I just bought my Byrna about a week and a half ago. This is a great point. I never thought about that. I’ll definitely change the way I load my magazine. 👍🏼
Thats a really good tip... I also recommend if you're going to keep a clip of chemical rounds loaded, buy a magazine cover to keep it in so it doesnt accidentally release the chemical rounds in whatever place your storimg your rounds and Byrna. Last January when i contacted Byrna to see if I could get a Red/Orange plate for one of my magazines, they told me they discontinued them. Luckily there was one in my son's Byrna case so I stole it so I'd have a separate magizine that I could easily identify when theyre in their covers.
this video made me think of eggs because you can put so much force on an egg from the top and bottom and the egg doesn't break but if you put force on the side of it, its going to break easily
Good advice. Today I notice some dust coming from my Byrna magazine. Needless to say, I started coughing and sneezing. I can't imagine what a full blown launch would be like.
Definitely some great pointers here. I just bought the LE and will only be putting 6 in the mags instead of 7. One of the two mags will have first, a kinetic round, then 4 pepper/cs rounds and then topped off with a kinetic round. I will load the chemical rounds the way you instructed now though, because it makes a LOT of sense. The one mag I will always keep loaded that way for defense only and the second mag I will use for practice. Thanks for the great and informative video!
Oh yeah, and ALWAYS a fresh, non punctured CO2 canister installed for the defense mode trips down the mountain to the Walmart. No partially used CO2 canisters to be stored in the launcher when loaded up for the ready at home with the non chemical kinetic rounds either.
@@airgunnerreviews7888 I just watched a video where the owner (Bryan), of the company loaded all of the pepper/gas projectiles the way you explained here. Could tell he had been doing it this way for quite a while too. I already re adjusted my pepper mag to this method. Thanks!
Thanks for the video - Excellent advice, I have an LE and haven't used the pepper rounds that come with the kit yet. After seeing this I might just get a five round mag solely for the pepper balls.
Thank you sir for that advice, I will try that next time. I won't be doing anytime soon because I've been exposed too much and I'm tired of coughing and blowing my nose and sneezing! Byrna says they have to make them like they do because they need to break on impact but I think they could make them a bit more thicker. So for now I am using just the inert projectiles.
You make a good point common sense that I never considered guess I've been lucky never had any of my pepper balls break in the mag I don't use Byrna brand maybe thats why I prefer Pepperball brand just the same I now loading away from the seam also I don't like to load pepper in the 7 round mag the spring seems to be much stronger Thanks for the info
The problem I found with this procedure is that the initial rounds rotate as I load the subsequent rounds so they do not hold the horizontal position. Byrna has a real problem with these rounds because mine repeatedly break sitting in the launcher in a drawer.
How am I even supposed to load the max rounds if they already have powder in the case! They haven't even been removed from the case yet and are already leaking! 🙁
Does it make any sense for the first round in a 7 round magazine to be something other than a chemical round on the pointy part of the follower then load them just as you stated
I think you’re ok as long as you load with the pepperball seam not making contact with the pointy part, once it’s in it is secure. I like to load 5 chemical rounds and 2 kinetic on top, just my preference!
The Salt is a solid performer with 6 hard and consistent shots but heavy with a long barrel so not the best for carrying, I keep mine in the vehicle and would prefer to use in an emergency over the Byrna when I have enough notice to strike the piercing mechanism on the handle, However the Byrna is more concealable and offers a drop down magazine for quick reload and pierce and shoot technology for a quick on the fly draw.
Two things for you: one think I'll stick with 5 round mag (instead of 7) due to pressure. Second, the "cloud" in the chemical round holder; does that mean they are bad? BTW, have an LE and really like it.
Probably is a better idea to keep the chemical rounds in the 5 round mag and interesting enough Byrna came out with a video on this subject. I have my 7 round mag loaded with 5 chemical rounds topped off with two kinetics and haven’t had any problems but I use my spare mag for practice so the chemical rounds are not disturbed! Thanks for watching!!!
The chemical rounds are real fragile and can rupture/crack in the barrel so I like to keep at least 1 kinetic round loaded so if a chemical round cracks I can limit the clean up to the magazine and wiping down the inside of the handle. Just my personal preference, thanks for watching!
@@airgunnerreviews7888 Thanks for critical advice. Just a thought: would it help to LIMIT exposure if the magazine with chemical rounds were stored in a zip lock bag or plastic container separate from the launcher ??? Please advise. Thanks
Weird, I never had a break in a magazine. I have a stash loaded, for over 6-months in the smaller magazine. If the round breaks before firing I would think it would be a quality issue, miss molded. I would think they researched the compression of a fully loaded magazine with any round.
My last batch I purchased is holding up quite well so maybe they have corrected the issue? I actually have never had one break but over time the seam loosens up and the powder shakes out. I think it happens more frequently when you load and unload the rounds. Thanks for commenting!
I put the max rounds on the bottom and load the kinetics on top I never unload them so the magazine is dedicated just for self defense, I find just removing the rounds and reloading weekends the “equator”. Thanks for dropping by!
My current seven round mag goes 2 glass breakers (kinetic) 3 pepper and then 2 aluminum incase the person somehow is still coming. Do you think that’s a solid idea? Or should i worry about a misfire from the pepper balls. I’ve only tested it once since the pepperballs are one use and expensive but i didn’t see anything that caused myself concern
The barrel slides all the way back and over the projectile and the extra ammo adds friction and also more pressure on the trigger and you also lose fps on your first shot. The manual also states not to load an extra projectile and over time it can wear on the internals.
THe Duke pepper roumds dont crack easily, they are strong. In SA Duke make the byrna romds, so the new byrna max rounds are sstronger, some folks put nail polish glu on the seem😂
have you ever tried to use the spring pressure in a magazine to launch at a person? or do it through the chronograph to compare the power vs actually shooting them from the gun?
That is a good question! So far it’s been 5 months without a crack. I think most of the problem is loading and unloading from the magazine so I keep one mag dedicated and I softly insert in the launcher when reloading. The newer Max rounds are a different color and are shinier so I think Byrna may have changed the shell to not crack as easy.
Beleive it or not Byrna has a video and they recommend plunging it in a bucket of water or sink and let it air dry in the sun! In the video they throw it in a swimming pool. Without the C02 and magazine attached of course!
At the top of the magazine you will see a bar that is holding the projectiles in place and all you need to do is push it down, just make sure you have the magazine pointed away from you and cup the top with your hand because they will spring out! Sorry it took me so long to reply!!!
Hey man, you said you live in NYS. Might want to read up on the legality of "pepper balls". I can't even get 'em shipped to Rochester! As I understand it, they are legal to sell buy & possess in NYS, as long as you're outside of the 5 & Yonkers. However, as per the shipping restrictions... this leaves room for dumb, lazy gung ho tyrannous Oath breakers to jack you up! Hey, this is NY! there's probably even some well meaning LEOs who mistakenly believe they're illegal or some nonsense like "only we should have them!" Be careful! :]
So NY has some of the stupidest restrictions! Companies selling pepper sprays and pepper ball rounds cannot ship to NY but it is legal to purchase and use for self defense. However not all pepper sprays are legal depending on the content but so far pepper balls content has no restrictions.
@@airgunnerreviews7888 right, I was pleased to learn this. But I have had a fair few experiences, where something like this can be wrongly assumed illegal, as per the shipping restrictions & other legislation, like on spray & the cops will run you in anyway. When I mentioned reading about it I mean cases, not law on the books. Good luck even finding that! Did you buy them on LI?
Or just pull the spring down when loading the magazine. Then you aren't adding pressure against the chemical rounds. Byrna even recommends doing this. About the only useful tip you had was to use a dedicated magazine for your chemical rounds.
You sir have no idea what you are talking about and obviously do not own a Byrna! Byrna does NOT recommend pulling the spring down before loading because you cannot do it! (there are no spring tabs like on an FSC magazine). Let me read word for word straight from the manual: “Hold the magazine with the projectile retaining bar away from you. Insert the projectiles into the to opening of the magazine. Only slight pressure is required to push the projectiles past the projectile retainer bar.” Knowing your facts before typing is highly recommended if you don’t want to be schooled…
I was considering buying a couple of launchers until watching this video, moreover the acceptance and resignation to having this problem that many owner/commenters have made without HAMMERING BYRNA about it is astounding ...after all, these launchers are not $50 zip guns, as for me , I do not need the aggravation of having rounds crack while in storage .Your video, although helpful is not doing anybody any favors , in that it does not motivate Byrna to make the necessary modifications needed to the magazine, but mostly the chemical rounds to ensure that this condition does not occur . Because you are telling people with the problem to try this or that , which may or not work consistently BYRNA rakes in the dough and does nothing about it . The question rhetorical or suppositional is this ....what is the point of keeping a launcher loaded on the night stand or holster only to have it affect the owner as the rounds crack and ooze the irritants as opposed to staying intact for the scumbag who should be the recipient of the round? They look great, and features Blah Blah Blah ...but who has time to load a magazine in time to use it when the emergency comes up? As far as anybody is concerned BYRNA is on the hook to fix the problem , because, the alternatives to their products which even if priced higher are worth buying in Byrna`s stead because those alternatives do not have the issues of rounds leakage ,and are very much available.
Several weeks after I posted this on RU-vid Byrna did address this issue and their answer is to use the 5 round magazine instead of the 7 round with the heavier spring, however I have found no issues as long as you don’t load and unload the mag since this seems to be more of the issue.
