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Centurion Mk 10 vs M60A1 | L52 APDS | Armor Penetration 

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Simulation of a Centurion Mk 10 projectile hitting the frontal armor of M60A1
105mm L52A1 APDS (4.6 kg, tungsten alloy core) at 1380 m/s
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M60A1 upper hull front armor (109 mm CHA at 65 degrees) [relatively soft armor ~220 BHN, with good ductility]
105mm L7A1 muzzle velocity (for L52) - 1426 m/s. 1380 m/s refers to a distance of approximately 0.6 km

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@Supersean0001
@Supersean0001 9 месяцев назад
I was one of the early generation of US Army Abrams tankers, on the original M1 and later the M1A1. The older M60 types (19Es) who transitioned over to the Abrams always thought very highly of their old tanks, but, yeah, they weren't as impervious as they thought they were. The TTS on the later M60A3s was a better night vision sight than the M1's TIS, but that was mostly Congress forcing the Army to keep the M1's price tag down. Once again it hits home (no pun intended) just how revolutionary the Abrams was for the US Army.
@chrisblack6258
@chrisblack6258 9 месяцев назад
I doubt many of them thought the hull was impervious. Unless they did not read the manuals.
@TheBigExclusive
@TheBigExclusive 9 месяцев назад
​@@chrisblack6258- it's not about manuals. It's about emotion and pride in your tank that you spent years serving in. A tanker needs that emotional sense of invincibility while being inside a tank. Without that feeling of invincibility, it's impossible to work in a tank. You would just constantly worried about what could harm you.
@chrisblack6258
@chrisblack6258 9 месяцев назад
@@TheBigExclusive interesting perspective. When I was reading the FM 17-12 1978 edition, one thing I felt was that anything will kill me if I don't learn to never trust my armor but my manevers and skills. "any vehicle or unit that exposes itself on the battlefield will be destroyed unless..." "about the enemy,... His equipment is good,... Probably nearly as good as ours."
@chrisblack6258
@chrisblack6258 9 месяцев назад
@@TheBigExclusive I mean, there is a reason why most NATO tanks specialized in hull down fighting, because the hull armor is weak. If I remember correctly, both an M1 crew and an M60 crew must finish an engagement (for an M60, each time a round fired from the cannon is considered an engagement) is consifrom turret down position in about 5 seconds or so to be not considered killed during their training.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
@@chrisblack6258 the first Abrams had hull armor similar to that of the turret. It was only as a result of continuous improvement of the tower that a large disproportion arose.
@o-hogameplay185
@o-hogameplay185 9 месяцев назад
the driver had a bad day i think
@Ramash440
@Ramash440 9 месяцев назад
"I'm not sure the damage was that severe, we should check the witness plate." "What witness plate?"
@contagioushavoc5794
@contagioushavoc5794 9 месяцев назад
You are right, cant say for sure if it was lethal without seeing the witness plate.
@user-pw1oh2mw6q
@user-pw1oh2mw6q 9 месяцев назад
That damage seems to be absolutely devastating
@Wogby
@Wogby 9 месяцев назад
Nah, I think it would more accurately penetrate and do literally nothing to the inside of the tank requiring 3 or 4 more shots to each individual crew member /s
@elongated_musket6353
@elongated_musket6353 9 месяцев назад
@@Wogby You've been playing too much war thunder.
@rolandlee6898
@rolandlee6898 9 месяцев назад
'Tis but a scratch... 'murica, fuck yeah!
@Wogby
@Wogby 9 месяцев назад
@@elongated_musket6353 That was the joke
@elongated_musket6353
@elongated_musket6353 9 месяцев назад
@@Wogby my bad didn't notice the /s
@weaponizedautism6589
@weaponizedautism6589 9 месяцев назад
Meanwhile in warthunder... "shattered" British players know what i am talking about.
@pompolini9825
@pompolini9825 9 месяцев назад
Great simulation 😊
@amizaur3marcinostrowski186
@amizaur3marcinostrowski186 9 месяцев назад
Watching the setup of the simulation, the projectile shape seemed to me to be so non-optimal against highly sloped armor that I was sure it wouldn't "bite" the armor and ricochet. And at the beginning of the simulation it seemed so... It deformed, started to slide... but went through anyway :-).
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
The projectile maintains its trajectory better due to erosion. In addition, the sharp-tipped cap is not connected to the core, so it rotates without lifting the tip of the main core.
@norezi8130
@norezi8130 9 месяцев назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 could you give us same scenario Vs DM13?
@col.firefly
@col.firefly 9 месяцев назад
Ah, I thought it was a shearing band similar to some of the earlier Soviet rounds, but it's not connected at all. Very interesting!
@oqf17pdr
@oqf17pdr 9 месяцев назад
That must be a bad day for the driver, he took some big chunks of metal flying to his head Probably a slight headache
@MrTrool323
@MrTrool323 9 месяцев назад
The shell basically bruteforced itself in killing the driver on the spot,leaving a massive home in the frontal armor
@tommeakin1732
@tommeakin1732 9 месяцев назад
That do be pretty much how it do be 🤔
@ignotumperignotius630
@ignotumperignotius630 9 месяцев назад
Well yes the shell didn't have the password in this scenario
@danielwer6488
@danielwer6488 9 месяцев назад
More people need to see ur stuff, comment 4 algorythm
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
Thx
@kimjanek646
@kimjanek646 9 месяцев назад
Yay. As expected. Tungsten Alloy FTW.
@annamorawska8281
@annamorawska8281 9 месяцев назад
Cool sim😊
@Prometheus19853
@Prometheus19853 9 месяцев назад
I'm honestly surprised the glacis managed to deflect as much of the shell as it did. It still wrecked the absolute shit out of that M60, but I was sure it was going to just pop through like it wasn't even there given that the L52A1 can carve through an insane amount of armor.
@morgus9892
@morgus9892 9 месяцев назад
It in fact cannot, it's 0 LoS is much worse than tungsten carbide APDS but the angle pen is vastly superior.
@namelamus8476
@namelamus8476 9 месяцев назад
people were right, comment for stats, ty for videos
@chrisblack6258
@chrisblack6258 9 месяцев назад
A shot on gunshield please, since that's where M60A1 can really take a beat
@Daniel-0067
@Daniel-0067 9 месяцев назад
Hi, i have a suggestion, i would like to see the damage an APFSDS petal (the discarding sabot) would do to a light vehicle.
@michaelbelonio3342
@michaelbelonio3342 9 месяцев назад
Oh my, my prediction is correct.
@Milo792
@Milo792 9 месяцев назад
wow the driver looks slightly red now
@dj1NM3
@dj1NM3 9 месяцев назад
That's interesting: I wouldn't have expected the penetrator to "flip around" like that and enter base-first. ...but maybe that's a result of sort-of "half deflecting" due to the slope of the armour?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
yes, but the penetrator lost most of its energy so it could rotate
@NotTheCIA1961
@NotTheCIA1961 9 месяцев назад
I was expecting it to pen but god damn
@soup-not-edible
@soup-not-edible 9 месяцев назад
"Oops" -The loader, probably
@michadunski3508
@michadunski3508 9 месяцев назад
I wonder how much of these spall will affect rest of the crew and if tank wil be totally ruined
@AlreadyTakenTag
@AlreadyTakenTag 9 месяцев назад
The shrapnel seems to be going downwards, so the driver is definitely red mist, but the turret crew could survive with severely injured legs. Unless of course the front ammo rack of the M60 is filled in which case R.I.P everyone inside.
@thezig2078
@thezig2078 9 месяцев назад
​@@AlreadyTakenTagit's Centurion shooting M60, not vice versa EDIT: For context the comment i respond to was edited, and he thought it's patton hitting cent UFP
@Lemard77
@Lemard77 9 месяцев назад
@@thezig2078 M60 has ammunition racks below the turret ring on the hull floor / turret basket so those could get hit
@hoosierfarmkid
@hoosierfarmkid 9 месяцев назад
@@thezig2078Pattons shove Ammo everywhere, including both sides of the driver and the hull floor
@fostersstubbyasmr9557
@fostersstubbyasmr9557 9 месяцев назад
Damn centurion beast
@user-ys7pg8nf7i
@user-ys7pg8nf7i 2 месяца назад
L-7 was an amazing gun back then
@ivan5595
@ivan5595 9 месяцев назад
I love how apds does a "backflip"
@badlamplampgod1024
@badlamplampgod1024 9 месяцев назад
Sub optimal situation indeed.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 9 месяцев назад
So the answer to how softer steel affect the dynamic is less plugging?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
the difference is not so serious as to be definitely noticeable when compared to another similar case that I performed. An identical simulation would have to be repeated with harder armor
@oshinwane6902
@oshinwane6902 9 месяцев назад
meanwhile in warthunder British mains: 'Hit 💡+5'
@morgus9892
@morgus9892 9 месяцев назад
No, L52 on the Vickers Mk3 works as intended.
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 2 месяца назад
What if they'd made it out of hha like 400 brh?
@howdy5005
@howdy5005 9 месяцев назад
i think the driver is hurt
@user-oo1xs4gg5q
@user-oo1xs4gg5q 6 месяцев назад
The driver is unconscious!
@yixuan7043
@yixuan7043 9 месяцев назад
yellow driver in war thunder
@user-rb1xm4md1f
@user-rb1xm4md1f 9 месяцев назад
Warthunder: ''Hit''
@codeconduit1576
@codeconduit1576 9 месяцев назад
What software do you use for simulations?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
Ansys
@Anubis1993KZ
@Anubis1993KZ 9 месяцев назад
Driver might need to visit a dentist after that one.
@Temmie444
@Temmie444 9 месяцев назад
if the driver whold have drunk milk that morning he is walking that off no problem
@RedVRCC
@RedVRCC 7 месяцев назад
Take notes gaijin. APDS should cause way more spalling than it does in game.
@blackmark7165
@blackmark7165 6 месяцев назад
Such a shame that M60 was meant to have composite armor but canceled
@tokencivilian8507
@tokencivilian8507 9 месяцев назад
That isn't going to buff out.
@aidanacebo9529
@aidanacebo9529 9 месяцев назад
*Driver* oh he dead
@danukuncoroaji7738
@danukuncoroaji7738 9 месяцев назад
warthunder be like : yellow driver
@savagedabs8536
@savagedabs8536 9 месяцев назад
She gone
@funtimewithhuskyman5601
@funtimewithhuskyman5601 9 месяцев назад
"Hit"
@Ghostmaxi1337
@Ghostmaxi1337 9 месяцев назад
I knew it.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 9 месяцев назад
the next survey will be much harder
@mern8737
@mern8737 9 месяцев назад
1 min ago.. damn
@pukalo
@pukalo 9 месяцев назад
Artillery is unfair and broken.
@darionbalkaran790
@darionbalkaran790 9 месяцев назад
I played enough World of Tanks, just use a med kit bro.
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