@@OriginalBadRobotz Something is wrong then, because this card has a TDP of 230W, if you enable RAGE mode, even higher. 3070 has a TDP of 220 aswell, so either way they would need a new PSU.
@@TekkitForTheFunOfIt small psu's have weak 12v rails for the gpu that can't supply even that. One of the PSU's I used to have, had a 750w total power, but could only supply about 300w for the gpu, prolly about 350w max, it was designed for a workstation with lots of hard drives and shit.. cause it was that era and a gpu for professional work. Never go for the max the psu can take, if it fails it may fry everything, specially cheap psu's.
Between newer CPUs and GPUs with their inherent boosting, means higher power draws do take place [and for some parts, WELL outside, of listed TDP rating]. Also longer warranty period / power efficiency improvements with higher rated PSUs Hopefully that guy could get his hands, on an appropriately powered PSU, for his rig
Ur the kinda guy that anyone could have a nice drink and chat with. That one guy in school that everyone is friendly with and has no quarrels or enemies
Again, you demonstrate how great of a human being you are for being so honest with this seller. 😇 I like to think I would have done the same, but glad I don't have to face that dilemma, personally. Oh yeah, the "talking" was great. You could do podcasts.
@@UncleMikeRetro I call Steve all tech savvy guys (because of Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed). IMO it's annoying and anti-British non-politeness that this dude never ever says "hello, I'm Steve, welcome to another video"
He puts all his actions on his channel so he has a vested interest in keeping things honest for his viewers. Not saying that's the main reason why he did it, only that it's to his benefit. But yea, I would of kept the card too 😜😜😜
Yeah, because this story is real lol. /s You lose your account for messaging outside of ebay or exchanging contact info. All we saw was a "text message". I sell on ebay all the time. I've seen it called out before from others. Others saying these stories were made up. I am now fully in line with those people. Dude makes up the most out of the world stories and just... tells them on here. THINK first. You buy a 6700XT. It doesn't work. Do you... ummm durrrrrrrr... GET A REFUND? Or sell it for half price on ebay?
@@nickpotter5153 Well, we don't know how much "the guy" supposedly paid for it. He took a huge loss selling it... "selling it"... as for parts only/not working. So, instead of RMA'ing it for a new one (even though it was fine and he "didn't know"), he decides to just sell it on ebay lol. AND break the ToS and message someone outside of ebay. Come to think of it, I'm not even sure what you mean. What do you mean why would he try and get less for it? If you bought a card and it didn't work, is your first thought to sell it on ebay or to contact whoever you bought it from and tell them it doesn't work?
@@JustAGuy85 he said he paid more than RRP for the card from the seller. So the seller sold what he thought was a faulty card for more than he purchased it for
@@nickpotter5153 How do you know what he paid for it? Did I miss something? And STILL... if you got a bad card, what would you do? Sell it for a substantially lower price on ebay than you COULD get? Or return it for a new one that you could sell for way more? It's not like this guy had the card for a year and it "stopped working." He just bought it.
A true PCMR legend, helping out the seller by offering to return the card if he fixes it (even if it's his PSU).🙏🏻 Wish everyone was so helpful & at least sold older gen cards at reasonable prices
>Wish everyone was so helpful Bruh you realize the only reason he felt "obligated" to say all that and offer to give it back is because this comment section would rip him a new one if sensitive people felt that he took advantage of another person's ignorance, right? He was just trying to preserve his public image. If it was me (or literally anyone without a channel) I would've tried to basically scam the dude for $200 for the card or even less. I assure you NO ONE would be this nice to some poor dumb bastard unless it meant looking good for an audience.
Honestly, you're such a honest, humble and genuine guy and am proud to be a subscriber! Always deliver 10/10 content and you have the most soothing voice ever! Well done for being one of the very few honest people during these ridiculous times!
I bought a Rx 5700 XT MSI Mech for 100$. The guy said it hard crashed his pc every time so he was selling it for parts. Long story short, its just got a bad factory OC, underclocked and undervolted it a tiny bit and it works perfect.
I bought a RX 6700 XT a few weeks ago. It is a good example that you have to have a case and cooling to go along with it. I put the card in my mid-tower case. I started to run games and the GPU was hitting 80c, but junction temps were toward 110c. I am an engineer, an worked on electronic products for 18 years. A lot of components were rated at 104c for highest temp before problems. So I looked at the case. I added one fan. Put all fans directly to the power supply molex plugs. The mainboard fan connectors were to slow for cooling the case. So I have 3 fans air intake, and two fans air exhaust (including power supply). There are grills in the case the intake air can also escape by pressure differential. I set the Graphics card fan profile to on early at 60c to get ahead of GPU, and Junction temps early. The card fans hit a steady 2600 - 2900 rpm and keep the junction temperature down between 80c - 90c. The GPU runs about 65c, and the CPU 70 - 75 c. I happy with this level, and I don't smell heat, like to hot anywhere in the case. At 1440p this card performs well, about 120 - 200 fps depending on the Battlefield games I am playing............Update: With all the playing around on the cooling, I finally figured out that if I cap the FPS at about 100 FPS, the card runs cooler 65 - 75c with the fan speeds turned down. On the AsRock motherboard bios you can custom set you fan speeds according to temperature of MB or CPU. Other motherboards may have this also. But I hooked my fans back up top the motherboard connectors and everything is COOLER. Especially when you are not playing games.
Years ago me and a friend of mine bought the same ATI GPU on the same day. After a few months his started to crash the system but mine was fine. I had a Corsair HX520W and he had a no name 600W. I told him it was his PSU but he wouldn't have it. He swore it was the GPU and asked me what he should swap it for as it was still under warranty. So I chose a newer but cheaper and less power hungry Nvidia card. The store was quite happy to swap it because it was a cheaper card and it worked fine in his system. Well over a decade later, if we ever talk about that he still swears it was the GPU, so I just let him babble on ...
I have seen a few of your videos and you come across as an honorable fellow and have thus earned my sub and like. I like your honesty and that you kept your word to the seller of the 6700XT while at the same time warning him of another potential pitfall with the underpowered PSU. 👍🏼
I have upgraded my 650W 80+ Gold PSU to an 850W 80+ Gold unit. 650W with a rx 5700XT and now the 850W one with a gtx 960 + 10700k OC. Pretty sad that nothing is aviable for fair prices
There are more issues with the litepower 450 beyond just the wattage, the most obvious among them being group regulation; regulating the 12V and 5V line on the same coil means that as one of those voltages gets drawn too much, the other tends to fail. With modern graphics cards, the line *will* get drawn too much thanks to the ever increasing power demands. Honestly it's no wonder that it failed under a 6700XT, and the system crashing seems like a best-case scenario. OCP on these cheap units is never great, so it's not a good idea to rely on it to save you.
Proves once again (as if it needs proving) that this channel really has budget (and first-time) builders at heart as much as, if not more than, budget builds. And the way you put the basics over with understanding and sympathy for people coming into PC building is the best on RU-vid.
youve been blessed by the universe to get that i respect that you message the seller back and explained it was thier power supply, alot of people, especially right now would have just took the working card without a second thought the fact you offered it back aswell is unreliably respectful, i dont even know if id be able to do that
Interesting. I have always used beefy cpu's and graphics cards which suck a lot of power with a couple exceptions. High watt capacity and well made psu's are the parts I try to invest in. Nice of you to help the guy track down the issue with his build.
Been looking of getting an rx 6700 xt for myself for several weeks now. There seem to be plenty in stock in local shops, but still like 1.75x-2x above MSRP (rtx 3060 ti is like 2.5x MSRP). At least you can buy one. I think it's in part to the mining performance, being weaker than an RTX 3060 ti or even the "old" rx 5700 xt. Hopefully the prices will come down sometime if they keep getting stock.
Always good to check the +12V x Amps value on a PSU too. Ideally it matches the Wattage rating of the PSU (or exceeds with multi-rail PSU's) but -50W is acceptable for me. Just you get some PSU's that say '600W', but the +12V x A = 335W or something. Generally these aren't 80+ rated either, although there are some reliable 'true-wattage' PSU's out there with only an 80+ white rating. It does come down to experience but i guess just use your noggin and logic with every part you buy, ask questions either from seller or a friend with experience.
@@FG-td4vs what kind of black magic did you have to do for that?? I've been trying for months and I've had no luck. At this rate, I'm about to drive like 8 hours to the Microcenter in California to get my hands on a new GPU.
Awesome! You lucked out there with the gpu! I think you were correct with the psu! A 450w is certainly not enough for a high end graphics card like that. Entertaining as usual, looking forward to see Bob here.
@@Dusk007 not for the power draw spikes under load. If you buy a power supply for your average or even high load, you're making a mistake - your power supply must manage to keep up with huge, even if they're short, spikes in power draw. So even if you don't reach that 450W limit during normal operation, the spikes WILL inevitably go above 450W, which is out of spec for the PSU.
Really nice of you for trying to give the card back, other people wouldn't have been this honest with the seller, especially in the times we're living right now. In Romania, videocards are available, but they are extremely expensive. An RTX 3090 goes for the equivalent of 3000 or 4000 Euro's. RTX 3080 goes from 2000 Euro's and up. I saw an RX 6700 XT going for almost 1500 Euro's.
The moment you mentioned that the card has cutouts, I spontaneously thought of the power supply unit. (Typical symptom / Rookie mistake of the seller...)
So that'll be my new GPU buying strategy: look for "broken" listings at lowered prices, ask the wattage of the seller's PSU, if it's below the manufacturer recommended, buy it.
A lot of the time it is just that. I got a faulty card once and it was literally caked in dust, I just cleaned it up and it was fine, that little bit of maintenance is crucial to looking after your rig.
This is why you could save a lot of money buying "faulty" graphics cards. Just make sure the seller has good feedback, is honest, and very detailed in the description. Otherwise, pass on it. If you do get a hold of an actual faulty graphics card, there's numerous ways to fix them.
The Ryzen 9 5900X that I bought was listed as "faulty", but in reality they were using a low wattage power supply on a thirsty CPU. Only paid $80 for it.
I have to say that when it comes to knew components for my PC I never think about my power supply not being able to handle it. I really would search for problems elsewhere first. But I guess it helps that I have a Corsair HX850i in my system. Anyway thanks for this informative video and again thanks for me realizing again that I will have to sit on my RX580 for at least a 8 to 12 month before I'll be able to get my hands in a newer GPU for a reasonable price...
Was reading about someone who pre-ordered i think it was an msi 3080 from overclockers back when they released, he got an email recently saying msi are not making that design of card anymore so cancelled his order. Proper piss take.
I know it's 2 years later and the prices dropped but it's about 350 euros in mmy country now, and it still seems like a very good deal, especially when I can upgrade from 1660 super and only changing the PSU (I have a 10400f with seems to be perfect bottleneck wise for the 6700xt)
This is late, but I had great luck in getting the 6700xt at MSRP. I bought one from a RU-vidr on their discord, for the MSRP prices after sales tax, I'm so excited for it 😊 It's coming on Thursday!!! Pairing my i5 10400 PC with the 6700xt would be a massive upgrade from my last build. Which had a Ryzen 5 1600, and RX 580.
I'm in The States, seen a few $29.95 450 watt PSU's & thought about gettin' one for a build. after watching this I'll never get one that's under 600. Thanks again for another great video.
I was also trying on the day to get a 6700xt but had the same issue. apparently scan had them up before 1pm according to some people who got them form there. Been trying to get anything from a 590 to 5500xt now on ebay as idk how long my 480 will last but having much luck! Also been loving your content recently and can't wait to see what you make next!!
just check this cards price on amazon, the only place that ships where i live. Just the shipping and importation is almost the MSRP of the same card.... I cant believe anyone would pay 1200USD for a 6700XT
There was a time when i purchased a RX580 8GB for $200 circa 2019. And sold it for 250, now a days it goes for around 900ish, Good for you you got a 6700XT for such a cheap price xD
I managed to get a 6700xt for a "reasonable" price, brand new, sealed in the box. Boom, driver timeout errors, nothing works. Hoping warranty will sort it out. Thank you XFX for some awesome quality control there.
This person probably just walked into a local, smaller computer store and asked to reserve one of the GPUs when it came in. We did that local to me for the 3060ti, literally had one two weeks after launch. Was waaay easier then expected.
That is the big problem with budget ebay sellers. They sell you under powered PSUs. I actually saw 3900x with a 3060 and 500w power supply. Even the Manufacturer specs that build at a minimum of 550W and recommends 600W+. I wouldn't build a PC with less than 700-800W if I was gonna put a GPU in. 500W is fine for a i3-i5 with iGPU but not when you are adding a 105-125W CPU (that is base clock usage) and 200-300W GPU. Just your Case/cooling fans will use another 25W and you still have Motherboard, ram, ssd and you will quickly go over that 500W. Any power spike will cause a big draw on the PSU and the voltage drops like a rock. That is why I think, so many people had problems with the last gen of AMD cards. Putting under powered PSUs in an overclocked PC was really popular back then.
you should do a video with last gen to older cpus comparing the 6700xt and 3070 to see the differences based on overhead... kinda like what hardware unboxed did
I had a hunch of what the issue was as soon as You said what the problem was. I got lucky on the AMD website and I have an RX 6700 XT on the way. More than I wanted to pay but I know I'm going to keep this thing for a very long time.
I like ebay for those "non working" items, like SSD that are RAW and needs formatting to appear, my best purchase was a used 17 inch laptop with faulty nvidia card, turns out it was a bios issue (initial bios had a bug which wouldn't start the nvidia card), flashing the new one fixed it. Still a gamble most of the time, but it's great when it works
sounds similar to what ive experienced lately. An "Acquaintance" of mine gets a hold of me, offers me a PC for 1000 Usd, R7 3800x - EVGA Rtx 3080 xc3 ultra - x570 crosshair 8 hero mobo... PowerSpec (microcenter in house brand) PSU... I was hesitant at first due to the sheer cost of the build i was looking at online. Part shortages aside, its still and expensive build to offload for 1k usd ....and usually too good to be true is... I later had a couple black screen crashes where the computer was restarting but only when the gpu hit over 80% Uti. I swapped the Powerspec 850 out for an EVGA 850 Gold rated and havent had an issue one since. Best investment ever lmao.
Wow, you found a gpu! Good job man! I did find a gpu myself, a rx5500xt 4gb :p But mine was way overpricrd compared to msrp...but stil close to the normal prices from before the crysis
I had the same issue in not being able to get a card - I bought this puppy: XFX Speedster MERC 319 AMD Radeon™ RX 6900 XT Black Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA™ 2. It cost me just over a 1100 USD, was the only card I could find. But now I do not have enough money to palce it ina PC box. I actually bought the card to help my iMac out in an eGPU Chassis.
What country are they from? If they're from New Zealand, like me, then that explains why they're able to get these new GPU's, without hassle. I mean, here in NZ, we've had stock since release. A few months ago, I bought a 5700 XT, it turned out to be faulty and overheating, I then decided I would get a 3060 Ti, after I got my money back, but I changed my mind since, for an extra $100 NZD, I could get a 3070, and I did, without any stock issues. This goes for CPU's as well.
now thats a good buyer, also giving knowledge to a guy that u just bought to, a lot of people should learn a thing or two from you, as always excellent vid
Having watched your videos since 2019 made me get a 600w 80 plus gold psu for a 1660 super and a R5 3600XT. I was asked about why I'm getting a "beast" of a psu and I told them about future-proofing my rig.
Too many times I've had to talk friends into a more capable power supply after they've gone to forums etc. and they are told..."You don't need more than X watts" I hate that...always over provision power a bit and go with quality PSUs. You spend a ton of money on the parts...the power supply feeding that system should be up to the task and not be some cheap thing.
Correct. That's a major problem I also keep hearing about with the new AMD or Nvidia graphics cards. So many people install the cards into their systems not realizing that their power supplies are nowhere near capable of handling the power requirements of the latest video cards. I do know that the review sites like to advise people to not buy PSU hardware with more power than they need, but none of the reviewers expected the GPU manufacturers to require over 750 watt power supplies when the average user has installed components that only bump up to 500 watts.
I got a Sapphire Nitro+ version they're really good gaming cards the price is a bit steep but in comparison to the rest of them it's as good as you'll get at the moment. The latest drivers really gave a boost to older direct x 11 games too. I admire your honesty as I imagine most people would've realised that and said nothing and just kept the card.
my friend is a hardware engineer for a phone insurance company he basically strips phones that come in as insurance claims to find why its broken. he is not exactly a stupid person. he recently got a i7 11700k and a 3090 he called me in a panic saying his pc would get stuck in a boot loop i got him to bring me his pc and after 20 seconds of looking i discover he sold his 1000w Coolermaster psu to help pay for the upgrade and he had replaced it with a 400w kolink psu and a 6 to two 8 pin gpu power splitter i left a dent in my desk i faceplanted so hard
Here in Australia I’ve been lucky to get Asus TUF 3090 & 3080 (took 2.3 months from opening seconds of buying to arrive) also got immediately a KF2/Galax 3070 one-click, PNY itx 3060 & Reference AMD 6700XT as well! Couple I got for friends, with a small “commission” for my looking around online, and purchased others for myself with most having either none or minimal increase of the original manufacturers MSRP/RRP plus our GST tax. These gpus now currently have a massive price increase on by retailers/ e-tailers etc going upwards of 50-100% from when I first got them!🤯
I've come across a lot of people over the years, who seem to think that power supplies don't matter. And I've seen a fair few power supplied catastrophically fail and even taking other hardware with it. And I keep telling people that a good power supply is one of the best investments you can do for the stability of a PC, but apparently, anything that doesn't directly increase performance shouldn't cost more than a few $$$.
I remember the same thing happening with an HD7990 that you bought off someone, although a 600W PSU isn't gonna satisfy that beast lol. It's the best thing when you find these type of deals and end up with a GPU for cheap. Not for the guy who sells it, but at least you educated him on fixing the mistake, so that's good on you.
I did the same back when I was a novice. The power supply had gone bad in my old Pc and I had a spare PSU in the loft so I thought it would just work. It was a stock power supply from a old pre built I scrapped. I think it was a 300w power supply trying to power a system with an GTX 8800 inside. It would boot the system but then cut out every time I tried to play a game so I decided to learn a lot more about Pc components and decided to get a corsair 600w PSU and in doing so I was prepared for the future as I put the 600w PSU in my new PC along with a GTX 780. So then I decided to upgrade the PSU as my 780 was having issues and got a 1050W PSU as I knew I was going to be upgrading the graphics card eventually.
Pisses me off so much when people have so much money to not even be bothered about a full refund, more money than sense comes to mind with this seller.
