One of the few videos where, although there is a healthy amount of gain, it never goes past 70s rock. That in addition to you being a great player, and using a great amp, really is one of the few speaker comparison videos that is actually informative. All your speaker comparisons are extremely helpful, probably more that any I’ve heard.
Since u watched this video . I sold my Traynor YCV 50 which had a creamback 65 and sold the extension cab that went with it which had a V30 both of which were 8ohm. Traded the Traynor for a Marshall DSL 40Cr and then swapped out the stock V type speaker for a creamback M65 which was a huge improvement and made the DSL 40 sound much more vintage warmer and Eliminated the the accessive fizz and harshness.. I also noticed that the 16ohm version of the M65 was much nicer sounding compared to the 8. Less compressed and more open . I also pickup up an orange 1 by 12 with a 16ohm V30 and was blown away by how amazing orogne cabs sound . I am not a fan of orange amps but their cabs are second to none . The M65 and V30 combo with the DSl 40Cr is just amazing . The sound is so huge. The low mids with that set up is just unbelievable. The low mids are so deep and full and it just kicks you rigjt in the guts and the upper mids of the V30 keep the huge lower mids from overpowering the rest of the sound and keep things form getting Muddy and when I play my explorer through that set up the sound get bigger still with the low mids of the explorer but still the clarity does not suffer . The Burstbuckers 2 and 3 in the explorer are the perfect pickups with this setup. The brightness and Strident quality and bite of the Burstbuckers work really well at keeping the clarity in such a low midrange heavy set up. The BBs get rounded off just enough just enough with the low mids of the explorer and the Creamback . The explorer is fast becoming my favorite guitar . All of my heroes play les Paul's and SGs so I always gravitated towards those but the tone of the explorer is really starting to speak to me more .. I am starting to view the explorer as my sound. I also find the explorer a little more forgiving of my questionable chops . Ha!
Bouwe F. I agree I have a vintage 30 in my blackstar and a g12t-75 I want to throw the cream back in my extension cab. the demos I've heard on the cream back are amazing! and I love my vintage 30!
Thanks for another smoking demo Jim ! Very nice comparison. Fantastic playing that showcases these two great speakers. It hard to pick a favorite. I would lean towards the creamback. They sound better together. You rock man ! Love that 74' ! Cheers !
+Jim Burkard I am probably going to buy a used egnater tourmaster 4x12 cab with vintage 30s. Birch construction. I will put two creambacks on top after hearing your speaker comparison. I will drive it with my DSL head. Thanks !
No matter which of the two you own, both are a win. Pair both of them and you're in for your most wet wet-dream come true. Nevertheless, the 65w cream is the new celestion workhorse for rock and heavy, simply one of the best ever. Pair it with the H 75w cream and you'll be on a one way trip to tone nirvana. I'm a high wattage high gain Marshall user, so I don't know firsthand how suitable the creamback lineup would be for other kind of heads, like rectifiers and mods. Keep on rocking.
Great video and great playing. With tone it's always subjective and there is no right or wrong. I think I'm the odd man out here, but I like the Creamback over the V30. Thanks for sharing.
They both have their appeal. I have a V30 in a 2x12 cab with a lead 80 and it kicks the crap out of the Lead 80 for tone (my amp is Marshall JVM410H). The Lead 80 sounds too 'nasally.' The V30 always cuts through (in a good way). In some vid. clips it can sound a little too 'bitey' (maybe even harsh) with the high end, but practical application is much different and it just works. The low end is punchy and ballsy. I have a 1x12 cab with a Eminence CV-75. The Eminence sounds dead and muffled compared to the V30. I am considering the Creamback for the 1x12 and wondering how it will mix with the V30 and you just answered my question... which is great! Thanks for the vid. I appreciate not having to do all of the comparing on my own. Now in the market for a Creamback! Thanks again.
Stratodan 27 I normally pick the creamback over the vintage 30 too but the v 30 sounds a little better on this setup the playing wad great and I could be that the v30 Suits his playing style more. normally v30s don t sound this good to me.so it's s testament to the players skill . the v30 has a harder sound here but it's not harsh at all.
Really prefer the thicker, meat of the V30. In every single creamback demo I'm hearing, They seem a bit distant, scooped and hearing a fizzier top end in the overdrive. I like high gain tones but always trying to get it without the fizz. To me V30's tend to have a cleaner, clearer tone that cuts thru a mix..
I'm so with you on the fizz thing. I think a lot of guys go for that because it sits up in that upper mid/treble range that cuts through and gets heard. I love that frequency range, but I want it to be a grinding sound, not a grainy/fizzy sound. From this video I'd prefer the V30 as well.
Sounds thick as brick, Jimmy. I have a Celestion G12H-75 Creamback, 12-Inch 75W 16ohm cab that I push with a little Mesa Recto-verb 25 and my LPS. The creambacks sound great with Pauls. Man I really like your lemon LP! It’s a real beauty👍
I love the combo of the v30 and creamback m65 . after watching this video I decided to get a creamback m65. I was going back and fourth over whether I should get a g12h75 creamback or the m65. I normally prefer h magnet speakers like a vintage 30 or g12h30 anni or heritage o was all set to order the h75 creamback when I say this video my 1 by 50 watt combo had a vintage 30 and I have av1 by 12 cab and was finding to v30 speakers to be a bit to harsh and cluttered sounding on the mids . and a bit to much fizz . once I heard them the v30 and creamback 65 paired in this video I was sole on the idea . I was going for a very similar sound to what is heard in this video and I am now very close to the sound i hear in my head . I have my amp exactly where I want it I have rolled through alot of tubes and now have the combo that works best in my amp and have the perfect speaker combo . I love the low mids of the creamback and the upper mids of the v30. makes for a perfectly balanced and versatile sound that can cover both vintage and modern. my sg with whole lotta humbuckers sounds absolutely wonderful . very led zeppelin at earls court 75 sound . have to get a les paul with whole lotta humbuckers now. my les paul trad with slash alnico 2 also sounds amazing with my new speaker set up . I get that very half cocked wah vowely mid range sound with the slash a2 loaded led paul which is great for those classic 80s hard rock and classic metal tones and the sg with whole lotta humbuckers give me that overwound paf classic 70s rock tone I love .. I now have the setup to cover the two main tone types that I love the most and playing is so much more fun now that everything sounds the way I want it too and I find my self playing alot more . I just can't get enough of the sound in hearing and experimenting with it. I feel extremely motivated to just play and improve . I found a sound that works very well for me and am sticking with it and building on it .
running a 100 watt kt 66 vintage /modern marshall , just built a 2x12 and put the cream backs in it.. love the punch definitely a smoother tone than out of my v 30 s
the vintage 30 sounds clearer but a bit harder sounding . the creamback is smoother but slightly less defined. I think which is better comes down to the application. for home use I would go creamback but for a band setting I would take the vintage 30. the vintage 30 is better for heavier styles as the h magnet gives it a bigger and tighter bottom. to my ears the vintage 30 dominated in the mix . the creamback is less efficient at 97 db where the v30 is 100 an and has a larger magnet. I prefer the creamback h 75 to both of these.
Not sure if you are using open back or sealed cabs in this one, Tested 2 1977 4holers 50 watt today, They work as well with one of each Can't thank you enough!!
As always, nice work Jim! One question, are the speakers out-of-the-box new, or broken in; and if broken in, how many hours would you say were on them?
Thanks Michael, the speakers are broken in. The V30's have many hours from touring and the Creambacks have local shows and recording use. Exact hours, I'm not sure but the V30's have more on them.
Really helpful video, both sounded great but the Creamback to my ears was a bit fuller and almost chimier on the chord driven rhythm parts. I'm bidding on a 2x12 at the moment with the 65s in it at the moment, on the strength of this video I really hope I win it!
The V30 is definitely cutting more through. Maybe the fact it's been broken in with more hours...? The CreamBack 65 is a very good speaker as well, with a maybe wider spectrum, but it would fit better with an amp that pushes more mids through. I personnally have a 2x12 with a G12T75 and a V30 both well broken in. The V30 pushes through lead notes and the G12T75 brings flesh to rythmic licks. The settings on the amp need a bit of work to accommodate both but, once it's achieved the result is worth it \m/
frantisca i have a 4x12 with 2 v30's & 2 g12t-75's and its the best of both worlds, I'm running a Marshall 2000 TSL 60, my only set back is my guitar now which i am going to upgrade the bridge pick up soon. I have an Agile 2000 LP copy and its a nice solid guitar and with the right pick up you can get that nice LP Crunch
do you find the highs to be harsher or brighter on the 75s or 30s? my 75s have a bit too much sharpness for me but I always hear the v30s are ice pick I'm curious tho since the 75s also are labeled as harsh , which one would you say is easier on the ears in person?
Hi there,I have got a Marshall dsl 40cr the back is half open on this amp, and i hate the v-type speaker that comes with it. There is a fizzy frequency i cant stand, tryied many things to get rid of it. I want a speaker change, do you recommend a G12m65 or a g12h75. Playing mostly Hardrock, punk really want good sounding powerchords, please help thx🙂
Great demo, thanks for taking the time to do this! On a side note, I've heard this song 100's of times and know it's a 70's band but the name escapes me, can you please remind me who?
I have creamback M65 in my mooded blues junior which would drive a 4ohm load for a 2x12" setup due to the ouputtransformer upgrade and i considered buying a V30 and buidling a 2x12" combo. so what I am reading I think there could be problems because the V30 has 100db and the creamback sloley 97db efficacy but I also heart that they are nice together. could somebody give me their thoughts please?? I almost use the amp in a band situation. thank you :)
Sounds killer. As of know, what would you put in a Marshall 2061CX cab? I love the sound of the G12M Heritage but I am afraid it might sound too wimpy - in other words not loud enough. I mainly use a JTM45. Cheers!
Great Demo Jimmy;)! I have a question for you! Those V30 are the english ones (not chinese), are they the same you find in mesa rectifier cabinets? Thanks for your time, keep rockin'
Hi GioeleVio, I'm not sure if they're the same or not. I've read about the English and Meda V30's sounding better than the Chinese made variant but I've never done a comparison to clarify that. Cheers!
+Jimmy Burkard get those damn strings off the bridge!!! lol. awesome r9 man. the lemon youll never forget.......lol. reason im here: just placed an order for two creams in 16 ohm config for my port city 212 os. im tweakin so hard right now....cheers fellow lp lover. d
+Jimmy Burkard ooohhh i just got smoked....lol. i always thought the lemon burst was just r9. silly me. both of my lps are custom lites from 87 (bought seperate and somehow both were made less than a week apart). love em, but play my buds r7 goldtop brazi fret, and man that thing has some crunch and balls man. im gonna hit u up on how u make those sweet vedios man. i really need to start posting. talk is cheap man.....lol
Gorgeous Marshall Sound. Im thinking of getting the Bogner Helios 2x12 cab which has a ceramic and a V30 in it. Im thinking putting a 57 on the Creamback and a Royer 121 on the V30 to mellow it a bit. Do you find the mix of the V30 and Cream sound good together when recording as apposed to one or the other?
Thanx Jack. Putting the 121 in the V30 is a good idea, warmer sound with that mic. I like the M65/V30 mix together but if i had only one or the other, I could be happy.
The V30s sound excellent HERE with your setup, but with the treble turned up I know the creamback would sound equally sparkly with more dynamic mids. The v30s were were way too bright with my setup.
GioGuitarDude Im mostly playing hard rock and classic rock, and i have a dsl40c. Im looking for that slash, page, acdc tone? What speaker would u recommend?
Wfsf Sfsfsd probably a 75w creamback. They are a less harsh version of the v30. The 65w creamback might be a little mellow for you but I get absolutely wicked tones from it. Not harsh at all and very middy. EDIT: my style is very similar to Joe Satriani if that helps
How did you run your amp? There is a Master installed right? Was it loud, i mean really loud like in a rehearsal situation or quiet like apartement style? (Gorgeous tone)
V30 are good speakers but their mids are taking way too much space. It's dulling the sound in a way. To use in a 1x12, I would rather go for a creamback
Hey Jim what's that opening riff ? It sounds familiar. It's got EVH written all over it with permanent marker, and it's stuck in my head ! Must be off one of their earlier albums ? It's aggressive and sounds great ! I can't stop playing it.
I play my Mini Jubilee with a single V 30 and think it's a bit too bright, teh Mini Jub is a brigher sounding amp any how and i think a Creamback would be the better choice. V 30 seems to be very bright itself, too.
I play my Mini Jubilee with a single V 30 and think it's a bit too bright, teh Mini Jub is a brigher sounding amp any how and i think a Creamback would be the better choice. V 30 seems to be very bright itself, too.
Great tone, but is it just me, the two speakers a relatively similar. I could hear the difference and while the creamback was cool with the v30, i think the v30's alone rocked more.
Broken in means it's been used longer and reached it's best sound, hard to quantize. The V30 was used on tours and played loud, therefore, it's more broken in.
@@JimmyBurkard Yesterday i tried my China 8ohm v30 with creamback m.Not so satisfied- the v30 stands Out Strangely . V30 and alnico Cream top! Creamback M and alncio also top. Ordered a UK v30. Are you German? Falls ja ,beste Grüße! Ein Super Gitarrist bist Du ! VG Max
Dude ur killing the film guitar man. Hey check my 4 2 mins vids and ice some solos on some these riffs I got haha. dam tone fingers is the u tube account. this is my spare account when battery dies on the other phone
Is possible combine one Creamback M65 with a greenback g12m 25watt? both belong to the same family but with different watts. Same 75hz. Same ceramic. But i know that the creamback have a little bit more bass. What do you think?
