BUCKSHOT THROUGH A RIFLED CHOKE?

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What happens when you shoot buckshot through a rifled choke tube?
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@franks3509 4 года назад

You have to respect this man for his skill. His humble nature & honesty is a bonus.

@brianduffy5193 11 месяцев назад

👏👏👏👏

@taofledermaus 4 года назад

I expected a crazy spread with the rifled choke. The bullet-type sabot slugs... we didn't get any stability with a rifled choke, but it would still be interesting if you can try it.

@paulstan9828 4 года назад

I wish you and. Buffalo could get together for a few videos that would be fun. 😁

@R32R38 4 года назад

A fully rifled barrel will produce a huge spread, at least with birdshot and I presume buckshot too, so the rifled choke probably isn't long enough to have the same effect.

@beeleo 3 года назад

If only someone's channel had a high-speed camera to see how buckshot looked though a smooth choke and a rifled choke...

@boomerrangerron 3 года назад

I too watch your channel and am impressed with what you and Officer Greg produce, but I have to tell you that my experiences with both factory Foster slugs and custom loads using BPI's Thug Slugs and DGS (Dangerous Game Slugs), I get much better accuracy using a rifled choke tube! I'm shooting a J C HIGGINS Model 20 which has a pinned barrel and it's accurate out to 50 yards.

@spencerhoff7373 3 года назад

Did anyone notice, although spread is what we were mostly comparing here, that the patterns on the rifled chokes appear to be more circular like an opening flower versus the more random pattern from the smooth cylinder bore choke? Very interesting for sure

@p.williamfox6417 11 месяцев назад

Yes, that really surprised me!

@fyisense9312 4 года назад

Thankfully, a Buffalo video to break up these crazy times.

@jameschristiansson3137 4 года назад

True that

@FonzG 2 года назад

12 years military 3 years LE, I'm really into guntuber videos and its honestly very refreshing to see a guy do a test/education with no BS, no bluster, no posturing, no bragging, no pissing contest, no cringey attention seeking douchery. just straight to the point, let physics do the rest. Respect.

@billeddleman531 3 года назад

Very interesting results and counterintuitive to what one would expect. A real eye opener for me.

@jamesstewart9970 2 года назад

This is extremely relevant information and I appreciate you taking the time to make this video as it indicates that for someone using a tactical style shotgun where you can change the choke tubes, you’d really be no worse off intentionally leaving the rifled choke in for home defense where you’d primarily be using buckshot without drastically increasing your pattern from a cylinder choke however if the fight managed to move outdoors you’d also have a drastic increase in accuracy when switching to slugs.

@TheCelestialWolf 6 месяцев назад

Just be sure to pattern your particular shotgun. Shotguns are individuals, even two examples of the same make and model can throw radically different patterns with a particular load.

@TargetSuite 4 года назад

Another great video! The results fooled me completely. Thanks!

@keithbreuer7355 4 года назад

I really respect and appreciate the work you do. God Bless

@p.williamfox6417 11 месяцев назад

What really surprised me is the uniformity of the patterns out the rifled choke tube. I never expected that at all.

@paststeve1 4 года назад

Those results surprised me a little. Thanks for another very interesting video!

@scotkaneff7614 4 года назад

Hi Buffalo, Being I'm a fan of Federal Flight control, it would be interesting to see what it would do in the rifled tube. Have a great day!!!

@jacobmccandles1767 3 года назад

WOW! I know I said this before, but I would NEVER have seen that coming!

@DestroBB 4 года назад

Great information! I always assumed that the rifled choke would open up patterns way more than that. Very cool. Thank you!

@lukedog7028 4 года назад

I would of lost money on that experiment

@DestroBB 4 года назад

@@lukedog7028 Me too. I was assuming that at 20 yards the rifled choke would barely find any hits on paper. This weekend I'm going to try this out to see if I get similar results.

@JJGuccione 4 месяца назад

I appreciate VDOs • Your in my top 3. Too many comedians. You stay on point and give straightforward analysis. Thank You.

@Dmoonj264 4 года назад

Thank you, good to know. God be with you.

@mjc4942 Год назад

I watched the video you mentioned about slugs in rifled choke tube V. Smooth tube. I've been wondering how much difference barrel length makes. Say 20in slug barrel V. 28in. Maybe with or without rifled choke tube. I think there's confusion. People think week you gotta use that short slug barrel to hunt deer. A few guys like you have shown I don't need a rifled shot gun and $$sabot slugs. Thanks!

@QuietMikeW 4 года назад

I’m thinking that when the the shot cup hits the rifling it just shreds off some plastic and does not really spin the load, and that’s why they’re so similar.

@wisewhiterabbit 3 года назад

I'm betting the shot cup us spinning but the load is sitting stationary. Think like a torque converter

@saleembarmania5295 8 месяцев назад

How's buck shot through a turkey choke? Number 4 probably ok but 000 might be a problem?

@paraskevastsiamoulis3173 Год назад

Which could be the difference using federal flight control 9 pellets buckshots??

@rdt417 4 года назад

Thanks for the real world comparison... Your work is excemplitory. As my daddy would say!!!

@000Ephyx000 5 месяцев назад

Straight to the point. No “Brought to you by” BS. Subscribed. 👍🏻👍🏻

@ireland_love_life 2 года назад

Could you shoot 7 1/2 through it for skeet?? Thanks ☘️😎

@Walter-wo5sz 9 месяцев назад

I guess this proves you have to pattern your own gun and not make assumptions.

@jeffryrichardson9105 4 года назад

What about a cut shell? Great video again! 👍🏾😀❤️🇺🇸

@rippertrain 4 года назад

Great vid thumbs up. Still jelly of your yard Edit : what i meant to say is your yard is still looking awesome

@randyl6699 9 месяцев назад

The guy at my local gun store told me I could use a rifled choke tube in my smooth bore barrel and shoot sabot slugs and get the same results as someone using a rifled barrel. Is this true??

@30rdmaga 7 месяцев назад

From what I've seen it's not enough to stabilize them only using the rifles choke.

@erichutchins4763 2 года назад

How about some turkey loads?

@bsh668 4 года назад

Good video. We had the opposite experience with a fully rifled HR 12ga Slug gun. Past 10yds we couldn't get any pellets on a B21 size torso target.

@stephenmurata Год назад

How about cut shells or wax slugs?

@carmanvw День назад

Looks like that shotgun does not recoil much. Are you doing something special to reduce that recoil? That might be a good video!

@stonegiant4 4 года назад

Appreciate it. I've got a rifled choke that I've not had the chance use. Settled my curiosity. Thx

@ponthis1 4 года назад

I wonder how the duplex rounds would spread out. They always seemed to be very choke picky for me over the years... I never shot one through a rifled choke though.

@paulobritojr 4 года назад

Sabot please! I'm wacthing you from Brazil. Smoth bore and sabot i can hit 200 mtrs without scope.

@tjhawg 4 года назад

How does a rifled choke perform with various loads in comparison to a fully rifled shotgun barrel?

@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 4 года назад

Awesome video, I was really surprised at the results of this testing.

@merlinwilliams9286 2 месяца назад

Ever consider that a shotgun is just a really fast machine gun on burst fire? 9 shots per burst, 1/2 seconds per burst. Somewhere around 1000 rounds per minute?

@MapSyncSync 3 месяца назад

So methodical, clear, and concise. Bravo! I'd like to hypothesize (ok, 'guess', without really knowing what I'm talking about) that the rifling isn't doing much to spread the shot because the shot doesn't have much contact with the rifling. I've read that shot only grazes the sides of the barrel, with little force, as it moves up the barrel.

@bobbyfellerd2993 3 года назад

ME: a NON shotgun owner NOW, but SO YOU CAN use a flush and a extended choke tube on the same shotgun - SEEN IT HERE for the first time, might be a BASIC shotgun question-they think you should know or they only answer EXPERT questions every where I look SO ITS POSSIBLE Reg/extended tube on same gun OR AM I WRONG any replies will be useful--gonna get buy my first Shotgun in the near future

@chris3383 4 года назад

do you think theres a off chance that when the wad touches the rifling in the chock tube that it slows down just enough the pellets get in front of the wad ...and dont spin with the wad ??

@4d4Spl 4 года назад

I like the way you think! It also could be that the pellets 'slip' in the cup and don't spin with it. Without an internal high speed camera, we'll never know. lol

@chrisgabbert658 4 года назад

Frank deluca well it improved the accuracy of slugs.

@davidmartin1015 17 дней назад

Personally I am not greatly surprised by those results, as I suspect that the bore diameter of the rifled choke is fairly tight. We call those pellets SGs here in Oz,I have used them on pigs but am not a great fan ; there is a lot of empty spaces between the pellets at even 20 yards IMO. Interesting to see the test results though.

@skookapalooza2016 3 года назад

I can tell this is going to be a great channel.

@paulstan9828 4 года назад

Always interesting thanks Buffalo!

@Kinetic.44 10 месяцев назад

I thought the pattern would have a more pronounced doughnut shape at the longer distance. PLEASE try a Buck and Ball load or Winchester PDX1 defender with the 1 oz slug and three 00 pellets with the rifled choke!

@jimthompson3030 3 года назад

when i was very young afarmer would ride his 450 lb.er with a pony saddle in central Pa. no joke!!!! about 1953 to 1958...

@redfaux74 Год назад

I have to be honest. I thought this was going to be a dumb video. I made some assumptions and they were completely wrong. Good video. ❤️ There is an obvious spin in the buck shot tho. If you look at a picture of the universe you can see it in this spread. It's like a swirl with 2 arms. That's interesting. There is some science there I'm sure. Something exact and measurable. And thank you for dissecting the shell. That helps my geek self understand more.

@bravo9890 2 года назад

Good to know info! Scientific no BS good video

@HenauderTitzauf 4 года назад

This is a very interesting vlog. Thank you for taking the time and effort putting it together. I’ll give you a subscription and a high five. Now, I’ll quit worrying if my 00 bucks are going on a sight seeing tour out of a rifled choke. This is a great vlog, try this with a 410 bore, please!

@konstantinoskaradimas4405 Год назад

Vwry interesting videos with the rifled choke. You should test also the 10 pellet 000 buckshot. They don't fit inside the wad. So is it going to be effected from the rifles?

@johnnymccann5607 3 года назад

As always I learn new things when possible and today is no exception . buck shot has never been my deer hunting ammunition but many deer are taken by generations of hunters . for me it’s slugs all the way. I don’t knock buck shot but for self defense I personally no of 6-7 each people who were shot with buck shot and lived to tell about it. but never heard of a single case of survivors from slugs to the human vital area. for shot gun self defense iam still debating. looking for if possible the perfect defense load . as ammunition such as it is I will use what I could find available. nana and papa aka the hunter wishing you well.

@alanwood7373 Год назад

Can any one help me? I've been trying to buy a rifle choke for my benelli m2, can't get one here in the UK. Anyone suggest who may stock or ship to me. Thanks

@ramilmusaev1529 Год назад

Hello dude,i have a question, i have stoeger m3500 so i'd like to buy rifled choke tube so can you witch one is better?

@gizmocarr3093 4 года назад

It would be interesting to see a comparison of waterfowl shotgun shells used for hunting both ducks and geese size targets. You would not necessarily have to compare them with a rifled choke tube. But; in the future it would be great see this subject explored. There is a great book on the subject; written by Bob Brister called "Shotgunning The Art and the Science". I know you would enjoy reading it because it is hard to put down; once you start reading it. The book has lots of good information and testing data on shotguns and shotgun shells.

@anthonyperotti151 3 года назад

Is the shot cup a solid cup or separated like a birdshot shotcup? Thinking if it’s solid it would perform similar to flight control wads. whereas the shot remains in the cup for a long period of time and less susceptible to the spin it would if the shotcup separated upon leaving the muzzle and releasing the shot immediately? Just wondering

@johnauberry1500 3 года назад

I looked through your videos. Did you ever do this with bird shot? I would like to get two for my Cz SXS to make a poor mans Paradox gun.

@JimYeats 4 года назад

0:00 Pirates union! Aaaaarrrgh.

@stevedouglas5443 3 года назад

I'm not trying to be contradictive, but I get the best circular patterns with my modified. Better than my mossberg cylinder bore.

@garigorgodze1219 4 года назад

This test is not useful. You should throw buckshot list 40 + yards. Deer will not come 5 yards from you. 🤔

@reelfishing002 3 года назад

I wonder if you had use a full length rifle barrel , it would give more SPING to the bbs and spread the shot more when it leave the muzzle , compare to a short barrel tip

@1016scott1 4 месяца назад

I have the same Beretta shotgun you have. 2 questions. Have you been able to find a way to shoot a 22 mag with this gun? what choke is the tightest for small game hunting?

@kentwilliams4152 3 года назад

Hey Buffalo, how about testing Brenneke slugs from cylinder bore vs the rifled choke tube?

@davidpate2237 Год назад

Great video I am a new shooter want to go turkey hunting and also deer hunting. Just want a Maverick 88 would like to know what show do you recommend for it

@oakland002 7 месяцев назад

Of course each shot of buck or bird shots will be different .. but it’s good general info

@murrayandru7527 Год назад

Hey Mr. B. I remind you to grease the threads on your choke tubes .. Make for easy removal . FYI

@Ruteger100 4 года назад

Informative and entertaining. Thanks once again buffalo.

@jimthompson3030 3 года назад

the these 12 gau. guns slugs are very very hard hitters on both ends with high brass shells not for wimps!!!!! wonderful shows thank you

@boristchagachbanian9921 Год назад

the choke does not run the full length of the barrel, as a dispersant barrel would, so the pattern is not affected as much but nevertheless more regular, thank you for your good videos

@hulado 3 года назад

lol. here i go. is it possible that the shot doesn't have time to "aggregate" in the short choke like it would in a fully rifled barrel? seen videos of bird-shot through rifled barrels leaving an almost barren center on the target.

@TheRabbit91476 Месяц назад

This is 2024 can we accept the fact that no one watching Thor phone is going to be shot if he doesn’t unload and show clear

@outdoorfreedom9778 2 года назад

I expected a much bigger difference! Wrong again! Thanks for the test!!

@bcbloc02 4 года назад

How does it do with spit balls? :-)

@scottf.3808 4 года назад

Some good results as very interesting on this one....Good stuff....

@martinestrada3960 2 года назад

Búfalo ay think the reloading en those cartridges are not good ay reloading may better than the using hotter Teekniks

@sakic1519 2 года назад

Good video. Straight to the point. Love it

@tonykirby9574 2 года назад

Buffalo, what happens if you fire a shell without a choke installed in end of barrel in a threaded barrel?

@Rot05 2 года назад

I wonder if birdshot would have the same results. Would it make shooting skeet easier or harder?

@SirBoden 3 года назад

Makes sense, the shot is loose in the cup. When the rifling spins the cup the shot isn’t really effected.

@chrisgabbert658 4 года назад

With the cylinder choke to rifled choke surprised not much but do with a full choke to rifled their be more .

@escott3829 3 года назад

Man Thanks.. I Am Going To Rifled Choke And Was Wondering

@copper927 2 года назад

I'd like to see what the federal flight control 00 buck would do with this same test.

@rustyshahan935 4 года назад

That’s pretty interesting stuff. Thanks for the video.

@dalereed3442 4 года назад

Your videos are always entertaining and informative...thank you

@DinoNucci 4 года назад

RoaR

@ThePatriotParadox 2 года назад

So with buckshot a rifled choke isn't necessary

@michaelsanchez8457 4 года назад

I wonder if the threaded choke is almost acting like the chokes that slow down the wad, without a constriction. Maybe it's just interacting with the plastic. You could follow up by hot gluing the pellets together, and see if you get slug accuracy, which you probably wouldn't I think. Or, you could try the old cut shell trick, if you think it is safe. Maybe you could get good 50 yard accuracy out of a cut shell with a threaded choke.

@krm944 4 года назад

That’s my thought- as the shot goes through the forcing cone it stays in the cup and gets the minor constriction- once the shot cup hits the rifling it slows just enough to allow the shot to pull away and leave the shot cup just behind....

@kevinroberts781 3 года назад

Shoot ice slugs. I use them during the winter. Just pure water.

@miserylovesshotguns 4 года назад

I'm surprised there wasn't much of a difference. I expected it was going to make a huge pattern with the rifled choke.

@vadimgor1061 Год назад

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@985shane 3 года назад

That is a great choke tube

@kadioglumelih 3 года назад

I dont know why I thought this but I thought " he looks like an honest man".

@Leverguns50 4 года назад

I’m guessing that because the shot are loose in the cup when it reached the rifling the cup rotated and the balls did not, and because it moved so quickly it could have caused the balls themselves to spen individually not as a group thereby making them fly straighter, I think if you shot them out of a rifle barrel they would make a pattern with a hole in the center because in this barrel they fly straight until they’re getting up to speed and then the cup rotates really quick at the end thereby not giving them time to start rotating as a group

@onlyonecannoli3952 4 года назад

That theory would require the pellets to be suspended inside the cup without actually making any contact with the interior walls. However, that's not the case. There are pellets contacting the walls of the cup and those pellets are contacting pellets in the middle. They remain inside the cup until after they leave the barrel. Consequently, they would be inclined to rotate along with the wad during its travel through the rifled choke. Moreover, the centrifugal force created by the rifling would cause the pellets to remain inside the cup slightly longer than they would normally do as the force exerted by the rotational action (ω = ω0 + αt) vectors from the center of the cup outwardly toward the walls of the cup. As the spin rate lessens and the wad slows down, the centrifugal force weakens and the pellets begin to exit the wad with their own rotational motion. It is no accident that the pellets from the rifled choke seemed to have a more concentric dispersal pattern.

@gunnwild1 4 года назад

I thought the spread would be much different as well

@kittredgejohn 3 года назад

Please provide a link to the previous video with rifled slugs

@greylocke100 4 года назад

You need to get a cardboard company to sponsor your videos

@jeffw1246 4 года назад

Very good vidio again. Just ordered a few rifled tubes for some of my field barrels for musket .690 loads. I know my defense guns can be left with rifled tubes in even with buckshot. Fiochhi is non buffered, I have Rio low recoil as well. Same load. I use #4 shot for urban defense, inside house to mitigate overpentration, think I'll see what rifled tube will do to them 10 yards and under.

@jamessotherden5909 4 года назад

Nice concise testing, Well done. I do have a box of 5 12 GA. 2 3/4 inch Winchester super X BRI sabot 50 cal. slugs I will donate ,If you wish?

@slimjim7411 4 года назад

So weird you have a anomaly of a shotgun but good on you for testing it out. That's two tests now that have come out completely opposite of what I have seen myself prior. Well I guess the old adage is true...it pays to pattern. My personal experience though has been with #4 buckshot, but still I would have expected more. And you used what I would consider a good buckshot to get maximum spread. Unlike most premium hunting buckshot that is hardened, sometimes plated, and loaded with buffer.

@ATINKERER 3 года назад

You know, I wonder if having the rifling only at the very end of the barrel spun the shot cup but didn't get a chance to spin the pellets much? You know what I mean? I think the plastic cup spun, but because the pellets are not attached to the cup in any way, the pellets only started to spin a tiny bit. I'll bet that with a fully rifled barrel you'd get dramatically different results. I going to check your channel to see if maybe you already tested buck shot out of a fully rifled barrel. If not, please try that. I sometimes keep #4 buck in a fully rifled gun for the home, and I'd like to see what to expect from that. Again, GREAT VIDEO!!!

@ricknicholson1149 4 года назад

Nice job ,I had a 16ga. Ithaca 37 with a fully rifled slug barrel that shot wild large,, donut patterns with 12 pellet 1 buck! Surprising to me also,as modern buckshot choke tubes use a wad spin arresting feature for extra tight patterns (patternmaster, buckicker etc.)I work with my 10 bores to generate super tight patterns with buckshot but also with Turkey loads thanks buddy I enjoy your show.rick nicholson,va.

@Kratos_God_of_50_BMG 4 года назад

To be honest, I've shot and carried handguns, used my Marlin 1895 (45-70) and my PTR 91 (.308) for almost 19 years, but my only exposure to shotguns was my Mossberg Maverick 88, and my Shockwave. Watching your channel has really helped me to learn stuff that I should've learned a long time ago! Thank you for the crash course big guy 👍🏽 Oh, I'll have an SDS Lynx 12ga before the weeks over, and this will be my first semiauto shotgun. The 10, 12, and 20 round mags will be an interesting first experience 😅