@@kimberlypatterson3568 yes, because Mormon students are instructed that any anatomical descriptions, any written descriptions of anatomy or sex, and any discussion of sex or sexuality is sinful. Defacing the anatomy books is a direct result of Mormon teaching. It's the logical conclusion of their beliefs.
@@emmaobrien1376 So I’m LDS and that is NOT what we are taught. We are taught to talk about sex using proper terms, not nicknames for body parts. We are taught to view sex as a sacred and healthy component of marital relationships.
I mean, I'm Mormon and I think this is stupid. I would say most people I go to BYU with would agree with me. I love my body, I think some idiots probably just take our teachings too far. @@emmaobrien1376
I went to a religious college, but the "restricted section" in our library was books that were extremely old, rare, or fragile. It was to protect vulnerable artifacts, not to suppress information.
I went to a state funded no religious school and we also had a rare books section or restricted sections. The only controversial stuff there was a period copy of the original Texas declaration of succession from the union. There was also a rumor that we had an original copy of mien Kampf. It was allegedly a soldiers trophy from WW2 that their descendants didn't want in their home.
I went to BYU and can tell you that the “restricted section” is 100% for valuable artifacts, not “anatomy books”… we buy our own anatomy books just like everyone else
Yeah and it's a mark of immaturity. Kids do it and teenagers do it and it's indicative of their maturity level and when you have an entire population of young adults who are so immature about their own bodies they continue to do it to text books
This is fascinating! At first I thought “this is information control” and then you tell me they were keeping the books safe from the students 😆 I would never had guessed
It’s brainwash at its finest. Seeing anything anatomical as remotely vulgar is a cults way of sexually oppressing and therefore controlling individuals
Yea this isn't surprising. The cult facillitates an extreme level of sexual oppression and subsequent immaturity towards anything and everything to do with the human experience as a whole. Listening to the conversations of my brainwashed cousins is so pathetic because even though they are in their 30's, they react to sexuality and sexual expression in much the same way my Grade 7 students do in Sex Ed. It is so pathetic and sad to see this level of discomfort in adults who have literally birthed their own children and yet cannot even say the word, "vagina" without awkwardness in their voice. Pathetic.
As an exmormon, my sexual health was horrible, I have a strong libido for a woman. It really was not healthy to suppress any sexual feelings or thoughts for so many years. I think it certainly was a contributor to my depression at the time. The idea of never sexually pleasuring yourself until marriage is just not realistic, and I think it leads to young and quick marriages without taking time to mature and get to know your partner. They always told me I'd regret having premarital sex. But I lost my virginity at 18 and never regretted it. I feel more knowledgeable and more confident about sex than ever, and im still not married. Yet I feel like I have a much better and healthier sex life than my parents have ever had.
Welcome to basically the entire Southern US. I have literally had PEDIATRICIANS who were uncomfortable using words like vulva and vagina, even when my child and I used them first. There have been other parents (plural) who gasped, covered their children's ears, or even distanced themselves from my family because they heard one of my kids use correct anatomical terms in an appropriate context (such as, "Mommy, so-and-so kicked me in the vulva, and it hurts.") Like, what are they supposed to say? I'm not going to teach them to be less precise or not tell me when something is going on with their body?? This is why we have grown women who don't know that they don't pee out of their vagina and grown men who don't know that women can't just "hold in" their periods. It's very sad and pathetic.
@@jennenny87my mom (social worker) also taught my sister and I all the proper anatomical words at around 4 years old. We went to a private Catholic school, so she told us to _never_ use those words at school lol. At home, tho, lots of “moooom!! he kicked me in the ba-gina!!”
Seriously the early church history, would be the stuff everyone needs to read. The biology books are educational, not pornography. These students are immature!!
@@sandpaper4404 she literally said in the video that students would censor science books because the students felt they were inappropriate. The admin is terrible, but the students are just as bad.
I agree with Izzy. It’s less immature and more of being indoctrinated and brainwashed into a certain way of thinking that isn’t seen as mature by outside sources, but within the faith it’s seen as the MOST mature way of handling the situation. A physical way of rejecting “impurity”, so to speak. To them, it’s them showing they are like Daniel in the Lion’s den rejecting the outside world- heroes to god and ultimate soldiers in his army through such a “small” act. It runs deep.
I was assigned a research paper many years ago which required me to get permission to gain access to the restricted session. I felt like I was 10 years old! Ridiculous!!!
😂 My family is Mormon; when I was 7, I stole my dad’s body building magazines and cut all of the underwear out, because I thought they were his porn mags, and was aghast that my Good Mormon Dad would have something like that. And then when I was 12, I realised that they were just body building magazines. And then when I was 15, realised that he was Mormon without internet; they WERE his porno magazines!! Disfiguring ‘smut’ is a proud Mormon tradition haha 😝
To think, I wanted to attend BYU for the mere size of the library (not the only reason of course but still) and yet the students are so immature that they destroy books and the church can’t even be honest about it’s origins because they would loose membership
"testimony-shattering" is an amazing phrase lol. Also, as a Catholic, church history is like the WORST stuff to restrict for students! We need to look at the history of our institutions so we don't repeat atrocities. However, I'm not surprised that BYU doesn't seem to care about that.
So I'm an actual student at BYU. The early church documents are in the "special collections" section. All students are able to view the documents in a special area. This is to maintain the fragile documents. The permission from a professor thing that she's talking about is only required if a student needs to check these documents out✌🏻
Facts, is also to protect copyright and to keep valuable books from going missing. I know one book that ended up there because when it was available for general checkout it would wander off. I also have personally been to the Reserve Collection to looks at pieces by Mack Wilberg that aren't on the shelves to keep them from getting photo-copied.
@@oliviabb73849 so here's an idea. I hope I don't sound aggressive because I don't intend to be, but why don't you check out the L. Tom Parry Special Collections yourself? (Yes, that's the official name). That way you can get your own information firsthand instead of relying on others who are politically and socially motivated in order to get information :)
They aren't. This person just can't stand that the church supresses information to keep their student body from understanding the truth and rebelling.@@oliviabb73849
Oh my, I hate kids in school who would censor curse words in books. It’s not your book, and if the school was concerned they would have already asked students to censor it!!
I went to a conservative college. For a class I picked the concept of nudity in religious art. Problem: I couldn’t search that in our filtered internet or find anything in the library….
@@AL-pv2bq Don't be purposefully dense 😒. The only reason they're concerned about BYU students being med students is because anatomy which medical workers need to know is censored
@@GottaZayn It's obviously not censored on the state run tests they take, plus they have to study under a real doctor and watch them work for a long time before they are allowed to practice medicine in any sense or perform a surgery. But hey, if you want to just bandwagon with this lady who's whole career is to be a hater, go ahead.
@@AL-pv2bq obviously it's not censored in specific environments, there's no special medical school exam for Mormon students. Again purposefully trynna be dense 🙄 it's the cultural mindset they're carry going into that type of space where you need to be comfortable with body parts that is concerning
@@GottaZayn idk man, sounds like you're worrying about people you have never met despite med students from other colleges never raising any concerns about them. If they were marking over nudes in med books I bet it was a joke. I've met LDS doctors and they were just like other doctors I met. Is you life so easy that you have to see problems where there are none just to feel like you have a purpose? Go help at a soup kitchen lol.
that’s kinda hilarious, because if anything for me growing up in public school books like only got vandalized to ADD explicit material or words to them. sad, but funny.
This, as always, was informative. It reminded me of my cousin. She went through those big catalogues we used to get in the mail in the 50's and 60's and all the magazines each month. She'd cut out all the pics of women in bras and panties, so her brothers wouldn't see the "pornography". Ha. Seems pretty funny to me now. Thanks for what you do. 😅
I know this’ll pretty much be irrelevant at this point but this is called the Special Collections section of the library and I worked there last year. There are restricted books but for the most part they are either books that are fragile, very valuable, or like the video said early records of the church. Most of these items are not completely banned from being seen but just require extra care, and for the early records of the church some of the people involved wrote down things that we consider sacred. Many people would see these “forbidden books”, they just needed to ask a curator in the library to get them so they could continue to be preserved.
This girl’s videos just started popping up on my feed. Most of her videos that I’ve seen are full of misinformation, half truths, exaggerations, or just flat out lies. This video is a perfect example of that. Thanks for Informing people what the special collection actually is. But it probably won’t matter, like you said, most people who stumble on these videos want to believe these are 💯 accurate.
Mount Meadows, UT was my introduction to the LDS people. It was a slaughter brought on by "blood atonement" teachings. My family were the Dunlaps. Only 2 members of my family survived out of 8+. Thank you for airing out their closets 💜
I love your channel! Have you ever read “Leaving the Saints” by Martha Beck? It’s incredibly wrenching, but one of the best books I’ve ever read. Her father was prominent Mormon apologist Hugh Nibley.
Alyssa, you should do an entire video on this subject. There's so much out there that is hidden. T There are soo many good books available that that go over All this, but they are so well... I was going to say repressed rather than suppressed, but yeah, that's really what they are, They Are REPRESSED, and Especially here in the Heart of Zion.
I'm 56 years old, and as a yw, I rarely went because I just didn't fit in. I would hang out in the library with mu stepmother. Our ward building was an older original building from the late 1800's, and the books had been added to over the years, but never purged (until a new stake center was built and the old books disappeared) but while I had access, I read them. I mean....I READ VOLUMES of now denied stories, records, doctrine, etc. I. READ. EVERYTHING. For years I convinced myself that the church must have had a valid reason for hiding this. No. I was just naive. Not anymore. If it looks like BS and smells like BS....it's BS.
Books didn’t “disappear” they were purged just like you would your own closet should be periodically cleaned out. Books of all natures would make it into our ward bldg library (anti Gospel crap too), kids coloring books, romance novels teens would bring to YW, etc. Any well organized organization will actually keep their blds and materials organized.
@kimberlypatterson3568 yes, but conveniently, these books had information that is no longer taught or accepted as gospel. If that were the explanation, if there were any acknowledgment of the past, that would be fine. It's the outright denial of the existence of information contained within the purged books that is disturbing.
I got my BFA at BYU and my 300/400 level art history professor gave me a permission slip for a book on an artist from the 70s who was questioning what pornography was vs art. Anyways, the book was full of black and white photographs of hard-core porn hahaha it killed me. I had already been an atheist for 2 years at that point so it didn't big me, just really cracked me up that some little old ladies tithing money was being used to house gay porn. 😂
This little old lady pays her tithes as dictated by the Bible. My covenant is with the Lord. I will only be judge on my own unselfishness. If the funds are used wrong that is between my leaders and the Lord. I am only responsible for my own sins . In today’s world, it is easy to walk away and condemn those of us that stay.
Could not imagine the absolute brain damage you’d get by viewing the human body in every context as sexual or pornographic. To the point where you can’t look at some drawings of flesh and bones in an educational setting without feeling the need to damage some property.
Imagine being like 20 years old and having been raised in such a strange, out-of-touch way that you think biology books are cornographic. Also, the way of dealing with it is, again, extremely immature. It's naive to think these images are inappropriate and also naive to think the way of dealing with something you see as a problem is just to cover it up
Ohhhh I believe it. Served my mission at the Mormon Trail Center and I was allowed to read the books in the library… that’s literally when I began my spiritual awakening. Things… weren’t adding up right. 💎✨
My uro-gynecologist went to BYU as an undergrad. Im sure glad he went elsewhere for med school, and stayed away from Mormon-run hospitals for his residency and fellowship training. Can you imagine?
Ummmmmm, as a BYU alum who has been to the restricted section, I can tell you that much of what she said is false. They have a restricted section, but anyone can check out the books, you just have to have a librarian get it for you and it has to stay in a study room. Most of the books in there are old books that they don’t want to be destroyed by clumsy students.
Many public libraries are contemplating keeping books behind the desk or behind glass doors, requiring patrons to ask for them by name. If they don't people who would like them banned deface them or try and destroy them in some way.
I didn't go to BYU but I went to grades 3-10 in a small town in Utah and it seemed those subjects were banned not just in the library but the whole town. Which just made me more curious, leading to me being labeled a slut and a witch before I was 10. Refusing to convert and teaching people about such subjects got me labeled even worse.
This is a bit of a confused comment and Im not sure what comparisonyoure trying to make. The Vatican is a geographical state, as well as a catch-all phrase for the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Which is not really comparable to BYU, a University, and the library within it that she's referring to in this video.
@Rooshii what? The Vatican has more secrets than almost every religion. The Vatican can be a geographical location and the central entity of the Catholic Church that has absolute control over documents for nearly thousands of years.
I currently go to a major public university in Michigan and I’ve never even heard of someone checking a book out from the library. Are nowadays it seems like the library is many things. A building that never locks at night, one of the better snack bars, I study spot occasionally. But no one I know uses the actual resources there. If they do, they use the online resources, which have just about everything anyways which gave me a funny thought, which was I wonder if there’s an online restricted section.
First off, Alyssa, you are amazing and I absolutely love your videos and how you explain so many aspects of the Mormon Church in a way never Mormons like me can understand. So interesting! NOW, having watch many of your videos, the defacing of bio books by BYU students is the MOST F-ED brainwashing manifestation I’ve heard about Mormonism so far!! 😮
Holy crap! That reminds me of when my mom brought back a really nice museum book from the Louvre for my Mormon grandmother and my grandmother then proceeded to censor all of the artistic nudity in the book! Even the angels and adam and eve and stuff
The concept of a "restricted" section in a library defeats the idea. Also, why would not just spin anatomy as another field studying God's own work? Just like meterology or any other natural science.
I would’ve thought that they locked away the biology books because the students all wanted them, having never been taught about proper anatomy. Not the other way round!!
Okay, I was mad about the restriction of biology textbooks, but your explanation subverted my expectations entirely. I had no idea that the *students* were responsible for defacing anatomical diagrams!
My mom had an 8th grade Mormon student who said she was uncomfortable with reading a book in class because it had a kiss in it, and was therefore "p*rn*graphic". It is so sad how even something as normal as that is seen as being so taboo.
The special collections section at the HBLL does not have regular biology books or half of what she claims. It's just old or expensive items that they don't want students damaging.
This makes a lot of sense. Mormons really don’t like nudity. I’m an artist and was shocked to find out that the BYU life drawing class had the models in garments-so they were never naked. How are we supposed to capture the beauty of human anatomy if we aren’t provided said human anatomy? It was shocking for me to see a naked person the first class-but then it became art after that. I wasn’t looking at a nude body to be a pervert or for selfish reasons. I was learning how to draw the human figure.
its crazy because when i hear "early church history" im like "why would they restrict first and second century historical documents?" until I realized it was _mormon_ church history
If BYU had the courage of their convictions, they would order hundreds of copies of these books, to get them safely out of circulation and out of print. Don't tell anyone, the heathes will just print more of them.(g)
We require you to have as many children as possible. Oh theres a book that shows you how to actually care for the baby/mother or how to deliver them? Absolutely not! Medical diagrams are equivalent to porn. 🙄 I get religious freedom and everything but cmon.
Early christianity. Like before Paulus of Tharsus completely redefined christian ethics and worldview, has very little to do with even catholicism or protestants/orthodox. Even less with mormons of course. Historically Paulus of Tharsus had more influence on what christians believe that Jesus. Because he was the one spreading his refined version. Took ouf kosher food and circumcision for example
That’s a load of codswallop. I’ve been everywhere in that library, including the biology and religious history sections. They’re complete, and you’re incorrect
i was not raised mormon by my grandmother was, she lived and died by the religion. she passed away when i was 10, she was my best friend, and as i got older i decided to dive into the history of mormonism as a way to learn more about her. i was utterly crushed, i cried for hours thinking “how? how can the most intelligent and kind person i’ve ever known believe this?” and i still struggle with it to this day.
