Can You Beat Pokemon Red/Blue with Just an Oddish? 

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This comment is totally Yellow bro.

@@AnotherSeeker this is a new slang

@@neonthunder3261 thats pretty fetch slang

And again, PIDGEY is as bad as Zubat. Seriously, that thing is atrocious and we all know it.

How bout DAT Weedle eh

@@N12015 STAB Double-Edge and Fly vs. non-STAB Double-Edge and no Fly. Mega Drain doesn't compensate for that. Zubat is worse.

@@jordanthejq12 on the other hand, supersonic

Tangella gotta be on that tier as well

I was playing WoW and when I heard that line I immediately thought to myself ,"somethings wrong I can feel it"

Koga scrying through his crystal ball: "This bodes well."

Good old bide glitch. If you use a non-damaging attack during bide, it’ll use the damage if the last used damage attack.

@@TheHadMatters now that's funny.

I nearly died laughing at that

Gen 1's mechanics are so wild that I'm learning new stuff about it all the time. And I've been a fan since 1999!

I found this out on showdown lol

r/todayilearned

From a design perspective, Sleep-moves having guarenteed effect on Pokémon that are recharging makes *_perfect_* sense. It working even when the Pokémon is already Burned/Paralyzed/Frozen is unfair competitively, but still makes sense mechanically.

Don’t you also do extra damage with stomp after the target uses minimize?

Also this came out right after Toy Story.

Not quite. "You're X years away from Y" is a fairly common Japanese expression. The kid here is misunderstanding both the meaning of a lightyear and the ability of you as a trainer. It's one of those phrases that doesn't translate well, more akin to saying "you're far too green to challenge Brock".

@@Gunsbeerfreedom87 in the remakes he says "wait a second, light years measures distance, not time!" after you beat him, so I always thought it was supposed to educate the player about the term.

@Formor Immington Yeah, I knew he realized the mistake as some point. But yeah, the line is there to demonstrate his ignorance and hubris.

Still, “lightyears away from facing Brock” is accidentally impressive. “Years away from facing Brock” is cliche in Japanese tropes, “lightyears away” implies a human-to-god distance away from beating Brock. Of course since he is an easily beaten trainer and it’s a Japan game “years away” was meant, but lightyears away is so impressive I can see why we let it be.

Well Lance should of just stopped spamming barrier and agility then lol

@@33dbz He then got a better strat and started spaming full restores.

@@33dbz he can't help it, he has "Good" AI syndrome

@@isaacleillhikar4566 Funny is always how the champion of the league can only afford two potions, and doesn't even have a revive or the like. I mean either you don't use items at all because your the champion. Or you should drown your enemies in items and cheat like a boss.

@@JustaGuy_Gaming He used up all his items on the elite 4, he wasn't expecting a challenger to appear before Prof. Oak.

You sir, are on point, i suggest to switch name to Sure Surely, dead on.

How do you reconcile with these kind of _50% chance for all the bad lead up and 5% chance for the final good thing?_ how do you count it? 50% luck against you? 45% luck against you? 2.5% luck against you?

@@xXJ4FARGAMERXx what the hell are you trying to say?

@@ypob2007 He's asking if, in a situation such as "A 50% chance this happens and we lose and have to reset, or a 5% chance THIS happens and we win and can move on," does JRose count that as being a 50% chance to win, a 95% chance to lose, or a 5% chance to win? Basically, does JRose look at it with the best sounding numbers, for the sake of his own mental health, or does he look at it with the smaller, more scrutinized outlook, in order to face the bad luck with a readied approach? If that even makes sense lol.

@@HollandTHG i still understood nothing lol, he didn’t phrase it very well, although it is very hard to phrase math stuff. But from what I understood: If there’s a 50% chance of losing, a 5% of winning, and a 45% of nothing happening (neutral), does jrose see that as a good, bad or neutral win rate?

It’s hilarious how these things work out

Weedle: allow me to introduce myself

Porygon is kinda OP for this run - very fun one to start with

@@michabaron4129 op?

@@guessowii over powered

Over powered?

i remember the first time i finally got one, it was So difficult to get i had convinced myself it was going to be an amazing Pokemon.🤦‍♂️ Needless to say it wasn't "all that and a bag of chips." Basically just had a move that none of the other Pokemon had and it wasn't even that strong, still i was happy to have finally gotten it. 😄👍

I already know I’ll love this video.

He didn’t even sing the last note. I’m malding.

@@HypeWrecks I think if he had sang “I will put the theme song here and if I don’t they’ll cry” utilizes every note. 😅

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Giggled hard.

That made me laugh so hard I swear. I love the snark.

@@henrymars6626 I woulda cried if it wasn't in there tho frfr

@@YungAcorn I swear I'm the only one here that hates that jingle! I always make a playlist of these videos to fall asleep to because they're so chill (I'm sure there's a word for that that doesn't make me sound like a 12 year old, but whatevs. See? I did it again!), but I always wake up because that part is so much louder than everything else. So apparently I don't even hate the theme song, I just hate amateurs trying their hand at sound mixing...? Welp, I just learned something new about myself, thank you for accompanying me on this journey :)

I didn't hear it. When did the jingle play?

@@idontwantahandlethough I feel you so hard on this, holy moly.

I like to think he's so extremely upset that he's experiencing an overflow glitch and his brain is at negative anger levels.

@@penguinlad19 so what you're saying is if jrose gets happier we are at risk of a civ 4 Gandhi nuclear event

... you are aware it's a voice-over?

​@@miqvPL I'm pretty sure every time someone watches the video jrose stops whatever he's doing to personally narrate whats happening

@@cyphate When we rewind him, we remind time. Can't believe people don't know that. ...must have something to do with not being a Celebi or Dialga.

It baffles me that Pokémon Showdown got the Gen 1 experience to a t.

@@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis They didn’t. They auto set 252 SpD EVs in the Import/Export when you make a Gen I mon and it actually affects their Special in battles unless you edit it down to 3 or less.

We're this far into the series and still finding new Gen 1 glitches.

@mayborneflower Thank you for the explanation, I tried to translate it but your sentence is too complex for my poor english. Could you either give me a link explaning in detail this glitch or rephrasing it ? Would help me to get it ! Thank to anyone doing it :D

@@hobbitdur1001 When you use the move BIDE you get two to three turns of storing damage then you give that back and some more. If and when your opponent hits you the FIRST round but not the SECOND round, you take the damage from the FIRST round and ADD that on your SECOND round. You don't add ZERO. OP then said "better to attack two times because you will take damage as if you did that anyways".

Wouldn't say its completely oddly soothing, personally. It makes sense. But in a way, I guess it's oddish.

Can't believe this isn't the top comment 😄 had to go back and rewatch it 😂

sooo good

WhT theme bit?

@@MazterP28 40 seconds in he does a joke over his typical theme intro.

Same here 😂😂

And he's right, I would've cried

You sum it up pretty well. I am so happy that I discovered him in 2020. And his English is so easy to understand for Germans. Love it.

@@jabolosdex1041 Ich schlaf zu dem ein xD

@@skilly114 Ich könnte es mir nie verzeihen, wenn ich Rival Fival verpassen würde oder den Count ;)

yeah jrose is awesome. brings me back to when i was 12 years old just watching playthroughs of pokemon done in weird ways

His videos bring me back to 20 years ago when I was playing Pokémon Blue on my sister's Gameboy Colour or watching my friend play it on hers. Those were the days. :)

A little gloomy. But his plumage is fantastic

Bro 😂😂😂😂 "put the theme song here if I don't they'll cry"

@@drew4126 I was cracking up at that part. 💀

@@AT-il2ej Bruh like have you seen those petals dance?!

ooo that would be sick. Idk why, but I absolutely love all the "lifesteal" moves in pokemon, but they were always kinda lackluster imo. I know Giga -chad- drain was good, but it had pretty low PP if i remember correctly. I haven't played in quite a few generations, do you know if there are any newer decent drain moves? Or any non-grass drain moves? Dream Eater counts, I suppose, and it was pretty awesome (although kinda finicky with the sleep req) Edit: also, you are saying that apparently Growth helps? I assume that just raises special attack, right? Last time I played pokemon I didn't usually bother with non-damaging moves cause I thought they were a waste lolol. I was not a smart kid.

@@idontwantahandlethough leech life is way stronger in the newer games (it's 20 base power in gens 1-6, and got boosted to 80 in gen 7), so it's a pretty good hp draining move there

@@idontwantahandlethough Since Gen V, Giga Drain has had a respectable 75 BP and 10 PP, restoring half its user's health. Same for Horn Leech (Giga Drain, but physical) and Drain Punch (physical Fighting-type attack). Oblivion Wing, Yveltal's signature move, is an 80 BP Flying-type special move with 10 PP, restoring a whopping 75% of damage dealt to its user. Draining Kiss is a Fairy-type special attack that restores a similar proportion, but with only 50 BP.

@@idontwantahandlethough I just love lifesteal in general. Every rpg I play, I gravitate towards lifesteal builds.

I swear me to

I was just arriving home from a forest bath when the notification popped up. technology break is over, time for jrose.

Dm me I'm not a bot ...I swear I'm not a bot .. what r u doing ...don't hit the spam button ...no wait ...WAIT PLEASE ...let's talk this out ...ok good ...so look I know right now times are tough but I have this amazing bridge out in the hamptons I'm trying to sell...wait No no NOOOOO don't gooo don't lock me up again please I'm begging u I'll be good AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ....dm me u won

its more cliche to spell cliche with the é like that

What about mimic agility n teach takedown over swords dance for final rival

Same. I'm so glad he got an editor. He said before he wouldn't, but I'm glad he did, haven't noticed any change in style or quality.

@@vbph2011 I came here to say the same thing. Zero drop off in quality and it’s way less likely he experiences burnout this way.

@@AndrooTheNerd yeah I actually went back and watched allll of his other videos (2x speed). The thing surprised me the most was how many videos he did without Agatha lottery, rival fival, count impression, etc. Absolutely no difference between the bulbasaur run and this run (besides just getting better at making vids)

Not to mention the lack of Leech Seed for recovery and Razor Leaf for easy crits (yes even with that speed stat) really hurts it.

The Junior Trainer does not say that additional thing in this version. That was added to the remake to hang a lampshade on his line. Regarding what you say in the second paragraph 100%. People never seem to recognize that just because your Pokémon behave a certain way that doesn't mean that us a universal constant in this world.

I always figured that the player's pokemon gaining experience as quickly and constantly as they do was due to the player being a talented trainer. Like other trainers reach a hard cap with their levels due to not battling as much or training as well so you are an anomaly. Would explain why everybody comments on how well-trained they are.

@@steeldragon95 Yeah in universe your pokemon don't just get buff from slapping caterpies around all day, having a team of fully evolved powerful pokemon is evidence of skill, dedication and hard work. Obviously, the main characters are very gifted and are able to help their pokemon grow more effectively than most other people.

@@tinkerer3399 What are you talking about? In Pokemon Red/Blue, the very version being played in this video, the Junior Trainer's dialogue is as follows: Before battle: Stop right there, kid! You're still light years from facing Brock! Upon defeat: Darn! Light years isn't time! It measures distance! In Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green, the only change is that he says "ten-thousand light years" instead of just "light years". Otherwise the dialogue is identical. In both versions, the intent of his dialogue is that he's saying it'll be a very long time before you stand a chance in a battle against Brock. And then the after-battle dialogue has him realizing that he screwed up and accidentally used a term for distance instead of time. It's... a really simple joke.

Before watching the run, i saw oddish' learnset and thought the same. Acid would be better than double-edge

Cut or Acid might have worked well not sure about Cut though.

Acid gets STAB, so it's 60% of Double Edge's power, with no recoil. Probably the better move right up to Bruno.

@@oliverleonard7730 Cut makes that you have to rely on SDance Cut throughout the final part of the game, which is tricky. But it might be good enough. It is highly likely that Acid is better after Sabrina, with only Giovanni being slightly annoying with Acid, I'd assume. I don't know if Acid would be useful against Agatha, because her Ghost mons resist it 4x. They still have poor defense though.

@@hurrayor Sleep Powder/Acid/Sword Dance/Petal Dance was my set until Agatha, where I learnt Mimic in the place of Petal Dance. And I learnt Mega Drain instead of Mimic for the rival. (Giovanni is a joke with Petal Dance)

I guess Bellsprout gets slightly better mileage out of Swords Dance + Double Edge, though that's not very sustainable unless it gets to heal up via Mega Drain

That's because modern society is filled with mental illness.

Rip diglett’s

With that and switching the use times of “take down” and “double edge”, I think this run could be a bit easier towards the end

You can do minimum battles with Butterfree though its really hard. I've done it twice. I can't wait to see Jrose use it.

@@willpat3040 he already did Butterfree a few weeks ago and he did Weedle a month ago and it didn't go well

Thats why i always train one up in a playthrough for an early psychic move, at least until i get a better psychic pokemon or another one entirely

To me, any pokemon that can learn pedal dance is awesome. It's such a cool move

Couldn't agree more!

This absolutely

Gigachad comment

@@chops3905 I’m going to consider this a compliment even though I’m not sure 😂❤️

I'm inclined to agree with you. There's a point where you have to wonder if it's actually bad luck vs just a number of points where things can be lost.

While you do have a point, there are some exceptions to consider. Specifically the odds of some of the consecutive situations. Getting hit by Fire Spin? A bit unlucky, but common. 85% accuracy with no external factors influencing it (like boosted or lowered accuracy or evasion) means its more likely to hit than to miss. Getting hit by 2 Fire Spins is, again, not inherently unlucky just because if you're doing enough battles, its bound to happen eventually. But getting hit by Fire Spin twice in a row? Not quite as likely. 70% chance twice isn't good. Getting hit by Fire Spin 3 times in a row? Even less likely. I counted 4 in a row there, he said 5, another comment I saw says 6. Even just 4 isn't likely. 0.7*0.7*0.7*0.7 is only 24%. On top of that, its only the calculation for Fire Spin to hit. Champion Blue has Good AI, and thus will pick a super-effective move, and has Fire Blast and Fire Spin, meaning he has a 50:50 chance of either one. So technically speaking, getting hit by 4 Fire Spins in a row is 0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7, or only a 1.5% chance of happening. Now, technically the fact that it chose Fire Spin 4 times instead of ever picking Fire Blast is good luck, since Fire Blast has slightly higher accuracy and much higher damage, but even so, getting hit by 4 Fire Spins in a row is pretty low odds. And that's just one example. He also has a low crit chance, at only 6%, and while he's definitely using enough attacks throughout a playthrough that he's guaranteed a few critical hits even with Oddish, the odds of getting so many during the end game is not very high. Again, 6%, or 3 of every 50 attacks, not including status moves since they can't crit. He definitely got more than that in the end game. Again, with how much he plays, the odds are skewed. Oddish fought a lot, and even him resetting still counts towards the probability of these events happening, so he'll definitely get a few crits, and he definitely missed some things that were actually good luck, as well as not realizing how lucky he was with sleep sometimes (though its really not that lucky from what I saw. 1-7 turns, missing the turn you wake, means odds increasing by 1/7 every turn its asleep, starting with zero and finishing with 100%, so there's a 1/7 chance they wake up second turn, 2/7 third turn, which means 2-3 turns isn't too unlikely, and I don't recall him getting the longer ones very often). The bad luck isn't so much it happening at all, the 1/256 glitch is low odds but still almost guaranteed once per run with just how much battling he has to do. The bad luck is it all happening in the same run, and for the stuff that could happen at any point in the run, having it happen a lot more in the end game than the early game. Some of these were quite literally like flipping a coin 30 times and getting 24 heads. Not impossible, but really, really unlikely, and really bad whenever you call tails.

Furthermore, when evaluating your own bad luck, there's a tendency to evaluate only the specific situation that fainted you, not every ordering of those events that would have also fainted you. Is it unlucky that the AI picked certain move X at random and it landed, or were there other more accurate moves that could also have been picked and KO'd Oddish? Not only that, but the 'situation' involves multiple repeats. Missing two sleeps row is 'unlucky', unless you're putting many, many pokemon to sleep - in which case it is *expected* that a percentage of them will not be put to sleep within two turns. That compounds the point about the reliance this run had on 70-85 accuracy moves.

In a game where everything is luck based every so often you're going to get stuff that's just absolutely ridiculous. See Werster lol

Yeah, he really likes abusing statistics, pointing out the odds of specific events happening when, with his setup, there were a lot of ways for things to go wrong and only a few ways for things to go right. A low speed pokemon with sleep powder and takedown isn't really doing much to encourage good luck.

If they're using one Pokemon the whole time I can't imagine they don't have max EVs by then, right? How useful will vitamins be at that point?

@@Lord_necromancer In gen 3 and up, EVs can be maxed out pretty quickly because it only takes 510 pokemon at most to be at your limit. A lot of mons give 2 or 3, so it'll be a lot less in practice. Gen 1 and 2 stat experience can go up to 65535, though 63504 to max out a given stat, but you can max them all and you only get a Pokemon's base stat in a category for knocking it out. The very quickest you could max one would be knocking out 255 Chanseys to max HP. Looking at average pokemon stats, it takes over 1000 Pokemon to max out your stat Exp, which I'm pretty sure is more than every trainer in the game combined has, so you would need to grind a ton against wild Pokemon to finish.

Didn't think I get to see Scott referenced in an JRose video

@@RPFM333 And why not :) The guy rose up in popularity since he does so much awesome work on those games. They both deserve admiration. And for this vid Jrose deserves a plushie and some hot cocoa and a blanket, too... Poor guy.

@@karotconcarne3325 oh nono, don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of both of them, they're basically my only feed in youtube rn, it's just I didn't expected it to be another one who watches and admire them both

And both do painful runs this week.

@@RPFM333 they are both awesome and have way more patience than I do for these runs.

What's the joke?

@@rand5106 He said Surge was too pitiful to be a Lieutenant and he should be a lower rank. That’s why he started to call him Ensign Surge.

Would have worked with them being mandrakes

There should've been way more type variety in gen 1. Why would they introduce monotype gym leaders without there being at least 5 or 6 pokemon of each type? Hell for Bruno he even had Poliwrath and Primeape to put on his team but they gave him two onixes anyway.

@@EresirThe1st couldn't agree more. Posting a challenge video about this soon.

Pretty sure the whole point of the E4 in gen 1 was to give them basically the rarest types. There were 3 dragons, 3 ghosts, 5 ice types and 8 fighting types because somethingsomething rare = strong. Ofc doesn't do diddly to explain the two onixes, but yeah, pretty sure that's the reason.@@EresirThe1st

The quadrility of Pyschic, Thunderbolt, Icebeam and Surf should kill just about everything in the game. No Agatha lottery. No BS Lance. Bruno is toast. Worst fights are probably against normal types like Kangaskan, Jinx or other psychic types. Which good AI will make them not use psychic moves against you.

@@FinalCataclsym Staryu is actually pure water so good AI wouldn't avoid psychic moves.

@@sakurintamaki177 They were talking about Starmie and not Staryu...

Which level up group is it in? I agree that Starmie would be really good for all the reasons you mentioned, but I still see no real advantages over Mewtwo unless it's in a faster level up group. The Alakazam/Gengar tier is very plausible, though.

@@FinalCataclsym tetralogy *

Nice PFP.

@@RaphielShiraha64 Thank you! (>^-^)>

Haha, hey thanks!

"worst run ever" not "worst pokemon ever". he just got really bad luck, which shouldn't effecting ranking.

he just got incredibly bad luck. it is a suboptimal Pokémon, but it shouldn't have been nearly this hard

@@3eve0n I always felt like how a pokemon can deal with bad luck should factor into their ranking. Like, say you get hit with a crit or level up at a bad spot, a good pokemon would be able to bounce back from that and win the battle, while bad pokemon can't. Oddish is the example of a pokemon that simply cannot handle any amount of bad luck without fainting.

@@Purple-Popcorntm uh, did we watch the same video? there were several times when he still got some bad luck but made it through the fight. He just had bunch sequences of REALLY bad luck, like the fire spin chain against charizard. This isn't the first time either, iirc, the dratini video had some really bad luck as well. Are you saying dratini should be bottom tier, too?

@@Purple-Popcorntm Also leveling up mid battle has nothing to do with luck. there is absolutely no randomness at all involved with gaining EXP.

probably bc josh is canadian not american

@@dwestside6945 Ensign isn't a rank in the Canadian military at all though : / They go from Cadet to Lieutenant.

He flew planes, which the army do have but does make it more likely he was in the Air Force anyway. Though he was also apparently a commanding officer which, again is possible but would be weird to achieve as just a lt. and then never get promoted so maybe he’s just lying about the whole thing

@@rueblie2627 My headcanon is that he was demoted before discharge, because his use of Pokemon in combat was a war crime :P Beyond that, in the original Japanese he was a Major, which is believable for a CO.

@@pearofclubs6280 yes I see I misunderstood you, cheers

Weeks I think but always fun to see what choices they make.

It's got Wrap, so that's certainly an edge.

@@maninthetrenchcoat5603 It also starts with Vine-wipe which is better than Absorb and Grows giving it an early badge-boost-glitch. So yes its gonna be way better.

@@muffinn1337 I hadn't considered Growth. Good point

Higher levels would increase Speed stat, which would help Oddish outpace the Rapidash and Charizard, especially with help from the Badge Boost Glitch (BBG). However, having a higher level and taking longer would hurt the main two metrics Jrose measures.

@@samperez1727 For a Pokémon as slow as Oddish, there’s almost no practical level you could get to that would let you out speed Rapidash. Level 100 Oddish with max EVs and max IVs will have speed stat of 158. Level 65 Charizard with no EVs or IVs will have speed stat of 135. Even if leveling was a solution, by the time you reach level 100 with your Oddish…May as well have tried for a lucky match. Lol

I mean, you could. You could even pick the move you're overwriting, which would almost certainly be Mega Drain. It'd just require that Agatha cooperates, which seemed to be a problem for jrose here :P

@@pearofclubs6280 Why not arrange for mimic itself to be overwritten? I suspect that Jrose doesn't know how to treat his grandma, given how he much trouble he has with Agatha, the old witch

it would require a well timed mimic, and a bigger luck of getting a pokemon swapped with the gengar. its possible but highly unlikely.

no glitches or exploits are allowed in these challenges, only the badge boost glitch is accepted

@@robertomolina1986 and? his logic on the badge boost glitch is "if the enemy can activate it so should i", so i dont see why not use the mimic glitch as well, since its completely outside your control.

Glad to see another Scott's Thoughts fan

He already did oddish

@@RustedKing Yeah, but not in Yellow, yet.

Scott who? Is this another RU-vid channel, please enlighten me.

Probably Scott’s Thoughts, another challenge runner who seems to be far more test-focused than impressive-focused

@@AutisticPotato7 Scott's Thoughts. He was doing Red for gen 1 at first and then switched to yellow, uses more metrics, and later started doing *multiple* runs per video to try improving each time. Each of the three (Jrose, Scott, MDB) has there own uniqueness that I like, so I wouldn't say any one is better than the other. Scott does have more Gen 2 though.

@@MentalDaxter I'm gonna binge him after this then thanks

There's also a museum with a space shuttle in it in the same town as Brock, so it could just be a reference to that.

You sparked my curiosity, so I looked up a Japanese language Let's Play of Green Version, and skipped ahead to the trainer fight. Before the battle, the Jr. Trainer says: タケシさんに　ちょうせん　なんて　10000こうねん　はやいんだよ！ Which directly translates to, "You're 10000 lightyears too early to challenge Takeshi (Brock)." After defeating the Jr. Trainer, he says: 10000こうねんは。。。じかん　じゃない！。。。きょり　だ！ Which translates to, "10000 lightyears is... not time! ... It's distance!" So it seems like this conversation was directly translated from Japanese to English. Though it may have been a joke on the common "100 years too early" line, it does indeed say lightyears in Japanese. But I'd have never thought to check if you hadn't mentioned it. ^_^

@@ultlifeform Then I'm glad I mentioned it, thanks for taking that extra step! I'm happy to see you also checked the line after defeating Brock which proves they understood the trope line just fine but chose to alter it probably for the sake of making this one trainer a bit more quirky and entertaining to talk to. Heh, it's funny, now and then I check this channel and I _(involuntarily)_ learn new things about the gen1 pokemon games. :-P