Celestion Creamback G12M-65 & G12H-75 - A/B Comparison 

For anyone trying to figure out which they need: Ive owned lots of cabs and speakers and what Id say about the g12m-65 is after owning them for over a year is that theyre more greenback than anything else but with some ass behind them. Kind of like a very smooth g12m-25 but with real bass response. Its a beautiful creature. Ive never enjoyed the greenback for my style, but REALLY love these. The trade off in giving up some of the raucous raunchy detailed harmonic top end of the greenback for more present lows was perfection for me. The H75 is much the same when compared to the g12h30, smoother. Less jangly top end and a tighter , more controlled bass. Only had them for about a month and enjoy the Heritage 55Hz better only because if I want the classic H magnet sound I want it all over the place, top and bottom. The Creamback 75 smoothes out the ice pick rough edges of its cousin the g12H30. In all both are amazing, to me the coolest offering from Celestion since the v30 but they are very different from each other while both being modern interpretive updates on 2 classics. Like the V30 but want the upper mid spike gone? The H75 is your guy Like the Greenback but want more bass and are willing to give up a little top? M65 is for you

Thanks for the demo! I was ready to order the G12M but after watching this demo decided to go for the G12H instead, and I'm glad that I did.

At first sight, the G12H is more flattering, but the G12M is more balanced, the sound will be less boring because it is less typical. Mediums of G12M are ultimately more natural. I tried both, they are very good, but I find the G12M a little less defined and more vintage. For simplicity, the G12H for young ears and G12M for old ears damaged by the many concerts. Thks for this excellent demo !

H75 for me. Love the open, natural sound and snappy attack.

Anyone else looking at this comparison in 2020? Both speakers sound big and are excellent. The 75 is more focused with smoother, rounder tones while the 60 is raunchier, more aggressive and probably breaks up earlier. I would split a cab 50/50 with these speakers. The are very complimentary.

Excellent demo. They all should be as good. No excessive talking, just a variety of tones. I just ordered the 75.

an excellent demo with decent sound quality, using different guitars, pickups and styles so we can get a good idea of the difference between the two speakers...thanks heaps

Hey guys, sorry it took a while for someone to respond to your questions, just saw these! Thanks for the good words :) To clarify- both the "H" & "M" were powered by the same amp and loaded in the same closed back cab (white) on all clips. Both amp & cab designed & hand built by Dave Kracke of Kracke Amplification. Both of these speakers really sound fantastic in person and compliment each other well! The blend of the two in that room was way too much fun! =P Thanks again, all the best~ Tony

Great A/B comparison! Timely too, getting ready to buy a 2x12 and now I know I'll go with the G12H-75's. Thanks M8!

One of the best video comparison of two speakers on RU-vid !

I'm two weeks into my first Creamback, a G12M-65 in a Marshall DSL40C. Was worried it wouldn't have enough low end. Started off a bit fizzy but has suddenly started to break in and warm up, sounds glorious on high overdrive to moderate gain. The low end does not 'thump' like an H magnet but it is surprisingly full and balanced. I almost swapped it for a V30 but glad I didn't because it sounds awesome now.

Listen to 2:28-2:47 and the M65 sounds perfect to me for my style of classic and hard rock. I believe the M65 would stick out in a band mix better also. Now is you have a medium or smaller sized 2x12 cab I think the H75 would sound maybe a little better than the M65, but for an OVERSIZED 2x12 cab like a Bogner OS2x12, you wouldn't need all that extra low-end. So thats why I went with two M65's. Don't have em yet but they're on the way and can't wait. I also have a 4x12 Splawn (Small Blocks) and Mesa V30 cab that would make these Creambacks sound awesome I believe. So it makes since that an oversized cab might take the M65's better and a small cab like in this video would take the H75's better. We'll see, and I'll post a video of mine also.

he really feels it when he plays all those a chords . Dr epiphone would be proud

The G12M25 Creamback is a midrange focused speaker. Starting from that point, the G12M65 Creamback adds bass and treble while rolling back the midrange a bit. From there, the G12H75 Creamback is even more scooped than the 65, adding more bass and treble and comparatively less midrange. From there, moving on to the very common G12T75, you now have a strongly scooped midrange and even more bass and treble still. And the V30 is a lot like a Greenback but with a much brighter treble region.

Love the H clean sound and love the M's for chewy crunch! Thank,s for the demo

I have the 75 in my 112 using my Mesa R-V 25. A great match. Nice to hear you using one here👍

Both were very nice! I would probably do one of each and get a nice blend of both.

It seems like the h-75 has a more open live sound to it that shows some more outside noise, great for an AC/DC tone, while the m-65 is more of a tight studio sound, with some of the high mids scooped. Great for leaving room for the vocal with no EQ. I'm gettin an m-65 for my vintage peavey 212 transtube to go along with the Sheffield 1230 that's in there, with both speakers to chose I should get a monster tone.

sounds like the H75 has more highs and a little bit more defined, while the M65 is a little more warm! both sounds great from this demo :) thumbs up :))

Thanks for the good words MJ :) That custom just happened to be at the studio! The guys who run the place didn't know the exact year, just that it was early 70s. Not sure what pickups were in it, sorry man. They felt like a lower output PAF style to me. The strings were pretty dead on that guitar but we were diggin the way it sounded as was so thought we'd do a few clips on it anyway, lol. Kinda hard to get anything other then great tones out of a Kracke amp & the creambacks sounded great too!

This is a great comparison, thanks. I never realized how 'scooped' sounding the M65 was until put side my side with the H75.....love the M65 though, sounds as it's intended to me....a higher power Greenback.

You do a superb job here comparing both these speakers but the whole time i watched and listened I could not help but seeing Bill Paxton and Pete Thorn playing guitar here but awesome job man

the H sounds pretty modern..hifi-ish, balanced. The M is vintage all the way...I love its soft top and its British throatiness. Im really torn on what Id want...

Very close, but I slightly prefer the 75. The 3dB extra sensitivity is noticeable and what I would need to make sure my amp is loud enough with a drummer. Of course this comparison could be totally different if tested out on stage at gig volumes.

Wow... exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for setting it up real-time. Like the dudes below, I have a DSL40c as well that I am looking to pick up a new speaker for. Looks like the 75 is the winner... hope it sounds good at lower volume/20w mode . =)

The only yt clip that I could tell a difference between the two 👍🏻 The 75 sounds more open and bigger than the 65

The M is like a lazer beam and the H is like a bulldozer, very cool comparison

I think this guy studies Keith urban's moves in front of a mirror all day long... Lol

The both sound great, but that h75 blew me away. Just bought one to throw in my port city cab. Thanks for the demo...

4:27 is the sound im after, i dont know what he did but his sound instantly got better at this mark IMO. He used this guitar earlier but it didnt sound like it did at 4:27 IMO thats the marshall bark im looking for.

Creamback G12M-65

Thanks for the vid, think I'll get one of each, see how they react to the rest of my gear; go from there.

Great video man!! This a perfect demonstration of the two side by side

The H75 sounds really great to my ears. I think I will put one into my DSL40c. Thanks for demo

Good demo, thanks!

Great playing! I prefer the 65, not quite as warm as the 75 and has a nice bite!

The 65's have a better bass response in my ears! awesome demo!!

Luke Skywalker bargained his laser saber ?

Really digging the 75's here, very thick/full tone, 65's sound really good also, might set in the mix a little better.

Amazing demo,, best comparison out there, and great playing. You covered it all in this vid

I like the G12H slightly over the G12M - the H sounds a bit more balanced, whereas the M has a bit too much bottom for my tastes, but it just depends what you're looking for.

Wonder how the Creamback 75 or 65 would pair up an blend with a Vintage 30 in a 2X12 cab?

I prefer the G12H 75. I'd like to hear a comparison between it, the Eminence Wizard and the WGS Retro 30.

rockin' out! I like it.

i remember watch this 6 or 7 years ago and appear again in my timeline today lol

75 sound a better by far. Although I just ordered a 65 to pair with a 30 in the same cab

It's a closed back cab hand built by Dave Kracke (same builder of the amplifier) of Kracke Amplification :)

I wish the H75 had been around when i swapped out my Vintage 30. Was using an Orange OR50 with a TS as a boost with a P90. Suffice to say i had to get a different speaker because it culminated into the cheap radio 1-1.5k hz sound. The V30 developed cone cry too because i was overpowering it. Replaced it with a Weber Axis which made me scratch my head as to why Orange bothers using V30's. The main complaint of Orange amps is that they're fizzy but it is no wonder why. I found out the 2008 anniversary OR50 matching cabs had G12H's. The Axis was a copy of a Fane Axiom. A chimy speaker clean but tight and moves a lot of air when distorted. Unlike the alnico Fanes, i chose a ceramic magnet. Thought id ve a Weber customer for life but u love that G12H75 and probably the original G12H in general. I like Greenbacks but want higher headroom. Now i want to compare my Weber with a G12H. I think the two would sound stellar in a 2x12.

65 sounds thinner ,crisper . Lows & highs. 75 Sounds bigger - more stuff in between. Here I like the 75. Bought one.

Nicely done comparison. At first I was afraid it was all high gain, which is common. Plus two amps.... Obviously you're smarter than that. The only down side is that I have a 65 and it seems I like the 75 better.....

I vote to mic them both..... the 75's lowend punch w/ sizzling mids sounds great for gain or overdrive..... 65's sound sweater for the cleaner or light crunch tone. Hope they are a louder speaker like the Vintage 30 compared to the G12H-30.

WOW, the G12H's sound AMAZING. Great playing btw. Love how you dig into the bridge pickup - love that sound. I wanted to ask, at 4:26 on the timeline, you switched to a black Les Paul, playing these very classic chords through both amps, starting with the G12H loaded cab. What's the zebra bridge pickup in that black Les Paul? Thanks.

Which one has better cleans, I wonder?

I tested both of them: it's not at all that big difference as in this video. So it must be particularly the mic placement (watch the different positions! That makes a huge difference)

damn i didn't know fastback made amps and cabs too. everything about these tones is almost perfect, ice just put an od infrot of the distorted channel. nice and brootz \m/

I am sure they feel different but the H75 and M65 sound so similar to me.

No comment is best, just sound.

Good video and great tone! That looks like a comfortable chair to play in. Any idea of the model?

What OHMs was this signal chain run at? 8 or 16? In series? Parallel? In this test, on most comparisons, I found myself preferring the "bigness' of the H-75 (it just fills the space in the stereo image/feels like it's "outside" of the speaker/more 3D. However the M-65's felt a bit more "right"for the softer clean playing examples. The H-75 is more hi-fi/with a much larger frequency spectrum to my ears. The M-65s feel scooped in a similar manner to the frequency response of an SM57.

I think the G12H is a more versatile cab, I play a Peavey Classic 30 through the 4 x 12 cab with G12h's and it takes the sound to new level, well away from the classic peavey sound, just opens it up and hums rock and metal with a little bit of restraint.

The 65 is more close to the greenback. The 75 is like a V30 but not V30, more highs... If I have to pick one, I would pick a cab with Creamback 65.

G12H-75 is far better for a open back normal channel only blonde Bassman circuit combo I'm about to build, I think. Said that, here in Brazil Celestions are double the cost of the Eminences, so I will try the GB12 first (half-way between these two of the video).

THANKS!

Great demo. Do you reckon you can get similar sounds from both speakers with right EQ? The G12M seems to have looser low end and less mids. Do you think setting the bass lower on the EQ and adding some mids and presence would move it to the G12H territory?

which one is better to pair to a vintage 30?

Probably sound even better with both going

I have a Marshall 1960A with G12H30 Anniversaries and love the hefty bottom and aggressive midrange but the highs are too much for my JCM2000. Considering a 2x12 with G12H 75 Creambacks. I love lots of mids and big lows with smooth highs. From this vid they seem to fit the bill but does anyone have input on this?

G12H hands down.

the 75 sounded fuller and clearer to me, the 65 sounded thinner and more fizzy 75 wins!

Those H's are bad arse! Tony you rock man, thanks!

Are these 8 or 16 ohm speakers?

I like both, but maybe in a 2x12 I would prefer the M paired with a V30

I wonder how a 4x12 Marshall cab would sound with a mix of these (2-12M's and 2-12H's) diagonal to each other connected to an original 65' JTM45?

is it just me or, that guy's enjoying these chords way too much?

Nice comparison. Which would be better for an Orange PPC 1x12 cab?

Are you Zack effrons brother?

so the mic placement was totally different on them? what good is that?

Is one mic pointed at a speaker each? If that's the case, would the mic on the left not pick up more of the cab?

A picture says a 1000 words but I don't want to assume because you know why. Anyway are both speakers in the same cab and we are only hearing one 1x12 speaker at a time or is this hollywood magic and the clips were made using 2x12 configuration and then the speakers swapped out and clips were made of the other speaker in a 2x12 configuration? If we are hearing it in a 2x12 configuration it would make a huge difference in sound and I'm only interested in buying 1 for my 1x12.

What's the audible difference between the Creamback H-75 and the Scumback H-75 LD 65W ? Does one of these fit good to fenderish and marshallesque tones ?

MIx um in a 4x12

In this demo the Creamback 75 sounds better... puncher and more 70's...brought up to now and beyond........

Luke...use the force!

The H75 is much better to me than the warmer more murky M65 I dont like the roundness of the 65M

Hi there,I have got a Marshall dsl 40cr the back is half open on this amp, and i hate the v-type speaker that comes with it. There is a fizzy frequency i cant stand, tryied many things to get rid of it. I want a speaker change, do you recommend a G12m65 or a g12h75. Playing mostly Hardrock, punk really want good sounding powerchords, please help thx🙂

I would recommend the Lynchbacks first.

what kind of camera did you use in this video? :) and which one was used for the gm12 65 the 12ohm or the 8ohm?

For me the M sounded underdamped, muddy, when it was played clean on the low E. Higher Q due to magnet strength I suppose.

Hey its Tony!

Has someone mischievously pasted a comment section onto this simple speaker demo', from a video giving details recent war atrocities? There's little hope for us as a species, is there?

I'm torn I want to pair one of these two with my vintage 30. I'm curious if the M would keep up with it... I wish there were a few demos out there pairing the v30 with these speakers. I have the g12t-75 with the v30 now and it sounds pretty good. I want to try a creamback though. I'll probably hang on to the g12t-75 though

The angle of the mics are not identical between the two speakers

Very good comparison. I think the G12M sounds fuller with a clean setting but I think it sounds compressed and muddy when you add gain. The G12H is an all around better speaker I think. Tweak the EQ for a bit more mids to thicken up the clean and it's all good. I'd like to see a comparison of some alnico speakers. Celestion golds vs Eminence red fangs or something.

... And here we see excessive gesticulation and drama posing out in the wild....

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They seem to be mic'ed up completely different... Only me that thinks that? I wanted to like the 65 watt more, but it sounded terrible on all demos. The 75 watt smashed it.

Can someone, who does actually own the 65 and 75, PLEASE tell me WHICH one has the more scooped mid and have more over-the-top presence (highs)? From what I can clearly hear on this comparison, the 65 has significantly more SCOOPED mid and sharper upper presence. I've gone to other forums and a lot of people are saying exactly opposite of what I'm hearing here. People say that the 65 emulates more of the Greenback "warm / midsy" and rounder highs...and that the 75 is more "scooped" mid with more highs in the 20k Ohms register, but I don't hear that. I hear the opposite. People have compared the 65 to sound similar to the Greenbacks (warm and midsy), but I just don't see it because I have a pair of Greenbacks and they are quite midsy and does lack the highs, which is why I switched them out for my current V30; so I don't see how the 65 is even close to the Greenbacks. I'm looking to do a purchase and I'm like totally confused because from what I hear, clearly the 65 has significantly more SCOOPED mid and more highs (which appears to sound slightly thinner) and the 75 sounds more balanced w/ slightly more mid. Other vids I hear seem to confirm this, but the comments I'm reading here and on other forums are completely opposite. Some people have posted that if you buy a 65 and your amp tends to sound darker and rounder in the highs then expect the 65 to make it sound even darker and less highs...(???). WTF. How is it even possible when the 65 seems to be the clear winner of the "scooped mid" and "increased High" sounding speaker?? Can someone, who actually owns them and have made side by side comparison, shed some real light on this issue. Basically, I have an amp that really lacks the highs and has tons of Mids that I'd like to tame. I really wanted the 65 to help scoop the unwanted mid and increase the lacking highs, BUT some postings swear that the 75 will do just that and NOT the 65 as it will "reduce" the highs and boost the mid...? (What???). I'm just not hearing that. I'm confused. By the way, I listen to these comparisons thru my Yamaha HS80M and KRK Rokit 8 and my studio headphones.

is this an open or a closed back cab?

all I hear is the difference of mic placement.. You can even see them not being equally positioned

Some people are just animated when they play. It doesn't matter where they are :)