Selling Your Companion Arcade Gannon To Legion with Different Hidden Outcomes & Dialogue In Fallout New Vegas Intro 0:00 Selling Arcade To Caesar 0:07 Selling Arcade To Lucius 2:17 Independent New Vegas Ending 3:43
Caesar probably doesn’t get many chances to exercise his brain by speaking with a very well read individual, while there’s no way of knowing I would assume that those conversations would be some of the most tolerable moments for Arcade as well
@@illyrian9976 besides that, the Legion openly shuns all technology that doesn't directly help Caesar, like the Auto Doc in his tent and the Power Fists his Praetorians use
Arcade is super chill about the whole thing. He'll ream you out for blowing up HELIOS One and killing Anderson, but sell him into slavery and he'll just be _vastly_ disappointed in you.
I think that just shows how selfless he is. He sees great personal harm in being a slave to Caesar, but he sees greater public harm in power being directed to the orbital weapon, rather then communities in need. It is heartbreaking that you can do such terrible things to him.
When the Courier says, "The world needs Caesar more than it needs you", Arcade responds with a quote from Lucan's _Pharsalia_ , "the winning cause pleased the gods, but the lost cause pleased Cato"
@@jamesserrano5619 It's a pretty common lament picked up from the poem - basically glorifies Cato going down with the side he believed in ("republicanism") even though he knew it would fail, rather than betraying his principles to side with the caesarian faction and win. I'm pretty sure it gets used on some american civil war monuments in the south, but its basically an ode to last stands.
@@cormacdonnelly365 Republicanism as it should be, instead of the one we have now, where the party has a Caesar-like ruler (ironically with brain problems), and the laws they made to control childbirth.
I think it's fucking hilarious that arcade got so fed up with having to be ceasers debate partner that he would rather kill himself than be part of one more debate with a hegelian cancer patient
@patrick leduc im pretty sure it's intentional, fallout is satirical after all. The kind of "i read philosophy once, now i know how world should be organized" -types of people.
@patrick leduc That's not Caesar goal. You're also considering that progression will always be better from our current moral perception, when it can and many times have been in a totally different direction from what people use to believe was good. Caesar also explain that he is only using the roman symbolism, not that he wanted to rebuild the Roman empire politically like it was.
Fun fact-Arcade’s end in the first ending is based on Cato the Younger. When Caesar defeated Pompey in the Roman civil war, Cato refused to be pardoned by Caesar and instead disemboweled himself with a sword. Caesar apparently wept for weeks.
Hard to believe that he wept for Cato, I can see why he wouldve for Pompey, but Cato was just a massive douche, who was one of the major reasons why the pompeyans even lost the war. And all that running away to greece and africa, opposing caesar time after time, Im pretty sure he wasnt happy about the suicide because he couldnt spare him and show that he was the better man
“Victrix causa deis placuit sed victa catoni” - "The victorious cause pleased the gods, but the conquered cause pleased Cato" A quote from Pharsalia, a poem written written by Lucan during the time of the Roman civil war between Caesar and Pompey. One that describes both sides of the conflict as equally wrong, if for different reasons. In said poem Cato the Younger, a stoic man, realizes the Caesar, there depicted as a vicious power hungry monster, has won the war. He knows he will be offered pardon, offered a life under new rule. Cato instead chooses to take his life, by eviscerating himself, to die with dignity and honor. From the very start of his slavery under Caesar, from the moment he exchanged last words with the courier, Gannon knew he will take his life in the exact same way. It was no spur of moment - he lived with that thought for years.
I feel so bad for enslaving him now goddammit. I would've just gotten the auto doc parts but I didn't know about them I must've missed the dialog. And my medicine skill was too low to save Caesar
Yeah, Benny was unlucky enough to shoot the main character of all people. You know how easy it would’ve been if he shot someone else? Vegas would’ve been his in a month
This game wasn't built from the ground up. It's literally an expansion of Fallout 3. All they had to do was focus on the details. So this shouldn't be a surprise.
Arcade and Caesar in ending 1 mimic the real life Cato and Caesar. Cato, being unskilled in weaponry, died after recovering from a suicide attempt and pulling his own guts out with his hands. Caesar, even in conflict respecting Cato, mourned his death. That’s some great work by someone at obsidian.
I did it, on my full Legion playthrough, doing all what it and could be good for the Legion, pretty sad ending for him, but it was done in the name of science.
Oh no... He read a book and is making references literally 99,9999999% people wont get.. And even in pre war world. Maybe instead of reading useless literature, he should learn how to make stimpacks or at least healing powder.
@@Nutsaur I am one the wierd minority which actually reads this kind of literature. I read Odyssey around 5 times, but I never met anybody who read that book. And now imagine if I make references to it. Fecking nobody would know what the I am talking about and now imagine in post-apocalypse... Where most books were burnt in atomic fire or for campfire. I understand some latin, but everybody would hate me if I start saying quotes in LATIN. It would be incredibly pretentious. Gannon was with followers for years, he had prior Enclave knownlage and education. But he accomplished nothing. He cant even make anything useful or otherwise. Meanwhile Mobius can create better robots than anybody pre war (assaultron and military grade sentry bot might be better) from SPARE PART and he wasn't even expert in robotics, unlike 0. These two supposedly should have same inteligence. X
I love how even after being sold into slavery by his good friend and now has to serve the man he hates more than anything, Arcade is still sarcastic and passive aggressive towards you. Best companion.
Once I'vee played and bonded with all the companions and learning their story it makes it almost impossible for me to do an evil playthrough and do any harm to them in any way lol
That's one of the beautiful things about this game, you can get so easily emotionally attached to the companions once you discover their personal stories
That's why to this day I have not killed doc Mitchell or rex or Raul once. I will admit I killed arcade before, but for a justified reason. He had some sick power armor I couldn't get because I didn't pass a speech check so I just killed him for it 🙂
Don't you get 3rd unique ending so long as you sell Arcade AND choose any one besides Legion? I thought the ending also triggers if you go Mr. House or NCR route
You can't sell him and then do house cause Caesars tumors only occur after the kill house quest. I'm unsure of how it works with NCR, but that might work as I don't think you're locked out at that point for the NCR
Love that Caesar literally cried because he lost the only guy he can talk with intellectually. Now he's just going to spend the rest of his life talking to his cult followers. XD
I can imagine Ceasar having to stop every time Arcade disagrees with him to stop some Preatorian from killing Arcade for 'defiance'. Ceasar: No no, I WANT him to disagree with me. His differing veiw helps identify any problems in my plans to improve.
Imteresring thing too, as mentioned above the Latin phrase Arcade mentions at the start translates to " The victorious cause pleased the gods, but the vanquished cause pleaded Cato." And it was also said that Arcade disemboweled himself with a scalpel and his bare hands. After Cato the Younger, a roman Senator, lost the battle of Thapsus against Caeser in the Roman Civil war, he committed suicide the exact same way. With a knife and his bare hands. The writing of this game astounds me sometimes.
Right? I think the only companion that has it worse than Arcade is Lily, because none of her endings are really good. At least with Arcade there are a few "things turned out alright."
It sucks that Raul and Lily aren’t even very developed companions. I mean Rex has more content than them put together. At least I have Veronica (even though half the time I play NV, she gets a sad ending)
Only the post-Enclave Reunion Yes-Man endings are good for him; ironic considering that ending is arguably the worst for everyone else. Arcade having poor endings is a critique of idealistic thinking in the Post-apocalyptic Dystopia of the Fallout Universe.
@@whitegoose2017 There was a cut option for House's route where you infiltrate the Brotherhood and convince them to stay in lockdown or leave the Mojave. There were even voicelines recorded for House's reaction to it, but ultimately the option was cut because it would have made House's route too compelling and it was out of character for House to change his mind on the BoS
Arcade killing himself is doubly devastating because he picked one of the most agonizing and complicated ways to go. It must have been about sending a message to his slavers.
Not really. He chose one of the more painful ways to kill himself as a smug "gotcha" to the only other guy on that side of the Colorado who probably understood that reference. It's actually laughably pathetic and petty.
I didn't know you could sell him after Caesar is dead anyway, or that there was a unique ending for doing so. All these years, and I'm STILL learning new things about this game!
So you're telling me, Arcade is too morally lawful that he wouldn't stoop so low to kill Ceasar during surgery, yet was short sighted enough to kill himself? He was in the perfect position to slowly influence the mind of Ceasar. For such a smart man, he seems pretty quick to tap out.
That was kind of Arcade though. He probably could've had a larger role in the Enclave as well, but if an organization didn't align with his principles, he didn't stick around and didn't want to.
Never seen these endings because in over 900 hours that i played this game no once i have used Arcade as a companion and i don't see myself using him for another 900.
"Victrix causa deis placuit sed victa catoni" - "the winning cause pleased the gods, but the lost cause pleased Cato". This is a reference to Caesar's civil war, in which Cato was a major opponent of Caesar. Cato would ultimately kill himself by ripping out his own organs, a knife not being available. Before the civil war, Cato was also known to spar verbally with Cato in the senate, the two being leaders of the opposing factions of the time. Arcade's death is a reference to this in the first ending is a reference to this.
@@jehehehedias5881 no he's boring af, he look like a random leftist with a phd paid by his dad who never truly work in his life and always talk shit like book are real life when he could'nt survive two hours without mom's money (even if it's not the case lore wise, i only talk about feeling), and i'm leftist, scientist and a worm book too lmao
@@juliusrobertoppenheimer9104 fuck you, now I need to write a parody of first four episodes replacing Llamas with Gannon and Caesar" "Uhhhh, Caesar, why is there a dead human in our house?" "Hegelian dialectics told me that he was the antithesis, and I was thesis, so I created the synthesis of making him die" "Caesaaaaaaaar, that kills people!"
@@beiberns There's always a point of no return. Pretty sure the moment you make it to Caesar's tumor problems and try to diagnose it, you'rr already a terrorist to the NCR and the only other ending you can get if you opt in killing the Legion to save Arcade is the Yes Man ending
I don't. There are some that just don't interest me, or who I find uninteresting or insufferable so I don't use them. I play a game to enjoy it, not find out every nuance there is to know about every possible thing that can be done with every possible combination of things, person, or group. (I never did a "Legion playthrough" because I hate the Legion and what they do, as another example) No slam on those who do, by any means, but there are probably a lot of people out there like myself.
I thinks it’s a reference to the historical death of Cato where after his defeat at the hands of Julius Caesar he disemboweled himself in a similar manner.
I can imagine Lanius getting really annoyed with Arcade to the point where one day he’s just like, “Will you just SHUT.UP!!! You know what? Crucify this guy! Why is he even in our camp?”
@@bookwermofthefandoms Think they're noting the plasma defender on his hip. That's probably just cause the game doesn't bother with details of eqipment.
based run = int 1, luck 10, rush the strip, won shit ton of money in casino, get arcane, kill the computer boi and the cool jacket fucker, go to caesar fuckhouse, sell the redditard
The thing is that both Caesar and Arcade belonged to the Followers: thats why Caesar mourned him, he almost saw himself reflected in Arcade. His younger self.
Honestly I nearly forgot that Arcade existed. I had more fun running around with the other characters, so after my first playthrough I wandered around with other people instead.
I try to kill Caesar after giving Arcade to see if you can free him but Arcade would actually defend Caesar if you attack him, even if you kill everyone but him he will keeps attacking you.
I sort of wished their was a Unique good ending for Arcade when sold to Caesar. Like Caesar learned to respect and trust Arcade more. To the point where Arcade was no longer considered a slave but instead as a friend. A bit of a stretch but maybe even giving Caesar some closure in the sense that he am pulls back on this Legion Domnating the wasteland so he can make a utopia plan and sort of goes Back to the Followers
It would be cool if one ending had Caesar becoming a close friend of Arcade, making Arcade not longer a slave but rather staying in the Legion with an important role.
@@trouslinabone I think one of arcades main things are his firmly held beliefs. If anyone was gonna flip flop he’d be the last person, and based off of his ending with the legion it’s clear even with time his opinions didn’t change
1:23 This line is made just a little bit better by the fact that the Latin name for Odysseus is Ulysses - a Courier who got so lost he ended up in a DLC.
I'm doing my first legion playthrough playing an evil character and I'm on a predicament about what to do with Arcade, on one hand I want to have him enslaved by the legion, on the other I'd like to progress his quest gathering the remnants and have them aid the legion. I wonder which should I chose, and I wonder if just maybe both are posible, I wonder if you could get his quest, advance it all the way were you can visit the remnants bunker and before talkin to them to decide who you want them to help, you go to Caesar and get to the point were you give him Gannon and then return to the bunker, then just maybe both could be possible, but I don't know if that would work or the moment the legion takes Gannon the remnants' bunker will become inaccessible.
