I am 2 yrs carnivore and tried going back to eating like most people eat. And it was a disaster ! I was on the toilet for days, eczema came back, headaches, runny nose, sneezing, fatigue, pain and weight gain ! I can do a little white rice, lettuce, zucchini, and that is it. But I'll just stick with carnivore thank you lol ! 😄
Your comment made me dig deep today. I'm hyper, and it's new. I feel strange about it, former vegan, but I looked sick and didn't lose weight. This is changing my life.
The same here, 5 months on carnivore,no way back, once your body is healed, it's reactions to harmful food is much stronger, it's like a strict NO from someone, who already knows and finally has a strength to fight against it.....Only humans are so proud, that they think, they can eat everything without consequences....and using variety ( and science )as an apology.....
Elliot is a genius - his ideas, suggestions and guidance have helped my husband and me so much. We are forever grateful to him. This debate concerning strict carnivore versus some plant food reminds me of The Blood Type diet, from many years ago. More and more I am sensing that Dr. D’Adamo may have been onto something important, if not in all the details, perhaps in the general macronutrients needed. The idea is that one’s blood type indicates one’s body’s ability to digest certain foods, not directly, but that there is a correlation between them. The blood type, being easy to ascertain, can help guide the dietary choices for optimal health. Type O - meat, especially beef (obviously carnivore adapted); Type B - mixed meat (preferably lamb) and some plants and dairy; Type A - light meats and more plants; Type AB - similar to A but a little more restrictive. What Elliot is expressing and wrestling with seems to fit in generally with D’Adamo’s ideas. Just a thought….
Bought the book years ago when it first came out and tried the diet according to blood type, mine is A, didn't work for me at all. Also was vegetarian for 2 years and never felt worse. For me the ultimate is DNA testing to help lead in the right direction especially for methylation pathways and homocysteine tendencies, and neurotransmitter pathways. Even before I had that done, I feel best on high protein- meaning for me more meat, various cheeses preferably raw, some eggs primarily yolks, rarely some black or purple rice, a half a yam once a week (did have an oxalate problem prior to changing the way I ate), rare white potatoes, and also minimal amounts of fruit daily because I love them and for antioxidant properties. By the way, I have toxic metal exposures, mold, and chronic Lyme disease and multiple co-infections. In my experience Lyme never goes away it just gets hidden in biofilms but then I have had over 20 embedded ticks removed. I really like this take on carnivore by Elliot as some people swear it's the be all end all for everyone!
What I took from this exchange, we should eat 80/20, meat/veg. You have to find your best meats (fats, too) and your best veg by trial and error. Might be dependent on your ancestry and can change seasonally. Thank you both.
I find I get too much GI discomfort at either extreme - vegan/carnivore. Too much fibre, especially from beans/starch, and too much fat with carnivore had me running to the toilet. I find it’s best with animal products, animal fat and a side of low carb veg for salad works well for me.
One possibility is that there's a bit of a 'chicken and egg' problem with digesting high fat high protein, and getting adequate taurine (sulfur) reserves to produce sufficient bile acids to digest a diet suddenly higher in protein and fat when transitioning from a plant based or SAD to carnivore. Taurine as an osmolyte can also help regulate minerals and electrolytes in much the same way that adding in some carbs can be helpful for people with cramps or electrolyte issues. It may take many months to restore taurine levels even if eating only large quantities of meat. Adding extra seafood may help. I think in the context of toxicity syndromes the body wastes minerals in the process of detoxification and enzymes also get damaged, increasing the need for minerals beyond what is available in food, and this is where supplementation can be a helpful add-on or the basis of a detox protocol. Sulfur in various forms has been key to improving many of my challenging symptoms even before going 95% carnivore. People could consider adding taurine, B1, biotin, NAC, MSM, epsom salt baths, etc and other minerals if appropriate and they aren't getting the results they are looking for, Elliot Overton has lots of good content on these topics.
My fiance thrived on a vegan diet. My hair started to fall out due to my autoimmune disorder and malabsorption even though we were eating unprocessed, meticulously balanced foods. Now, I'm thriving on a diet of carnivore plus one serving of greens per day. I mean: waking up at 5 am and going to the gym then killing it all day THRIVING, which my autoimmune disorder shouldn't allow. But my fiancee felt like sleepy anxious garbage and had to reintroduce carbs. There are definitely personal physiological differences that come into play.
Well... he only appeared to thrive.. there's no way that someone who continously consumes "toxic foods" will thrive ... it only appears to be that he is.. TEMPORARILY..! Consuming toxins..s will catch up to EVERYONE; some sooner - some later.
This is best interview i have seen explaining why some people get worse on carnivore as i did and need carbohydrate. I follow low to zero oxalate anyway
It works for me. I believe we all need to find what works for you. Everyone is different. No judgement. Much love ❤️. …my dog only eats plants when he needs to throw up. He will eat some cooked veggies though.
I am six months carnivore from most of my life being a vegetarian. I did try some zucchini steamed it. Upset my stomach. The next week I did try the avocado same. So for now I am staying carnivore
Have dropped all plant foods last 7 months. Feel amazing. Many benefits. Oxalates just about all out. Wish I'd never eaten the toxins. Mega brain fog totally gone.
Since going mainly carnivore I have noticed adding in plant foods causing instant discomfort. I know I need to take it slow and give my body more time to adjust to them but tbh every time I do it it just isn’t worth it to me.
I'm two years carnivore and still struggling with muscle spasms. I have applied the "saladino" approach with adding carbs and it does seem to help. I cycle in and out of about 60 grams carbs. I also try extended periods strict carnivore and the spasms come back. Going to keep experimenting. My health has come so far during my time as carnivore-ish. My carbs sources are fruit. Always great to hear from you. 💕
Wow! Thanks for sharing this John! I was just watching a Joe Rogan podcast where he shares he’s also doing a “Saladino approach” and finds its working better for him as well. Hope you have a smiley day!☺️
Sally K Norton says this is actually caused from Oxalate damage which effects the use of glucose from protein (meat). She recommends adding in a few carbs at dinner only until the body has healed and then you'll be able to extract the glucose from meat and finally be able to do 100% carnivore successfully.
@@SG-ji5ij Thank you. I am going to keep trying extended periods with no carbs. I don't think they are hurting me but I find they are something my body starts wanting more of the longer I eat them. I have gone several months carb free.
@@johnkane9472 add in Potassium Citrate and Magnesium Citrate supplements and adjust your salt (reduce if necessary) if you haven't tried that yet. The citrate will dissolve the Oxalates and the potassium and magnesium will help with the cramps (will take several weeks before noticing a difference). That's what worked the best for me. I'm finally off of carbs without cramps and my sleep has returned, finally. I've also found that eating a bit leaner (90/10 ground beef as an example) for dinner (don't eat past 3:30 p.m.) has also helped tremendously with my sleep. Eating any later seems to not allow enough time to digest the meat before bed and can cause you to sleep unrested and possibly wakeup at 2 a.m. wide awake.
I am healthier with fruits and veggies in my diet. I have gone strict keto and then strict carnivore for extended periods of time over the last two years. My weight loss always stalls and my thyroid issues flair back up. Right now I am doing gluten free and dairy free, while incorporating loads of fresh fruits, veggies and lean protein and salmon. It's working out so well for me. No more thyroid symptoms like muscle cramps, fatigue etc.
My main concern with plants is that they have "anti-nutrients" which interfere with the absorption of nutrients we get from the foods we eat which are highly bioavailable. Also, even tho' plants may have nutrients our body would like, we cannot absorb them from the plants we eat and these nutrients pass thru us.
Me, I can’t eat carnivore😫 Every time I do, my autoimmunes goes out of remission, and I end up in the hospital, I have to incorporate fermented foods every day in order to stay healthy, I still eat animal-based though… ketovore ❤
59 guy was in Carnivore for 17 months, tried to cut expenses back to ketodiet with plants. I lost weight which I did not wanted to do, plants did not taste good. Cutting expenses I used more eggs than ever, best I can buy, I ate these 3 evenings in a row, only 4, could not just eat more. Next weekend was really bad, I barely could train HIIT, pulse was 135 and did not go lower in 1 min 20 sec, usually it does go so high and drops quickly under 100. Next morning I saw why Lillie Kane was not using eggs any more, I had same issues. I am trying to get few kgs back for a week now with delicious cheese and meat. Try to leave eggs for a while, thank you all for comments advice.
I think this a lot about individual tolerance. People have different abilities to tolerate vegetation/carbohydrates, some zero some minimal, very few equal or greater than animal products. The greatest harm of all is a vegan diet, which sadly is being encouraged on a global scale.
I think it’s widely established that humans are meant to eat a meat-based diet. Whether or not some carbs or veggies are necessary is still to be determined and probably varies on an individual basis.
Glad I watched this, I'm one of those people that doesn't do well for those very reasons. Best of Luck to you and all of those finding out what works best for them.
I've known since I was born that I hate most plants. I feel best on a carnivore way of eating and I'm fine with that. If other ppl feel better eating plants, that's fine too.
Thank you Lillie. I think no one really knows right now for sure. There is such a political aspect to food and medicine globally right now. I do know animal products supply the essential fatty acids and amino acids we need in every part of our body. I also know the body works hard for homeostasis and will start creating what wit needs if we give it all the tools. I have toxic dumping going on as I lose weight and I tried adding in some as Nutritionist suggested an it didn't really help and seemed to increase my pain. I added back calcium/magnesium and D3 for breakthrough pain management. I joined the Steak and Butter gang on Mighty networks for community and to see if some had tried other things. The coaches on there have a method called priming that loads the body with the building blocks- seems to speed up the healing process. I am on week three and I am finally getting my energy levels up, since getting ill in Novemeber. People are all at indivdual levels, yes but sometimes we get worse before we get better and belonging to a group of experienced people to support you is vital, you may think you are getting worse because of how you feel or vise versa. All pharmaceutical medicine has a toxic "side effect" and most plant medicinals too but we can use them in small amounts to get the medicinal benefits. Humans have been doing this for thousands of years and some other mammals do this too(bears eat herbs when they are ill). -- Again lots we need to learn including body,mind, spirit connection and social too. Thank you.
Totally agreed with Elliott! As someone with toxic metals/ Lyme/ auto immunodeficiency… Oxalates genetic… strict Carnivore helped for months dropped inflammation… not sustainable long term for me… it’s about your Toxic Load!!! What’s the tipping point! You can’t cure Lyme with meat.
Lions are omnivores, bears are omnivores, and people are omnivores. It isn't difficult to understand. The problem is that we messed up the percentages. People have been eating too many carbs and not nearly enough meat.
@@w1975bAccording to the Purina website, it helps them to clear fur out of their bodies. It can act as a laxative, and settle an upset stomach. Sometimes it causes them to vomit fur. Sometimes it helps to compensate for a poor diet.
I eat tons of meat, eggs, and healthy fats, but I got to say I never really feel 100% unless I also add a heaping plate of hot butter cooked veg once per day. Normally broccoli, cauliflower, onions, garlic, cabbage, and carrots, along with a little cold pickled veg like pickles, asparagus, kimshi, sauerkraut, or whatever.
I love vegetables. I just don’t do it anymore. I started carnivore about a month ago. I feel better and I will be 64 in August. I did keto from 2018 until basically this year. We were on two vacations and I gained a size so I’m back on track. I feel so much better when I am not eating other things.
I think I am one of those people who can't do full blown carnivore. I've been carnivore for 2 years but the past 6 months my eczema has been getting worse. Butter, tallow, grass fed beef and organ meats are all causing flares and inflammation on my entire face. I get sinus congestion, headaches, brain fog, itchy throat. According to Elliot in another video and frank Tufano this occurs in carnivores when zinc consumption is too high and not enough copper. I'm currently taking kidney supplements and copper so hopefully I can continue carnivore but realistically when I would go off carnivore and eat SAD I didn't have any problems with my skin, just some minor pudginess.
9:45 - this attitude is pure relativism and should be avoided: to claim that everything has toxins therefore toxins in plants are okay is misleading because the so-called toxins in meat, fish, eggs, water aren’t natural toxins they’re a by-product of either poor husbandry or tainted environment. But plant toxins are 100% natural to normal healthy plants…that’s a huge difference. I agree with the point that context matters - i.e. depending on one’s starting point (genetic predispositions, health status, age, sex, etc) not all diets will be appropriate for all people and that for some people plants will be fine and carnivore detrimental in others. But I think Elliot’s right that a diet balanced more in favour of animal products at a population level would provide better health outcomes.
First thought was if there was any placebo in his argument. Could it be that the general population believes plants are good for you, so it's not the plant that's helping rather their psychological response to consuming plants. It's the same as getting rid of hiccups. You tell/ convince yourself something works like saying watermelon three times or staring at a light to get rid of the hiccups. But the solutions don't actually work. It's the psychological response that affirms it. And if the masses already believe veggies and fruits are good for you, then by definition your starting every subject as a placebo. Just a thought...
I’m in 5 months into carnivore and since a few weeks, I’m so tired all the time. I eat mostly beef, some eggs, poultry and pork. No coffee. Liver, vit D, zinc and magnesium supplement. I don’t know if it’s the winter weather or the diet … but I don’t know if I will continue..
Could be low potassium, low thiamine. I suffered the same. Depending on your pre-carnivore diet, you are probably some degree of malnourished. Make an exit plan from carnivore, with the understanding that you will probably suffer negative symptoms when reintroducing plant foods, but they will often go away if you persist, and your digestive system adjusts. If I could re-do my exit from carnivore, I would have gone more slowly, taken a good multi vitamin, Thorne b-complex, and potassium.
I am going to watch the videos and not comment anymore. Seems that I am always wrong in what I say or do. Take care and your videos are always very informative.
I do agree with him that certain diets or ways of eating are not once size fits all everybody needs to find their spot. And maybe he does have people he knows that do better off of carnivore. It’s just that people won’t even try
Carnivore did nothing for my major health problems. Switching from high carb to low carb and zero fibre helped me with constipation, cleared my eczema, stopped headaches and migraines, stopped recurring frequent infections and my gums stopped being very sore but carnivore worsened my digestion as the months went by and it improved only when I added a slice of sourdough daily and a bit of overcooked broccoli that I started to feel better. Carnivore is also impossible for hyper hyper responders whose LDL gets as high as 700 + because to lower such high levels they need to eat some carbs daily, or gain weight or take a statin pill once or twice a week.
I agree! I went strict Carnivore & 8 days later- my condition was worse than it ever was. Everyone said I was Oxalate dumping, so I added some carbs back in- didn’t help but I kept the carbs & actually feel better. Maybe this lifestyle is a marathon instead the sprint I was thinking it was going to be. I do still have my strict days but just knowing I can have carbs if I want them, makes life easier.
@@StreetTruckinTitan 6 months into it now & still having a little carbs. Soooo much better than that strict Carnivore- that was trying to kill me. Lost way too much weight, had no energy- looks like I was sick. Horrible as my body needs more than meat & water.
If you really think oxalate dumping might be part of the problem (or contributing in some way), then an alternative to adding carbs might be to add non-carby higher oxalate things like tea or kale/spinach. I’d heard from Sally Norton that the body’s oxalate dumping and clearing seems to happen in 3-week cycles. 🤷♀️
@@StreetTruckinTitan I did 67 days of carnivore and thought I was going to die. The dumping was incredible. Please don't tell people to 'keep going' - I wish I didn't go as long as I did.
@@InterTay Do what you want. Im just trying to help people break the carb addiction and it usually takes 90 days to create / break a habit. People need to realize you need to consume enough calories in fat / protein for this to work. ✌
I am noticing that the people doing carnivore for decades without problem do not eat organs just like the Inuits didn’t. The carnivores who are suddenly having to add fruit and vegetables back in are those eating a fair bit of organs. So since the organs can lead to hyper nutrition, and that can cause the thyroid function and health problems Saladino and others have, maybe that is the issue. The Inuits gave them to the dogs would be interesting to see.
I was wondering if a Carnivore diet is beneficial for people who suffer from pancreatitides? My 26 year old nephew is terrified to eat meat and eggs. He’s been Vegan for a couple of years now and losing his hair. We’ve been trying to convince him to eat meat but his Dietitian told him that he would end up with a major flare up.
Rarely is any food all good or all bad. A plant may have some downsides if eaten but with upsides that overshadow them if not consumed in excess. I also agree certain plan toxins likely induce a hormesis effect that stresses the body, but the healing process provides benefits to the body. In the end, you have to experiment with your diet to find what is optimal for you. Nutrition science is very complex, and it's hard to really truly know what the best diet is.
People never talk about genetics and blood types when talking about diets. Many ppl can't tolerate meats. I'm blood type B and I always felt the best when I've followed the diet for type B. I never did well on any meats and felt the best on plant based diet and little bit of fish. Most ppl of the world population is bloodtype O and they can tolerate meat well.
I have Lyme and although there was some benefits to doing the carnivore diet there were times when I felt worse and my cravings for carbs never went away on carnivore. I also have mercury toxicity. I am working on detoxing and eradicating Lyme. Then I want to commit to carnivore. Planning a nine(+) day dry fast to resolve Lyme in August.
There is no one diet that's perfect, or even optimal, for everyone. My diet of meat and dairy would kill my sister who is severely allergic to milk fat for example. The "standard" diet would kill me as I'm allergic to grains and soy, which are the staple foods in that diet, and bloat up and get terminally bad metabolic syndrome from all the sugars and starches in it. That's not the case for everyone either (and yes, I know that diet is promoted for ideological and economic reasons, not reasons of public health, which is scandalous).
@@marianking1379not cellulose veg fibre like kale cabbage maybe but soft fruit fibre and soft lettuce green watercress yes.we are designed very similar to frugivore fruit eating monkeys with teeth gut length strength of acid. We are not builtvlike a lion with fangs claws and short intestinal tract
if cow eats grass that has oxalates that that oxalates will be absorb in cow organs and cells than we eat meat can get same oxalates ..?look like it everywhere....not only in plants...
And here’s my other thing is yeah it’s not toxic until it is. A person can eat that way for a long time and then the damage is done. Right not cut it off at the beginning and just not go there
How about the idea that one of the greatest strengths to carnivore is the degree to which it is switching on fat for fuel. I would want to mess with that. Deuterium is another reason to stick to fat as fuel.
It’s all about DNA and methylation which are vastly different in each person. Methylation markers determine what food substance you can and can not assimilate. And that’s a huge rabbit hole most don’t want to address.
I've seen a few videos posted on YT about people who have been on carnivore for most of their lives and fairly old, I didn't watch them but you might be able to find those videos.
lyme-disease is a bacterial infection and requires antibiotic-treatment. please do not get fooled into thinking that any particular diet will rid You of it. if You have it, seek medical help immediately. the earlier You do, the better. regards.
It’s so awkward and like just super weird why does she keep smiling like that? Are you nervous? Are you not used to being on camera? I don’t know just something about this girl overall just seems very like fake automated very awkward like her whole personality just rubs me the wrong way. I’m trying to listen to what this man is saying and I keep just looking over and she’s just nodding and smiling like it’s just necessary and it just looks so fake, you should be being attentive and don’t need to be smiling. It’s fucking weird.
