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I ate strict carnivore (Lion diet) for 3 years (beef, salt, and water) mainly because eating anything else made me very sick! Fortunately, the carnivore/Lion diet was able to heal my gut along with a lot of other chronic health issues, especially my depression and anxiety. However, my health still wasn’t ideal because I still had chronic migraines, zero energy, and poor digestion (especially for fat). I had been following Dr. Saladino from his carnivore days and I saw that he started eating fruit, so I decided to give the meat and fruit diet a try and I’ve been feeling SO much better since then! I finally have enough energy to do the things I want to do instead of being stuck in bed all day. I’m actually able to workout without getting fatigued after only a few minutes. And my migraines have gotten a lot better too! So overall, my quality of life has drastically improved once I started including fruit into my diet! I definitely think the carnivore diet served me well when basically everything else I ate made me sick, however, once my gut had healed and I was able to reintroduce different foods without reacting to them, I was finally able to address the few remaining nagging health issues that the carnivore diet wasn’t able to heal for me.
That's amazing! Do you think it's common to have to go strict to heal first to be able to tolerate the fruits/veggies etc? Or would it be fine to implement the carbs earlier? I too struggle with my health, and I'm worried about my kidneys getting damaged by too much protein intake. The verdict is so mixed on it causing kidney damage or not. Some seem to heal on carnivore and others seem to get kidney damage... And so many state too much fat can also cause a lot of issues. Too much conflicting info out there 😆 I'm looking at no-plant GAPS. Seems to be able to expedite the process. Then gradually increase everything else to see what my body tolerates or not.
I would struggle to believe someone who won’t show at least 1/2 of his upper body. Obviously has something to hide. Dr Chaffee has no trouble at all showing everyone how healthy he looks.
@@jamiem3115 Georgi is obviously knowledgeable I just don’t quite agree with his approach. A drunk can tell you drinking is bad for you (not saying Georgi is comparable to a drunk).
Wish georgi was a bit healthier looking. Ive been on the ray peat sugar wave and have lost 100 lbs off as much juice/sugar i want. And rice+meat for dinner. Even eating ice cream for dinner (with no pufas. Hard to find good stuff) The most fit and healthy ive felt in my 30 years of life.
@cecilechau7932 zero cheat meals. Zero pufa. (Which i believe georgi still eats and uses vitamin E + aspirin to avoid side effects) I eat very bland and boring
What do you eat for breakfast and lunch? Do you eat eggs? Are they regular eggs or pastured eggs? Do you eat bacon? Do you eat pork or chicken or just beef?
@@seannolan3927post a Video. You’d be the first peater I’ve ever seen who’s lost significant weight and judging from your comment was out of shape basically all his life
Vegetarians who are concerned about the climate should be very worried that the amount of land dedicated to grow grains is a worst contributor to climate change than cows fart.
this is fantastic man. two knowledgable and level headed guys who are clearly communicating their ideas, and a moderator who doesn't interrupt and asks the right questions. what every debate should strive for!
Georgi idea is wrong from the outset. His whole premise is that cortisol is dangerously elevated when carbs are omitted from the diet. This is totally incorrect. ONLY with elevated insulin will cortisol rise as blood glucose glycogen stores deplete. Facts he won't even acknowledge.
@@analyze.and.optimize She's probably been on the carnivore diet for a few weeks, so she knows way more than Georgi, who's been researching this stuff for the past 8+ years.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Its almost like people who are more prone to fat storage do better on carnivore and people like me who are naturally lean do better on pro metabolic. Just an observation. I did carnivore for 2 years and experienced some really bad stress and insomnia. Adding in fruit has fixed those issues.
So you’re still animal based? I am still doing pretty strict carnivore, and any time I add back fruits I spiral lol. I’m not overweight, but I’m definitely prone to store fat.
Agree. I'm lean and when I did low carb meat based, my electrolytes drained away. Urine started smelling like ammonia. Feel much better adding some carbs back.
This may be the case. I wonder if we could get some studies/polls/etc. I definitely see a duality in both the research and with stories I hear. I just started carnivore a couple of weeks ago and so far I feel great on it. But, I know people that have had to add in fruits, honey, berries, teas, and/or tubers to be healthy. I tend to carry a lot of fat, so if the theory is true, I should be able to continue this way without issues. I am going to start tracking the encounters I have with people to see if I find patterns.
Metabolic typing has been around for ages. Paul Chek was my introduction to it, years ago, when I started studying nutrition. I am also lean, have done long periods on both keto and carnivore, and find I do better on a mixed fat and carbs; others are better on higher carb or higher fat. You find your equilibrium. The main thing is to get your nutrients in and for that you base your diet around animal foods, period.
This style of debate was refreshing. I appreciate the way each individual remained respecful, open-minded, and considerate, and came together to put ideas on the table and hash it out looking for truth, rather than focusing on being "right." I've been on a red meat and water diet for a few weeks now. So far, so good. With all the lies, misinformation, and advice from entities who are vested in our sickness, it's impossible to know the truth without jumping into the water ourselves. People love to warn me of the dangers of my diet. But my joints have stopped killing me during and after my workouts, my mind, mood, and body seem balanced and level, and I'm leaning out.. I tend to trust the intent of a man's message more when his primary goal isn't to sell pills or a book.. Keep in mind, that food today is no longer what it used to be. We have to adapt. My sister, brother-in-law, my daughter, and others I know all have had to come off a vegan lifestyle diet due to deficiencies. I'm open minded at this point.
There are ways to know the truth without jumping into the water, but then if you know the truth, you already in the water… so you are in the water first or you know the truth first?
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
I was a happy carnivore until my body started failing, weak muscles, brain fog, difficulty swallowing. I thought I was dying then heard Georgi's failure on Keto that was resolved by taking orange juice . I did the same with very sweet tea and my body came back to life. Clearly I wasn't fat adapting and my tissues were starving to failure. Odder people may have trouble converting body fat to liquid fat and may lack enzymes at the the cellular level to use the fatty acids as fuel.. Thanks to Georgi, I'm eating lower fat protein and added fruit. I'm so sad that I felt poorly so long and degenerated. I do believe the carnivore diet is really species appropriate as long as your body can metabolize it. I had my gall bladder removed quite young so that may have been a factor.
Hi Mark. I was carnivore for about 2 years. I think I never felt great, never really came to the point of feeling strong like many report.. As I'm older, I presumed it was something else . I knew about the possibility of not converting fats efficiently as part of general knowledge but I never made the connection to my extreme situation. it wasn't until things were severe, general body failure, that I heard Georgi on You tube when he was specifically asked to tell his story. The result of drinking tea loaded with sugar was dramatic and almost immediate. Not sure how much damage I did to my body during the deterioration. There may have been other factors. I'm still getting muscle strength back but I never felt really weak or dizzy again. I listened to the Dr. Ray Peat interviews and incorporate simple sugars with the meat and collagen with muscle meat. As all are absorbed high up, I still have little fiber and never feel stuffed. Dr. Peat felt simple sugars are superfoods, contrary to mainstream ideas. I should probably be checking my blood sugar but frankly, I choose life and won't worry about it. As a nurse, having seen too much 'progressive and irreversible' illness that responds well to carnivore, I still think it's wonderful if you can do it's remedially. The body is flexible. I wrote this up because I did want some of the teachers of carnivore to acknowledge that there might be enyzymatic deficiencies which affect one's health on carnivore. Good luck with your explorations.
Mark, I'm thinking of an early paleo book where the author had studied nutritional anthropology. It was a reminder that nature is only interested in maintaining adult vigor until you procreate. That used to be quite young. After that you are seen a s competing with the children for food so may be killed off in some way. Essential processes may get down regulated. It's interesting to see these forums with a frenzy of strategies to cheat nature, biohacking etc. The subtle suggestion was to eat a lot less and tip toe by.@@markaguilera493
I think George is quite a clever guy and he made very good arguments very interesting and make sense. I personally eat carbs and feel better than carnivore. But I think the problems are the seed oils and and processed crapp. The truth is always somewhere in the middle never in the dogma and extreme.
Extremely valuable information from both these men. How wonderful that they were given equal time to speak and the interviewer didn’t keep interrupting. I learned a lot.
@@d3mist0clesgee12 Georgi's information will get you out of a whole lotta trouble, should you find yourself there. Georgi mostly suggests nutrients, not deadly medications.
I was thinking similarly, we should see the results of the so called better method. We are limited by genetics but we should be able to get to our best version.
@@gerard6629so you went through this podcast and then decided based on looks? Why didn't you just look at a picture of these two fellows instead? Seems much less time consuming. All I'm gonna say to you is that looks don't matter too much. Anthony could possibly be on TRT (low carb diets lead to low testosterone) and exercising a lot, Georgi is not really doing any of this. Good luck with carnivore, just don't let dogmatism about your diet prevent you from using your senses if things start going south
Yes, because Dr. Chaffee looks like he does, because of the carnivore die. Before he went carnivore, he looked like an overweight incel. A diet will change your whole physiognomy and body proportions withing a couple of years, everybody knows this. It has nothing to do with his genetic backgound and the life of his parents and grandparents in particular. No, it's the fad diet he is following for a few years! :D
If looks didn’t matter it would not be something people use as a decision maker. No one buys a bruised orange because it doesn’t look optimal. This is not a foreign concept. I am allowed to have an opinion, no?
@@gerard6629That's part of the problem, people choosing what they do based on the looks of someone. You are free to do what you want even if it might not be the actual best decision.👍
It has been pointed out how important visual impressions are. On one hand you have someone who looks unhealthy in a room full of boxes, and on the other you have someone in a normal looking room with better audio and who is physically attractive. Plenty of good points here, and I have been thinking of what my life has been like after decades of eating the meat based diet. What I know from personal experience is that it has been impossible for me to become obese, no matter the volume of food that I eat.
The old saying the proof is in the pudding ! How someone LOOKS when talking nutrition they are espousing is HUGE At least he understands veggies are not good :) but sadly dude is uninformed would be good if he could talk with Chaffee and get on a TRUE carnivore diet for the next year and hear what he has to say
Second glances and a few cat calls I've gotten since losing weight and getting muscular again at my age since going on the Carnivore, "proof is in the pudding" as they say.
57 days Carnivore here and feeling great!!! Blood Sugar completely normalized without Meds. And I'm now off my Blood Pressure Medication with normal readings!!! No more joint pain!! Skin tag vanished! Lots more energy! Increased heat tolerance, so important living in the Sonora Desert! 119° today. Lost 12.5 lbs. Increased strength - I can carry my 100 lbs daughter now, haven't been able to do that since she was about 50-60 lbs. Loving Carnivore!!!
Thanks for your comment I was looking for someone who normalized there BP and dumped the BP meds off of carnivore diet.i am 3 days in hopefully I can get the same results!!
@@JonnyGunz89 I'd asked others early on, and it seemed to take about 3 months on average to normalize BP. For me a little earlier, some a little later. Just a matter of time 😀 I wish you the best!!
@CatholicCarnivoreHousewife thanks!!much appreciated... its only been 3 days for me with fasting one meal a day and I feel pretty good so far.i will keep it up will see how it goes
@@JonnyGunz89make sure you watch the How to Begin Carnivore and What Not to Do on Carnivore, etc videos from Dr Chaffee - he has a lot of great information on his videos - just starting learning, also Dr KenBerry has a lot of good videos on RU-vid, too.
Great piece. It would interesting if the gentleman in the room full of boxes, tried the carnivore diet himself and provide an update of how the diet worked on him.
@@d3mist0clesgee12 im not sure wjat his muscle condition is... but he did have a run in with the keto diet that may have broken his metabolism and OXPHOS so he may still be recovering from that.. consumption of PUFAs in the first 25 years of my life really destroyed my abikity to put on lean muscle mass.. and mold... i do carnivore and animal based and have great trouble aquiring lean muscle mass from all the damage that has been done... never judge someone by the look you dont know their past ..
What a great debate! Such intelligence from both debaters, thank you for this service to the public. Coming from a clinical background, I find the intellectual science interesting but the clinical outcomes are really what drives me to this carnivore WOE. We can talk about and speculate chemical reactions all day, but what happens to people when they take on the lifestyle is where the rubber meets the road. Well done gentlemen! 🙏🏻
Exactly. Hours of debate and talking and I can't ignore the real-life stories (and results) of people who have done it themselves--some for a very long time.
I follow Georgi’s bioenergetic style eating and I stay fit. It’s been way easier to gain muscle this way than low carb meat and butter based diets. I actually developed gyno doing low carb. I remember just laying in bed with my arms crossed my hands would fall asleep. Never had good energy to work out (still did). Sleep suffered, got cold easily. Kept at it for years and really screwed my metabolism
I do low carb mostly because sibo/sifo are a problem for me and it helps eliminate those symptoms. Also, I do notice I feel generally calmer. but I do worry about the shbg. I feel like my sex drive kinda tanks on low carb. I always notice it when I reintroduce carbs and remember what it's like to be horny lol.
Georgi completely misunderstands the glycerol fatty acid cycle. The entire point of it is the body is locking out glucose in order to protect the cell from glycated damage. He understands the mechanism but not its purpose so he says the solution is to block fatty acid absorption to force glucose into the cell when the fact that elevated glucose is the problem! The entire point of it is to protect itself from too much glucose, not to force glucose into the cell through blocking fat. All you will do is accelerate glycative damage to those cells and cause even more inflammation.
@@tanyasydney2235 Glucose would be elevated if you engorge on it more than you burn it though. Blaming fat for the glucose problems is just ignorant. Sure you can mitigate some of the damage made by glucose by only eating it but if you are one of those who keeps over eating then end of the day it's the same side effect.
what would you expect Georgi is a supplement salesman, that’s his business, medication and supplementation is the way to go for him, but if you want optimum health then Dr. Chaffee is for you. This is a free country choose which one you prefer.
I think I will go with the guy who looks like he is from the movie 300😂Also talk about simple versus complicated, I will stick with carnivore all the way👍
@@NoKingsNoGodsOnlyMan, how did the high cortisol manifest for you? I'm nearing two years, but I feel calm, balanced, sleep well. But I may be missing something; I sure have plenty space for improvement.
Carnivore diet cured so much for me! * No more perimenopause- completely reversed! *Period cycles all timed perfect with 4 week intervals.And no PMS symptoms, but only the actual menstrual cycle itself! *No more night sweats *No more waking every 2 hours at night! *It used to take me 20 minutes or longer to fall asleep at night when I would first go to bed at night- before carnivore. Now it takes like a minute or less. Haven’t noticed since I am out fast! *No more life long eczema *No more cold hands *No more cold body temp in general! Used to feel like a reptile - only warm in texas sun. *No more IBS symptoms (gas, bloating, stomach pain, constipation, diarrhea) *No more feeling low energy by 12pm and zombie by 4pm *No more purple looking hands in winter *No more brain fog *No more arthritis that I felt in hands, knees, and hips- or elbows *used to have sore hips when sleeping on my side. No more! *Lost 45+ pounds from former baby weight and peri menopause weight. *Always had 20/20 vision with slight stigmatism- but in March doctor said my stigmatism is reversing! *Don’t sunburn as easily anymore and tan well. *Wrinkles around eyes seem to be much less. I am 46 and look like I am in early 30’s. *Gums look super healthy. Dentist seems irritated as my teeth are not dirty when cleaning every six months. Think they know they won’t make money off me. *No more sore chest from monthly periods- no swelling feeling of fullness or discomfort that prevented me from sleeping on my stomach. Now I sleep every night on my stomach! *Fibrocystic Breast issues reversing! Almost all gone after 6 years of buildup! *no cravings unless they are for meat *no more angina symptoms before a period- which started about 3 years ago. *No more feeling weak like almost passing out and dizzy around ovulation and periods * no more fingers swelling- that started a few years ago- rings kept being tight- is pattern I noticed. One ring I had resized larger and it’s super loose now. Will have to resize smaller. *feel stronger- now lifting barbells not just hands weights. Dr. Baker said since I am 46, and 5’7” at 122lbs- need more resistance training to add more muscle weight. . So bought a 47lb barbell off Amazon and have 40 extra pounds added to it. Will continue to progress with that. * i had started growing grey hairs in one of my eyebrows, few hairs at a time, but no grey in my blonde hair yet - but assumed it was coming before Carnivore. Now on carnivore I have had no new grey hairs growing in eye brows and still no grey hair in my natural blonde hair. And in the sun it gets super light highlights. * no more body odor! * I used to get a little anxiety with large crowds- like if attending special events- but since on carnivore I don’t get it that much. *I was a bit OCD before carnivore, but so much more relaxed so barely like that. * I was a relaxed person before, but somehow am even more relaxed and never stress about things. *Since I was a young child my sense of smell has been terrible. But not even a month in on carnivore my sense of smell has gone crazy! I smell things even far away! Amazing! *no more allergies! I was allergic to cedar and oak pollens- and mold- but since carnivore I am no longer reacting to those outdoor pollens which is amazing! * I have had no more issues from ear wax build up. Had it twice after having kids and docs would say it was a hormonal problem. Carnivore cured that too! If I think of anything else will add. ☺️👍🏻 I know when people go on carnivore they are trying to heal something, but if they aren’t like me and notice small things- they may not notice they are healing way more than they realized- things plant foods were causing! And they need to remember, processed foods are made from plants- but so are whole foods (raw or cooked!) they are all toxic! The carnivore diet cures! ☺️👌🏻 The body is a network made of multiple gears- and if one gets messed up it causes a whole domino affect of problems like I had! The carnivore lifestyle is not a fad, it’s the ancestral human way of eating! Go Carnivore for a few months and see how you feel! ☺️👍🏻
@@KenWang2 lol., I call that denial. Like.. sticking your fingers in your ears, and singing to avoid hearing what you dont like:P Yes, fasting is good, but it doesnt jelp long term if you eat crap inbetween fasting sessions. And you cant just fast.. that would kill you over time.
@@KenWang2 i didn’t just not eat anything between fasting times! I ate beef, eggs, and just drank water! So carnivore did heal it. I didn’t really fast- I was just not always hungry because meat is nutrient dense and the body is happy and stays full absorbing it all. Carnivore is what healed me, not fasting.
Regarding cortisol suppression of weight loss, i have been carnivoring for 8 months to lose a lot of weight. Unlike all other diets, weight loss has been almost constant with rare stalls. When i do stall, i can easily identify what caused it because the diet is so simple - e.g. i ate too much dairy, drank alcohol on my birthday, etc. obvious stuff. It was going great and i was in a stable routine until winter came and my post-exercise cool off swims tranformed into an opportunity to try out the cold plunge craze. I"ve never been able to tolerate cold water well but forced myself to jump into icy water maybe 4 times over a fortnight. Well my weight loss stalled and i finally figured out it was the stress hormone response to the shock and pain of the cold plunges. So i won't be doing any more Wimhoff experiments, sorry Joe Rogan.
I don’t usually comment but wanted to say this was a great interview. It’s uncommon to see two smart individuals on different sides of an issue have a respectful and measured conversation. I hope there is a Part 2.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
@@vidalskyociosen3326 I hope you are wrong! Whoever has tried the carnivore lifestyle, especially with health issues, is a case study in and of herself/himself. I am relatively new (just over 4 months), made a lot of mistakes as I transitioned straight into the deep end (red meat, salt, water) from an absolutely toxic plant-based elimination diet that was suppesedly healthy but nearly killed me. After about a week of keto-flu things just became better and better and better. Do I trust my body, blood sugar levels, dropping pants, or Dr Dinkov who tells me lipolysis is not happening and I have high blood sugar?! With all due respect, it has been a very enlightening talk, I learnt a lot but I stick to my carnivore guns.
These are the debates the carnivore community need. Thank you both for your time and thank you Dr. Chaffee for bringing the facts in this fight for health and truth!! 💜💜💜
but facts that Dr.Chaffee are bringing is incorrect. he said those people on high meat were triving and that incorrect.they were surviving. autopsies done on these people show massive vasiculaire diseases and bone health.
The eskimo argument NEVER includes their environment. I failed miserably on the equator on carnivore-trashed my thyroid and liver and almost died from anaphylactic shock from high histamines. I healed everything with the bioenergetic woe. Pemmican is not just meat and fat-it includes dried fruit and maybe nuts.
The berries that natives ate were Saskatoon berries, cranberries, currants and choke berries. These berries are low in sugar, especially at the time. Berries are hybridized to be sweeter and larger. Alot of times pemmican was just meat and fat. That's it.
Even populations on the Equator like the African Hadza and Brazilian Piraha tend to eat mostly animal foods such as meat and/or fish. That is because equatorial regions also have seasons where the dry season is equivalent to northern winters. For example, the Hadza only have access to much fruit and honey during a short wet season of a 2-3 months. And the nutritionist Mary Ruddick has observed that the Hadza don't eat much fruit and honey, no matter if it's available, as they prefer meat.
Well, don't you think I observe what people eat here in ECUADOR? Tons of starch carbs-3 at a normal almuerzo/lunch, with about 3 oz of meat/fish or an egg. Tropical fruit all year that grows in our backyards and they use most of it as juice. Don't you think that after my big carnivore fail I healed with CARBS. our brains steal sugar from our muscles. From Wikipedia:"Genetically, the Hadza are not closely related to any other people." So, all 1300 of them are adapted to their archaic lifestyle as hunters/gatherers. If YOU lived as they do, you'd probably fail on a meat diet.@@MarmaladeINFP
The change of protein to glucose in the presence of a very low carb or zero carb carnivore diet is demand driven, not supply driven. I would think Giorgi would know this.
I loved this interview!!! ❤ I have gone back and forth between carnivore and pro metabolic for YEARS and I have been confused on what to believe when I have listened to hundreds of hours of podcasts from both sides. I do get a severe stress response from low carb/carnivore, extreme insomnia and electrolyte disturbances (that I haven't been able to fix with electrolytes) so I always have to revert back to pro metabolic. That lowers my stresshormones and I can sleep more but then I also have more pain and inflammation instead...🤪 But my body just can't take anymore sleeplessness and racing heart so I have to prioritize sleep so I HAVE to eat some carbs at the moment. But I'm working my way towards lower carbs and hope that my very gradual approach will get me to a place where I can go fully carnivore again bcs I do think that it's better in the long run to fix my leaky gut, insulin resistance and inflammation. Can't seem to completely get rid of that on a pro metabolic approach.
Don't make it so difficult, just eat what makes you feel good. If you have major metabolic damage it will take a long time to get things back to the way they are supposed to be. Just nourish yourself and stop dwelling on it.
@@erikhancock98569 Yeah, if he follows your advice he will never get things back the way they are supposed to be. Cake makes me feel good, I suppose I should just not dwell on it, you live only once, am I right? 😂
I've read many reports of women having to eat fat (like a stick of butter) just before going to bed in order to resolve the sleep issues on carnivore. Look up some of the female carnivores like Nutrition with Judy or Carnivore Yogi. Thankfully I sleep 8 hours a night as a carnivore (almost 4 years now) without the butter.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Great people to get together for a discussion. I think the ray peat ideas have caused a lot of confusion amongst much of the carnivore community of late. And Chaffee certainly represents a very 'purist' view of the carnivore diet, so putting these guys together is very enlightening. Overall I had the impression Georgi was drawing from a lot of the same research he has cited in other interviews but seemed to draw very different conclusions in this discussion. As one example, see his recent interviews with Dr Mercola over the last few months in which he advocated for an evenly mixed macro ratio of fat and carbs? Completely antithetical to the conclusion he drew in this discussion. Had he just never been challenged in any logical way on these ideas? I find that very hard to believe with how well researched he is. Chaffee's first principles approach continues to be the most soundly reasoned perspective on diet for me. Georgi seems to be scrambling together a complicated jigsaw of pathways and mechanisms before even being sure some of the pieces fit, let alone considering there's a giant pile of pieces off to the side that might also be part of the puzzle but we don't even understand yet. Very much appreciate both these guys for taking the time to discuss these ideas publicly in such a great way though.
Dr. Chaffee follows the science- and you can tell he is physically fit and brain very sharp. Watch his videos- carnivore is a human ancestral way of eating. George is only regurgitating misinformation. The 7th day Adventists christians religion ideology designed our food pyramid and RDA, and all the mess George said. Why- 7th Day Adventists Christians wanted to ruin human hormone health by cutting meats and natural animal fats and add naturally toxic plant based foods. Go watch Belinda Fattke on truth of why the human race continues to escalate in illnesses, disease, and cancers you see today!
If you want to talk first principles, I think it’s important to reconsider conclusions he drew in what he thinks is humans natural environment and diet. Why is it he thinks just because humans lived in northern climates for a long time, that means that what we ate and where we lived was most natural? Perhaps in that environment it was just what we needed to survive, but were we thriving to our maximum potential? I would be miserable in conditions like that, eating like that, knowing what it can contrast, but that’s my subjective opinion and experience. When I postulate what Homo sapiens natural diet is, I think of where can he live outside year round without the use of technology, including clothing, weapons and fire. Tropical locations seem much more logical. The weather is the same year round and we can be naked even at night and be comfortable without technology. Our closest animal ancestors live there as well as some of the most intelligent and complex forms of life. Tropical fruits are generally much healthier than say berries and fruit that grow in northern areas, and are high calorie and literally begging to be eaten. They can grow year round. If I was a wild human I would eat until stuffed at a fruit tree. It’s just instinctual. The sweet taste buds are on the tip of our tongue. I myself have eaten 1000-2000 calories from tropical fruit most days for breakfast and or lunch (eaten by itself) since 2010. I keep to 80/10/10 macros and my blood work year after year is excellent. My liver is good, my A1C is 4.7 and blood sugar is in the low 80s. I also look young for my age (35). I try and stay away from oils. I stick to grass fed beef if I eat meat at dinner but I do eat out on occasion too. I never wanted to be orthorexic and like to be flexible but it’s generally fruit for breakfast and lunch. I also allow myself white rice and sweet potato if not enough fruit. I just feel like people need to take into account someone like me who has 13 years of eating a lot of fruit.
@@tropicaoptica Thanks for the thoughtful response. I completely agree, tropical climates are a much more logical place to live. Chaffee is not indicating that northern climates are our natural environment, he is just pointing out that some populations of humans have survived in very cold climates and the human race as a whole has had to survive through ice ages lasting tens of thousands of years in which to your point, the main or only thing we had access to for long periods of time was meat. The fact that we survived through these extremely harsh conditions with little technology eating a meat based diet simply indicates that we can live healthy and resilient lives by eating that way. Of course different populations have had access to different foods depending on the time period and where they lived. But it seems our best evidence would indicate that the mainstay throughout our evolution has been meat. And theirs examples like the Plains Indians that he mentioned in which even when they had access to other foods, they still only really ate meat. I do not deny you are probably very healthy and feeling great eating the way you eat. However you are only one person, unless you decided to change and eat a pure carnivore diet for a significant amount of time then you don't really know what the alternative is. Perhaps after 12 months on a carnivore diet you feel even better than you do now? You are also actually an example of the inconsistent conclusions I was pointing out from Georgi. You are getting the overwhelming majority of your calories from carbohydrates meaning you will not be activating the randle cycle to anywhere near the same degree most typical mixed standard diets do. Chaffee and Georgi both acknowledged that a diet such as yours is probably a better way to eat then most standard diets. I just think Chaffee would argue all those carbohydrates are not essential in the human diet, where as the protein and fat is essential. So if eating a mixed macro nutrient diet is going to cause a problem as they both indicated, then it makes more sense to eat fat over carbohydrates. The attractiveness of fruit certainly is an interesting thing. Ripe fruit of course contains much less toxins than other plants. However it is also the "intention" of a fruiting plant to have the fruit be eaten, while making the seed protected, toxic and difficult to digest, so that the seeds are spread. A sweet fruit is definitely there to be eaten by animals, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's there for humans as some fruits are acutely toxic to us. There is also an interesting argument that the way in which carbohydrates cause more chronic disease may have been an evolutionary adaptation. In that if we temporarily gorged ourselves on tropical fruit in the summer and put on weight that served us well to help survive the winter. That will never be more than theory but it is interesting to think about.
Thank you for this discussion. It was so refreshing to see people debate different perspectives and opinions so respectfully. We all benefit when 2 intelligent people can share and listen to one another. I think they both have points. I think they are both knowledgeable. It seems they came to some different conclusions. And of course that's OK. I do not personally feel optimal eating fruit. But some people do. I am so happy they both agree about PUFA and the need for meat.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
@@vidalskyociosen3326 Georgi is motivated by truth as well. Making the assumption that because he sells supplements he must have no interest in truth that wouldn't benefit business is very cynical for one, but also bordering on ad hominem territory.
The problem with the "as long as you are eating fresh meat" argument is that literally all of the beef in grocery stores is aged at least two weeks. Even the expensive grass fed has finished meat. I've been looking for a supplier of fresh beef for months and can't find it. And I'm pretty sure most people on the carnivore diet are eating grocery store beef. Yet none of us has scurvy.
Shawn Baker has made it his job to coach thousands of people directly or indirectly, and it is something he never sees. It's anecdotal, but that guy has racked up lots and lots of anecdotes. Most of us are eating store meat.
Georgi is talking about biochemical processes in an organism, and sometimes as an example he mentions certain chemical or a drug to prove the point, not to promote a drug as many people here think.
He is a supplement salesman what can you say, it's part of his business, but he is still an IT guy, since his supplements business is booming because of youtube he was given a platform to debate with Doctors which is sad for sincere Doctor's like Dr. Chaffee.
Points deducted from Georgi for not having a decent mic, he sounds like he’s talking through a pillow… and he’s hard enough to follow at the best of times
@@CK51515 It seems like you’re the one with low intelligence here, its understandably that you are a Georgi fan, but going to extreme is not good for your mental health.
Keto and low carb trashed my thyroid after 10 years. Thinned my bones. Raised my blood pressure and caused weight gain. I hate to think if I was carnivore.
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Were you eating vegetables on keto? Because carnivore doesn't have any veggies. They aren't interchangeable terms.
Thinking that scurvy is actually problem on carnivore, or waste will sit there and putrify are pretty fundamental errors. Also that meat without carbs will make too much gluconeogenisis, forgetting that you could ensure sufficient fat
Not everybody who eats carnivore is going to look like Anthony Chaffee. Some people just don’t have it in the cards. I haven’t seen Georgi below the shoulders. I have seen men who were very stocky and round faced who were thick in the body but very muscular and not very large in the mid section. So the stocky build is different but not necessarily inferior to someone like Anthony chafee.
I’d like to support Georgi’s comment on the excitability of tryptophan. My daughter suffers from BiPolar, we have now recognized that correlation. Thank You all.
I heard calorie restriction makes you live longer from Georgi. In lab mice, that's the data. Also, you feel like crap, no energy to do anything , etc. Sorry. Not trying to live forever. Want to feel good while alive instead. I see plenty of bedridden sick people who live 20+ years like that.
Don’t get me wrong, this vid is misleading with the title. It was more of a “friendly debate” rather than one party bashing the other. Both were very professional and non confrontational as they did agree upon many topics. I would like to see more of these types of layouts where it’s constructive and not subjective.
The guy who looks healthier and NOT overweight, bloated and estrogenic, .... with his life organized and NOT depressed by hoarding garbage with his house being in disarray.... is the one who has the facts about their diet correct. That's the one you should listen to and follow!
I think a lot of people are mistaking an eastern European round face and thicker body as fat or unhealthy. That body type is not uncommon in people from that area. Dinkov looks very muscular in his upper body and traps.
exactly like comparing a staffordshire bull terrier to a chihuahua 😂. Also in school he was a weight lifter and I dont think that people here are aware how such type of a sportsmen looks like
I watch alot of Giorgi interviews and this one was disappointing. I felt like he dropped the ball and just agreed alot instead of discussing what good carbs do. Is it me or does carnivore always get its hype from these pretty boy doctors that attract their minions to follow blindly?
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Am no wiser about what to eat. I am sick playing russian roulette with my nutrition. I dont do puffa or coke or medications . My ancestors didnt eat junk food. They ate poultry and beef lard and veg. The granny baked sweet treets a few times a year. Perhaps thats the key go to as near your ancesterol diet as you can. Stay away from big supermarkets go to butcher and baker.
I, for one, am very grateful for Dinkov,we were carnivore for a month or slightly more when our tinnitus went off the charts. I found out through him that if you aren't eating some carbs, that your body will raise cortisol in order to raise glucose. Since I know from past experience that tinnitus gets worse when hormones change, I knew that this was the cause. Otherwise, I would never have known, so we are ketovore now and even though some of the results we enjoyed from carnivore have gone,it's preferable to the torture of the level of tinnitus no carbs caused.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Dr. Chaffee has explained elsewhere that research shows that, in the long term, the keto diet reduces cortisol. The rise in cortisol to produce glucose is only temporarily seen in the early transitional phase of the keto diet. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nTqqZrK2GwA.html
Twenty years ago I would have thought the guy on the left would be the carnivore and the guy on the right would be the omnivore. Also, judging from the backgrounds, one is a slob and the other looks like a neat person. Based off of looks alone, I'd have to say Chaffee will win this debate.
@@seamusmcmahon1182 Looks do matter. Like, when you've got a guy questioning optimal health via meat-based diets while drinking a coke. It looks like he's being a hypocrite. Also inflammation, such as his is a product of not eating healthy. He can think he's educated but his looks say otherwise.
I'm a Georgi fan but I like how this other guy debates. He stays very cool, and you get the sense nothing is personal I'm his points or trying to bring emotion into the debate which always happens.
You should have put Danny Roddy vs Dr. Anthony Chaffee. Although Georgi has knowledge of the force and is on his journey, Danny Roddy is Luke Skywalker.
@@desertboot9755 Danny Roddy cried when he was presented with Bart Kay’s video, at-least that was the rumor, but Bart Kay’s intelligence is undeniable.
I would have liked to hear Georgi’s counter comments on the fructose issue when Dr. Chaffee brought that up. A good amount of Georgi’s position (the bioenergetic/Ray Peat position) is in favor of fructose. Also, grains as a source of dietary starch/glucose aside given their more widely agreed upon associated issues, there was mention of populations that rely on tubers which primarily provide glucose from starch. However, there was no discussion of the caveats/issues that accompany more ‘ancestrally’ oriented/natural starch sources such as tubers primarily. I.e., things like protease inhibitors, oxalates, lectins, saponins, and the higher fiber vs starch content of wild tubers as well as the toxins in plants overall which would be the source(s) of dietary glucose in the first place. So there ends up being two metabolically feasible pathways: protein + starch/glucose or protein + fat (mostly saturated and monounsaturated). The former would accompany the issue of the aforementioned plant toxins at very least if deriving the dietary glucose from ‘natural’ unrefined food sources. The chronic stress issue is a critical confounding variable in dietary success outcomes to consider given how nearly unavoidable that is with modern lifestyles.
They both went on too long without letting the other respond. By the time each one got a turn they'd forgotten what the other said at the beginning of their piece.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
@@Goldenhawk583That is his busines, what can I say. ( Dinkov) Dr. Chaffee is way intelligent and professional, that's why they should not put these 2 together.
Wait … I should eat carbs which spike my blood sugar so the protein doesn’t raise my blood sugar? My experience has been when I eat meat with enough fat my blood sugar is very slightly increased in a nice gentle slope.
When you eat protein without carbs your insulin goes up, but so does your cortisol, in order to prevent your blood sugar from dropping too low. High cortisol is implicated in all chronic diseases. A blood sugar spike from a carb-containing meal that quickly stabilizes may be preferable over what you say happens after your meals.
@@fedegroxowow. More baseless words. Maybe instead of writing your mindless drivel, how about going on a proper human diet (pure carnivore)for a month and reporting back. Ruminant meat and its associated fats, salt and water.
Protein doesn't come to the party alone. The fats deaden the insulin spike, which is incidentally a fraction of the carb spike. Why would an extreme insulin response be preferred to a minor one and whilst "stabilised" the BS/Insulin levels still stay elevated for many hours.afterwards.
I never understood the argument of there not being anything to eat in an ice age other than meat. Ice ages are characterized by cooler temps around certain parts of the globe... not a perma-frosted earth. Even if an ice covered earth were true, humans wouldn't have been able to eat animals either because those animals rely on vegetation for food themselves.
Wut? You're not making any sense. Animals do indeed survive in very cold conditions, too cold for agriculture. We see that on the steppes of various parts of the world where local natives live off the animals even today.
Wooly mammoths did live in these cold parts didn't they? Don't we call them "wooly" because of that? They survived in extreme cold in ice ages. So these big beasts would have been on the menu at least. If that herbivore found enough to sustain itself perhaps some others did too
@@bigglyguy8429 Of course they survive in the cold and will eat bark and pine needles etc during winter instead of grass, but it's not cold and ice covered year round, and if it became so cold as to permafrost everything, the animals would migrate. So wouldn't the people use meat maybe exclusively for that period of time only, and go back to an omnivorous diet when the snow melts?
@@bigglyguy8429 Agreed. I'd rather eat meat also, I just find the whole "our ancestors" thing a bit flawed, as we can't even agree on what happened 100 years ago let alone hundreds of thousands.
Yeah I’ve tried the “steady supply of sugar all day” with very low fat, 10-15g a day, and I just got puffy, gassy, and broke out with acne. And the undesirable GI state made me want to workout less. Because no one wants to workout all bloated and farty!💨gross. Carnivore diet ensures little to zero gas, no GI bloat and quiet seemless digestion.
It’s not a deal breaker, the eye test, but it certainly says a lot about the ideas, that when out into practice realizes observably different results. After listening, I’m still woefully unconvinced that exogenous carbohydrates are healthy.
There are long term carnivores who have been on this diet for more than 40, 70 years. They look amazing and they are best examples of people from their age groups.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
The problem with coconut oil though is that it apparently contains phytosterols and that is problematic according to some people I've listened to. I think both Ben Bikman and Paul Mason have talked about this if I remember correctly.
If I remember correctly, Mason said phytosterols are incorporated in metabolic pathways where cholesterol should have been. The implication, as I've understood, is that this can negatively impact hormone production, among other functions.
ROUGH Notes Part 2: 36:00 to 1:12:00ish (I don't feel like doing the rest lol) -Chaffee - yeah fructose really bad...addiction, kills parts of brain like meth -high blood sugar can be dangerous >> AGEs, high hbA1c ; hyperinsulinemia (drives many disease states) -ketosis default, normal metabolic state, not a "starvation" state/fasting state -carbs can also block leptin >> satiety, other circadian rhythm related hormonal signaling, GH action... -insulin will shut down LPL; glucose spikes/rebounds >> hangry-ness/overeating -fructose >> broken down into same byproducts as ethanol >> NAFLD, cirrhosis, peripheral IR/T2DM, cancer, alz. -Dinkov - lipid peroxidation required for glycation in humans, not sugar alone... -in T2D mostly obese >> higher cortisol, other issues underlying besides high carb alone -Aspirin completely fixed some people w/IR issues...(cp. Randle Cycle) -glucose gets bad "rap" even though it's involved.....not primary underlying factor but FFA/oxidation issues -insulin...cf. Ozempic stimulates insulin release and is causing *weight loss* -PUFAs are blocking ox-phos; oxidized cholesterol(LDL particles?) more causal of ASCVD... -fat in general blocks ox-phos of carbs...PDH rate-limiting step... -too much fat >> too 'reduced' state (NAD+/NADH ratio...)...problem with lactate production...assoc. w/disease states -another drug that blocks excess FA oxidation >> treats diabetes (over 30 countries use it...)...similar mechanisms of Aspirin, vit E, niacinamide... -stress hormones inhibit glucose oxidation... -bioenergetic way to lose weight: build lean mass, avoid PUFAs, keep metabolic rate high, keep stress low -Chaffee -agrees with a lot, esp. PUFAs etc. ... -agree with Randle cycle thing but says ok just eat FAT, not carbs -ozempic >> rebound though (Dinkov agrees with him) -cortisol...some studies show after 8 weeks on ketogenic, LOWER cortisol...; studies seem mixed but possible some populations were actually deficient and then show rise to normal levels; seems like low carb ameliorates symptoms of high cortisol -his carnivore patients have normal cortisol
Simple observation I know but both these guy's have been following their prospective diets for many years, and it's pretty clear who looks the healthiest. Awesome, valuable info none the less.
I'm doing what's recommended, but still no belly fat loss. My doctor says it's due to cortisol, so what's the best way to lower it without taking drugs?
The only one thing I am missing in this very interesting discussion is just a clarification about omega 3 fatty acids, which are also PUFAs. If I guess, that they are actually healthy as opposed to omega 6 fatty acids am I wrong?
PUFA is very old news for health that's its very rarely discuss, but Georgi use PUFA over over and over again for his supplement and medication business.
I tried the carnivore diet, after a few months my kidneys started hurting and insomnia was insane. I took a mineral test and it showed my phosphorus was way elevated and my calcium super low. My potassium to calcium ratio was off too, I switched gears and went Ray Peat style and everything got better.
Both points are kinda mute, Fermentation only occurs in specific food combinations (anything with starch, dairy and fruit, etc). Also gut motility of the individual matters
Looks like Mr. Dinkov prefers correcting every inbalance with a drug (which comes with side effects) instead of adopting a diet which doesn't cause thes inbalances in the first place.
This carnivore Dr. is talking about indigenous people and how they do well on eating carnivore with no carbs basically. That is interesting information, but it has nothing to do with people living high stress modern life style. That's why most people crash sooner or later on no carb diets. Carnivore people crash from chronically low liver/muscle glycogen and chronically elevated cortisol and adrenalin. Vegan crash from low amino acids, deficiencies of many micronutrients, because most of them are not bioavailable from plants.. So people pls use your own brain and eat the good stuff that is from animals and plants as well and you don't end up like most carnivore/vegan sheeps..
You obviously aren't familiar with gluconeogenesis. I've been carnivore for years and have no trouble with what you mentioned. You do you but don't bash something you know nothing about.
@@davem4193 How many years have you been carnivore? I started strict keto in 2007, followed until 2016 when I switched to carnivore. I stopped carnivore in 2019 after being diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome and hypothyroidism. I currently eat meat, fruit, dairy, honey, and sugar. No nuts or pufa's. I've gained 15 lbs of muscle since 2019 and I feel much better than I did when I was carnivore. It takes a long time for some people to hit that wall, but many do.
@@erickminor Strict keto since 2015 and carnivore since 2021. I already had hypothyroidism before starting both, hasn't made much of a difference either way but when I was keto I still ate fruit, dairy, nuts and vegetables. Since switching to carnivore I have cured a host of health issues that keto did not fix: chronic migraines, osteoarthritis, metabolic syndrome, sleep apnea, gum disease and high blood pressure just to name a few. I also easily lost an additional 25 lbs that I couldn't lose on keto. I do a lot of day hiking with mileage up to 25 miles and elevation gains up to 5500 ft. I have much more energy for hiking on carnivore, I can hike all day without stopping to rest or eat. I hike in a fasted state on top of that. I highly doubt I will crash but anything is possible. People like Kelly Hogan, Lisa Weideman and many more have been doing carnivore for 15+ years and say they have tons of energy. Dr. Chaffee has interviewed multiple people who have been doing carnivore for 40+ years and are in great health, one of them was an 82 year old woman who looked like she was in her 60's and still does physical labor on her cattle ranch every day. Owsley Stanley did carnivore from the 1960's until he was killed in a car accident around 2010 at age 76.
This is exactly the kind of debate I wanted to see. 2 intelligent men presenting different perspectives. I tend to lean more towards Anthony I will say though.
ROUGH notes Part 1: 00:00 through 34:10 chaffee: meat sufficient nutrition; plants bad (antinutrients etc.) dinkov: -need insoluble fiber for digestion otherwise meat >> toxic amines -protein > raises isulin >> blood sugar drops, in absence of carbs -gluconeogenesis bad (de-amination toxic process >> ammonia) -need more calcium:phosphorus otherwise anti-metabolic effect chaffee: -good point on excess protein but...urea ok,; if eating enough fat OR carbs it offsets the protein issue -on intestinal/digestion issue...enough fat makes it fine -the putrefaction happens more on MIXED diet with digestive inhibiting fiber/antinutrients -further: various nutrients like vit C, calcium, etc. need re-contextualized in pure carnivore diet -anthropologic negative changes after agricultural revolution dinkov: -agree veg sucks (especially raw) >> phytoestrogens, etc. -myth about meat "low in carbs" >> fresh meat has high glycogen content...relevant for traditional tribes that eat mostly meat -same for vit C in fresh meat -endotoxin also rises in meat as it ages -Maasai >> include milk, blood, some RAW meat (good amount of sugar) -inflammatory amino acids in meat...tryptophan, methionine, cysteine etc. ...antimetabolic/anti-thyroid and GABA antagonists (excitatory tendency) -traditional cultures also consumed a lot of collagen--offsets these somewhat chaffee: -above ratios issue still only studied in context of mixed diet -traditional peoples...some native americans, ancient peoples, used primarily DRY/preserved meat for long times -most people don't need lots of organ meats; maybe some genetic/situational variability
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world
Interesting interaction! Overall, I prefer Chaffee’s clinically based evidence, based on real everyday patients. He has to prescribe effective treatments in order to not only improve patient health, but maintain a well-respected practice. 6 years of this is a good test of time. Dr. Westman also has 20 years of successful keto treatment, so while Dinkov is well read in research, I would lean more towards medical practitioners who see regular good results.
Very interesting, i’ve been reading many reviews from ex long term carnivores and keto eaters who have started to feel miserable , and they swear by Ray peat approach, by implementing milk, fruit, sugar in coffee, honey, their life have changed up side down, deep 8h sleep, insane energy etc . Is there a missing link to it 😬
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
We won't know who is right until at least decades down the road. What matters most are the long-term results. The advantage to the carnivore diet is that we have populations that have been following carnivore diets for generations. They seem to do fine. But we don't have populations that have done the Ray Peat diet for generations. So, there is no way to do a useful comparison at present.
This is *not* a debate. This is an incredibly polite discussion that becomes increasingly fascinating as the players follow a long path of their agreements to a hypothesis that polyunsaturated seed oils have been causing the disfunction between fat and carbohydrate metabolisms that has driven our own scientific fragmentation. Seed oils are poison! Get them out!
@@andyb190 in the context of a well functioning body where oxidative phosphorilation is not broken, sugar will be metabolised properly and provide energy and activate proper utilization of eletrolytes at the level of the kidneys and so much... sure you dont "need" it but is useful. Some genetics/ broken OXPHOS fat metabolism in many people may actually require glucose in the diet to function properly tho... its not a black and white world ... theirs allot of nuance that must be appreciated in human biology.
Very respectful discussion from both sides which shows character and humility and a lack of ideology. I do think Dr Chaffee has a better approach, which I feel best on. He also looks better clearly. Georgi drinking coke? I think that’s not something to recommend and therefore not to emulate but to each their own. Seed oil bad we can agree on.
None of them mentioned a very important aspect: Blood type group determines how well we do on carnivore diet and age (and ambient temperatures) determine how well we process carbs.
We are all the same species, we have only one optimal diet... just like all other animals in the world. While some people tolerate some carbs better than others. Carbs are still not good for you.. its just sugar.
@@colettejaques2559 and that claim proves me wrong how? Tell me then, which of our organs are specialized for fermenting and breaking down plantmatter? Not our stomach.
Maybe the problem comes from the leafy greens and some vegetables and too many carbs? What if the ideal diet is meat based with a few ancient grains or rice. Minimal amount of grains for energy.
There’s nothing ideal about hyper carnivores eating fibre & carbs. Do you see lions finishing off their meal by chewing on some grass? Do killer whales have a bit of seaweed with their seal meat? Do wolves chew on a few berries after chowing down on some caribou? Humans are obligate, hyper carnivores. Anything additional will be by definition detrimental over time.
I'm 95% carnivore and actually lost 24kg's to reach my target weight for the first time in my adult life. I take no supplements and very healthy. However, I'm not dogmatic about my lifestyle and don't freak out when I have chocolate once in a while. Georgi does look overweight though.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
a professor of mine said once that human babies need to be in womb 2 years, but since our bodies cannot pass the head of such a baby, our body decided on 9 months as good enough. If our brain size has been decreasing due to the industrial diet, at what point will gestational period dtart increasing?
