Brown Southern Cross Arrives 

One of the reasons why I enjoyed MSG 08th MS Team so much. None of this newtype, super-suit business.

​@@VulgarHonestyI'm honestly fine with newtypes and all that nonsense as long as MS are used like actual military vehicles instead of just running around and shooting randomly (or stupidly standing in the open and getting blown up). 8th MS Team is king in that regard, but I think 0083 is good too.

I much prefer this type of MS than those peacocks.

Name of animes plz ?

Oh come on.. there's some straight up fantasy cartoon crap shenanigans in 8Th MS Team kid, your brain was just kicked by pretentious portrayal of the Feddies as the "good guys" because the writer of that O.V.A. was a n00bzez.

And yet they're still defeated and had to pull out of earth in Odessa

Why'd they go with Don's over HM Zakus? Manufacturability?

Play the Eurobeat music then takumi will deep down in fear and not to touch his 86 again

@@Fallenangel0w0Partly. The Dom was designed from the outset as a high-mobility ground combatant and has heavier armour and weapons, the HMZaku is a retrofit that's still just a Zaku ('just' is relative, the Zaku was a good machine). Indeed, you might say the HMZaku is an attempt to replicate the most basic features of the Dom in units that don't have access to that mobile suit. Pilot skill being equal, a unit of Doms would cream an equal number of Zakus, which is a good explanation of why once the war left Earth the Dom was retained and so rapidly (and easily) refit to the Rick Dom for space use while the Gelgoog was still in preproduction.

​@@kos29191:18 1:19

Hathaways Flash' movie also recreated the locations it featured really well (Phillipines, I believe) so it sisn't surprising they do good here too. :)

The GMs were doing well, too bad the folks with the more experience pilots show up.

You do realize the gm is pretty much on par with the rx78 as the rx78 was the gm prototype

​@@HatsuneM1ku01Really? I thought it was one of those, "The final prototype is amazing, but it's too expensive to mass produce, so for the finished product, we'll just make a cheaper knock-off of said prototype, and hope for the best," type deals.

​@@GabrielusPrime My thoughts exactly.

The GMs were far superior to zakus, the feds lacked experienced pilots that’s all.

The second the Southern Cross showed up, the GMs were screwed.

Wait are we talking about the Southern Cross of Ace Combat

​@mohammadsyazwigeoffrey7325 No he is talking about Gundam.

There are several problems with that claim: For starters, they were using beam weapons… in the middle of an urban area, still full of civilians. In the Hathaway movie we already saw the EF MS pilots being quite careless using such deadly weapons around, causing LOTS of collateral damage (read: civilian casualties). Worst of all, there’s the risk of accidentally hitting the reactor of a Zaku II & causing it to blow in the middle of the city. Second, the GM, or rather the Gundam it is based on, was designed from the offset to be able to counter the standard Zaku II, namely its use of beam weapons and the shield for defending against bullets from the standard 120mm machine gun. For contrast, the EF’s Hizack is seen as an oddity and sometimes the inferior machine in the Gryps War due to its need to pick & choose only one beam weapon, meaning that sometimes it ends with a 120mm machinegun in a battlefield full of MS equipped with beam rifles. By the same coin, this weapon is ideal for fighting inside colonies and urban areas to minimize collateral damage. Same goes to the Hizack’s heat hawk which wouldn’t cause an MS reactor to go off if hit with it. Last, but not least, despite these issues, the Brown Southern Cross using ballistic weapons and melee heat weapons overpowered the GM types that had shields to counter some of the former and beam sabers that should have been better than the later, showing that Zeon did good in focusing on restoring the “mobility” part of their MS, specially in the case of the Dom series which in series taking place after the OYW is still showing to be able to get the advantage even over newer & more modern MS.

@ZeonicFenrir Dude, he only said the GMs were wiping out the Zakus. Which is exactly what we saw. There was nothing wrong about his statement. Also, usually the GMs get their asses kicked by the Zaku II and were equipped with beam guns late. Though, whether their losing is due to inferiority or the significant difference in pilot experience is debatable, seeing as the Zeon pilots were also inexperienced in fighting other mobile suits.

I have seen that. ahah

The directing too! The movie and shows are able to do light hearted moments and serious ones super well, the music and animation is oit of this world

Well, who said you can't overkill when you're a sniper? This is a franchise that had beam gun turrets the size of a battleship one used as sniper rifles lol.

It's probably using a different type of ammo than the anti-ship rounds, these look like armor piercing while the ones char used were frag rounds designed to blow apart ship interiors

@@cabnbeeschurgr6440 that makes sense.

Seems he's using a shorter barrelled variant for ground use

you can tell Char's weapon was different. this has a m1 grand look and the one char uses is like a bazooka. flared opening vs barrel with comp

Us federation fans will always suffer.

seriously, I was about to comment, do fed grunts EVER get decent moments? I almost said unicorn but then I remember the jesta group were special forces so I wouldn't call them "grunts"

​@@YouJustAmazeMethat one Stark Jegan in the opening fight of Unicorn went toe to toe with the big Neo Zeon cyber-newtype suit for a good while, he was just a grunt. Also the Gustav Karls in Hathaway took down several of the Messers in the attack on Davao but it mostly happens offscreen

The GM Custom had a pretty good performance against Zeon in Stardust Memory iirc

Ya I second that. The GM customs definitely held their own against the Delaz fleet​@@thememetacularsasquinatch3175

でもザクがベース機だから稼働時間の問題がありそう...

設定が同じ場合、燃費が悪い上、一般の普通のパイロットだと操縦が難しいです エースだと好評ですが

これに関してはグフとかドムのノウハウを活かしたザクの後期発展タイプ的な立ち位置なんじゃない？もしくはドムの技術試験のために試験的に開発された機体みたいな。

現実の銃火器と同じだと思ってる 完全な上位互換が生まれてもすでに普及している下位互換に負けるだなんてザラだしそう言う事だよ(適当

これは実質的にプロトタイプのドムなので、実際にはこのマシンよりも優れています!

They're onyly slightly better, the Gelgoog would slaughter them but sadly were over powered by the GM's sheer numbers

@@ProtoAlpha Gelgoogs weren't that strong because most of the veteran pilots were dead and most rookies were manning those gelgoogs by the end of the OYW

血圧

ヒートホークでボコボコになったジム以外はちゃんと誘爆してないか

​@@madannoshasyulmao

演出

ちゃんと爆発しとるで 遅いけど

I was just thinking the same thing. Headshots on an MS have already been shown to just take out the main camera, ala Char shooting off RX-78-2's head.

​@@Kieva_Storm Aren't these GMs made resistant to the machine gun fire? Also where is their rear security?

first gms suffered from serious defects ranging from engines exploding at 100% power (which is why all gm 1 had to be urgently updated to gm 2 version after war) to fact that hydrogen was used to fuel jet engines (they were needed for space versions but by accident many of them were sent to earth) so I'm not surprised that gms explode so easily.

my reasoning is that it was shot by the same anti-ship cannon that Char used in the Battle of Loum, which carries a large caliber high explosive fragmentation round and the fuze of the shot detonated the round inside of the head, causing the fragmentation to pierce straight into the generator.

it doesn't look like a fragmentation round. At around 1:06, you can see that the shell pierced through.

Because rules of cool.

those are the same rifles they use to combat federation ships, so yeah make's sense why they just go boom after 1 shot.

Zeon propaganda

Lots of ammo in the universe has mild to strong fragmentation near the explosives. Not to mention fused rounds... Sniper units are firing basically HEAP and HEFA types

because in lore all ms were created as space fighters and of total weight at least 50% of weight was accounted for fuel tanks and hydrogen was used for fuel. zeon (800,000 troops and 1000 ms landed on earth) and federation for ground combat modified ms by replacing jet engines and fuel for greater efficiency and safety. however there is a small detail in lore out of 3000 gms only about 250 were built on earth (taking into account earth conditions) rest were built in space as space fighters.

MSを戦いの中で淡々と使い捨てられる小道具として描くのに徹する富野さんと、MSをキャラクターとして描いてしまう安彦さんの違いかなぁ。自分は前者が圧倒的に好き。安彦さんのつける演技・演出は正直くどすぎて「歌舞伎かよw」と思ってしまう。

そこが安彦ガンダムの魅力の一つだからな。俺は好き。

そんなバカな・・・ 一体何処の白い悪魔なんだ(笑)

その割にはジム部隊貧弱過ぎというか、相手強すぎというか。

ジムを早期生産した結果本編より装備がブラッシュアップ出来てないとも言える 無駄に弾数が少ないだけになりがち

オリジン設定だとガンダムはジムのプロトタイプだからファーストと異なりビームライフルも標準装備らしい。

連邦側のMSのパイロットが未熟で、人型砲台の動きしか出来ないとかね。 この時点ではWBは未だジャブローに辿り着いてないからガンダムの戦闘データは配布されてないのだ。

are we watching the same vid?

Cuz fuck you!😤 Plot takes priority over logic especially in anime! The Gundam is on the Federation side, and the Gundam has to win to show off to investors (people who buy model kits and such) 😡

It is a case of too little too late. Zeon lost the resource war on Earth as their supply lines got cut and most of their veterans died due to superior firepower from mass production enemies and/or poor leadership as the Zabi family have in fighting.

Terrible planning to put it simply.

If you look at GM's spac, it massively outspec zaku and is on par with Dom in space. The other thing is until gelgoog which came out in the last week of the war, there is no mass produced beam weapon equipped ms in Zeon. And anti-beam coating was not a thing until gelgoog, but GM is widely equipped with beam weaponry which neither zaku nor dom can defend against. Also anime likes to shit on GM because the protagonist is often on the fed side. If GMs is shown to already handle things well, there is no space for the hero to come in.

They were in an arms race essentially at first Zeon had the upper hand when they came out with dom along with char being a menace on the battlefield with most of the special units he used, but when the gundam was introduced they were trying everything they could to try and catch up but at that point they were too late also gms were mass produced and pumped out faster than most of the special units Zeon had so they had to rely on Zakus. Also most of their vets died in battle so there’s that too

To commit war crimes

"He who hesitates, disintegrates."

1年戦争初期の頃のジオンの強さはパイロットの差ってのがよくわかりますよね

時期的にはジムは実戦投入されたばかりですし、褐色のサザンクロスはエース部隊ですからね(高機動ザク自体もドム並みの機動力がある)

​@@MIYATOU-MELKAガノタ擁護笑

@@Ranmaru_tenka 語る知識もない無能が煽っても馬鹿にされるだけよ。

ジムにもホバリング機能持たさないと、無理そうだな。 それにしても貧弱過ぎ。

ククルス・ドアンの島を映画化したクソつまんない作品です。見る価値ないです

安彦ガンダムってMSに人間臭い動きをさせるのが特徴だからな。オリジンの漫画だとそういうシーン多くて面白い。

@@安達薄着 オリジンらしさねぇ、、 なるほどわかりました

いやこれオリジンの世界だから初代とは全く関係ないぞ

劇場版ククルス・ドアンの島に登場するMSはORIGIN版準拠なのでビームライフル装備のジムも存在してるね

そのビームライフルもガンキャノン用の「旧型」にみえる。

あとは陸戦用ジム用の地上用ビームスプレーガンも。

でもザコには変わらない

初期の設定上、ECAPビームライフルでも出力の足らないジムに無理やりビームライフル運用させる為に補助ジェネレーターと追加バッテリーてんこ盛りで機動性を失ったジムスナイパーの方が説得力あるし、その方がリアルでカッコよい。オリジンは別設定でにげて原作レイプばかり。大嫌いだ。

The gm was shot by a rifle that once the bullets hit, the bullet shoot out shrapnel. So likely the gm reactor got hit too.

@@bakl3467 thats cap bro

@@2233forlolz not really when that rifle is shown and used in Gundam the Origin ovas. By char and the black tri stars. Doan’s island looks like to take place in the Origin timeline due to the Mobile suit design and the time the movie takes place is different compared to the 0079 anime. And Slegger existing in the movie where he was added when the White base was in Jaburo.

ザクII系のホバー機体は稼働時間大抵は短くなるからドムを開発したんやで

挙動がATやん、でっかいATやん。

やっぱ歩くとか走るより、浮かせた方が良さげ。

宇宙用の高機動ザクも結局リックドムが優先されたし多少はね？

MSが人間臭いからじゃない？

初代でも足切られただけで爆発してたし多少はね？

I agree, i just wish the Zaku's victories didn't usually come from a Fed suit just STANDING there. Like seriously MOVE!

Zaku-s win a lot in side-material. GM-s are the one who tend to job on- screen.

I think the biggest problem with lots of Zaku pilots is that at the beginning of the war their opponents are tanks and land fortifications (stationary and mobile) their most dangerous opponents were fighter jets. When the Feds finally deploying GM they probably not ready to adapt to MS vs MS fight

Beisde the Red Comet you mean lol

If anything, Zakus win too much.

間違いじゃないとすれば より細かく方向を言える 24時間時計での方位ですかね？ 昔、アメリカ陸軍航空隊も 24時間時計を使っていたそうなので まぁ…無い訳ではなさそうです。

@@user-ponkotsukakumei 海軍の時計を使ってるかも。23時って１１：３０方。

Agreed.

戦闘シーンだけでなにがわかるんだよw

Extra flare for the shot, maybe? I know for a fact there aren't any rounds or magazines stored up there. It's just a sensor suite.

So if I remember correctly the ammo from those rifles are like scatter shots so when it hits it’s target they blow up into many pieces but I could be wrong on that

@a0ryk Forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with that instance. I've only watched 3 and a quarter Gundam shows. I know during WW2 there were instances of tanks going up in flames and/or exploding from not critical hits that shouldn't have had that effect. The cause was leaking hydraulic fluid. The leaks would be throughout the tank and a hit to a non-critical area would ignite the leaking hydraulic fluid.

@TheNumberJuan45 If that was the case for this instance it still wouldn't make sense. The round hit the head, pierced it, and blew out the other side. The exit wound is huge. If it was a pierce and scatter round, the delay in the explosion wouldn't have been that big for ground combat against mechs and the scattered shot itself would've been scattered into the buildings right behind the head. That wasn't the case since the mech itself exploded instead of the backdrop. I do know what you're talking about. There are many space combat scenes that have rocket launchers or sniper cannon rifles that have either a delayed time explosion or scatter shot after hitting a ship; which would make sense. Blowing a huge hole in the side of the ship is great. Honeycombing the interior of a space battleship with high explosives is just as good.

that's one thing i dont like that Gundam does a lot, everything explodes no matter where the damaged is no mater what. except when it doesnt.

この人のガンダムはそういう演出させるのが特徴なので···俺は好きだぞ。

This animation studio is good at funny stuff and serious stuff.😊

ホバー移動の方が作画カロリーが低くて・・・げふんげふん

⁠@@no7stregaそういうことじゃなくて、ホバーで推進してるのにスケートみたいに漕いでるのがおかしいってことをコメ主は言ってる 個人的にはオリジンの描写全てに言えるけど、MSの動きが人間に寄りすぎてて好きじゃない

​@@bell1788俺は好きだけどな。こういうガンダムがあってもいいと思う。

Gundam Blue Destiny really need to be adapted into an anime. Even the supposed "Gundam" look more like a GM painted blue

8th Ms team is almost literally that.

@@valkerionrides9879 no, from the beginning they're already using Ground type Gundam. And their ez8 unit is only look like that because the manufacturer run out of time to make proper Gundam head and refit it with a GM head instead

That's just called MS IGLOO

I would pay very good money for this, give love to my GM Sniper II PLEASE, ITS ONLY ON SCREEN MOMENT IN 0080 WAS A FUCKING JOKE

ククルス・ドアンはそれが嫌になったので、ジオン軍を抜けてしまった。 そのドアンの侠気に、アムロは幼い侠気で応えてみせた。

Casablanca is a huge city It's actually the largest city Morocco

安彦良和はモビルスーツの挙動を「機械」じゃなくて「キャラクター」として描いてる感が有る。身体の動きに表情が有るというか。 近藤和久が描いたファーストガンダムのコミカライズは、機械の可動域を意識した「最小限しか動かずに戦う」みたいな描写だったが、全然面白みが無い。

マジンガーＺでは兜甲児が目眩を起こしたら、 Ｚが頭を抱えてよろめくからまぁこれくらいは・・・

いやいや、変態プログラマー大好きなんですよw

1:48 これ

⁠@@脱走奴隷兵器なんだから必要な動作しかしないのは普通でしょ、それがリアルロボットたるガンダムシリーズの面白い所だと思うんだけど 戦闘用のプログラムで動いてるMSが「やめて！やめて！😢」みたいな動作するのどう考えても違和感あるでしょ

The comment that aged decades ago

同人作品が10億以上ヒットしたんだよなぁ

この世界のガンダムだとソロモン戦でゲルググが実戦投入されてるから初代の世界と一緒に見てはいけない

イグルーのシャアザク見たら発狂しそう

What's the point of even building and using mechs or "mobile suits" as they call it when a single shot by a high energy weapon will destroy an entire unit. Might as well just be using fighter jets and equip them with guided missiles or energy weapons at this point.

機動戦士ガンダム the origin 「ククルス・ドアンの島」 だと思います

Cucuruz's Doans Island