussing the rules than playing and in the end don't have any fun and decide never to play that person again.

These rules suck lol... full of holes and prone to abuse.

I do not think you should be teaching this type of 'new' charge cheese. It is clearly not intentional and isn't being played that way at tournaments.

Wow. 10th sucks. I'll just keep playing Apocalypse.