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Celestion G12t-75 Vs G12-65 Shootout

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Celestion G12t-75 Vs G12-65 is a not a very common Celestion speaker mix even though as they are largely know as Marshalls stock speakers from around 1979 to present (with a few exceptions in between). At Zilla Cabs we rarely get asked for it, and the mix really rocks for many different style.
The Celestion G12tt75 (T75) is more commonly known as the stock Marshall 4x12 speaker since the mid 80s. It can get a bad wrap, but we don't think it deserves that. The Celestion G12-65 is known as a more electric blues/blues rock style speaker used often by users of more boutique amps.
To do this we recorded both speakers in an identical 1x12 setup, same mics, mic placements, amps and settings by re-amping the same scenario through several different styles.
We love to hear your thoughts on anything speaker related, if you've used this pair before or the individual speakers, or if you have any suggestions please get in touch.
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Gear used:
Zilla Fatbaby 1x12 cab
Marshall JMP 100W
Laney VC15
Deisel Schmidt
Peavey 5150
Marshall silver jubilee
PRS CU22
Fender EJ Strat
Ibanez Artist

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25 авг 2024

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@morningstar3188 2 года назад

I've kind of arrived at the conclusion that Metallica's secret Ride the Lightning sauce is the G12-65 and this video has confirmed it. People obsess over the tone settings, but the truth is you can turn knobs all day long and you won't make as much difference as 1) the Sonic signature of the speakers and 2) the pickups, which were some standard somewhat hot Gibson's (most likely 500T as that's what they put in the explorers of the time). And spare me the argument about actives or Duncan Invaders. They used Invaders to record Master and they didn't start using actives until the tour for Master of Puppets. Facts.

@doopo_ 2 месяца назад

The 75 sounds more like RTL to me, it has that same high end to it you can hear on the album. The 65 just sounds too muddy.

@whoisthenext1 3 года назад

Your comparisons are so nice and useful. Bravi !

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 3 года назад

I'm disappointed... You said I would hate this! The G12-65 sounds really good! The contrast makes the 75 sound extra unbearable. lol

@ZillaCabs 3 года назад

haha, well I'm glad you listened anyway ;)

@georgefromgreece4119 2 года назад

Get G1265 for flatness, sweet mids and attenuated highs. Especially for some open backs. It's great for blues and older, classic rock. The T75 has huge low mids scoop plus some high end chainsaw sizzle. It is great for 80s hardcore punk/ thrash/ metal.

@alirezaroshannahad 3 года назад

very useful! thank you!

@ZillaCabs 3 года назад

Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful.

@taxo 3 года назад

The 65 sounds sweeter and smoother in The top end, works great with 60s style singles, the 75 are way more spanky and should match better 50s single coils. With overdrive the 65 smoothness deliver a far more vintage, almost record like sound, but the 75 has that presence and zzzing that vibes more alive. I feel that while the 65 might be a fine stand alone speaker (better than the 75) the 75 coupled with a more middy speaker (a V30 for example) can deliver in spades and be more enjoyable and rock just better. Great vid btw!

@lovecraftmusic8717 3 года назад

People keep believing that T75 and v30 is a good match... Totally wrong! V30 has 100db sensitivity while the T75 has 97db. This alone should prove that volume wise, the T75 would disappear... Moreover the v30 is a fucking chainsaw and its freqs are much more bright, harsh, cutting and unpleasantly ear-piercing compared to the T75 that is darker and with less mids. Stop this myth.

@taxo 3 года назад

@@lovecraftmusic8717 I've tried plenty of times, the V30 is indeed louder but you can still hear the t75, and it delivers too.

@giorgosk2884 2 года назад

@@lovecraftmusic8717 Yeah v30 kills the 75 in the same cab its 3db louder .I have tested speakers with only 1 db difference in a 2x12 and still u can hear the speaker with 1 db more sensitivity.Not a fan of mixing speakers in same cab

@lovecraftmusic8717 2 года назад

@@giorgosk2884 I think you can... as long you respect the sensitivity. V30 is too loud and harsh compared to almost any other speaker...

@georgefromgreece4119 Год назад

Excellent comment

@guidobandito4370 2 года назад

For over 30 years I could never use Celestion speakers......that was until I decided to try a set of 65's. Wow, the sound I've been looking. I always used Eminence but something was always missing. Top end chime perhaps? They never had "that" sound that makes you think Rock / Metal, etc. The 65's nail the sound. No top end fizz and cutting broad midrange.

@richnoble6315 10 месяцев назад

It would have been really useful to hear both in a mix. The 75s sounded fizzy alone but might cut through better?

@ZillaCabs 10 месяцев назад

We're working on a bunch of new videos, we'll take that in to account.

@Capt_shred 2 года назад

What a great video

@ZillaCabs 2 года назад

Thanks Josh

@alrecks619 Год назад

two speakers that represents two different eras of Rock and Metal, i think (with G12-65s being late 70s to early 80s while G12T-75s being late 80s to 90s)

@ZillaCabs Год назад

Yeah that's a good way of looking at things. The T75 gets a lot of hate these days but I love it for the right jobs.

@greg3030 5 месяцев назад

My ‘83 JCM 800 4010 had a G12-t75 in it, it has a WGS V30 innit now, sounds amazing.

@sugarnap245 2 месяца назад

Important to know that g12t/75’s from the 80’s/early 90’s sound completely different than a modern g12t-75. The original t75’s sounded way more like g12-65’s

@LordofDiamondsMetal 2 года назад

G12-65 for the win. It sounds massive with none of the annoying high end resonant frequency. The G12T-75 sounded better for the clean tones, though.

@lovecraftmusic8717 6 месяцев назад

I like the t75 better for its aggressiveness... Seems like you have more distortion but it also has that zing that is a bit too much; if only it had less... Maybe mixing just one t75 in a 4x12 with other 3 g65 would be a good match.

@pipespeeps5349 6 месяцев назад

yeah, but the g12 65 sounded a bit under water, so i preffered the t75s for more openness

@mutantbaby1672 3 года назад

T-75 has a top emphasis that's good for clean but fizzy with gain. Probably bad for amps voiced like H&K Grandmeister which has a tendency to be fizzy to begin with.

@ZillaCabs 3 года назад

I know what you mean there, I think that can be worked in to some sounds, especially with lower gain.. when that happens I call it more of grit or bite than fizz, but I do know what you mean.

@stanislavmigra 2 года назад

I will be very angainst the grain, but I prefere the G12t-75. More bottom end and yet more articulate. The 65 sounds like behind blanket.

@ZillaCabs 2 года назад

I'll be perfectly honest here, I don;t think our recording of the G12-65 in this situation quite gave it justice. We recorded a whole bunch of speakers in the same setting but I think the G12-65 suffered the most of the inflexible way we recorded the speakers... that said, nothing wrong wit preferring the T75, I love that speaker. Thanks for watching.

@stanislavmigra 2 года назад

@@ZillaCabs thanks for doing those videos. Very helpfull. I have that classic Marshall 2x12 cab, with G12T and looking for upgrade/change towards more vintage sound. Mainly to get bit more topend and articulation, but it looks like, G12T are pretty good speakers, all things considered.

@stanislavmigra 2 года назад

@@ZillaCabs once again, Im very gratefull, you are doing these. Celestion should be doing these (instead of their very vague description on webpage). You "should" be only promoting your cabs 😃

@metalinsights9664 2 года назад

@@ZillaCabs The G12T-75 is known for being difficult to mic. Would you be able to share how you recorded it in this video or what your preferred mic placement is for recording the G12T-75 with just one mic (e.g., an SM57)?

@lucwilson1 Год назад

65 lacks presence and cut... It rolls off the high too soon... The 75 has that high end fizz but I bet it cuts way more in a mix or live settting

@unabonger777 Год назад

for sure and just roll off a little high end if your amp if needed...perfect! you can cut whats there but you can't boost what isn't there.

@TonyODonnell Год назад

the '65sounds dull in comparison, id prefer the '75s for more of a rock/metal tone over the slightly blues'er 65s.......

@marekcizler9618 3 года назад

Great comparison again ! Thank You guys ! I have a question. Maybe You know answer. Is a Marshall Heritage 80w speaker some Marshall labeled variant of G12 65?

@JaimeNoro 2 года назад

The 16 ohm T75 is a bit harsh due to it's extended high end, but I'd wager the 8 ohm version of the T75 would give the 15 ohm G12-65 a run for its money.

@lovecraftmusic8717 6 месяцев назад

What's the deal with the impedence? I thought they sounded the same...is 8 ohms amoither/darker?

@morningstar3188 2 года назад

7:29 the entrance music for Hulkamania begins. You're welcome.

@Hakujap1 3 года назад

I’ve got a 1960a cabinet with four original G 12 -65 speakers from 1985. Looking to pull two of them and replace with something else. What would be a good speaker to complement the G 12-65 for 70s rock tones? Greenbacks? Cream backs? Would love to hear your suggestions. And as always great video

@ZillaCabs 3 года назад

Hi Bryan, I love the greenbacks with the G12-65, I actually like the neo creambacks too. I think we should have a video on 21 speakers vs the G12-65, if we haven't put it up yet I'll try and get that post up in the net week or so. I do really like the greenbacks though with the G12-65, they seem to soften things up a bit.

@Hakujap1 3 года назад

@@ZillaCabs thanks guys. I’ll go for some greenbacks then. Love the videos!

@SimmonsCabinets Год назад

Hello Bryan.I am interested in knowing if you did in fact pull those 2 65 speakers and replace them?If so and if you still have the 65's would you have any interest in parting with them?

@alrecks619 Год назад

Something that isn't as spiky, that's for sure. You might wanna look up on M65 Creambacks or Eminence DV-77 (it's aimed for metal but i'm sure it's pretty good for clean and rock tones, too)

@GolecLuka Год назад

Dont touch it XD

@KyleCarrington 5 месяцев назад

I had a G12T 75 in my mesa F50 for its whole life. And I finally wrecked it. And my amp has never been turned up loud. Ever. The magnet separated. Its a crispy fizzy speaker. Not the nicest celestion you'll hear. Now I'm shopping for better tone

@robertbmxpa 3 месяца назад

It's almost like someone is turning a metal zone pedal on and off

@alastairtilley3585 3 года назад

Speakers are meant to be mixed.

@anthonycashero7605 3 года назад

It's cool to mix. Yep. I've tried keeping sensitivity similar between them.

@brozio77 3 года назад

lovr both whne i can afford it i would buy also a 65 to pair up with my 75

@Hakujap1 3 года назад

I’ve got a 1960a with 4 g12-65s. Was thinking of pulling two and replacing them with something else. What would be your guys’ suggestion?

@ZillaCabs 3 года назад

I hate it when facebook glitches and I end up leaving two responses ;)

@Hakujap1 3 года назад

@@ZillaCabs ha. Me too.

@OperationEndGame Год назад

I like the 65 with strat and tele…humbucker, not so much..

@beatlejuice5951 2 года назад

I hate how the made in China celestion g12t-75 speakers sound nothing like the real g12t-75's.

@ZillaCabs 2 года назад

It's probably just the slight changing of parts over the years rather than them being made in China. Remember the older G12T-75s have had a good twenty plus years to bed in and settle down a little...... But I do know what you mean, the old T75s are a great speaker and often overlooked.

@beatlejuice5951 2 года назад

@@ZillaCabs I'm not sure what it is but they sound totally different. Like thicker and warmer. The Chinese one's are thin and harsh and have that fizzy shit on the top end.

@giorgosk2884 2 года назад

@@ZillaCabs They have different eq its not the breaking-in period. All uk vs china sound different

@alrecks619 Год назад

like Paul said, it's mainly the different components' supplier that mostly affects the tone rather than where it's being made. There might be some differences when it comes to climate but i think Celestion tried to find a place in China for assembly where the air feels similar to that of UK.

@beatlejuice5951 Год назад

@@alrecks619 yeah and also the color on the walls that they paint the factory with makes a difference in tone

@AnonContributor 3 года назад

2 each in a 412. X-pattern. Sonic metal madness...

@BaroqueBlues 4 месяца назад

G12t75 had better note individuation, it sits on top of the mix, the harsh brightness could be dialed out... The other speaker (which I have in an amp currently) is better if you want it to sound like a mush ball & be buried in the mix. FYI: I play low/medium gain, so I'm not talking about a chugga chugga tone.