"What happens now are just the last steps of a man who does not yet realize that he's walking dead" Dude Joshua has the best dialogue in the entire franchise
@@aslightlysanescientist3874 in all seriousness Graham and Gannon are written in a wonderfully clever fashion and are steeped with the history that most of the world has forgotten. They are excellent characters. To pull that off without making the character annoyingly pretentious is a feat. I personally like Cass because she seems more real, like she lived in darkly humorous world of fallout and was shaped by it.
@@gabenplznerf1093 The thing about Graham is even though he is irritable and out right monstrous sometimes most of the time he's still morally justified and calm and collected, I think one of the many many reasons he treats the white legs the way he does is because they remind him of his past self and the society he helped to create only to be beaten and broken by it. He lashes out because he was forced to go back to his war like ways just to protect a Tribe, because he wants to prove to himself that he's changed but he doesn't agree with that statement, all the endings involving Joshua's choice over giving up what little humanity he has left or distancing himself from convinced he can never change or realizing he can change and thus tarnishing his reputation as a vengeful spirit and living for the most part in peace
@@gabenplznerf1093 Exactly, they're characters who have absolutely nothing to prove and can recognize true incorruptible power having seen where these terrible leaders came from. They understood that even though they're not as powerful as the likes of Caesar, they know that by following the right people (such as the Courier) they can be absolutely take down empires.
Joshua’s response was interesting because most believe his death has no impact on the Legion but since he was a Former one he knows they’ll crumble with no one to lead them properly.
Yeah, everyone was just making assuptions about how Power vaccums work and how they make it clear throughout the story that the Legion whilst powerful as a force, are very weak as a faction. But as you said Joshua was once a Legate so he knows the chain of command better than anyone else outside the legion and just straight up says, Yeah the legions doomed.
@@experiencemaster1743 But Joshua sucked ass as a Legate, and in general didn't seem to understand or know much about the faction he served, causing the 1st battle of Hoover dam to be a failure. It is possible that the entire reason he was such a failure was because he didn't understand the Legion well enough. But thats my take on it and you're entitled to your own of course.
@@alfieshepherd6522 He allowed the Legion to rely to heavily on the Veteran legionaries, and when the veterans and command chain was killed, they just walked right into a obvious trap at boulder city destroying the Legion forces and losing all control over his own force causing a disastrous failure for the Legion army. Lanius was a much better Legate at least.
I love how despite knowing you took out Caesar and most likely his entire camp this guy is still confident he can kill you <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="23">0:23</a> it’s like when you get mugged in Skyrim at max level
except he doesnt try to do anything "because we are in Khan territory." Right buddy, sure. He strikes me as the kind of guy who wants to look tough, so he pretends to start fights only to have his buddies or girlfriend "hold him back" so the fight never happends. All bark and no bite.
That one thief that just saw you in your Daedric Armour, wielding the bow of the sun as you just dismounted your pet dragon and thinks to himself. "Yeah, I could take him on, no problem!"
Not really. The Courier isn't an all powerful, part dragon demigod. The courier is deadly in various ways depending on how you build your character, but they're only human in the end.
Really puts into perspective the whole misconception of everyone in the wasteland about Caesar's end goal. He wants the Legion to essentially chuck everything but the kitchen sink on the NCR, and see if Hegelian Dialectics could create the ultimate society, one that can survive the wasteland. He's not some delusional conqueror, he's a mad scientist. And the only way to really kill him is to burn his abominable creation with him.
He actually looks up from his guns too, he doesn’t even do that when he threatens to kill you. The man is genuinely bewildered and displays almost none of it.
@@smeggiamagarwine Bear bull bear bull history bear bull history bear bear bul bull bull history bull bear east west east west east west- jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
@@GlizzyGoblin757 How can Ulysses be a self insert character when Josh Sawyer didn't write a single line the character spoke? He was written by Chris Avellone
What i like about this whole thing is that we still have no clear idea whether Legion died or carried on after Caesar's death. Some NPCs say that Legion cannot go on without him in command and it will die in few years after the events of New Vegas while others say that there is a line of successors just waiting to take the throne. Gotta give it to Obsidian, they may not had enough time to polish the game, but they did made sure it had an ending that will be discussed for years to come.
I loved the approach they took on Vegas they didn’t water things down when it came of the brutality of what really would happen in an apocalypse. Rape, woman being treated like cattle, slavery, even a freaking pedophile who raped and tortured innocent kids. It’s brutal and messed up world and that’s how the world would definitely be if this happened I love new Vegas.
The Legion is huge, controlling Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado. With Caesar dead I speculate that they'll splinter into whoever is the strongest in the area like how the force in Hoover Dam might follow Lanius or Vulpes. I'm sure there are other Legates, Frumentarii officers, Centurions, or Governors that can gather up strength. Now, each of these successor agreeing to who will lead the Legion is gonna be messy. Succession in the historical Rome is messy too lul.
@@spamquisition4046 I feel like without the courier lanius is the best option-- A lot of people talk shit about lanius but the ability to talk him down near the end of the game shows lanius is smarter then people think. Definitely more brutal then caesar, but perhaps the person the legion needs to hold it's strength together.
John Doman the actor that plays Cesar is very talented, He's in The Wire, Borgia, and City on a Hill. He's also played many characters over the years on Law and Order, The Boys and Gotham.
Extremely talented, Ceasers Voice Acting demands respect and holds all the power when he speaks. As fucked up as he is, he is an extremely intelligent man with an interesting point of view on the wasteland. I do always end up killing him for the boone points, but my legion run was glorious.
His voice is so distinctive also, I recently started watching The Wire and when William Rawls started talking, even though I had not played FNV for years, I immediately thought 'ave, true to Caesar' 🤣🤣
It feels underwhelming, but it makes sense. The Legion isn't immediately affected by his death, as Lanius is seen as the biggest threat to the Mojave. It's a "nice work, but we still might die to the Legion"
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="227">3:47</a> Lily is such a gem, I love her to death and I'm proud to be her little pumpkin. While Leo worries me, I can't say I'm upset when he hacks through a deathclaw I missed.
Like... I was weirded out by the whole deal until I learned she was an actual grandma. I thought of mine and I couldn't tell her to leave my presence... shes my favorite companion
Love how House is the only one intelligent enough to realise the true impact of ceasars death. Hanlon and boone have spent so long observing the legion, they arrive at the same conclusion
I love how much the lines say about each character. Joshua's knowledge, Ulysses and Julie's forward-thinking, Raul's self-preservation, Lanius' lack of real loyalty, Boone's insane drive. I'm beating a dead horse, but New Vegas good
Lanius does have loyalty, but what's the point of loyalty to a dead guy? Lanius still follows through with Caesar's last order to him, take the Dam and New Vegas. The entire time, Lanius followed not the Legion, nor the ideology it's built upon, but Caesar
Another thing that stood out to me was Boone's comment. He specifically says "this might not even slow the legion down" and the only other person to think that way is House. His obsession with the Legion made it so that he is on par with literally the smartest man in Vegas (perhaps barring Think Tank) when it comes to foreseeing Legion. Well admittedly Ulysses also thought the same but he doesn't count since he has the inside track on the Legion.
Ulysses and Cesar have one thing in common. They act all philosophical and speak mighty words, but in the end, they're either totally wrong, or say nothing meaningful.
This is what i love about NV, your actions actually feel like they impact the world around you and people actually recognize what you do, meanwhile in 4 youre literally the general of the minutemen and virtually no one knows who you are
crazy that in FONV you could literally kill the leader of any faction at any time and the game would adjust. But in FO4 its nearly impossible to deviate from the script
I beat fallout 4 without even talking to Nick, it screws literally everything up when you go talk to his assistant lol. She acts like he’s in the room, but he’s still trapped by those raider guys😂😂 I hate that game tbh
I have to admit that between playing New Vegas and 4 multiple times over the years, New Vegas has left a better impression and I consider it the peak of Fallout. Granted, New Vegas didn't start out as the best, and while it still has its flaws, I still consider it the best Fallout game I have played. Fallout 4 on the other hand is good but not great. Fallout 76 is like the Burning Man of the Legion but the Burning Man earned their name because of their design, not by their mistake.
I like the realism of the military all saying pretty much “Yeah Caesar was more of a figure head him dying isn’t going to affect this war too much” but yet the civilians think the war should be over, and the one lady was complaining about the NCR not focusing on them.
The one thing i love about New Vegas is that not a single group is exempt from criticism or praise. The legion may be brutal and destructive but once the dust settles they get to work rebuilding the scorched earth and reclaiming the numbers they lose from war. As a result of the tyranny their lands are safe to walk through for the most part, something that cant exactly be said about the Mojave or any of the NCR territories. The NCR seems like the best to run the Mojave, as they represent our current set of governments and old values but these same governments in universe doomed the world by not being able to stop nuclear annihilation. There is a fair amount of greed and the families at the head of the NCR are implied to be no more than cronies out for their own profit and despite calling themselves a democracy they essentially have had a line of dictators since their inception. House only cares for New Vegas itself as they are a group they can closely monitor and govern, his plan is to spend all of his resources attempting to fly his group off planet. The Platinum chip is supposed to give him the raw processing power to actively realise this goal. In this manner he is quite similar to Vault Tec, who spearheaded and created the vault experiments, all of which were meant to gather data on whether a population can sustain themselves under a set of conditions meant to eventually force conflict. As a result it is implied that he generally does not care about his actions. This is only one interpretation however and there is the chance that he may be the most likely to circumvent the wasteland entirely with all its problems. Your route is easily the best gameplaywise but likely the worst lorewise since you essentially plunge the entire nevada wasteland into pure anarchy. You are but one man so despite being the strongest being in the wasteland you cannot possibly solve everything.
@@brobuscus1152 the only way to make the wild card work is improve relationships with other many groups. Meaning one must be idolized by the many to get some sort of proper relationships. Think the fallout 4 settlements but much more harder.
@@brobuscus1152 You're completely wrong about the NCR not keeping their land safe it's specially said that California is very safe (I think it's even said that mutants don't really exist there anymore) and vegas is literally a war zone so it's dumb to use it as an example of the NCR not protecting their land I also think it's dumb to say democracies are bad because the US got nuked if you go to China you'll see what happened to dictatorships The independent ending isn't pure anarchy the strip is protected by the robot's, the Brotherhood protect the trade routes, goodsprings, Novac, Jacob town and Primm can protect themselves well enough
@@alfieshepherd6522 "Mutants don't really exist there anymore"? No, the NCR pretty much integrated the Ghouls into society, in Fallout 2, I'm pretty sure they have the same rights as normies along with Supermutants, although Supermutants ended up clumping together on self-made reservations like Jacobstown.
"First went Vulpes, the smarm vermin. Then they sicced legionaries on me like packs of dogs. Dead Sea, Alexus, and so on, funny names attached to forgettable faces. Then the white-hooded serpent saw fit to invite me into his midst, nestled among his honor guard. The real problem is, with their colors, it's hard to tell if they're bleeding or not. So in the moonshine, psycho and buffout haze, I just had to go for whoever was still moving. His death removes the flag, but not the army. So all that's left is to shatter the Beast of Arizona against the Dam. He called himself Caesar, but he's just another king. And there is no king but me" - Dirk Moshpit, drugged out fisticuffing Mojave menace
@@OrzoMaestro sounds like a perfect idea for a companion mod. Perk would be either increasing the effect of chems and alcohol or halving the likelihood of addiction.
"What follows now are just the last steps of a man who does not yet realize he's walking dead." So elegantly written and voice acted. Joshua's like the only reason I like that DLC.
Raul, Ulysses, House, Joshua Graham, and Chief Hanlon seem like the only characters who have enough of a big picture view of the world to consider the long term consequences of Caesars death. Everyone else is "Caesar's dead, oh no", or "Caesar's dead, hooray." Or the militia person who was "Caesar's dead, *neutral response from Futurama*"
Boone too. I just stormed Caeser's fort and chopped him to pieces with him and Boone admits the Legion has a line of succession and will still be around for a few more years.
A game that actually gives you player agency and the world reacting to your actions... and this game was made in just 1.5 years?! What the hell happened to RPGs...
They have excessive time now but the problem was the best Bioware games never sold that well (FO:NV sold pretty well, tho,) so they never respected this kind of shit, it's a little disgusting, actually.
@@kyik3695 Probably some obscure experimental gun that fired a smaller version of .410 bore. If it existed, it probably was meant to be used by Soviet assassins.
Killing Caesar makes me truly, honestly wish that you could continue the game after Lanius and hear what people have to say about you bringing the Monster of the East down. Caesar's head honcho, sure, but unlike Lanius, he doesn't really have that almost-mythical reputation outside of the Legion.
He does though? Almost everyone you speak to which allows you to ask about Lanius will tell you about a monster of a man. Hell, Lanius' Helmet is on anti-Legion propaganda.
It's still weird to me that I played this game multiple times, always to the point where I was like "yep, I think now I saw everything", and still there's so much I missed lol. Characters I have heard of, but never met, locations from DLC's, Items etc
There is alot of stuff going on. I was on my 10th playthrough before stumbling upon the "Chopper" unique cleaver in some abandoned farm house. I went into that house every single playthrough beforehand but never noticed it lol
Caesar's death is the end of the Legion; that is the problem with cults of personality. Once the personality that founded it and led it dies, unless it had VERY well laid out plans the cult will eventually turn on itself or break apart.
The NCR is the only one that won't fall apart with the death of one leader, they actually have a Democratic System and that's its biggest strength. Even House and Yes Man paths are dependent on one person, in the latter case you the Courier.
the Bull is a rampaging animal, even when dying it charges forward, as if to try to take as much with it as it can. meanwhile the Bear will grow fat and greedy, like the Bull it is growing too fast, it threatens to fall apart as well. independent Vegas forces the Bear to slowdown, and for the Bull to pass on. House is a safe bet though if you're not a Courier out to complete the Mojave.@@VGamingJunkieVT
It’s really cool that the best ending for hanlon’s whole info quest is that you have to kill Caesar, really nails the feeling of all your actions having impacts
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="22">0:22</a> Wait, he pronounces it "See-Sar" and not "Kai-Sar"? I'm gonna guess Karl slept through part of legion school or something.
@@auh4806 Actually that's a good point, since he's pretty much the only one in the entire legion to pronounce it like that. Maybe he's trying to ingratiate himself to the Khans by adopting their lingo
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="242">4:02</a> LMFAO "We lose the dam, Oliver and the senate are ruined :(" Courier: "That's crazy. (idgaf basically)"
This is the kind of reactivity that fallout 3 and 4 just don't have. Kill every raider boss in the commonwealth? Crickets. Restore a mega water purifier? People are still begging for water in the streets
What's really annoying about more recent bethesda games is how overly populated their worlds are with bandits or raiders, to the point that those groups far outweigh civilians well more than tenfold, the cool thing about nv, oblivion, and morrowind is they aren't as overdone, they're just not overfilled with an unexplainably large disproportionate population of generic ne'er do wells to slaughter, so they feel more like immersive rpgs and less like shoot em ups
@@jonathanpilcher337 what?! You mean people may of slightly rebuilt after 200 years and culturally moved on?! Nah look at this guy he thinks baseball is called swatters lol 😂.
@@GlizzyGoblin757 what are you talking about? He only said fallout 4 had a disproportionate amount of raiders to actual npcs. Nothing about whatever the fuck you’re talking about lmao
In my every playthrough , if I had to kill Caesar it was with Boone and it was awesome storming through his camp alongside Boone. The last thing he never saw coming.
"Here's one for the house for killing Caesar" Courier: *_I just decapitated the f*cking legion, the one that threats all of this land, and you are just gonna give me a drink?, Give me free drinks forever dammit_*
To be fair, the Legion doesn't die from this. At least, not immediately. As Joshua and House point out, it's on a path to destruction, but the immediate threat is still there.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="89">1:29</a> "Intel we had back in the NCR said they had a whole succession lined up. They'll replace him soon as word gets out" We know Lanius is next in line, but I wonder who's next after Lanius's death and afterwards.
Unless Caesar outright says, "the new Caesar will be Vulpes/Lanius/Lucius," it will likely get split between those three and they will either kill each other or work together, the first one is more likely because Lanius dislikes the methods used by Vulpes because it brings no honor and disregards the strength of the opponent entirely
I'd like a Fallout spinoff that explores that. It'll either be a Legion victory or a Legion defeat, but the whole premise should be the Legion essentially splitting into those three factions in a civil war.
@@antonioducc4501 Kinda...it led to short term civil wars/infighting which would be similar, but it also led to *400 years* of a unified Roman Empire...which I really don't see the Legion pulling off...
The reason he said he was useful was because he knew he was the only way to get into the bunker without shooting half the legion , but aster that he doesn’t give a shit
I think Graham is right. If anyone would know, it'd be him. The death throes of the Legion would be scary for anyone close to them, but the Legion itself is doomed.
I love how even with the people who are smart enough to understand that Ceasar's death doesn't really matter that much. They still agree that it was a gamer move from Courier.
This is one thing I love about NV. Your actions are known and make you feel like you actually accomplished something. The world changes around your actions.
"But you - of all people dare to come here and the stand before me, the mighty Caesar. What you were thinking?" [Terrifying Presence] That I'd decorate this tent with your guts.
Don't you just love it when the voice actors had their voices muffled if their character's mouth is covered? I like hearing those little details in voice acting. Meanwhile, in Tales of Arise...
It's a filter/effect. If you give your companions a mask, their voice gets muffled too. Or unmask a character, then vice versa. Love that shit. (Sorry, I know it's been 2 years)
This is the most underwhelming aspect of the game. Caesar is so important and integral to the plot, and his death is treated like I just killed some well-known bum.
It's not underwhelming at all actually, it makes sense. Caesar was an idiot, an idiot that managed to convince 86 tribes his spiel of being an antithesis. Without him, they'll get some other bum (Lanius) To continue the offensive. His death was futile ultimately, in fact it emboldens the legion even more with lanius leading the charge. Which is good for the ncr because lanius can't lead for shit.
Raul saying "life was getting boring anyway" is defiantly something my courier would say or even reply "yep, I did it just to kill some time, ripping off fiends was getting a bit bland"
Mr House's reaction to Caesar's death is spot on. Once Caesar is dead the Legion would soon turn on itself rocked by civil war leaving them vulnerable to being attacked by their enemies. Lanius is next in line of succession after Caesar and Lanius is no leader but a rabid dog to set loose on the Legion's enemies. The rest of them are pretty pathetic with no real leader to take the reins.
House doesn't have intel about the legions internal politics like Boone does. Boone says that a successor is lined up appointed by Caesar. This could mean that they will fracture into a civil war, or that they'll take the reins and continue Caesar as work, and as they were appointed by Caesar, son of mars they'd likely be followed by most of the legion that were truly loyal to caesar
i agree with Joshua graham, no one could lead ceasers legion, only ceaser was able to. ceaser was the only one who knew how to keep the tribres together. lanius would use brute force thus making more tribes angry, no one would respect either Vulpes or antony like they did ceaser. leaving the legion headless. and once the tribes out east hear that ceasers dead, whats to stop them from leaving? there are not many legions out east, the tribes could overpower them, and if the legions move east, the same will happen in the west. i don't know what will happen when the lanius takes ceasers place maybe a civil war will happen, or the legion just fall apart, but i do know, that the legion cant survive
Marcus also says the Legion is following Caesar, not his ideals. Given that he's a Supermutant from a Vault from his ability to speak English coherently, it's good to assume that FEV-II made him more intelligent, as it does to most Supermutants who were from Vaults. I'd trust Marcus in this case.
What you will get in the Arizona lands are legion warlords who will fight towards the legacy. No tribe would rebel there. In the far east in Dog city and those regions you will have tribal rebellions who would have some legion influence. In new Mexico you will have a tribal legion mix of warlords . Given how strict they are against raiders and brigands that policy would still be in effect. And in the south you will have independent hispano legion states
Except Caesar's successor was never named in game were they? We can't know, and the only information we have is that there were successors. Joshua Graham was thrown out years ago, Hed never even met lanius who is the legions boogeyman. I doubt it's as cut and dry as the legion will just collapse. They are a propaganda field authoritarian cult of personality after all, and Caesar isn't an idiot. He likely appointed someone who would be able to at the very least hold together the legion if not leading it as effectively as himself
I often dont know what Raul is talking about because i killed so many powerful people that i cant even count: -Benny -Nero and Big Sal -House -Caesar -Vulpes -pretty much every named legionaire -all named fiends Etc.
"Say that name again, and you'll risk earning the wrath of Caesar!" [ Sarcasm ] Oh well, i guess he did send me to take care of that brain tumor for you, if that's what i remember [ Terrifying Prescence ] Sic Semper Tyrannis...
Plus he has the best well intended outcome. Smart to see the long term for humanity. Smart enough to out wit the competition and retain his power. It’s like having Tony stark as your boss. Plus he’d hook you up if you stayed faithful to his cause.
So basically in general killing Caesar was the good choice the legion won't be able to stay together for long without their leader they'll turn back into squabbling tribes in a few years but they're still powerful enough to take the dam because they had the battle leadership of legate and are still quite powerful and will try to take the damn in Caesar's name so the legate is next on the menu for the grim reaper
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="344">5:44</a> "I can only hope Arizona and the tribes don't suffer as the Legion falls apart." Courier who just nuked all 87 Legion Tribes and half of the Eastern United States with Ulysses:
I mean, it’s not like there was a bounty on the guy. I’m pretty sure the Navy SEAL who capped bin Laden didn’t have people give him money upon hearing of what he did (he did write a book, but I doubt there are book publishers in the Mojave Wasteland so the Courier is out of luck.)
i really wish that after you finish Honest Hearts that you could ask Joshua to help you against Lanius. it would have been awesome to see him remove the last remnants of true Legion Power with his own hands, and finally be able to rest properly again.
This whole thing reminded me of Shingen Takeda and Katsuyori Takeda of the Sengoku Warring States in 15th ~ 16th century in Japan. When Shingen, Katsuyori died, Takeda clan also died with him. In their final days Takeda clan would be remnants of their old, glorious selves, until finally Katsuyori drew his last on Mt. Tenmoku by slitting his own stomach, taking his life. I hope canonically Legion dies out with Lanius' death, too, they have less than purer motivations than the Takeda's.
Felt like he should be left alive for a while longer, but I needed to recover the chip and went Commando on his base just to see if that was an option. It was.
"First came Vulpes, Him and I had a little "heart to heart" if heart to hearts sounded like "*OH GOD! MY FLESH IS BURNING! IS THAT A FUCKING GRENADE?!*" followed by being blown to chunks. Then came assassin after assassin and whatever straglers of the Leigon I could find and one by one... They all fell like dominoes. And when I reach that fucker Caesar... I'm going to give him a 'friendly' Vats powered Super Sledge to the face." - My current playthrough of NV
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="209">3:29</a> Kings Gang Member: Word on the street is that the leader of the Legion bought it. Too Bad, someone was finally going to do something about all the NCR around here How little does he know
What this ultimately means is it doesnt matter IF the legion wins or loses at Hoover Dam. Lanius can only lead in battle, nothing else, it's all he has the mind for. The Legion will deteriorate and crumble in a power vacuum as others try and fail to lead. There won't be any strong leader to carry on during non-wartime, and the Legion will collapse upon itself, victory or no. Ultimately the Hoover Dam doesnt matter in the long run if Caesar is dead.
I had more then 6 playthroughs with different characters. I only sided with Caesar once and i still betrayed him in the End. I couldn't think of a character, no matter how evil, that would buy to his bullshit. Maybe a INT 1 character could side with him, which i never did because skill points are based on INT.
That's because it takes forward thinking to realize that Caesar isn't even that much worse than the ncr. He's authoritarian and bad to us today, but what he provides the people under him is the best out of the options given. His people are safe and will live to be old, his slaves not so much, but citizens of the legion will never see raids on their homes or starvation
@@Jiub_SN You know that the "citizens of the legion" are only males? Women are born as slaves. Could you really live with the fact that your own daughter/sister/mother is doomed to live a life in agony? Not to forget the anti-high tech attitude of the legion. You injury got infected? Better hope your "ave caesar" and heal powder will do the job because you can say goodbye to antibiotics and painkillers. Besides that, Ceasar literally tells you why he is a moron. He claimed that that the NCR is spreading to wide and is doomed to fail because of it, while he bases his Legion on ancient Rome, a civilization that spread too wide and doomed itself because of it.
That's the thing that is that it's entirely possible that he could be wrong... he's also not the only one of that opinion as Mr. House also believes they'll dissolved without Caesar's leadership.
i really like how there's different sentiments. some people are really hopeful and talking like things are about to change, others are telling you it might not make a difference. it gives the player tons of room to decide and write their own story each time
I think my favourite part about this is that the two men who know Caesar and the legion the most have the two most interesting and also the two conflicting points about his death. Ulysses believe even with Caesar dead, the legion will carry on under lenius and ceasar will be the martyr that spurs them on and the bear will burn. Joshua believes that with ceasar dead, there is no way that the legion will continue, the legion dies with ceasar with one of the greatest quotes ever. I think that it’s nice that they had these two conflicting points, because it continues the wariness and unease in the wasteland. When you kill ceasar, you may feel like you’ve changed things, you may be right, or you may be wrong. Who do you believe is ultimately right? One of ceasars best scouts who undoubtedly I would imagine has more info on the legion the way it is now. Or a man who was once the closest to ceasar as his legate. Could it be that the legion grew even more than Joshua could have imagined since he was threw from hoover dam? I think it also represents the difference in their characters well. Ulysses, despite how he has grew, is still very much chained to the past, you can see how it weighs on him and his approach to the news is a lot more fearful and hopeless. Joshua’s is the opposite, it’s a lot more optimistic and I think it makes sense because Joshua seems to look to the future a lot more while still respecting what he has learnt in the past. I think it also shows the power of the legion and of ceasar, that either ceasar is so powerful he will live on in the legion even after death. Or if we look at it from Joshua’s point of view, ceasar was so powerful that the legion can’t exist without him. Or also, ceasar and his legion has grown so much in their power since Joshua left, that Joshua can’t even comprehend just how much of a martyr ceasar will become for the legion.
@@blackjannik9458 i mean you aren't wrong. Everyone not already in possession of a femboy tent slave belongs on a cross. Legion's definitely got thag going for them 😏
We all know that actually killing caesar will make legion crumble,lanius is great warrior and all but he's a fucking idiot when it comes to leading the legion also unlike with old caesar legionares would follow orders out of fear not passion so i have no idea why some of them say that his death won't do much
Always felt this should’ve effected the world more. Maybe the legion becomes more aggressive and melee focused or something. The NCR takes out reinforcements or something
