Chaos is a ladder... but to where? ASOIAF Theory Analysis (Part II) 

LOL I'm shook that I'm actually included in anyone's ASOIAF theory breakdowns! I'm interested to see where this is going, as my interpretation of Littlefinger is that he's actually somewhat overrated and sort of metaphorically screams "fire" in a crowded theater, waits to see what happens, and then takes advantage of whatever fallout he can.

I can't believe you actually got Dre and Shwift. Incredible

Never thought of it this way precisely before, but you’re right - the Purple Wedding was probably supposed to turn Lannister against Tyrell, the same way Lannister and Stark were set against each other previously. It all feels like tourney brackets, where Littlefinger doesn’t care who wins, he’ll just set out the next fight and the achieve whatever he's after. He probably didn’t even have the next tourney bracket planned in advance, because its impossible to predict all the crazy stuff that ends up happening.

Question about the Purple Wedding timeline. Sansa gets the hairnet shockingly early - at the end of ACoK, meaning Littlefinger commissioned it made before he left to recruit the Tyrells. At that point, Bran&Rickon weren’t “dead”, Robb hadn’t broken faith with the Freys, Sansa was still betrothed to Joffrey and she hadn’t flowered yet, so she’s far removed from being the super marriageable key to the north. What was Littlefinger thinking with that hairnest? If he a super-genius who predicted that Sansa would be married to Tyrion by the time of Joffrey’s wedding, and planned to kill Tyrion then? Did he just have a general plan in place, that he could kill someone at Joffrey’s wedding as a distraction to extract Sansa, and if the Tyrells didn’t want a Margaery-Joffrey marriage, or if Stannis won at the Blackwater, then no loss - he’d apply the hairnet to some other scheme down the road?

He got the alt schwift x feature gahddammnn. Love how this series has clips from all our favourite essayists. Hills alive, glidus, in deep geek can you imagine a better crossover?

these are the high quality vids from the asoiaf community that i have been looking for. cant wait for part 3

I don't agree 100% with Preston Jacobs, but I don't think his analyses can be dismissed easily. He does a fantastic job at connecting points that certainly went over my head like the Tyrell's probably not being involved in Joffrey's poisoning. So it is good to see him getting the recognition he deserves.

I've watched each part twice now and I really enjoy your skeptical approach to the mystery and theories surrounding it. Glad others are still theorizing while we wait for Winds. Can't wait for the next one

This is becoming more schizophrenic each video, and I'm here for all of it

It's always interesting to see how other people's minds work when it comes to theories. I'm a fan of all these other RU-vidrs, and after watching these two I'm following you as well. Personally I've always seen Littlefinger as a follower of Chaos, similar to how House of Black and White worship the many Faced God, not in the way that he actually worships, but he seems to believe that the chaos of war allows him to acquire more influence, that's the real currency he's always been after. I think he really wants to be like Tywin was basically running the kingdoms, while Aerys wore the crown.

Not only is your research very well done, the info is presented very clearly, and most of all, I just love your editing man. The mixture of fan art, stock images, and a bit of memes on screen is really entertaining!

Lad I've needed a handsome and charming asoiaf theory debunker in my life. Kudos!

I said fluff it im binging this. The beauty of this is, without a Balish perspective chapter all of these theories are viable some more than others. I really enjoyed pt 1 im ready for pt 2! Good fluffin work

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I am a long-time viewer of Preston's, and I really appreciate your critical inclusion of his theories. I too find some of them well substantiated, while some are, to me, entirely unconvincing. I still think there's value in the discourse.

alt shwift's feature went so hard...I'm loving your content!

I'm really interested to see where you're going with this lol

I always tougth, that LF originally wanted Renly as a king, Stannis even said something like: "Littlefinger's words through Renly's mouth". He was close to the Tyrels, and more or less liked by the Lannisters, but not so much by Stannis.

Lol, Three Eyed Finger...... Vanilla Finger..... Lol, your videos are hilarious and very well put together. Really enjoyed you incorporating the GoT RU-vidrs as well.

I really like this style of video, breaking down a theory just to build back up a better one! Quoting other RU-vidrs is also a novel and really smart idea! Loving the content so far

You earned the sub with the badass Alt Shift X breakdown beat XD

OK I really like this series so far. It’s a really interesting point that, with all of the questioning and prodding for so many other aspects of the series that sounds been doing since it started, no one‘s ever really questioned the base shared assumption that Petyr still genuinely holds some kind of one-sided love for cat, when he has every reason to hate the entire Tully family. That he is just after power for Powers sake because he wants to be at the top, when he’s already powerful enough to live beyond his means and still chooses not to for the most part I genuinely do think that he wants to climb the ladder, and that there is truth in him doing whatever he can to achieve it after the humiliation he had at the hands of Brandon Stark, but it’s also entirely possible that he does genuinely just want to burn the realm to the ground, not to be king, but just out of petty spiteful revenge of the entire system of lords that Led to his humiliation and inability to possibly be with a girl that he loved a long time ago. Petyr is my favorite character in the series, and I’m going to be cosplaying him at comicon this weekend, but it’s always fascinating to see these different takes on what drives his character in the first place, considering we know so little about what his goals actually are and spend zero time in his head

At this point you shoud call it the Unified LittleFinger Theory or something like that. Looking forward for the rest !

The Littlefinger-Tyrell alliance seems pretty legitimate to me. LF offers to support Ned if he backs Renly and he does convince the Tyrells to intervene against Stannis on the Blackwater. They differ on who they want Sansa to marry but they both want her out of King's Landing. Even if the target at the purple wedding was Tyrion, the Tyrells would still want him dead to widow Sansa.

I like this channel, you're doing a good job! Reminds me of Preston's editing style, though you have your own delivery. Looking forward to more of your videos

Amazing Can't wait for part 3

Yeah!

Not all land can be bought, generally not how that works in feudal society. If you become lord of a castle it comes with responsibilities. It has to be gifted by lords, then swear fealty, lead armies, protect his land from other armies, etc.

ngl, was kinda hoping to just see you take a big rip from a joint on the "last time on randominternetguy"

the seed is strong LOL i thought the image with the strong arms was an EGG!! NOT A SEED! i got it now, the joke is much apreciated

Jon Arryn: light hair. Broad shoulders. Harry Hardyng: sandy hair, blue eyes. It is said that has the look of Jon Arryn in his youth (Winds of Winter, Alayne I). Lysa Tully: auburn hair, blue eyes (like Cat and Edmure). Littlefinger: dark hair, gray-green eyes. slight and short for his age as a boy, he is still short man of slender build. Robert Arryn: brown hair, big eyes. Small and painfully thin for his age. So... Shouldn't he have auburn (Tully) or sandy (Arryn) hair AND blue eyes (Arryn, Tully)?

His resentment towards the Tully and Stark families and the high nobles In general isn't only probable but evident in the text, imo. He's a self made man,it stands to reason he'd despise all those spoiled high lords and ladies who looked down at him,hurt him both physically and emotionally and never truly let him join the club. He wants power as a form of revenge. When it comes to Petyr being Sweetrobin's dad,I believe in it 100% but I don't think GRRM will give us a definite answer either way. He said he preferred authors who ask questions to authors who give answers, and it shows.

Two new Alt Schwift X Raps in less than a week?! Things are starting to get crazy.

In Deep Geek has another theory involving Littlefinger in his video about Jaqen Hagar and the Faceless Men. The video is called "Why was Jaqen Hagar in King's Landing?". I may have spoiled the conclusion for you already but check it out. It's in In Deep Geek's playlist about magic, maesters, and Faceless men.

My personal headcannon is that Jon Arryn actually USED Petyr to get Lysa pregnant, thats why he always fullfilled her wishes giving him the Coinmaster postings each time. Petyr might not have been aware or maybe Lysa wasn't aware either and it's just something Jon knew they'd do as long as he pretended to not know/care. His own experience with his own bastard is what gave him pause when he noticed the pattern with Robert/Cersei

Looking forward to part 3

Joffrey is Azor Ahai confirmed

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What’s up with LF's Sansa plans? The fandom assumes he’s obsessed with her, but if we’re questioning his feelings for Cat, should we do likewise for Sansa? LF has a long-standing plan to kidnap her, makes advances on her, and did have that weird hair-touching moment at the Hand’s Tourney. But there’s also plenty of times when Sansa could’ve died: 1) Joffrey the loose cannon could’ve executed her with Ned, or any time in ACoK when he was beating her, or the abuse could’ve driven her to kill herself; 2) during the Blackwater; 3) during the Purple Wedding, she could’ve been blamed for the death and arrested, or fallen when climbing down the cliff. And if LF wants to sleep with her, then we assume he doesn’t want anyone else sleeping with her. After all, he pits Stark again Lannister, driving a wrench into the Sansa-Joffrey betrothal, informs on the Sansa-Willas plot, and ensures Brune stops Marillion at the LF-Lysa wedding. Then again, there are plenty of moments when someone nearly sleeps with Sansa: 1) Joffrey could’ve taken her at numerous points during ACoK and ASoS (LF was out of town so he couldn’t have prevented it); 2) Tyrion nearly slept with Sansa during their time as man-and-wife (LF helped arrange this marriage, and was out of town, and I doubt he knew Tyrion’s psyche enough to be sure he wouldn’t claim his “rights”); 3) with Harry the Heir, I think LF's planning to invade the riverlands and forestall a wedding, and that Harry will die in the Winged Knight Tourney anyways, but LF's advice in the sample chapter for seducing Harry is basically “act promiscuous and try to get yourself alone with him”… maybe he’ll arrange for Brune to step in again, but there’s still the risk that things go horrifyingly bad for Sansa here. ...These aren't the actions of someone who thinks Sansa is irreplaceable, or wants to make her his queen or something.

I love In Deep Geek's videos, but I can't buy this one about Littlefinger telling Brandon about Lyanna, but I'm almost positive that Brandon knew about the "kidnapping" before he left Riverrun because, didn't Hoster get upset when he left and call him a "damn gallant fool" or something like that? But I'm pretty sure that was his whole reason for leaving, to go and confront Rhaegar at Kings Landing. Maybe I'm wrong, it's been a while since I read the books, but I'm pretty sure that's what it was

"little finger has no reason to kill joffrey". i want to challenge that. not saying he did or didnt, but i could think of some benefitial outcomes this brings for him (even if its a risky af move but LF is nothing if not bold). 1. nobody wants joffrey to be king. he is the destroyer of plans, voletile, changes his mind every second, terrible to be influenced. now chaos is productive yes, but if *he* incites it and gives it a push in the right direction. in the long run, joffrey would ruin all that. he has the tendency to suddenly turn on everyone in his vicinity, so he might turn on LF too. now tommen is much easier to steer AND joffrey's death creates enough chaos to distract from LF 2. it doesnt matter that much who gets blamed for joffrey's death, there are plenty people with more "reason" than LF. Tyrion, the Tyrells, the jester who was humiliated by joffrey could have taken revenge. little finger is pretty low on that list so it is likely *someone other than him* would be blamed, giving him clear coast 3. his goal was to get close to sansa. even tho she is married to tyrion, joffrey still tried to abuse her, torment her and humiliate her. killing him can be sold to her as "protecting and caring for her". her abuser is dead, he can't hurt her anymore. also by implicating the tyrells he drives a wedge between them. if they did it to joffrey they could do it to *her* if they decide she's not useful. so she loses every support she might have *besides little finger*. she can only trust *him* 4. in the chaos he was able to steal her away, "saving her". tyrion didnt have to be dead for that. the marriage was never consumated so it is technically invalid. she is now entirely dependent on him. he did her a "favor", getting away from all the people who would only hurt her and nowhere else for her to turn to. 5. killing tyrion would have made sansa free but not much else. the lannisters didnt really care about him, his death would be tragic but not cause the same uproar. they'd be happy to see him dead actually. joffrey's death causes instability, it makes the wheel turn, more opportunities to exploit. and as stated before, tyrion doesnt need t be dead for the marriage to be invalid. so yeah i dont think he would have planned it through all the way but he didnt have to. it didnt matter if tyrells or tyrion got the blame. he can use that as things develop, he only needs he corner stones to work. joffrey dead, upheaval in the kingdom, a distraction and sansa free and dependent on him. i think theorizing we assume every plan has to go perfect, be thought of in every detail and all of it working perfectly. sometimes plans dont work as intended, sometimes only the start is important and it doesnt have to be planned all the way through cuz LF can find opportunity in any outcome. and he's not afraid to wreck the status quo even at great risk, just to see what turns up

There was one suspect during Purple Wedding that could be blamed for Joffrey's death - Oberyn Martell. He even admits it himself while talking to Tyrion: "I have much to thank your sister for. If not for her accusation at the feast, it might well be you judging me instead of me judging you. Who knows more of poison than the Red Viper of Dorne, after all? Who has better reason to want to keep the Tyrells far from the crown?" So the original Tyrell plan could involve blaming Oberyn, not Tyrion for the poisoning. Indeed, if it weren't for the Joffrey's and Tyrion's confrontation, he could be treated as the first suspect. Yet it was Littlefinger who took care that there was a feud between the young king and his uncle. Another thing that bothered me was the reaction of Tywin Lannister. What did he think of his grandson's death? Did he really believe Tyrion had done it or he just used Joff's death as the opportunity to get rid of his detested son. Or, and, this can go even darker, did he know that it was Olenna's doing and accepted this understanding that Joff would be the next Aerys, another mad king (there is this particular scene when Joff accused the grandfather of cowardice). And, of course, I agree that this elaborate plan to poison Joff via Sansa's hairnet has no sense at all. I mean, really, she could have changed her mind or change her dress or damage to hairnet. It would be much easier if Olenna had the poison all the time. I believe that while writing Purple Wedding George was influenced by the murders of Louis X and his infant son in The Accursed kings. But there the poisoner (Mahaut d'Artois) has the poison with her all the time. She also uses her innocent daughter Joanna as a decoy.

Loved the video but I have to ask, what do you think of Tyrek and do you think he is related to Littlefinger’s plan?

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He's the illest hustler ever it doesn't matter if he has some mystical powers... He made a way outta no way

Man, where is that beat from? It's pretty good

I think it's fairly simple, it's easier to be given power than to take it. So he exhibits a pattern of behaviour, Step 1) pit the most powerful house in westeros against other powerful houses by causing war Step 2) assist the most powerful house in that war by using his skills at deception and manipulation Step 3) get enough power from them in rewards that he can ascend the ladder Step 4) profit???? Step 5) keep going, there is no end, the ladder is eternal

You two have to do a video together ur both amazing ❤

Preston hits the mark from time to time, Green Hand never.

My one problem with Preston's dismissal of the Tyrells' involvement is that Littlefinger has no way of knowing that Olenna would fix Sansa's hairnet (conveniently right before the feast and poisoning), so how could he have brought this up to Sansa when explaining his assassination plan if it wasn't actually planned with Olenna?

Okay i do like the music but I think it's a lil loud in the mix. Unless that's what u were going for lol

Dr Dre got his hands on this

What is this? A crossover episode?

1:04 Littlefinger is a horse???? 😳😳😳

Glimbus!!!!

I think u guys forget joffrey could easily have hired a guard he trusts like the hound to hire rhe sellsword

When it comes to theories, are you aware we're not talking about scientific theories, but the colloquial term? Something is not a theory anymore when you have continuous written evidence to support it. It becomes confirmed and established fact or lore.

Baelish aka LF is the sort of man who would murder his son so he could have a baby with Sansa, which he wants to do in his creepy uncle fantasy mind.

What do we think of these Purple Wedding quotes: “His cupbearer poured a whole flagon of dark Arbor RED into the golden wedding chalice”, “The wine washed down over his face in a RED torrent”, “Joff yanked it from his hands and drank long and deep, his throat working as the wine ran PURPLE down his chin” and “There was still a half-inch of deep PURPLE wine in the bottom of it”? A bit of a tangent from Littlefinger, but I’m wondering if the wine was also poisoned? My personal headcannon is that Preston’s video is all true, but in addition, Olenna recognized the strangler and took a smidge from Sansa, then warned Margaery with a brief whisper in her ear and showed her the crystal. Margaery is then brought to tears by songs of Renly, and sees drunk monstrous Joffrey. There’s a Littlefinger quote (maybe he’s just lying, but maybe it’s a real and accurate observation) about Margaery: “She'll keep her queenly crown and her maidenhead, neither of which she especially wants.” She’s just 16, not the much older master-schemer of the show. I think Margaery poisoned her own wine with the crumb of strangler Olenna took, in an impulsive decision to not be stuck with Joffrey, politics be danmed. Though there’s not a lot of evidence for this, it would a) be a great twist if Margaery confessed to regicide in her upcoming trial-by-faith and b) from Littlefinger’s perspective, it would be a great demonstration of the theme “We princes make our careful plans and the gods smash them all awry” which I think is key to his improvisational modus operandi, setting him apart from the other schemers in ASOIAF and evil masterminds in fiction in general.

Bane?

Maybe Petyr is a Strong

Hi friend. Just wanted to let you know that at many points your saliva is audible - classic mistake. Go further from the mic, drink water and try and green apple.

But killing Joffrey had a lot of sense. War was going to end, stability and prosperity was close, with Tyrells and Lannisters on top. He has to insure, that there will be still ferment, for war to endure. And for great houses to die. Because I think that's his goal. His smarter than Eddard, Robert, Jon (any of them), Tywin and all the other lords. Yet they are ones in power. They have money, eternal fame and possibility to marry almost whoever the fuck thay want, or at least to have anyone in bed. But did they do anything to gain this position? No. Absolutelly fucking no. They grand-grand-grand-grandparents did - like Bran the Builder or Lann the Clever. But only thing Hoster Tully or Doran Martell did, was to be born into a rulling family, and occasionally order people below them to fight in liege's wars. By all means - I don't think that Littlefinger is a revolutionary democrat, who wants to lead Westeros into technocratic rule of people better suited to rule than fat lordling whose ancestor did something great. I think that Petyr is an ambitious man, who just wants to prove the people who despised him that he is better. And he will prove it by destroying their plans, ending their lines, mocking them in eyes of future. By taking everything from them

Jon Arryn did have an early stillborn daughter with his first wife, so he's not infertile

Couple points just nitpicking things here The message from Lysa that is supposedly delivered by Littlefinger's agent was sent BEFORE Bran's fall. Not after. The after Bran's fall bit in Preston's video is slightly misleading to make it seem like this Littlefinger agent wasn't supposedly at Winterfell for a very long time before the assassination attempt. Although it could just be an honest mistake. The other thing is that GRRM said before the publishing of ASOS that it would reveal who the catspaw assassin was sent by and in that book, two different characters independently come to the conclusion that it was Joffrey. While it's pretty anticlimactic to find that out in this way since Joffrey dies in the same book, it doesn't necessarily leave any direct clues pointing to anyone else. This is a minor point in comparison but Preston also has a tendency to take single phrases and bits of sentences out of context of the larger scenes in his analysis and mix up the order they are said which can sometimes feels like he's moving things around to fit his theories rather than forming his theories around the facts as they are presented.

man that musical beat was NOT fun to listen to is that what music is today? fuck i'm getting old

Sidenote - the “Robert’s Rebellion was built on a lie… he loved her, and she loved him” line from the show and In Deep Geek’s video annoys me sooooo much. If we take modern morality, this is very problematic because this is a 23/24-year-old man eloping with a 15/16-year-old girl, not to mention that Rhaegar bungled a series of political alliances in the process leading to a lot of dead people. If we take medieval Westerosi morality, Lyanna’s agency doesn’t really matter and this is not ok because she was betrothed to Robert Baratheon - you might as well say that the Red Wedding was built on a lie because Robb loved his wife.

Wow that music is very distracting

Also wanted to say : do not share or advertise your smocking habits. Not only can it be detrimetal for your profesionneal image, but you can also influence younger, more susceptible people into doing it for fun etc. It's ok if you like it, tbh i like it too as well, but stay responsible. You're on the internet and have some influence. Just keep it to yourself.