Can Sweetgum be used to make DIY Tamiflu?

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Some say that the Shikimic acid extracted from Sweetgum fruit can be used as a DIY Tamiflu® substitute. But, is there any validity to this flu remedy claim? Are sweetgum balls truly medicinal or is it just a myth? Join us in the FIRST video of the Herban Myths series and we'll find out!
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0:00 - Introduction to the Myth
1:14 - How does Tamiflu® work?
2:42 - Form is Function
4:15 - Synthesis of Tamiflu®
4:52 - Helpful Metaphors
6:10 - Conclusion and Further Considerations
Full podcast episode exploring this subject and the history of Sweetgum use:
herbanmythsandmedicine.com/202...
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@FeralForaging 3 года назад

We recorded a whole podcast episode that goes way in depth on this subject including the history of use of Sweetgum! Check it out here -> herbanmythsandmedicine.com/2021/01/can-sweetgum-be-used-to-make-diy-tamiflu/

@theherbalashpot4194 2 года назад

as a soon to be naturopathic medical doctor and clinical herbslist, love your perspective. my granny used this among other botanicals to keep us healthy. sweet gum was one of them. however; I love hearing people give information to have a person to do their own research and think for themselves. ❤️

@FeralForaging 2 года назад

That's what we're all about. :) Glad you enjoyed the video.

@Erenm Год назад

That's beautiful! Which parts of the tree did she use?

@FeralForaging 3 года назад

We really hope you find this information helpful. Please help us to share it so we can bring the myth-busting to more people! And don't forget to read the very in-depth companion article! feralforaging.com/herban-myths-debunked-sweetgum-shikimic-acid-and-tamiflu/ 😀

@WoodlandCravings 3 года назад

Wow! I wish all herbal medicine education was like this. Stellar work! Keep it up!

@FeralForaging 3 года назад

Thank you so much! I would love to see more like this too! Here's to hoping that it will inspire others to educate in this way. :D

@bradlafferty 3 месяца назад

Really appreciate you and your partner’s research and superbly presented findings. You have consistently produced quality content. I am so pleased to have found your channel. Looking forward to more. Thanks.

@FeralForaging 3 месяца назад

Glad you like them! We're going to make a separate channel soon dedicated to topics like this. :D

@bradlafferty 2 месяца назад

Great! Looking forward to it!

@jett888 2 года назад

One of my favorite Books of all time is Dr John Christophers- a big yellow book that he wrote- he is a Master Herbalist. In 2003' i had a stage IV cancer- i walked out my doctors - did my searching for information- applied it- and was cancer free in less than 3 months. WE ALL have the ability to Heal! I love nature and all that has been provided for us. Use it!! I have yet to return to any doctor for my healing needs. ( acute/emergency Humpty Dumpty type of services are the only type of allopathic treatment we need- in my opinion)

@mj.l Год назад

lol

@mamamacgyver5401 3 года назад

Wow! Great explanation. Thank you for putting SO much time effort and research into your videos. I’m binge watching them.

@FeralForaging 3 года назад

You are very welcome! I'm glad you liked it. :)

@shaunahill8401 3 года назад

I can't wait for part 2! I had just collected the fruit from my Sweetgum tree and made tincture, but want to learn more before I decide whether or not use it. Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough explanation of the science behind how it might work.

@FeralForaging 3 года назад

Absolutely, that was pretty much the position I was in which eventually led me to making this video! :D Glad you enjoyed it.

@jsprunger6246 Год назад

The seed pods of the sweetgum looks like a flu virus

@venidamcdaniel1913 Год назад

Very informative. Great job.

@FeralForaging Год назад

Glad it was helpful!

@dianaflower733 3 года назад

Splendid video!

@FeralForaging 3 года назад

Diana Flower thanks!

@ashleeaustin358 3 года назад

Wow so the dreaded spikey gumballs might have other uses besides reminding us to where shoes! Lol 😆 in all seriousness though, I love gumballs!

@FeralForaging 2 года назад

Unfortunately, I don't think they do! The video explains it all.

@ashleeaustin358 2 года назад

@@FeralForaging yeah, haha I made this post before I watched the video! Lol 😆

@robogecko8928 3 года назад

very informative

@FeralForaging 3 года назад

Thanks!

@BomarBuilds 2 дня назад

Is it possible that the body changes the sweet gum tincture in a way that makes it work line Tama flu? Could it be that it's different and works different for the same results.

@michelesmith7508 Год назад

What's the chemical compound difference for this and star anise, which is the main ingredient in tamiflu. Both of these contain shikimic acid. Is the tamiflu compound including all the ingredients that is used to create it? Does it include the capsule compounds in it, also? Have you added the alcohol with this and then looked at the chemical compound?

@FeralForaging Год назад

Hi Michele, these are good questions. Sweetgum contains shikimic acid this is the same as star anise as you referenced, however, at the end you state "which is the main ingredient in tamiflu" and this is where the misconception comes from. Tamiflu is the name for the chemical oseltamivir phosphate. It is the only component of Tamiflu (outside of inactive components like the capsule as you stated). I don't have the tools to see the results of mixing alcohol and shikimic acid, but I would guess the result would be mainly alcohol and shikimic acid. As we demonstrated in the video the process of synthesizing oseltamivir phosphate from the starting material is very involved with many steps. If you're interested in learning more about this, our article goes into even more depth than the video (and discussed true traditional use experiments that I conducted). feralforaging.com/herban-myths-debunked-sweetgum-shikimic-acid-and-tamiflu/ Also, I made this short video which I think explains the shikimic acid - oseltamivir relationship a little clearer -> ru-vid.comErbQkFNsj1Y?feature=share Let me know if that clears it up!

@larryharrison2766 Год назад

How about hbc46

@kr4dh4x0r Год назад

I just found you guys the other day, you have an awesome channel and I hope you continue to make more videos.

@woodworkingandepoxy643 Год назад

I absolutely hated them things growing up. They really put a hurting on your feet

@annemaried1660 3 года назад

May I ask if this tree grows in upstate NY?

@FeralForaging 3 года назад

I believe that is a bit too far north for its native range, however I believe that sometimes they are planted ornamentally.

@feralgentleman7164 2 года назад

Plenty of them growing wild down in the Hudson Valley

@BeeGeey 7 месяцев назад

I work in pharma, and used to work for the company that makes tamiflu. I love this very simple and easy to understand breakdown of why sweetgum can not be used as a diy tamiflu. This was very good.

@jeffreywhittington8447 Год назад

This is using only the theory that…. Form means function….. there has to be a chemical examination to the testing

@FeralForaging Год назад

To some degree, yes, I can agree with that. That being said form to function is a pretty solid predictor of drug action as this article investigates (towardsdatascience.com/the-shape-of-chemical-functions-d1e1568d020). I would turn the question to ask, why should we do a functional examination of shikimic acid, a very common chemical in science? Why would drug companies spend thousands of dollars synthesizing shikimic acid into oseltamivir if they could just extract and sell the shikimic acid in its initial scaffolding. There is no indication that it would really do anything and the traditional uses of Sweetgum don't support the shikimic acid theory either. Drug discovery companies often use traditional uses as a beginning motivation for further chemical studies. If one is interested in the actual traditionally supported uses of Sweetgum (there are many!) we have a whole section devoted to it in our article. (feralforaging.com/herban-myths-debunked-sweetgum-shikimic-acid-and-tamiflu/) One more note that I'll add is that according to recent studies, there is a strong potential of shikimic acid as an external antimicrobial against staph infections. If one was interested in the use of shikimic acid, I would pursue that line of interest myself! Hope this adds more context.

@luisgallegos1265 3 года назад

Major problem with your analysis. Petri dish experiments are never what actually occurs in our body when we take a substance. Hence, this is not debunked.

@FeralForaging 3 года назад

Luis, you are absolutely correct! What you bring up is the distinction between in vitro and in vivo analysis which is indeed important! Could you be more specific about what "this" is when you say "this" is not debunked? As we mention in the video-there is further exploration required that we didn't cover completely in this Part 1 video. However it is thoroughly covered in the article and podcast episode!

@danno5805 2 года назад

Funny how anything good for you gets " debunked "....

@FeralForaging 2 года назад

Oh, don't get me wrong. Sweetgum is definitely still good for you and traditionally supported! This video was on the very specific shikimic acid claim.

@danno5805 2 года назад

@@FeralForaging 👍

@vegasprepperone 3 дня назад

I love gay guys with speech impediments

@Lifeguard102 Год назад

Awful video. No answer after 7 min of forking around by two kids. Still , No answer. Waste of time video.

@FeralForaging Год назад

The traditional uses of Sweetgum include: inner bark, resin, and leaves. This is supported by both the herbalist Tommie Bass and the native people who worked with Sweetgum for generations. It's a wonderful tree with lots of uses. Hope this helps! Wanting to make a full video on this soon, but am a bit behind on that.

@mj.l Год назад

Awful comment. No point after two lines of forking around by some miserable geriatric. Still , No point. Waste of time comment.

@jett888 Год назад

@@FeralForaging but on what is it used? For what symptoms?