Chaos Marine TEASERS - Mutant Changes and Night Lord Rules? New Info and What We Know So Far... 

If all the night lords get is minus one to leadership I WILL shit my pants in a GW store and post it

GW, if you’re insistent on making battle shock a thing. Can you, you know, make it not pointless? “Oh no, my unit became battle shocked and I can’t use stratagems on them. Guess I’ll just use it on this unit over here” “Oh no, you battle shocked this unit on that objective during your turn. Good thing I then passed my battle shock test at the start of my turn and was still able to score points with said unit” Is it too much to ask that battle shock actually be debilitating? Make their weapon skill worse, their saving throws are worse. If an already battle shocked unit fails a battle shock test then said unit loses a model, or suffers a set amounts of wounds. SOMETHING! Either make it an actual debuff to be concerned about. Or just remove it from the game. Cause right now the entire mechanic is a joke.

ah nightlords, as a tyranid player I welcome you to battleshock hell

It would be great if they made battleshock matter more if they're making battleshock centric detachments

It makes sense that the Night Lords detachment focus on BS, but it would be nice of BS did something ^^

I think CSM should have upgrade sprues for the different legions

So if Dread Talons is a miss I just run Night Lords with the Red Corsair detachment, got it

"The Raptors kit can also be built as a squad of Warp Talons - close combat specialists with extra AP - and while you’ll want to make sure the ones from the box are Raptors so your Chaos Lord has a bodyguard to protect him, a few additional units of Warp Talons will give you a solid punch against armoured enemies. " From the lastest warcom article so sadly it seems the jumplord will not be able to join warptalons. Very very very disappointing! Everyone was very excited for a potential character to join warptalons. Please read the room GW.

Woof, Night Lords get one third of the Chaos Knight army / detachment rules and I have seen the full strength Chaos Knight rules take effect exactly one time.

Basicly jumppack smaller Chaos Knights seems like a weak design choice for a detachment. While fluffy, it doesnt normally matter.

Really hope the Chaos Cult detachment gets a rule similar to Brood Brothers where we can have a limited catalogue of Astra Militarum units

Dear night lords players. Minus 1 to battle shock within 12 inches is a garbage detachment rules. Sincerely chaos knights

Don't think I saw you mention it, but the article today also pointed at the new jump pack lord only being able to run with raptors, not warp talons. Also looks like cultists lost all shooting options besides their pistols.

lol, selling a single model for 35 bucks now when a year plus ago you could have bought the kit that came with a bunch of cultists and the model for 35.

You raise an interesting point about battleshock again. Usually it's something that won't affect the game much and it can at times be countered, so it's true that battleshock is a bit underwhelming. Especially for armies that rely on getting some battleshock results. On the other hand, with the rules the way they are, if you make battleshocks much more common, it's very easy for it to get out of hand and get overpowered. If too many units take battleshocks and fail and can't do anything, it's going to dramatically impact points scoring. Instead, maybe they could make battleshocks slightly more common and then force players to roll another D6 after failing a battleshock. On 1, the unit can't do anything. On a 2, they may secure objectives they are standing on, but not move. On a 3, the unit may move half their movement. On a 4, they may move their full movement. On a 5 they may take their full turn, but all their attacks have -1 to hit. On a 6 the unit regains composure after being battleshocked and may take their turn as normal. Something like that. This could kinda make it possible for players to save an emergency reroll for this so they can try to avoid a worst possible battleshock result, but still allow battleshock-causing armies to deliver some degree of battleshock debuffs on opponents.

I think future game against CSM with many accursed cultists after shooting phase be like: You have alerted the horde.

Huh... Now I'm seriously considering Accursed Cultists for my Dark Apostle's unit. Would make sense considering I'm doing Word Bearers.

I got the chance to look at a copy of the codex. Dread Talons forces the enemy to make a battle-shock test at the end of their battle-shock phase if they're near one of your units. Raptors give -1 to enemy battle-shock tests within 6". Dread Talons have several stratagems that give bonuses to damage units which are battle-shocked.

Hurrah, that's two of my armies that are battleshock central. I really want a change to how battleshock affects the board, maybe even army-by-army. There's so much design room for representing disorganization or collapse of coherence.

Night Lords are my favourite Legion amd the army i play the most. Look forward to never playing them as their own detachment 😑 smh

Honestly something like a +1 to wound battleshocked units, in addition to that would be perfect. Not great, but it would actually give a reason to use "Inflicted battleshock" type abilities

Yeah, I'm a little worried about not seeing the Fellhammer Siege Host or whatever it's called. Either they're saving the good stuff for later or it sucks and they've just cut and pasted elements of the Anvil detachment from Codex Space Marines

Quite like how I can play such a variety of play styles with my Word Bearers

The new Accursed rules (if it is fully replacing the regen) will be change my use for them as I used them as a tarpit unit. Bit sad, but ah well going to have to relearn how to use them.

Would be nice if night lords had something similiar to deamons where if a battle shocks goes off and is in range of a unit reducing their leadership they take mortal wounds. Would mean you could get alot of free damage for just being near the enemy. Either forcing battleshocks or later in the game when battleshocks are going off more on their own. Maybe battleshocked units let your units get plus 2 to charge rolls? It's not great, but it'd be something. Alpha legions detachment looks kinda fun but will definetly be living and dying on if their strats and enhancements are good. Cause just having a bunch of infiltrators won't win you a game. Renegade raiders looks fun. Very aggressive shooting detachment, reminds me alot of firestorm detachment, will also help make up for boltguns having no AP and essentially turning all your marines into having primaris bolt rifles if the target is on an objective(Plus dark pacts) If it's got good enhancements and strats that could be super strong The other videos showing the deamon engines detachment looks super fun. Very high risk with all the potentiall to mortal wound yourself more but with alot of benefits. Cultist detachment feels like it could be super fun but have alot of issues. Accursed cultists getting unlimited reaction moves for losing models seems like a great way to force yourself across the board. So I think that could be a detachment that works and is super fun, but is miserable if you're in a bad matchup or the dice just aren't going your way. Blast basically gonna be the bane of that detachment. Alongside the desperate pacts probably taking alot of models too. But it does perfectly exemplify the 'cultists just madly run at the enemy like fodder' kind of idea. Firebrand was definetly put into help this detachment. Black legions detachment I can't exactly say what it will do yet. But definetly is aiming towards the marines side of the army. Getting dev wounds alongside movement and shoot options, and the auto 6 to flamers idea really pointing to stuff like elite units gaining massive benfits. Imagine Terminators dark pacting for sustained and then getting a ton of devs? Hopefully the detachment rule is cool. Slaves to darkness being renamed, khorne henhancement getting a slight nerf. We'll see if they retool the detachment a bit. Iron warriors is now theone we've seen the least now. But it's obviously gonna be sort of like a chaos equivelent to anvil siege I suppose. But will be more aggressive instead of 'stand still for more bonuses, and hold the line" Already with one enhancement it will be aiming to dismantle vehicles and fortifications(adly fortifications are kinda..... bad right now.

Nightlords should have a minus 2 to leadership tests and a bonus to hitting battleshocked units. Also, they should have rules that give buffs for outnumbering their opponents because they only target weak enemies to torment them. If they just have a minus 1 to leadership it will suck.

Thus, it shows more and more why you needed to get an old combat patrol for the hellbrute and DA. Havocs will be useful too

If a battleshock is a core component of an army. Nightlord, Tyranid, Chaos Knight. Then, it needs to be more impactful. Minus 1 to hit, somethings like that.

Hell turkeys coming back to "gobble" up the competition.

Does Auspex Tactics do any AoS/Fantasy content?

If GW had just gone a little farther with battle-shock, 10th edition might have been the Night Lords' time to shine for once. At least this time they can just use a different detachment that's actually good.

+1 to hit +1 to wound against a battleshocked target

them getting rid of the revive on accursed cultists is so stupid

Give the Nightlords a 2Cp Strat to auto-battleshock.

lol, what is that anti 4+ fortifcation on ironsmith?

I really hope they don't fumble the Nightlords detachment all I want is for leadership to be affected by them, some bonuses to cutting down fleeing models and minuses to hit if battle shocked.

If that enhancement is cheap enough, and the jump pack lord is too, it could act like that one assassin, just popping around the edge of the board doing secondaries.

Imagine to give up the current index detachment, which synergies very well with dark pact and is strong, just to get a 12" -1 Leadership debuff. I hope there will be more, but I have my doubts.

I don't expect major changes to battle shock before 11th, but I think that it should be something only triggered by abilities instead of happening as a result of normal damage. I think it would play better into most army fantasies that their elite super-soldiers don't get frightened by normal casualties, while the armies that specifically use fear as a weapon get to mechanically be more frightening than death itself.

People acting like a codex having bad detachments is something new. May i inquire you to look at a few of the SM and Tyranid detachments? Some real coal there.

Did you forget to show the contents of the Vets battleforce?

Mutant changes? I sure hope it does!

If they want Battle Shock to be a thing, then they need to separate it from being just another LD. Rather, a LD with negative modifiers from the get go - AKA, the very notion of taking a Battle Shock test would say, be a LD test, but with a basic -1 modifier. They also need to ditch units auto-rallying at the start of the CP. Again.. there isn't any cohesive direction at GW at the moment when talking about how they want this game to play.

Still so sad that the torments aren't updated chaos spawn imo

Battleshock hah no way. I think I'd rather infiltrate my Night Lords or zoom around with assault on all guns.

Vashtorrs detach out too!

I'm super excited to try out the new codex. And I will be building up and painting Vashtorr in preparation for it 😁😁😁💀 #ironwithinironwithout

Oh good. More battle shock rules. Only thing GW loves more then raising prices is trying to make Battle Shock relevant

They get the blood surge rule from berserkers.

I’ve barely played bigger games than combat patrol and so I didn’t realize until a few days ago that all his keywords count as marks for the whole unit when dark pacting. He is already nerfed before I ever got to do that, Sweet……..

Let’s goooo

Admittedly i was hoping for better with the Lost and damned aka renegades and heretics, its good if your melee but meh for shooting (my nurgle guard are sad) but it is better than what we been getting

I hope siege host is a iron warrior powerhouse rules

The battle shock reliant rules are so crap they are essentially the same power as other rules but have a really unreliable trigger. Like if it’s going to be +1 to hit or wound when battleshocked what’s the point other armies get that with easier and more reliable abilities. Make it like sustained hits 2 or lethal hits on a 4 plus so at least when it does happen it actually is scary

Losing Huron would really piss me off

Are we certain a unit is being lost? Have they confirmed that Fabius Bile will definitely not jump over to the Emperor's Children?

I've been reading the Soul Hunter series so I've been wanting to start a Night Lords army and cmon...battleshock...im also a Nids player so just my luck

So, this might not be totally relevant to this particular video, but how do current CSMs stack up to Astartes? Back in the day, they were mostly the same, and when Astartes got two Wounds, and better lascannon, I do think CSMs snagged those, too, because Alpha Legion shenanigans, but a great deal of effort was taken to "improve" the Loyalist Space Marines, with the Primaris literally being "better", and now they are the main aspect of the Astartes. I bring it up, though, because I don't recall GW really making the couple of units of Firstborn that much worse, as they continue to try and phase the old models out, and ford the characters across the Rubicon Primaris, yet nothing shoyld have been done to the Traitor Astartes, and Fabius Bile's "New Men" are simplyvan option, not a favtion-wide upgrade, like Primaris was, so do they still stand similar to Loyalists, statwise, even as the Primaris are bigger, with extra bits, and improved gear? Just curious.

All I want is more tsons

you didnt mention the fact that cultists will lose the option to carry firearms and special weapons, which kills the way many people ran them with mark of tzeench

Does any army actually have unique rules or is it just a grab bag of the same shit over and over.

noooo i do NOT want to lose regeneration for accursed((( i've just bought them for this ability!

Unfortunately, battleshock/leadership based things don't work too well in this game. I mean - you can't rely on the leadership/battleshock mechanics at all.

Night Lords should just be a semi separate army, like Black Templars or Dark Angels, the mainline army rule just doesn't work for their lore.

I'd rather keep the regen models tbh

Did Aboddon lose his supreme commander rule?… making way for some primarcs maybe?

Who is currently going to use Traitor Guardsmen at 70pts when cultists are 50 anyways? Even worse, who is going to pay for the Traitor Enforcerer & Ogryn to buff them? :-P

HH nightlord rules still king

God damnit they are gonna make the night lord detachment lame as fuck again. Battle shock is so worthless lol Horus heresy has the best night lords at least in 9th edition they had cool warlord traits and relics. We will get like one or two good detachments and it will be considered a “good” codex. This edition is so lackluster

Im not exactly hyped for these detachments, theyre kind of anemic compared to the marks, unless the marks are being folded into the army rule, which isnt happening since the pact bound zealots exist.

If a unit is battleshocked, they should basically be slaughtered in melee and ineffective at shooting

_"no airborne Chaos Space Marines contingent is complete without a Heldrake or two"_ Give me something for the cringe and let me die 😩

Every enemy unit in 12” should be FORCED to take a -1 BS test on a 5+ roll

Please make timesteps in your video

Ridiculous pricing. Glad I bought a ton of my stuff second hand.

Warhammer Community website updated that image sometime yesterday, it now properly displays the rule title "Raiders and Reavers" instead of an unknowably lazy copy-paste

Man so they are just better Tyranids

You should cover some Bolt Action

Really not a fan of 10th edition codex’s they allways seem to force you to take one type of unit to benifit from the detachments. And also the index detachments allways seem better than codex ones The only way I could see these working for me specifically is if you could take multiple detachments in one list like a 1000 pts of this detachment and 1000 pts of that detachment

The detachments are too hyper focused, unless you have multiple thousands of points of one army you’re pretty shoehorned into using 1 maybe 2 of the available detachments

They've outright abandoned battleshock in Age of Sigmar, I don't see why they're still trying to make it work in 40k. It's never worked and never will.

I just finished reading a Reddit post wondering if you were dead for not posting😂

lol batman army trying to spook black templars yeah ok bro come down here and fight me like a man

Lmao they’re still trying to make battleshock happen?

Aww, no spelling mistakes:(

GW, I mean this with all due respect: Please stop it.

Boycott.

All these tainted models work great in word bearers... and exclusively just them... stop GW this trend of just giving models stupid random fleshy bits was a crappy trend caused by the hellbrute and goatse chicken and needs to stop.

Once again, detachment proves to be the biggest mistake of 10th (an edition basically built up of mistakes). People LOVE subfactions and want them to have MORE unique identities, but instead of doing that, GW decided to totally erase subfactions from the game and instead make "generic detachments" which are basically a watered down version of thos, minus the faction identity. Battleshock is another obvious mistake of 10th. Everyone with a brain knew from day 1 that mechanic was poorly designed and would end up being bad all around, but they pushed it front and center for this edition.

No views after 14 seconds? Smh auspex fell off