Byrna LE Power Test! 

Yes that would be awesome!

Yeah, even 36 is too low for me to be comfortable in relying on for home defensive purposes. I've seen tiberius t8.1 gums and first strike fsc guns tweaked to 50÷ joules. Remember, one joule is only equally to .783 or whatever Ft lbs. For those of us in the U.S., don't be fooled by the bigger number, do some math. Better yet, shoot some real world materials before you come to some decision insofar as whether you're gonna be satisfied with the results. A wrist rocket flip will probably shoot .375" lead round balls as fast as the 200fps results and hit a whole lot harder at any given range because even farther out, the more dense lead and the smaller diameter will carry it's vel/energy to greater distances. I've been shot three times in my life. The latter by accident. DROVE MYSELF TO THE HOSPITAL AND WALKED UP TO THE NURSES WINDOW YO CHECK IN CALM COOL AND COLLECTED. When I told her I needed a surgeon and she rolled her eyes and asked me what my " problem was," I told her I'd been shot. Was like 22 years of age. Her words were...following a semi suppressed chuckle, "I doubt that, I gotta see this," and walked around to the outside of her comfy little booth where I was standing in a growing puddle of my own blood. After she panicked, about passed herself, went all super frantic, she called for assistance and they cut half my clothes off...BRAND NEW BLUE JEANS INCLUDED. I was passed about that. The first time I was shot, I was hit twice. .22" LR, cci Stingers, the back of each thigh. I was 16 years of age. I was up inside a grain silo on the farm where we lived. A fellow I knew, who was later determined to have been on drugs that day, approached the silo with a Glenfield 60 .22" semi autatic rifle, and proceeded to randomly "spray" shots up into the silo. I was trapped...because, well, I can't fly. Anywho, I was hit once in the back of each thigh and was bleeding profusely. Every time by heart would beat another surge of hot watery blood would pulse out of the world's and run down my legs and into my shoes where it fast became a slick stick mess. I knew I had to get out but he was still firing. As SOON as the firing stopped, I climbed down the rear ladder as fast as I could. Now once you reach bottom, your backside is momentarily exposed...didn't know what to expect but I knew not to stay that way long. I turned. He was standing there with the rifle held waist high across his body, one hand on the forend, trigger hand still on the grip of the buttstock. He sort of bent forward at the waist, tilting his head down as well..."Did I do that?" Was all he said. I took the opportunity to make the best of hist physical position and what strength a had left, and I kicked him square in the face with the top of my right foot, as if trying to kick a field goal. No fancy flying sidekick, no reverse crescent kick, just a good old fashioned a** kicking kick like you might deliver to someone's nuts. His face exploded into a shower of blood, nose ruptured like a tomato and both eyes rolled back into his head as he fell straight back, completely incapacitated. I thought for a moment I'd killed him. I had not, but he wasn't going anywhere anytime soon. I picked up the rifle, I smashed it over the side of the cobblestone grain silo. I then walked a half mile across fiekds and wooded farm areas, then another quarter mile up an adjacent street to my home where I was driven to a Dr. Now. I wasn't even the aggressor. I was not so.eone hell bent on breaking into your home and/or killing you if need be in order to take what you have. Always...ALWAYS, consider ANY HOME INVADER to be armed and dangerous. Would I trust myself to feel safe at home with a "25" or "40" joule .68 caliber riot ball weapon, knowing the intruder is LIKELY armed with a knife or gun? Nope. You shoot me with that, as unlikely as you may think it is, I'll kick your a** and HURT you badly...on my bad day. If, if I were going to rely on such a weapon for such purposes, I'd tune it to a minimum of 50 joules, preferably 50+, I'd stagger the ammo to best suit any possible scenario of illegal entry to my home or approaching assault, and I'd shoot for upper torso with the pepper stuff and soft tissue area with the hardest glass-breaker balls or glass-breaker first strikes I could obtain. The perp is not playing a game folks. It's them or you. The ONLY thing that may determine who walks away could very well be lack pf hesitation and the willingness to inflict the most physical damage possible as quickly as possible. You don't want your lived ones to find out, after the fact, that your defense system wasn't good enough to save you. Just my thoughts on how I personally feel about the subject of self preservation as such relates to the use of less lethal weapons. Plus, there's a difference in "Less Than Lethal" and "Less Lethal." The difference should be self explanatory to each term. Personally, if (I) am considering either one as an option, it will AKWAYS be "Less Lethal," thus giving me the option to go more-likely-lethal simply by selective shot placement with the harder ammo. The perp's stolen .38 special does not fall into either previously denoted catagory...unless you want to get silly technical and say, ok the .38 is "less lethal" than the perp's partner's also stolen .454" cassul. Just more food for thought.

@@Mark-oj9to They say a head shot is lethal. I'm with with u I prefer guns. Maybe these could be used for a replacement for pepper spray

@@Mark-oj9to right, you kick the guy in the face with a bullet in each thigh lol. You should tell some pretty tall tales lol. There is a movie going on inside of your head, and you are the main character! Cheers.

@@K9Mike people get shot and still move , it’s very common if the bullet doesn’t manage to hit a bone or artery. Plus if it’s just a .22 and it has to already pierce through metal structure of the silo, I imagine it didn’t penetrate deep enough to immobilize him

Thank you!

Thanks for watching!

I think you’re right about the 3.8 gram rounds! I’m going to look into Duke again, they sell out fast! Thanks!

Thank you very much!

Thank you!

Makes a lot of sense. We complain about the FSC-style bolts but that extra bump they give to heavier projectiles is likely important.

I totally agree! You are so much braver than I am as far as pulling these apart! I followed your channel when pulling my HDP50 apart, the overhead camera position is awesome as is the instruction clarity. You are on my RU-vid speed dial!

@@airgunnerreviews7888 Appreciate that. Every channel brings something of need to the table and when we put them all together its a great knowledge base. Keep up the good work.

@@lesslethalfordummies Yes indeed. Carry on.

You are so correct! Thanks for watching!!!

Grimburg round la and Fsc or tcp is a beaut the Byrna is a toy … do look at a Fsc shoot through and through a coconut on a pan Byrna can’t duck with it .. will not spend my money on a day toy that looks good

I agree I think those aluminum rounds an underrated and I certainly wouldn’t want to be in front of them. Thanks for watching!

Where can I check out the aluminum rounds?

I do the exact same thing…start with the aluminum, next is a pepper round, then repeat

That could work rather nicely!

Thank you!

On some of the models you could play with the adjustment screw but the LE has a plastic cap over the back of the handle that houses the screw and it doesn’t seem to budge without scratching the surface. I’m sure someone braver than I will pry it off to see if it can be tweaked!

Yep 3 grams only good when grouping shots to same area for maximum force I’ve made videos explaining that so many people honestly believe that shot placement with byrna doesn’t matter , but it does I’ve demonstrated several situations with several launchers and with the byrna using several different rounds , no one gets it , for the byrna sd I find 3.6 gram is the sweet spot

I think you’re very on point with this one! Just a little heavier round than the Byrna may be perfect! 8 gram is just to heavy.

Haha very true!

All great questions! I’m not a big fan of dry firing to release the extra C02 although I’m unsure if that would hurt the launcher, you can change the C02 as often as you like but without a warm up time it will significantly lower the fps. Byrna only requires lubrication every 500 shots and they recommend their lubricant which is mineral oil based.

@@airgunnerreviews7888 That's good to know. Thanks for responding to my questions ☺️

I own 2 FSC pistols and there power houses! Thanks for watching

@@airgunnerreviews7888 is a stock unmodded FSC pistol more powerful than a byrna LE stock unmodded?

Had 4 tubes fire just fine after being stored under pressure for over 6 months. No problems

With the original Defender I found 4 air cartridges out of around 14 that are pretty reliable but I will refill once a week just to make sure they are ready! As far as the 2.0 version that is all yellow school bus size I still hate it!

@@airgunnerreviews7888 yes, I had already pulled the trigger on it before I had seen updated reviews by you and @BlackPowderPapa...perhaps I got lucky...refilled and used leak detector to verify no bubbles. I'll get back to ya later and follow up...I should invest in a chrono so I can post that info as well.

They are definitely backed up. I was one of the first to order the LE and I just got it 2 weeks ago

I agree and the trigger seams to be smoothing out as well. To be honest all my shooting has been testing so I haven’t had much plinking time!

Byrna has said in interviews that as the trigger and internal systems loosen up, performance gains can be seen to some extent as the internals are getting lubed more. This is why I really like the CO2 I buy from them as every 10th CO2 has a little oil in it so when I fire my Byrna normally during target practice, it'll circulate the oil to all the parts and down the inside of the barrel to keep it clean and smooth. It might cost me a few extra dollars every few month, but it's worth it to me to not need to worry about taking it apart to oil everything.

Very true and more so with the LE model. 3.6 gram seems to be a better weight

Great video. Is 3.6 gram the sweet spot for the Byrna LE?

This will definitely be felt and a face shot would be devastating!

You cant get 35 shots.5 good shots

In my full review I chronographed 14 rounds and it decreased to 249 so I’m thinking 21 shots would be practical. You may even stretch it out to 28 shot (4 mags) but I’m thinking the experience could be underwhelming! To be honest I haven’t shot past 2 mags yet!

Thanks for your reply. So maybe an 8 gram cartridge would be better..? I've never owned any kind of gun before and this is all new to me. I'm just trying to understand the whole thing and what would be the best solution for receiving The strongest shots per cartridge, maybe I'm overthinking this.

@@joemalski8374 I was referring to the shots from a single 12 g CO2 cartridge

Yes you are very correct those 5 rounds are the ones that count! I think you would get around 28 plinking shots it is a stretch that Byrna states 35!

No I haven’t had the pleasure yet! I think having an arrow sticking out of your chest would be quite the deterrent 😂

@@airgunnerreviews7888 yes it would . Lol

Very true!

I totally agree and you have some real firepower there! The Byrna is best to be used with chemical rounds. Thanks for watching!

100!the vks hdr tcp and Fsc are beast This Byrna bull shit the gun just looks good that’s why people buy but if it comes to a fight it’s best to run or throw the Byrna at the bad guy

@@airgunnerreviews7888 we can’t have pepper in California

It is basically a byrna sd with the boost adapter on but still smaller than an FSC. I prefer conceal carry using a belly band holster because the pistol rides above my waist and is much more comfortable.

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I do with some of my other brands less lethal markers but not the Byrna! The Byrna only requires mineral based oil every 500 rounds but I do a thorough cleaning once a month using their recommended cleaning kit.

@@airgunnerreviews7888 yes interesting i have a spidervictor and on the manual also stated mineral based oil where co2tank connected with marker on 0 rings

My Gavle was super accurate but never got anything close to 36 joules, more like 26 the first couple of shots and then unfortunately it failed, I returned it for repair and upon return it failed again after the second C02 and I traded it in for the FSC. Hopefully the 1.5 will be more reliable, good luck!!!

Great video! Have you tried and tested the Gavle 1.5 yet? This would be a great Re-test with the 1.5.

Very true that is the harsh reality of using a less lethal for self defense!

I own two FSC pistols and they hit hard!!! How effective do you think the Byrna would be if hit with 3 to 5 Byrna max rounds? Stopping power of no?

No unfortunately there isn’t!

@Randy Alvarado but I liked the le but it’s not going through coconuts or going through metal like the tcp or Fsc if you shoot grimburg rounds you get one good shot .. and the loud scare factor is not there as well

All the 'less lethal' markers modded to shoot through coconuts and metal sheets are going to get them banned or heavily regulated. If people are using these to bust through people's skulls and kill them, these will be placed on the same level as traditional firearms. The LE will drop someone as in leave them curled up if they got shot with it, but it's not going to crack their skull in half like it would if it were tuned to 70 joules.

The same bad guy will blow you away if you shoot your 9 mm at him and miss. Shooting a gun in real life is completely different than call of duty. The sound alone of a 9 mm being shot indoors is enough to disorient someone without hearing protection and if they haven't trained with their gun, they aren't going to hit their target.