Nice little side by side. Numbers time.. .50 cal has surface area of 0.7853in2. .686 has a surface area of 1.4698. Almost double. In terms of less lethal, you can use more power with a .68 and spread that energy out over more surface area with less risk of lethality, with a larger area of impact. The inverse, a 50 with less power, is more likely to penetrate. A 22LR has more energy than both and will certainly penetrate, however it offers limited stopping power. A baseball bat doesn't penetrate but offers stopping power. I feel like a 50 cal buried at center mass is more trouble for a less lethal user simply seeking stopping power deterrence, than that of blunt impact higher power 68. Not saying a .50 ball bearing in the chest wouldn't deter someone. Simply that it could cause the holder of the 50 more problems. As you stated Sean, these two have different purposes. The user should be aware when choosing shot placement, which caliber they are holding. Cracked skull vs leaking skull. Bruised ribs vs sucking chest wound. Just something to keep in the back of one's mind. Know what you're working with and know your objective.. Joules and calibers. Tests like this are always a nice way to visualize the real-world effect chronos, ball gauges and scales don't tell us. So... shoot more pans, maybe a pan with jeans on. Perhaps a pan behind your trap cloth. I'm entertained any which way!
Such a good comment! very true, id take a mag dump from a .68 giving 300+ fps over getting hit by even one .177 moving 700+ fps although both wouldn't be safe 😂 .. Now if it was a face shot, idk.. Maybe the. .177 id take my chances with 🤔 more likely to skip off the skull where the .68 could possibly crush skull..
I do agree the small caliber may be perceived as less blunt force trauma. Its really hard to say for sure since the pans dont talk back and i have yet to see anyone take a steel ball as a test. The pans were fun and ill continue with more tests.
@@lesslethalfordummies I hope Jeff doesn't get any ideas.. Someone else who took impacts from same caliber- different weights, said the lower velocity higher mass hurt more than faster moving lightweight. Joules being equal.
Of the many C02 and HPA defense option videos I've seen, this comment, from a perspective of 1000's I have read, really cuts through the hype, jargon, and rhetoric of these platforms. Anyone who doesn't think any one of these, even at factory specs, can't be lethal, shouldn't be using one! I use them because they reload faster than my sling, but for pure blunt force stopping power, I'll take my sling.
Very cool test Sean😎. These pistols sure hits hard. Your HDP is no joke. Blasting a hole in that pan. The other shots from it was close to penetrate it to. Take care and have a great weekend 🙂👍
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Interesting insights, thanks ! I wonder if there would have been more impact if the pan was locked into place, instead of dangling loosely? I imagine some of the energy is wasted moving the pan...
Hey Sean, I was just watching one of your videos where you did some mods to your umerex hdp 50. I wanted to run something by you. I watched a few other videos Wich one was horrible but the outcome was amazing shooting at 500 fps. Simply laid the hdp on its side popped out the pins, took off the brass valve on the back and removed the hotshot shaped block inside there and simple put it all back together without that valve block. I really couldn't believe what I saw. The downside of it as I'm sure you already know is that they only got like 10 shots per 12gram co2s but at 500 fps it's to be expected. please lmk if you try it... Love you're videos keep it up my Man!
The Hdp whether Usa or Canada comes as the 7.5j version. No restrictor, valve block. Remove the valve block will get about 18j with a 12g. Add some tuning extensions and you can reach 30. 500fps is with sub 2g balls. My hdp hit about 260 with 8.4g steel bearings. The hdp is awesome but the detent needs immediate attention.
@CoinCollector1 probably too slow and long for you to understand. I go out of my way to help people. I see all the comments whether you delete them or change them.
Man that hdp 50's got some teeth! Are we going to get a definitive series on how to get it tuned up that high 🤔 I've already removed the valve block on mine. I guess you could say Betty crocker got her cake pound 🤭 Awesome video bruh💪🙏
🤣🤣🤣 You said it not me. She had her cake and ate it too! I want to test East Coast LL revised detent first against my modified version then i may be able to definitely give a recipe for the pain.
It is best to keep your hand supported very well before pulling that heavy trigger. Otherwise having a lethal or less-lethal gun would not serve its purpose at all. 😁
You are 💯 right and i did mention try to ignore the extras on the Hdp. The Byrna is still my carry at this point because of its trigger pierce. Cant beat that. Also 50cal offers much better penetration which is kinda the opposite of what we are looking for in LL. I am a Byrna fan and own 3 technically 4 if you count the Tmc.
I tested byrna kinetics (2.9g) vs the wrecker busting balls (4.5)g on a baking pan as well and got pretty much a very similar indentation mark but then i tested them on a bher gallon of paint at 25 ft . The byrna kinetics left a good dent but the home wreckers actually cracked the metal and paint was gushing out all over
I have the same exact Umarex. Purchased it on Amazon, so its all factory. Can you link me to a video on how to upgrade it to get the most out of it? Im assuming its 7.5 joules since its unmodiied. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks
like bolo young , told , c.van damm in BLOODSPORT , very good , but pan dont hit back lol !!! AWESOME SHOW AND TEST MY BROTHER !!! it was pretty good for a not so scientific test !!! LOL 🤣👌👍
@@lesslethalfordummies lol well my latest build , HDP .50 only came out to a mere 38.22 joules , 314 FPS with a steel ball tuned for my HD-24 tuning barrel weighing 8.39 grams instead of the norm 8.53 getting 8 good shots and 2 too low to read , ALL FROM JUST A !@ GRAM CO@ POWERLET . the one i built before this one got 330 fps with 8.39 gram steel balls for 42.22 joules 6 good shots and 3 too low to read on that one and still just off of a 12 gram co2 . i ask people also if they want more regulated power shots that allows them 12 to 18 shots i can do that too . one day soon i will break out my hpa tanks , fittings , and hoses to see what these beauties can do also !!! . i am in the present time completely rebuilding a special RG MODDED HDR.68 . my specialty is building less than lethal markers that can be carried in a shoulder holster or holster , open or under your shirt using 12 gram co2's . i have the equipment also if someone wants a 500 dollar special complete with a "3" piece tuning barrel , lubed up and polished internals, plus more , powerful stainless steel powerful valve pins, hpa fittings ,coiled hose and 13 ci tank ammo bag and 200 rounds of perfect fitting 8.39 gram steel balls for more of a home defense type less than lethal option !!! my dream soon is to start building smaller carbines from hdp's and hdr's real soon ! these will be super fun ! man i need to get a camera and start making videos , i should have been doing this since 2010 when i first had the notion , lol , i was in new Orleans 2 years prior and 3 after pursuing a music career at the time and that didnt go as plan , as i like to sing rock ,all types , and country and soul and rap !, could find enough people to want or could do all these LOL. SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS)))))))))))))OOOOOOOOOOOOOO YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH , i should have just started making videos , i was a master at daisy 880's , crosman co2 1077's and believe it or not could make daisy red ryders powerful enough to hunt and kill birds too !!! i also began hot rodding markers over 20 years ago ,but ever since less than lethal came out , its all i can think about LOL ........ YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD GET WHAT I"M SAYING , LOL ......
The hdp50 kicks like a mule. Something you don’t see is the Byrna as modified gets 14 shots on a 12g. The Hdp gets 6. That says something about the power/efficiency output.
bro great video!! i just purchased a byrna le launcher with the max projectiles! do you know if the impact from the max projectiles would hurt if you popped an intruder in the face with one? I know they said when they hit whatever they hit they explod and release a strong powder. also would the 9.9g canada riot ball work in a byrna le launcher?
Cant say i have taken a face shot with a max projectile but i can say a 3g paintball hurts. Riotballs do work in the Byrna but i think they are too heavy for this air system to be the best performer.
I've found the Byrna kinetic rounds to be very effective when hitting a home invader in the groin and the knees. Two best spots to shoot as people don't wear anything heavy or thick in these areas. Of course head shots are what everyone says in the comments, but head shots open you up to lawsuits if you cause permanent injury to the invader. Shots to the knees and groin will heal up with time whereas a shot to the eye won't.
What in tarnation is a burna?😂😂 I have a byrna sd XL that I'm 100% sure is capable of dropping someone to the ground within seconds. There are definitely more powerful options but that thing is definitely not on the weak side
What did you install into the degasser? If its gone how do you degass it? I'm trying to find a nipple with thread to screw into where the brass cap goes but so i can just use hpa directly or a bigger co2 tank from the buttstock area
I tapped the valve 1/4npt thread. Somethings i just didnt share via RU-vid. There are posts in the group but i suggest you just buy one of the premade adapters as it will save you headaches. This was just an early version of those that you see now.
SHAWN , i find the HDP.50's i have to be very acurate my brother !!!! this is my 2nd or 3rd time watching this video . on accuracy , i constantly take my collection of lessthalethal markers , i practice shooting in lakes , and other smaller bodies of water. the water always shows a ninja where exactly the balls land lol ! there are always floating junk like sticks ,leaves and if im lucky plastics bottles on occasion i can shoot at and i sometimes bring my range finders to get an exact measurment of distance !!! !!! . so i was curious as to distance it can shoot , my best shooting hdp.50 shot a 8.39 gram ball at 97.4 yards before dropping !!! i always use lots of silicone oil so in over 1 year I have yet to break one of my detents . i cant stress enough people ,keep your markers well lubed with silicone oil . i been wondering SHAWN on the use of coiled hoses hooked to a co2 tank . to me ,this is a better option when playing in paintball games .the long coiled hose collects the ice while the pressure makes it to the marker .so i was wondering why it wouldnt be a better option for people using lower powered cos less than lethal marker ,pistols or rifles .some people dont have compressor to charge up hpa tanks . the reason i am asking , i am about to get 3 or 4 CQMF's a couple to keep for home defense and a couple to mod and sell ! i am also thinking about the Valken vlack hawk foxtrot rig >>>
Thanks for keeping the views up 😂. I just dont have any space to shoot long distance and my markers are all setup for close range. The length of hose does play a part in in shedding cold and increase efficiency. Better then a long hose are older paintball co2 tanks that had syphon tubes to extract gas from the bottles rather then liquid. There are some still out there but are getting hard and harder to find. The Valkens will keep you busy for a while 👍🏼
@@lesslethalfordummies think about Shawn , a hdp.50 at 43 joules shooting to 97.4 yards before dropping is mind blowing right , i have to get out mu hdr.68 that shoots about 43ish joules and see what distance i can get with a 68 cal glass marble that has been coated with about 7 coats of paint so they are the perfect size to shoot ! you live in beautiful Canada i would have thought you had plenty of lakes and rivers to shoot in . as long as you are not shooting lead ,it shouldn't be against the law right ?
@rick31869 Its not for lack of beautiful places. Its the mindset of the brainwashed that believe guns actually kill people and not the people themselves.
So which would you recommend for home defense based on reliability and just enough stopping power to deter an intruder but not to where I might face a law suit for body shots?
Specifically for home defence i wouldn’t choose either. Umarex Hdr models are far more reliable with their drum type magazines or a Byrna Tcr is a better choice over a Byrna Sd or even LE.
I think this is the video. I had some trial and error along the way so if you search Byrna Less Lethal For Dummies you should see multiple vids. I do not recommend taking your Byrna apart unless you have the patience of a saint. Byrna SD Less Lethal - Test Firing Another Lighter Valve Spring ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oiEeWvz1VWY.html
It seems no matter what was shot from the Byrna. They all look to be the same power. Trivial difference at most. I think a face shot from any of them would not be fun.
I agree the shots from the Byrna were of negligible difference. Based on why and where i carry the Byrna at the distance I intended to use it is LL by definition. The Hdp50 from a car window at short range may not be perceived as LL as demonstrated. Doesnt make one wrong or right….choose your desired results.
