Bryan Kohberger Not Guilty? Defense Drops Key New Information in Court Document - Attorney analysis 

Yes the other girls and the phycos they were partying with

@@kRomani-gh4ws ❣️

I hardly doubt those two girls posses thw experience ,knowledge, or resources to clean up a bloody crime scene so well that it was overlooked by numerous crime scene investigators and homicide detectives.

@@bonniehowell9206 Oh, so you're laying further explanation for the crowd of friends they called to have help? You know .. before contacting police...

@@bonniehowell9206but one 28 year old male does???

Precisely

Bryan Kohberger (BK) thought he was so smart that he could fool everybody. BK hated all the attractive, popular girls that rejected him and focused upon one. BK imagined himself committing the ‘perfect crime’ and then taking great pleasure and delight in the aftermath as he analyzed it with his criminology expertise. BK focused on a victim somehow, surveyed the house and at one or more of the many open parties hosted there and meticulously planned his crime. He intended to slip in, kill one, slip out, drive away unobserved, dispose of evidence, clean his car, and go home. BK did not account for the plethora of video surveillance in the modern world. The food delivery at 4AM was a hitch in his plans. The lights in the house caused him to drive around the area, making his vehicle very noticeable. Finding two girls together was a slight hitch. Encountering the other two victims was another hitch. Imagine how empowered he must have felt after his improvisation. Imagine his ecstasy as he drove from the murder scene and ditched clothes and knife. Imagine his discomfort turning to panic as he realized he did not have the knife sheath. Imagine his discomfort as he thoroughly and meticulously cleaned his white Elantra. Imagine his discomfort during the two traffic stops on his drive back to Pennsylvania. Imagine his discomfort while watching, reading, and hearing talk about his crime. Kohberger’s sister feared that her brother was involved in the Idaho murders before his arrest. She grew increasingly suspicious of his behavior when the family gathered for the holidays. Kohberger constantly wore latex gloves. Her suspicions were so great that she spoke to other family members, and several searched his white Elantra for possible evidence of the crime. Imagine his discomfort during the arrest, when they took his mug shot, fingerprinted him, swabbed for DNA, his first night in the slammer, his first jail meal, 16 months…. Imagine how many times he has awakened in his solitary, dark cell from the recurring nightmare: HOW DID I LEAVE THE KNIFE SHEATH AT THE MURDER SCENE?

We still don't have the whole picture. We don't know who is "wrong".

Particularly after all the reports that the locals could have passed this off to the ISP, but they chose to keep it themselves, and their amazing investigative prowess is what cracked the case - they were so much smarter than all their critics. 🙄

I share ur concerns. Emotions r running high in this high profile case and i fear its really possible an innocent man will be the only held accountable and found guilty. However Anne Taylor seems on top of this and she has something 5:01 to gain here. If she gets him off, she will be catapulted into the upper echelon of defense attorneys in the usa

@@barbaras631 The prosecution leaks everything under the sun to Ashley Banfield. We know their case -- they have nothing.

@@stardust1593 The "bushy eyebrows" girl, who didn't call the Police for eight hours, until after she and her friends had cleaned up the crime scene ? You call THAT a witness ?

Meh, I would chalk it up to any number of uninvolved people who could have handled the sheath for innocuous reasons.

From my understanding the other male DNA was in the house generally, not on the sheath. "By December l7, 2022, lab analysts were aware of two additional males’ DNA within the house where the deceased were located, and another unknown male DNA on glove found outside the residence on November 20, 2022." The glove is possibly the one found by the ex LE RU-vidr, and if so it was all the way out the front, by the bins, just inside the police tape. He didn't touch it but pointed it out to LE, but the location means that it likely was completely unrelated. If this is the glove, and LE explain the circumstances...I wouldn't think it's relevant. Especially if it turned up after a sweep of the area.

@@sara_387 If it’s just unknown dna from about the house, I wouldn’t be worried about it either. A house with that many young college kids would probably have a ton of mixed DNA from all kinds of people there for unrelated reasons.

I’d want to know too. That many people in that short time frame, was there more than one person? Did they look into the regular people to visit the house enough to clear them fully to be able to prove there is no reasonable doubt

@@teskejon If your looking for a job as a law enforcement investigator, Moscow Idaho LE would probably love having you on their team.

don't you need a full jury to say guilty before someone is convicted or is this different per crime severity?

Wow what a story. Say hello to your mom. she is incredible human. What an example.

Read the case about Touch Dna and how unreliable it is. Lukis anderson San jose California. Touch dna was transfered by medic that attended to Lukis, and then Medic went to a new crime scene and transfered Lukis Touch dna.

@@jimskeuh Yes you do. Only half the jury thought he was guilty, but under pressure from the head juror, he got everyone else except my Mom to vote that he was guilty. If she had given in like the other nearly 50% of the jury, that man would have gone to jail even though they didn't really think the defendnat was guilty. There was no evidence presented against him.

Since your mom was the only one who could't seem to see his guilt and she went with her "sense", he was probably guilty! So yes, everyone involved who worked hard and suffered can thank your mom!

This case is so weird

I agree, this is beyond terrifying. I'm learning that regardless of if you are guilty or not, if LE wants you to be guilty they will manipulate public perception and alter evidence and reports to justify whatever dumb ass idea they decide is the truth and make you into a monster if needed. I've heard all kinds of things about him with ZERO evidence. Oh he was a drug addict, he's an incel, this was just an experiment for him. He's a creep. He video tapes women and stalks them. No evidence of anything other than he is an intelligent, dedicated to his studies and being a good instructor. He doesn't seem to have any hatred towards females or any issues getting laid. He seems pretty normal, if not a bit above average and doesn't come close to fitting the profile of someone capable of doing something like this. He's also hardcore vegan. Can't eat a burger but zero issues shredding a live person brutally? 4 people? I don't see it at all. The roommates raise a million red flags. Him? None to me.

That (destruction of crime scene home) was a year after he was arrested, not a few weeks.

@@aliciapeck7869 I know the actual demolition was a year later, but they attempted to start the process almost immediately after BK's arrest. I remember seeing the split screen of BK's mugshot and live footage of the clearing out of the house by police, etc. If I remember correctly, they only stopped and delayed after they were ordered to because the defense rushed to request an order from the court.

This thought process for me implies there were cameras located inside the residence. Just who had remote access to these becomes relevant. Perhaps this is considered "adjacent evidence" and, as yet, not disclosed.

Multiple people were involved or he was set up. The roommates not calling the cops for like 8 hours is weird to me as well. If there really is nothing else but the sheath and touch DNA on it then idk.

@@willbeard4835 There was no victims dna in BKs apartment, office, home or vehicle. Sorry but there is no way he could stab four people and there is no dna anywhere. Doesn't matter how much he cleaned it would be found somewhere.

Initially, the experts I listened to were certain it would be impossible for no trace dna from the victims would be found in his car or apartment. They went on at length about this being a certainty. So, the absence is fairly compelling.

And a new SUV that could have been filled with guys. And picks a night Ethan is there and a barking dog.

there is a lot of evicende that he was around the house in the period of the murders. he even turned his phone off. He is connected, but he's probably more of a puppet in an organisation who carried out the murders; we're not sure yet what his role was, but i dont think he did the act of killing. I think that was someone else. (who also planted the sheath)

Did they not run this dna through 23andme or any other dna site like they did on BK? Where's the info on that? Sounds sloppy to me.

He's not innocent he guilty he's just trying to throw any form of defense he can at all wall

@@michaelkrajewski3070 How do you know he is guilty before the judicial process has been completed. Let the adults speak.

Ditto. We have only heard and seen the evidence from one side, we still need to see and hear from the other side. Everyone is groupthinking based on the narrative that the media has made and already have him as guilty. People gang up on anyone else that have ask questions, like, why did it take too long for the someone else to call the police? Why did law enforcement started cleaning the murder site as soon as they caught BK? Why did many students know that someone had died from an overdose in that house before law enforcement did? That is very odd? The timeline doesnt add up either. I want to hear from both sides before passing judgement. If this might lead to the death penalty, then we need to hear both sides, personal opinions aside.

​@michaelkrajewski3070 yes please. I really want to know, also, what reason you have to determine this guy's guilt. I'm someone who sat in jail for 2 1/2 yrs hoping to see a judge as I didn't have $$$ or notoriety to attract a good lawyer & actual help & my family couldn't make my bond (so if you ever read the law about the bond HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE TO THE PARTY ARRESED, ask yourself how they arrive at that amt.) as I certainly was unable to find anyone who could aid to post bond for me & I was absolutely treated as guilty until proven innocent. Not fun. But ANY inmate puts $ in the state's coffers so they say they're operating under the law & without decent protection via a good defense attorney who gives a crap, you'll sit in jail & likely, ultimately, get screwed into a plea if not an actual hearing no one is there to fight. The name of the game in my case was to avoid that initial preliminary hearing which they most likely would not have gotten thru, but if you're willing to wait a bit, you can take your case to the grand jury and bypass that hearing earring. And the grand jury is appointed by the state so who do you think they side with? Have you ever heard it said that the grand jury will indict a bologna sandwich if asked to do so? I know public defenders who could've beaten their case with 1/2 their brains tied behind their backs! That's just 1 off the many ways people wind up in prison for crimes they didn't commit & I've heard little to indicate this guy's guilty of anything, let alone the heinous murders of 4 people. When he was arrested I think we all sat back and thought, "okay well they're going to show us what they had to file for an arrest warrant without uncovering all their evidence", but at this point that's the reason for the motion to compel. They have NO EVIDENCE they've shown to date, so if you know something they don't, you should really call them and tell them or better yet make the trip and show them. If you're making an assumption then what you're saying is wrong because that's not the way our judicial system is supposed to work and it often sadly does so please don't add to it! One woman came into the jail and wanted to know who I was and another woman asked why. She said because she knew I was guilty of the crimes I had been charged with so the other person asked her how, and she said because it was on the front page of the local newspaper! Well, I mean by all means!!! If it was in the news then we all must be guilty of exactly what the press says, which most of us are still berating MSM for doing just that with regard to JD & AH, but yet here we're going to take the press's word for the fact this guy is guilty? Or better yet yours? This is but one reason for the voire dire of a jury... to weed out those who've already made up their minds based on what they saw or read in the news. And that is getting harder and harder to do considering the saturation of media in and around cases like this. They convict with nothing, as do you, evidently. 🤷‍♀️

​@@grantclarkson9184adults? With an arrogant 'childlike' response?😂😂😂😂

They use words to cause doubt not factual statements

@@janice38866 true, but the prosecution should raise objections, which they did not.

We don't know he said that 100%. That was said by Bryan Entin...

There is no confirmation that is even true.

I agree. I've read so many cases, and watched so many crime shows, and read many crime books. This case sticks out as one of the most botched cases I've ever ran into. But the media will sell it to the public, and somehow, BK will go down. I'm not saying he's innocent, I'm just saying this case stinks. He should be exonerated.

nor anthing relating to gruesome murders on him, in his car or home.

My thoughts exactly

Remember Richard Jewell.

@@aburkhartlaw And I should add, that the police may well be absolutely convinced 'they have their man', because we humans decide things based on how we 'feel' not how we think. The emotional desire or even 'need' to get a result can lead police to see evidence that simply isn't there or apply weight to the available evidence that is not justified. There is a great book by Carol Tavris on 'cognitive dissonance' that goes into how we all allow our emotional desires to decide things for us - we are not rational creatures. ... And one of the reasons people often do not like lawyers (sorry Andrea) is that they are required to force the jury to look past the emotional desires for justice and the disgust at whatever crime, to the the 'cold, hard facts' - and we humans really do not like that!

the name of the book is, "mistakes were made, but not by me" ...

Zachariah Anderson is another case where there was no DNA and fitted evidence has seen that young man found guilty of murder, with no evidence….and the person he’s supposed to have murdered is missing, not even declared dead! There needs to be better work done to connect suspects with the victims otherwise there is still a murderer out there doing what?

he most certainly did it, the question is whether or not there were more people involved

@@matthewfors114 how can you be so certain when I presume you’re only privy to public information?

Google the case of Lukis Anderson of San jose California, put in jail bc of touch dna.. but it was the Medic that attended to him while he went to a hospital that transfered Lukis's Touch dna to a crime scene that medic went to after.

​@@matthewfors114what makes you think that and other than rumors what proof do you have of his guilt

​@@matthewfors114how do you know he did it ?

It’s clearly the right guy

@@ml.9417 i can only hope people like you don't ever end up on a jury

​@@ml.9417If i may ask what convinces you it was BK? Curious. Thanks.

They Got the Right guy.

I would have wholeheartedly agreed based on the PCA. Maybe they do have the right guy but bushy eyebrows isn’t convincing if that’s all they have. I imagine we don’t know a lot of the states’ case, so I remain open minded but there are questions on the Elantra, the sheath and now DNA. If he does have a provable alibi, it’s over.

@@demi8890 I didn’t care much about a celebrity civil suit. Why?

❤Agreed 💯

​@@joann5075 Time for the "get the rope" crowd to step out of their echo chambers and listen to actual lawyers, rather then retired detectives who will always side with the State and LE. The whole "everyone lies but LE" narrative being propagated by ex law enforcement, who swore to uphold and defend the Constitutional Rights of the citizenry, is going to be put to bed with this case for sure imo. 👍 I'm interested in hearing the States response as to why the other 3 unknown male profiles found at the scene near victims were never tested in the same methods and manner as the touch dna on the sheath. Where's the IGG trees for the 3 unknowns? 🤷‍♀️

Yes, I think I finally found someone I can trust about this case.

@@klwingate6654Andrea is one of the best no bull crap, no agenda and straight to the point. You’ve definitely found one to trust😊

@@klwingate6654 its a long road on utube to find trustworthy "true" crime creators..........

Sorry to hear you went through that. There is such a thing as corrupt policing which many don't want to believe.

@@racheljacobs9688 So?

@@racheljacobs9688 That is what you think? So for you is better to get a guy, even if is innocent, to pay for this murders, than to look for the real perpetretors? What if it was somebody in your family?

​@@racheljacobs9688The horror! In seriousness, what do you mean by 'her true colors' here? What did she reveal by complementing the defense lawyer that she intended to keep hidden?

@@racheljacobs9688are you American?? How can you watch this and say such a thing? A skilled attorney is a skilled attorney no matter what side they’re on. People can have OBJECTIVE opinions.

@@Kiyonce.Kartier Non-American, here. We believe in innocent until proven guilty a lot more strongly than y’all seem to.

The State has to turn over everything, the defense only has to turn over what they plan to use in trial.

Yes the State is required to turn over ALL evidence but there must be a reason they want to break the law and I think that reason is to nail BK and keep secrets!!

@@joyceanderson8648 Ah, so “innocent until proven guilty for the suspected murderer,” but that doesn’t work the other way around? The prosecution is guilty of foul play according to many here, with no evidence to prove that statement. Funny how that works.

Depends on the judge. If he's a good judge, as is claimed, he will decide in favour of complete discovery.

@@enigma_-_79 No, it's opinions based on evidence, n the evidence doesn't point to guilt of Kohberger but does point to guilt of prosecution.

I'll give it to the defense, they are good! We don't have all the evidence and we need to remember that Kohberger was in the area many times. Why? His phone was off at the time of the murders then turned back on after. Why? We also know Kohberger purchased an identical sheath. They never found it in their search. Where is it? There is a lot of circumstantial evidence but I wouldn't say he is exactly innocent.

Touch Dna is unreliable. Read the case of Lukis Anderson San Antonio California by scientific American. In December 2012 a homeless man named Lukis Anderson was charged with the murder of Raveesh Kumra, a Silicon Valley multimillionaire, based on DNA evidence. The charge carried a possible death sentence. But Anderson was not guilty. He had a rock-solid alibi: drunk and nearly comatose, Anderson had been hospitalized-and under constant medical supervision-the night of the murder in November. Later his legal team learned his DNA made its way to the crime scene by way of the paramedics who had arrived at Kumra's residence. They had treated Anderson earlier on the same day-inadvertently “planting” the evidence at the crime scene more than three hours later. The case, presented in February at the annual American Academy of Forensic Sciences meeting in Las Vegas, provides one of the few definitive examples of a DNA transfer implicating an innocent person and illustrates a growing opinion that the criminal justice system's reliance on DNA evidence, often treated as infallible, actually carries significant risks. www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-dna-implicates-the-innocent/ .................

No chance it was not Kohberger. Zero

My brother who is now a fired disgraced cop for planting evidence on numerous people(only got “caught” for one) but as they said “even if your 100% innocent we can put you there and make you guilty it’s our word against yours who are they going to believe” he may have did it and be guilty but it’s also possibility a cop or somebody with close contact to cops did it who knows

@@Nathann556innocent until proven guilty in a court of law 🇺🇸

"Could be guilty" is a far cry from "beyond reasonable doubt," but you do have a point - that detail doesn't kill the prosecution's case. (edit - typo)

Andrea states that if he cleaned, there would be evidence of that cleaning.

Isn’t there a way to retrieve anything deleted/erase -even after a lengthy amount of time?

Nothing is ever totally deleted. It can always be retrieved.

In response to both the above replies, is not always possible to retrieve deleted data. The reason why deleted data can be recovered in the first place is because the physical memory it was on isn't deleted; it remains for future use. All that happens when you delete a file is that the operating system removes all references to that file, and stops caring about what occupies the space it used to occupy on physical memory. If that memory is overwritten, its past contents are lost forever. One can deliberately choose to overwrite that memory if one knows how.

I, too, found that word choice jarring. I would have expected to read, “the knife sheath was _found_ [in a described orientation].”

Placed meaning planted by someone with the intent to frame.

​@@kayhawkins5925 Are you sure on that? Are you willing to bet your life on that 👀 From the movie Legally blonde 🥸

​​​@@kayhawkins5925The point I'm making is things like what you are saying is miss information. We have to see all the evidence 🧾 before making any decisions and I bet there is a lot of evidence that we have yet to see so everyone just needs to calm down and just wait

To be clear, I’m not suggesting that the sheath was planted (not a conspiracy theorist) nor am I suggesting that the defense is implying that with their wording. I am suggesting that In this particular instance, using the wrong word demonstrates a lack of effort, poor attention to detail, or a misunderstanding of basic vocabulary. It’s important to reduce ambiguity and misinterpretation to increase effectiveness of communication.

Not really. That latest defence doc is the best summary of months of questions many of us have all had since the start of this hot mess of a case.

I suspect that statement is based on Andrea's experience in the field. This is the third time defense has asked for disclosure, with (to my maybe flawed understanding) no meaningful response either of those times, and the defense has started using strong language (paraphrasing, "if xyz evidence exists, the prosecution is hiding their entire case / based on what has been disclosed, the prosecution has no case"). She may have encountered situations like this before, and from that experience, may know that this is generally a bad sign for the prosecution.

@@delta3244 Touché. I do think there’s a lot of speculation in her analysis but I’m sure her experience is guiding her opinions here. Definitely great insight regardless!

@@claudiabTVdisagree - we still don’t know what evidence they do have. It’s obviously strong if they are this confident they have the right person. People need to understand that one statement made by the defence means nothing until both sides have presented their case.

If it seemed stronger, and now it’s weaker that is falling apart.

This is exactly how they found the golden state killer and he was convicted I don't think that it will matter where they got the dna profile match... A match is a match and they've solved other crimes through DNA genealogy... You've been living under a rock

He had plenty of time to get rid of evidence

@@Mimisheila21 Get rid of which evidence, how?

@@Mimisheila21She just explained if he tried to clean, it would leave a trace so that forensics could report it.

@@quokka_11Exactly… I’m really struggling with how this could be possible. Implications are HUGE!

There is an eyewitness. He’s toast.

I have also been saying from the start that this is not just cut and dry. A ruthless killer with a bushy brow that can overpower 2 people at one time and then walks past (i.m.o. liar liar pants on fire) without killing or threating her.... also why are they taking so long to send the discovery, if they have DNA open shut.

​@@kimoandrews5802😅😅😂

if he wasnt guilty he wouldnt have been keeping his dna out of his garbage ... i mean..... that says it all.

A victim's ID was found in his car. As good as their DNA in my opinion. He took a trophy.

So you're saying that this just doesn't happen often as a defense for Kohberger but then indicate maybe it was an angry neighbour? That's not common either for a neighbour annoyed by the noise to stab 4 people to death viciously.

I guess you're unfamillar with Ted Bundy. He had no connection to his victims

I still feel that chef neighbor guy gives me the creeps.

Rather a stretch, to think a neighbour would be so unstable, as to kill four people due to a noise complaint !

@@candysmith8724 Definitely...but that doesn't make him a killer.

If exonerated he definitely will be a 'pariah' . But I'm guessing he might become a very rich 'pariah'. The list is long of those who have already convicted him. (Dateline, Nancy Grace, Ashleigh Banfield, Jennifer Coffindaffer to name only a few).

I am leaning heavily towards not guilty with our current information. I was already on the fence as is. If the state doesn't have something massive, this case is over.

They are seeking to compel the genetic genealogy which is different than the forensic analysis of the car. The State's discovery responses indicate they've already produced reports detailing the analysis of the car and given the defense access to it for their own investigation.

The state has turned over the Forensic Analysis of BKs car home office and parents house. I have the screenshots

@@aburkhartlawHmm. Interesting I’m not convinced however this is as fatal to the states case as the defense is portraying here. A little confused as to why you’re saying there’s zero evidence to connect Kohberger to the victims on his devices -since it’s my understanding-yes rumors only- that there’s been quite a bit of connection between Kohberger & a victim or 2. We just don’t know what that is yet. Or if it’s true due to the gag order. My only point is I don’t think we can assume it’s a fact there’s no connection As to his cell pings -while I do agree it’s circumstantial-the early morning hours of Kohberger’s cell pinging near the victims house and the repeated times it was found near victims house -is pretty darn strong circumstantial evidence to me. In the end it will always be the evidence put forth at trial and the totality of the evidence. I’m just not convinced by the arguments I’ve been hearing that the states case is in a dire state

@@cateellington4081 Andrea's not saying there's no connection. She's reading the defence statement that expresses that, based on what the prosecution has offered. Also, where did you come up with the connection between Kohberger and victims? Everyone's waiting for that revelation. None has been offered other than rumour.

@@cateellington4081 The cell phone pings bother me because I think many people don't understand just how small a town Moscow is. I only have a vague idea where the house was located - if I were in Moscow today I would have to look at a map to figure out how to get to it. But I would bet my cell phone has probably pinged off those same towers because I've been to the college campus, I have been by the botanical gardens (great walking/jogging paths) and I have driven through town on Hwy 95. I think anyone who has been any of those places also probably pinged off those same towers. Maybe there's GPS from his phone that places him at the house - but it doesn't sound like there is.

Yet he's dumb enough to make all the mistakes people are claiming he's making

Well actually the victim has no connection to the killer, the killer has a connection to the victim but it might not be apparent. He chose that victim thus he has a connection.

Andrea's definately sharp!

I love her too….so clear and concise. Who else do you watch?

her opinions are not factual.

@@Asidebar neither are yours, so there's that.

You could use "Javert" - derived from the character of Inspector Javert from Les Miserables. He is the trope-namer, as the kids say. "Javertian" is the adjectival form, but that's a lot for most audiences.

@@jeffrey.p.thornton I like it. It's actually kind of perfect, but also horribly unfortunate as a word, the anglo suffix forcing you to pronounce a 't' that was never meant to be.

Yeah, they are called prosecutors.

Right, if the state will go so far as to arrest for this quadruple homicide, they should at least have strong, uncompromising evidence to show. There should be no need to hide it!

Everyone is someone else's weirdo...😂❤

In this area of the case, it may be the feds (not the state)?

Regardless of what agency, how can one be accused of a crime and denied access to evidence that'll be used to convince the jury to try and convict them? I had no idea the system was like this, to me, it's not the proper form of extracting justice .

That happens around here all of the time.

That made me think about Daylight Savings Time ending on Sunday Nov. 6 (one week before the tragedy), and that Moscow, ID follows Pacific ST while Boise, ID follows Mountain ST (one hour ahead), maybe a mix-up with time and signals from two or three towers happened that weekend.

@cheriatkins8378 the question is did they ever keep an open mind that any of the locals were involved? Because they quickly as in between 1-3 days certainly cleared all the "usual suspects" any other competent LE agency in the country would have looked at hard and long and possibly named POIs - namely the ex-boyfriend who 2 of the victims tried 10x's to reach shortly before the crimes and all those known to have been the last to see the victims alive. I believe what happened here is BK somehow came on their radar, this guy very different than your ususal guy running around Moscow/Pullman with 0 ties to the community, that's who became their primary focus - if they ever kept an open mind that it could have been anyone from within their community. Which of course would not look good for parents looking for a safe community to send their 17 year old incoming freshmen to school at.

Jd did dna even kaylees patents got him to strip down and checked his body for scratches etc there was none no doubt the police did the same he went tovthe police straight away

@@commercialzone4141 Maybe, but if the DNA on the sheath is proven to be his, I’m not sure any of that will matter.

@@teskejon Do you even know what Touch DNA is? Maybe look up the studies and court rulings throwing touch DNA out as unreliable before you sign BK's dea@th warrant.

@@teskejonlike the defense says in the objection, this assumes BK put the sheath (with the DNA) there. Also, as a former defense atty, I’d point out that the sheath is not the same as the murder weapon - the prosecution has a lot of linking to do and right now it’s looking highly circumstantial

Indiana?

@lesliethatsme2903 I Agree, everything changed including the car and timeline to fit around Bryan.

Idaho

Simple typo

@@danidragonfly Oops! I'm confusing the homicidal maniacs (allegedly). Thanks for catching that 😊

Unfortunately, because has has been charged, he likely has little chance at a defo claim. Kyle Rittenhouse is seeing similar issues.

Not necessarily. They were relying on info from police and as such, media has a good defense and pretty solid protection. When it is defamation is when they knowingly publish fake or factually inaccurate info with malice. You can only blame folks for publishing stuff they knew about and not what they were relying on law enforcement to tell them.

@@stephjezo6470as long as he’s a suspect or charged with the crime they are allowed to report the news so defamation would be a hard win, unless he’s found not guilty and they continue to report on him as if he was guilty or claiming he’s a murderer then there’s the possibility of a defamation win

considering the media is centered around printing whatever they possibly can, ESPECIALLY when it comes to trials in progress, i would think theyre fairly experienced with getting around being sued for defamation

I agree with the other commenters. I would add that malicious intent typically needs to be proven in many/most states and would be difficult for the reasons everyone else has stated.

Bingo... Which is why it's pretty likely they have the guilty guy. The problem is that they used an unwarranted DNA database like 23 and me or ancestry or something to find him.

I like to know what is going on with the Scorpion Unit

You don’t know what evidence they DO have yet so you can’t really say what you would find him. The evidence was enough for a grand jury to indict him so let’s just wait and see.

You do realize we haven't heard the State's case yet, right?

This doesnt prove his innocence, it just means the prosecution has some explaining to do

@@masterkni666 "This doesn't prove his innocence" is perhaps not the best phrasing, but you do have a good point. The defense is asking for the prosecution to disclose evidence, not asserting that evidence doesn't exist. (They've only asserted that if evidence exist, ~none of it has been disclosed)

@@delta3244 courts are set up to prove guilt by revealing facts, This prosecutor can't produce Discovery Materials. Courts never announce 'Innocence'. Just 'Guilty' or 'Not Guilty' Never 'innocence'. Get a good tort lawyer Cleanberger!!!

So why did they say that there is 1 In 5.37 cotillion chance that the DNA does not belong to BK??🤓

That’s jumping the gun a little bit. Let’s wait to see what evidence they do have before we start talking about lawsuits.

Love everything Andrea Burkhart, always great info to chew on. Thank you

​@@dianealarcon8304this was what I took from it as well (with a gag order the defense trying to put BK in a more favorable light with the public).

​@@copascribe7472That was my main takeaway as well.

The defense didn't argue that there was no DNA, though. Only that there was none of the victims' in specific locations where it would be expected.

@@delta3244Right but the defence is doing this to cause doubt, which it’s clearly done without even having all the evidence themselves. The state is yet to hand over everything they have on BK and the defence is already making bold statements about DNA. For all we know the evidence the prosecution has is compelling.

The connection to the victim on his socials we're on unsubstantiated rumours. If you saw a connection between him and the victim's on Instagram, it might have been from a fake account. Fake accounts claiming to be his have popped up since beginning of this case. He may have had a month to clean his car, but there would be evidence that he clean his car and apartment with industrial cleaners. There would be evidence that he tore out the carpets in his car to clean thoroughly. Furthermore, it would be almost impossible to get rid of every speck of DNA evidence unless you bleach bombed the car and the apartment. Even then you might miss something. The more mental cartwheels you have to make to explain this lack of evidence (he tarps the car, he had a change of clothes, we cleaned the car and the apartment without leaving a trace of that cleaning, she's a criminal mastermind excetera excetera) the more likely it is that the lack of evidence means that it was never there in the first place.

Absence of evidence is not proof of innocence.

@@lddcavalry True. But it makes it pretty hard to get a conviction. For a jury to find a defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt. They have to go on circumstantial evidence and a narrative. Harder to get a conviction. Without a conviction, the presumption of innocence afforded to an accused remains in place.

This HAD to be a really messy crime scene. If there isn't any blood evidence in his car, how is that even possible?

@@lisavalentine8877I thought that Dylan told cops 👮🏻‍♂️ that she saw a man leaving out the slider door with no clothes on ,but who knows if that’s even a true statement made by Dylan……can’t wait until the dame trial……😏

Great question. I'd like to know that too

The gag order prohibits extrajudicial statements - saying things outside of the judicial process. This filing *is* the judicial process. They are litigating the case in court, exactly as the gag order requires and the judge expects.

@@aburkhartlaw thank you for clarifying ✌️

@@aburkhartlaw Hi Andrea, I’ve been watching you for a long time. You’re definitely my favorite RU-vid Lawyer. I am going to try and give you something to think about. I hope you read this and consider it. What I’m about to say is entirely related to The Danny Masterson Trial. Firstly: I want to make something 100% clear: I went to Catholic Elementary & Catholic High School here in Omaha, Nebraska. I was baptized as a Baby in The Catholic Church, and both my parents went to Catholic Elementary & Catholic High School. I am not a Scientologist, and only really found out about Scientology during The Danny Masterson Trial. No one is DEFENDING Danny Masterson, and I truly believe it’s because of The Overwhelming NEGATIVE OPINION people have about Scientology. I’m asking you to set aside SCIENTOLOGY completely for a moment:::::::::::: ::::::::::::: I think you could work on A Supreme Court Case. During The Danny Masterson Trial, The Defense filed a motion TO STOP the Accusers from being referred to as VICTIMS during The Trial. Why? Because it’s HIGHLY PREJUDICIAL. There was NO PROOF that a Crime even took place. Yet THE JURORS heard OVER AND OVER: “VICTIM VICTIM VICTIM VICTIM.” Of course, hearing these ACCUSERS being called VICTIMS over and over and over is going to sink into their subconscious. In The Rittenhouse Trial, The Judge FORBID The Prosecutor from calling the men who attacked Rittenhouse VICTIMS. I truly believe THIS IS A SUPREME COURT CASE waiting to happen. I think you should contact Masterson’s Attorneys and tell them you can help them TAKE THIS TO THE SUPREME COURT. No ACCUSER should be ALLOWED to call themselves VICTIMS during a TRIAL, especially when THERE IS NO PROOF A CRIME EVEN OCCURRED. This can apply to many trials. This is THE SAME REASON A DEFENDANT IS NOT WEARING AN ORANGE JUMPSUIT IN FRONT OF THE JURY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE THE IMPRESSION THE DEFENDANT IS GUILTY AND NEEDS TO BE LOCKED UP. :::::::::::::::::: Please Know: I believe Danny Masterson is Not Guilty. In the second trial, the Prosecutors were allowed by The Judge to say over and over and over that Danny drugged these women. There is absolutely, positively NO PROOF of this, yet they were able to claim it. The Guilty Verdict of Danny Masterson IS A TIPPING POINT for these types of cases. The alleged events took place in 2001 and 2003, and the prosecution had ZERO physical evidence. This should have never even gone to trial. One of the accusers filed a police report back in 2004, and in the report, she never once mentioned being threatened with a gun. Then, in 2016, she claimed Masterson threatened her with a gun. This DETAIL was to “match” another accuser, who claimed he threatened her with a gun. She obviously made it up. At any rate, I truly believe No One is Defending Masterson because of The Scientology Angle. I think Scientology should be set aside, and The Facts of the case should be looked at.

It's always 88% more weirdness when you've got 100% Corruptness. next case. Free the Cleanberger.

The only thing I can come up with is that whatever was really going on..... it's more important for them to hide it than it is for them to not ruin an innocent man's entire life. So, it's something big. Especially since it will be found out in the end anyway and they still chose this.

​@@tigerlily8866😂 it's doubtful that he isn't guilty of this crime. It's not about letting an innocent man hang for what theyve done. It's figuring out how to convict a guilty guy after they improperly figured out who he was from citizens private DNA information.

Amanda Knox is a great example of this.

​@aburkhartlaw are there any legit reasons a state prosecutor's office would motion to keep these details from the defense? I thought that would be a Brady violation.

​@@glorydays6442is she now?

If being quiet, weird, socially awkward and possibly autistic means that you are guilty then that describes every academic I have ever met lol.

@@Dave-jm3zf indeed. And I speak as an autistic person, myself. I have no idea about Kohberg's guilt here, I but it is possible that he's just someone who does weird but not illegal things. Those people often get pounced on by police. I just hope this is fair and they convict correctly, whomever that may be

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of course. but Andrea doesn't think there is any reasonable explanation. go figure.

So you're going to drive around with plastic wrap whining the interior of your vehicle at an hour when cops are already suspicious of vehicles on the road? Or he just rolled up in front of her house and lined his car with plastic and walked in covered in a tyvek suit with booties on? Please. The timeline for these murders is so tight, obvious explanation to me is that someone was already in the house before they came home.

We’re long overdue for it. I agree with this.

My favourite is "look at his eyes they are evil you can tell he did it"

@@Dave-jm3zf right??? Or “he has dead eyes!”

I don’t get that statement either. “…Leading to the conclusion that the profiles do not belong to Mr Kohberger..” huh??? I’m so confused by that one.

Exactly

They also have where he returned back to the house (probably when he realized he couldn’t find the sheath) but turned around and left.

To my knowledge, determining location through cell phone ping records in that area is not precise enough to guarentee he was in Moscow. The language around the pings in the SPC was that they didn't exclude him from being at the scene of the crime, not that they demonstrated he was there.

​@@delta3244Same make/model of vehicle shown on cameras before the incident

@@kellielynn9637 First, the identified make/model has changed, which gives me little confidence that the identification is precise outside of color and general shape of vehicle. Second, for (almost) any given vehicle, there exist many others that look quite similar. Considering that weeks passed before arrest & the accused was in a different state than the incident, the number of people which the cameras don't exclude (if we assume the vehicle belongs to the culprit) is going to be reasonably large. Those two pieces certainly make the accused a reasonable suspect, but they don't prove he was at the crime scene.

Murdough's case one of the jurors was interviewed and he said that they did not review the evidence, that juror clearly stated that he made the decision because he did not believe AM's tears. Horrible and frightening on the part of that juror.