Man this looks like fun. 2 things: 1. Thought I would be playing with a different type of phaser in 2020 2. This video is calming makes you forget for a min that you are broke and so is your truck. Or else I'd take it to a mechanic.
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great product I've installed 3 so far they are pricey yet quality always cost and I haven't got any complaints of either of the 3 ever having the same problem again its been 3 years for the first one so like I said great product
kquigs100 If flat-rate didn't exist then every mechanic would work this way. Taking time to do the job carefully, resulting in the job being done right the first time. I wish I didn't have to rush through jobs just to make a living. If I was being paid by the hour, I would make sure every damn bolt, nut, and screw were torqued to the proper specification or the proper sequence. I would only get paid 4hrs for this type of job. That's $80.
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Very good video. I noticed that you did not remove any of the valve springs. I think the ford manual requires that 2 valve springs be removed to keep the cam from spinning once the phaser is removed. I guess when you put the phaser back on you can spin the cam back to where it should be by aligning to your mark.
We are considering this for one of our fleet trucks, just trying to find a mechanic that will do it. One mechanic said it is too late (we just started feeling some rough idling this week). This is a better option than engine or phaser replacement and honestly probably worth a try. Thoughts on it being too late or is the mechanic just trying to sell me an engine. Btw if I can get even a year out of this it’s a huge win.
Typically it's only too late IF there is damage to the camshaft and phaser dowel pin area, and that usually takes a long time of ignoring the codes and noise. So if it just started, while it's always safe to inspect, that's highly unlikely.
Ive watched your video a dozen times until I fully understood the procedure. I have a 4.6L in my 2009 expidition, its no secret that the phasers get worn out at 100k miles. Question: What is the benifits of phaser lockouts ? rather than installing new phasers ? Thank you again for posting this video, its detailed instructions are perfect for the do it yourself person and I look forward to your reply.
+Silicon Valley Engineer Replacing the phaser actually doesn't address anything in regards to the failure point in this system. The phasers operate off of oil pressure supplied by the engine. When these engines wear, and age oil pressure naturally drops. Because of this, the phaser no longer has sufficient oil pressure to operate correctly. Now, the oil pressure is plenty to still operate the rest of the engine safely, but not feed the high demand of the phaser. The reason you see people claim that replacing the phasers helped is that you have a brand new part with zero wear on it, so it's operating at maximum efficiency, but since it has to pick up the slack for the rest of the engine it can fail within hours again. This is why our lockout is the only permanent fix for the phaser system.
@@garywalker2575 thats crazy. You got robbed. It in no way takes that long. But I can see shops charging that. Best to do it yourself. May take you 1 hours per side if your being slow and safe.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Hi. I was wondering, does installing this delete make the timing chain and system last longer ? Is the engine less sensitive to low oil pressure ? Will engines with deletes last longer with less trouble and why ? Thanks
@@mvd4436 Typically speaking the timing chain system takes a beating when the phaser system fails as the shock load is being absorbed 100% by the chain and guides/tensioners. so eliminating this issue puts less stress on those items. It is also less sensitive to oil pressure changes as the VCT system requires a substantial amount of volume to work properly. the engines themselves as a whole don't necessarily last any longer, but the oil/timing systems do, reducing the need to replace them. so as much as we would like to tell you that it would be directly responsible for the engine lasting longer, the engine itself, if you constantly changed those failure points, would last a long life. But, since you are having to replace those items less frequently, it helps life for those items.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Thanks for the answer. One more question. Since you guys have seen your fair share of Fords... When you lock out a 2004 or newer Triton , does it become as reliable as an old 2 valve Triton generally speaking ? Im looking for a truck and I never had problems with 2 valve Tritons. But the phasers are almost pushing me to buy a Chevy. If the locked out 3 valve is close to as good as a 2 valve, I'll just buy a good used Ford and send it to the shop to get locked out right away.
@@mvd4436 We feel it is, the only issue left is spark plugs on the pre 08 engines, but just changing them every so often is a big part of if you will have issues. But to be fair, 2v engines had their own spark plug issues too.
Wouldn't this cause error codes to be thrown by the check engine light??? Seems like this is a cheap hack but not the way to go long run. Just my two cents.
For what reason would you want to lock the cam phasers out? I know they are a weak point on this engine. Would doing this cause a loss in power and efficiency? Or would it not make much difference? A friend of mine has a 03 F150 with this engine. She's replaced the chains & the phasers in her truck. That truck doesn't get great mileage to begin with and it runs great. Hers is 4wd. Gets about 16 mpg. Probably 19 - 20 freeway.
The reason it to permanently eliminate the possibility of phaser failed which could cause severe engine damage. Most people report better power and economy over failed phasers.
do you have to set the engine timing to a exact position to take the load off the cam before removing the chain? i would be concerned that the cam would want to move due to the valve springs to an unloaded position.
Mike Brennan Mike,If you would like, we could email you a set of directions so you can gauge the difficulty level yourself. Please email is at info@livernoismotorsports.com
On mustang 4.6.. When you are torqueing the phaser bolt to 30 ft/lbs then you do the additional 90 degree is it fine that I did the additional 90 degree with my brother holding the engine with a breaker bar so it won't be able to spin or is that over torqueing
+ratcamaro Very true. That's how these started their life back in 2005 when the mustang first used the 3v engine design. We determined before anyone else how to address this and why its necessary. Our own 2005 mustang that graced the front page of motor trend magazine featured our lockouts even.
Search Results Featured snippet from the web Designed to be an affordable alternative to expensive engine repairs, the cam phaser lockout kit fits Ford Triton V8 engines with 3-valves produced between 2004 and 2014. ... "Lock" the cam phasers into one position, ending the rattling problem and preventing future damage.
I did the cam phaser lockout on my 5.4 L three valve, and had a question about it. Once the lock outs are in, is there any reason why the spring and plate on the back of the phaser still need to be there? i’m not a motor engineer, but I do have a solid engineering background it seems like the outer plate is mostly there to provide centrifugal force that shifts the internals. Once the phaser is locked, does it need to spring at all?
Why did the cam shaft have to be locked into place? Other videos ive seen said the cam shaft will move when phaser is moved how do you get it to where it wont?
So question, I read that locking out the phaser will lock it in the full advanced position. Don't we have a kit that will set the cam at zero degrees so there's no issues?
Jeannette, do you mean you have two trucks? Or are you asking if you need to install this in both phasers? If two trucks are what you are referring to, then you need 2 complete kits. If you are asking about if you need to install the lockouts into both phasers of one truck, the answer is yes.
got my phaser out in the vise. i have the one long bolt style of phaser 04 150. spun my rear cover out of the way on the phaser. my aluminum lock out blocks all go in to easy. i dont have to push the block in all 5 positions. two positions are way loose i wont install in two of them for sure. other 3 dont need force to install. just pick the best one?
+MrMus TangMan They are ticking because they have lost control of motion due to a reduction in oil pressure. The noise is emanating from the 5 vanes quite literally smacking the built in stops in the phaser since the motion is completely uncontrollable
Since you never used the tuning device in the kit during the video is it necessary and could the kit be sold without it for several hundred dollars less since it is just a couple small pieces of metal and a hunk of plastic? It is very expensive and seems much like price gouging. Make it affordable and you may sell alot. At $700 for that kit for me it is not even an option
The recalibration of the computer is a 100% necessary part of this repair. Without it, not only will it have a check engine light, but it will also run in a default mode, and have poor drivablity. I apologize that you feel the price is not fair, but we have a tremendous amount of r+d time, as well as CARB EO status, and is fully patented due to it's unique design.
awesome video thanks guys ! quick question do you guys do the install kit as well i have almost 190k and starting to hear the chattering whats it gonna run me to fix it before i have to replace the motor ?
QUESTION...Do you recommend putting lockouts in brand new phasers? I'm waiting on my new parts from the U.S. to come in. My Ford phaser was out 90° causing a really bad idel then a crank no start. Thanks 🇨🇦 F150 5.4 L 3V 2006
im not super sure but i have seen a lot of articles/forum posts/ videos about this specific issue with ford engines. i think that piece doesnt perform as designed and causes the chain its affixed to to either under perform or over perform against the engines performance. which wares the part out over time.
So I got to thinking on this whole cam phaser issue on the 5.4L . So wouldn't just getting a new torque bolt fix the issue for another 100k? I know the lick out is a more permanent fix but it seems like the bolt getting out of torque because of the design flaw is biggest prob and may stay good after replacement for 100plus miles. I'd be fine with that for a $10 part.
Technology on the Beach No, the phasers lose control due to reduced oil pressure that naturally happens as the engine ages and wears. The phaser itself, along with the timing drive, and fasteners have nothing, or at least very little to do with this phenomenon. That's why replacing the entire drive system with new components maybe lasts for 1-15k miles before happening again.
I'm experiencing a loud buzz and slight power loss and when we ran a scanner tool over the truck it pointed us toward the right cam phaser. Is this what is most likely causing the issue? We can hear the chain knocking slightly on the right side but just wanted to be sure. Is this What sensors should l replace while doing this? I know the tuner deletes the two on the valve cover but are there anymore? Will I experience better fuel economy with this kit?
Steve Moon II This kit definitely helps out all of the issues related to a failed cam phaser. Whether power, fuel economy, or noise related. It does not delete any of the sensors though, nor does it need replacing of any.
Good video. One added comments I feel is important- don't drive your Fords if you are hearing phaser noise. If you do, you'll be causing a catastrophic failure in a short time. Stop and do this fix.
I have a 2006 Mustang GT as a code of peas 0012 I changed the cams to comp cams and now that code won't go away.. I've tried a number of things including camshaft phase or lockouts that code still comes up I'm questioning maybe my brand new chain tension or or possibly the oil pump itself not enough pressure?? Timing chain Fraser's guides are all supposed to be new?
Unfortunately there is far too much going on to diagnose by description. It could be calibration related, spring pressure related, actual cam timing related, damaged sensor, etc.
Hello. I plan on replacing my phasers, roller followers and lash adjusters. Now when i take the phasers off can i pull my cam shaft out and just simply lift the followers out and just put new ones back in place?
Yes, you can swap the old followers and lash adjusters out for new ones by removing the camshafts. They should be close enough to maintain the correct lash spec on the engine.
Awesome vid! Excellent instructions and proceedures. Now I'm sorry about my ignorance. I think I may need to do this by can you explain in what case would I implement doing this?? Thanks in advance!!!
This is a great solution for any Ford 3V modular engine that has started to have a phaser knock, or cam/crank correlation codes, or cam over advance/over retarded codes.
These are actually imbalanced in stock form, and their location helps improve this. However, you're talking about true rotating centrifugal mass, versus reciprocating. So the small weight difference, small diameter, and relatively low speeds make it all a non-issue anyway.
for being thorough, while the spring isn't needed anymore, having it there is technically less modification than removing it. so we chose the least disruptive path.
Esto se usa para eliminar el sistema de engranes de la cadena de tiempo que es lo que sale mal en estos motores supuesta mentioned esto tiene que aser la maquina más confiable
This permanently fixes it, as replacing the phaser doesn't address the cause of the problem. Loss of oil pressure is the main reason these lose control of the vct system.
@@LivernoisMotorsports but it doesn’t actually “fix” anything. The problem is that the 5.4 3v has notoriously low oil pressure over time and you’ve done nothing to fix the ACTUAL problem when you could’ve easily changed the oil pump while you had access to it doing this job. 🤷🏻♂️
@@joebenny The oil pump itself isn't typically the loss of oil pressure. This is natural bearing wear and tolerance increases over time. Since the oiling system has beyond enough volume and pressure to safely operate all aspects of the engine outside of the vct system, this method allows for customers to potentially add hundreds of thousands of miles of added use to their engine. Meanwhile, our #1 source for sales is from shops, dealers, engine builders, and customers that have wasted thousands of dollars replacing the entirety of the timing drive and oiling system, to have it fail again in as little as a few days.
I live in texas dallas area im looking for someone who can fix the cam phaser noise on my 05 expedition runs perfectly smooth lots of power just the noise gets on my nerves
I live close to this place in Rochester Michigan I would do mine tomorrow already got a price quoted for livernois to do them only thing they got a waiting list told me be at lest 3 months before I could get in their shop
Do you also stock the timing chain tensioners or recommend a certain brand, and what oil pump do you recommend ? Also do you recommend a new timing chain? vehicle has 170,000
we always use brand new production Ford components if we ever replace any of these. At higher mileage, replacing items like timing guides, oil pump, tensioners, and chains are always a good idea.
Well I would have purchased this kit before my 3 valve out of my ‘04 F150 bit the dust because of these phasers. Can I replace it with a 2 valve engine instead?
you need to get them into their properly timed position as the video demonstrates, the exact position will vary based on the version of phasers and chains you have.
The phaser on the 5.4 2007 F150 I just pulled apart has all the same length bolts in the phaser. Do I have to do anything different when installing the locks? There is no long bolt holding the spring.
Other than making certain you orient it properly when going back together, no. Just pay special attention to the disassembly process as you will not have the long bolt to reference.
I have that noise. Is it necessary to change the phasers or just put the lockouts in the old phasers. Car has 209,000 miles but is still running fine,just that sound
Typically no, you will need to inspect it to ensure there is no damage to the portion that attaches to the camshaft, but we designed this system to both prevent, and repair a phaser failure.
I own a 2010 f-150 with a 4.6 3v engine. Could I run a new cam after installing this? the specific cam will be the Brenspeed Detroit Rocker. Also I see you have the option for the performance tune. is it worth the added cost in your opinion seeing you can no longer use a modified tune.
