Charlie Mackintosh: We SHOULD fight for King And Country - 2/6 | Oxford Union 

Can't fight for King and country anymore when that King and that country no longer truly exist in any kind of meaningfull way

nobody in that room would be fighting for king and country! all talk no action!!!

The clean shaven pretty boy in a kilt telling us to fight and die for nothing

What is it with Oxbridge and being filled with Scottish people with English accents

The only speaker who spoke from his heart without following a paper was George Galloway

Shameless Western Imperialists still living in their past glory.

Always heartwarming to see new generations bringing new fresh faces, intellects, talents and perspectives, regardless of the relative merit or lack thereof of those perspectives.

5:34 This chap needs to look at who our armed forces actually fight for.. take a look at who funds the Royal Institute of Foreign Affairs (Chatham House) 10:51 actually a soldier should likewise refuse to fight in an unjust war. Not to put too fine a point on it, to fight in an unjust war is to participate in murder

All kilt and no knickers. Bonnie Prince Charlie should have been red carded out of this debate. In an act of sheer and staggering moral dishonesty he slid the debate from 'This House would NOT FIGHT for King and Country to THIS HOUSE WOULD NOT SUPPORT a fight for King and Country. These debates need a referee to ensure this kind of intellectual dishonesty cant be employed by a chancer with nothing in his sporran apart from a Kipling ditty and membership card to the Conservative Party..

Another kid/leader, heck!

Great speech. Inspiring spirit.

"By recognizing that they too died for their king and country, we restore to them the humanity that the war robbed off them".. that's an absolutely fantastic example of wordsmithery , Kipling-esque, Charlie is a very convincing orator. And after the two opening statements I'm edging heavily in favour of the motion . Do all speakers write their own speeches? or can/do, the debate participants employ ghostwriters/scriptwriters ?

Gosh what a relatable, salt-of-the-earth, man of the people this guy is

Something tells me that Mr. Mackintosh would be among the first - if not actually _the very first_ to enter the front line as cannon fodder for the elite in a potential war, and all for the absurd anachronism - his oh so _''Beloved King''. . . . In _reality,_ I don't think so . . .

If I were the parent of this Charlie guy, I'd definitively ask Oxford to refund my tuition money.

*_This is actually insufferable. Children born 2002 and later speaking in such an honorable room. Truly this is the end of the United Kingdom and the beginning of the Chinese satrapy of England_*

You are welcome to stick Your name on one of the memorial plaques. Its golden opportunity in Ukraine. Go on. But don't forget to take off Scottish kilt. Scottish people will not forgive you for disrespecting kilt.

Absolutely bloody hilarious!!! Jolly good speaker.

Chuck Hackintosh? LOL!!!😂

You to can fight for every immigrant . Illegal or otherwise. As a member of Nato you can fight anyone anywhere. Forfuckingwhat.

It would be a safe bet that Charlie would not be in the front line trenches.

Just becareful what you wear. If Ian Blackford becomes SNP chairman he'll take it back from you, leaving you standing naked. He will not stand for this disrespect to Scottish Kilts.

Dear me, probably doesn't know a working class person either..

4:20, the problem with debates right there, mock the other person

He should have asked for advise as to how the Kilt should be worn. lol. Charles the king of the WEF

If Charlie uses the balloon as part of his argument . It shows how bankrupt his argument is . Fight and die for a weather balloon . NOT ME

yeah, a right Charlie !

The king of England’s purpose is primarily to protect the British people! Being a major signatory of the WEF indicates he works against our best interests. Therefore, he might be your king & royal family, but at almost 73 I can see through this tyranny so I’m a republican & feel much better!!

I came to see george calloway competition but disappointment.

Their dialects constrict their thoughts.

Why is this perk dressed liked nicola sturgin?

Englishman cosplaying as a Scotsman

Anybody know how the vote went?

expected some valid points over emotional blame game

"' ALL WARFARE IS BASED ON DECEPTION "' (sun tzu) 4th century BC. " History Teach Us that Man Learns Nothing from History " (HEGEL) 1770-1831.

The stench of privilege is ever more palpable on this debate. There's no way any of those present wouldn't be draft dodging at the first opportunity, like toff Neos limboing under the rhetorical bullets of duty, patriotism and just war. "They worry about it so that we don't have to"...are we really surprised that Mr Mackintosh (tosh, I think, is operative) is such a staunch defender of the status quo? It won't be his sons dying in the kinds of war he is advocating here.

On the one hand somebody should be able to answer yes or no without a suspiciously long winded answer. On the other hand it may be useful to define the term. When I taught multiculturalism and fascism the textbook used to distinguish between racism - an attitude - and racialism - a policy. Perhaps, I think now, it was hinting at the difference between different Englush speaking states. Otherwise the 'I despise what you are but I'll defend your right to exist etc' sounds unacceptable when applied to different cultural attitudes and behaviours. As someone who grew up in mainly white environments I would say that one maybe takes risks in what one says when one is less nervous of one's own attitudes . Oh they meant 'r.....'.

Of course he's wearing a fucking kilt

Charlie are you dressed as a true highlander? I wonder 💭 I disagree with everything George Galloway says. But I admire and respect the ways he says it, as an orator and someone whom has a sound mastery of the English language. If the shit hypothetically ever did hit the fan and a national coalition would be needed to fight a general war against China and Russia. Galloway and Blair like them or not would be the best we could field. There is no natural churchillian warlord type figure waiting in the wings to hold the country together come what may. Galloway and Blair 😂 tragic

I guess for many oxford uni would just a dream

The clown in the kilt is no fighter and has no business wearing one.

King and country, not Zelensky

While I appreciate the youth of the speaker, his argument here as presented make no logical sense. (A listener unaware of which side of the debate the speaker was advocating would be hard-pressed to work that out based only upon his speech.) The Kipling quote in particular is taken from a poem which is commonly thought to highlight reasons why soldiers should NOT fight for King and Country. The idea the speaker proposes in that soldiers should fight in illegal and immoral wars despite those wars illegality and immorality, indeed despite any personal beliefs or convictions by the soldiery, makes no sense whatever. The "We Were Only Following Orders" argument was debunked at the Nuremberg War Crimes trials. (This young gentleman is the President of the Oxford Union? How bad were the other candidates?) Moreover, if the University of Oxford represents the best and brightest of the Nation's young thinkers and the Oxford Union among the brightest of those, is this young gentleman really representative of the best, the cleverest, the clearest thinkers among the Nation's young people? (I sincerely hope not...) Mr Macintosh is a student of PPE, (usually seen as a 'stepping-stone' toward a career in politics) and upon graduation he is set to embark upon a career as a British Army Military Officer. (So he will upon 'passing out' at Sandhurst, one day command men, possibly in combat. He may well go on to pursue a political career after that?) Of course, Mister Mackintosh is still but 20 years old. It's more than highly likely that his skills in analysing and presenting a cogent, logical and clearly-stated argument will develop as he matures. (Let us all hope so, for on this evidence I'd question his ability to properly understand a simple grocery shopping list...) xx SF

Wow been a while since I heard someone sounding so fascist at such a young age

That posh little lady Rambolina in the kilt would never go to war himself,the rich and privelidged never do.

*_4:05_**_ Ew_*

We live in the age of #notinmyname . The bubble of empire floated up and away out the open window, eh??

Blundering on about the just war in Ukraine is sickening

You dare not go to Afghanistan wearing this skirt, which you call kilt. 😂😂😂 Can't fight for the King who himself can't stand straight 😂

You must to distinquise... Who the king is...? If your king always fear to God and always follows his kind heart...you must fight with him with your country if your king does opposited ... Don't follow him... That's all, i wanna say... Tell your king to always fear to God then follow his kind heart... The true king is not an arrogance or jealousity or hateness because those feeling are the true demon... 🌐🇬🇧👑❤️

The thin red line allusion is unsatisfactory - WWI was a Total War (which is the current history proposition, and I don't think the first two debaters have gleaned the nature of this); in WWI (and II) all of the British empire was at war, everyone rationed their food and energy, everyone worked longer hours, skimped and saved, collected metals for recycling and so on --- and a generation of boys-come-men died then. In this coming conflagration we will all serve corporate power, bald and with puppets we will see through - as happened at the end of WWI, I expect revolutions against these warrior states, across the alliance rather than just in one or two.

*_I thought that the one time I would be in a room full of femboys in skirts it would be under other circumstances. Alas life is not as cheerful as I would've hoped._*

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I remember someone saying, the most stupid people are in universities.

These are some chippy introductions.

Hear hear GOD save the king!

The brunette lady in black behind the speaker is so infatuated with the speaker. The idea for"King and country" doesn't make sense to me till now, because what is the country?

This particular speaker didn’t add anything knowledgeable to this debate. Waste of my time. Very disappointing from an Oxford debate

All those calling to fight..will hide and never visit the frontline

We will do it because it's right. Not because we want to be run over.

No man should fight for mammon. Its just a handout for thieves. Soldiers dont grow on trees. Want someone elses stuff? Get a 2nd job. McDonalds is hiring.

🧐 I have only one thing to say: grow up young man maybe one day you’re going to wake up to the reality of life. Good luck!🧐

Almost every if not all of his arguments can be proven wrong through empirical observation and as well historical outcomes... Too much use of empty words

I think we just watched a future PM

What’s he on about? Terrible orator.

GOD SAVE THE KING!

How about that bit where he insulted the Scottish gentleman who had loudly protested the war which he himself described as being an illegal war? Perhaps he was unconsciously paying tribute to the dolts and feeble minded war mongers who supported the illegal invasion of Iraq when he copied their “playbook” of attacking any opposition. Back then they immediately tried associating George Galloway with Sadam and called him a puppet whereas this nitwit insinuated Mr. Galloway would somehow fight for Putin. The speaker might have acknowledged “war is not sweet” but the only arguments he made in favor of his view felt more like emotional propaganda to weaponize patriotism or, as he ended his ‘argument’, an attempt to guilt participants into supporting his side. I’m guessing he is a prime candidate for the Rhodes Scholarship.

Let's send the king to his death instead.

Didn’t realise rabbie burns had an English accent