Cheating in Competitive Melee 

I didnt even finish the video and I knew he would get mentioned. Dude was at my locals lol

Well s4 cloud with instead of a disjoint full imoraltality durring the moves hitbox being out so a better s4 cloud up air AND THATS SAYING SOMTHING.

It doesn't even have the ridiculous hitbox below him. It does have invincibility in exchange though.

Up air wasn't changed outside of the invinciblity.

@@carson3526 no it had its hitbox grown by almost 3 times.

a man way before his time

They gutted Pichu lmao

some say "hacked" some say "patched"

From the Wii? His dad must've worked at Nintendo

and it's the launch pichu back in 1.0.0

I agree with that comment

Actually?

@@zaneplayx3176 probably not, but given the man is from Ohio, i wouldnt completely disregard that possibility, even if it is just a meme

I kinda love the fact that i got pre patch pichu for a bit

​@@Rezim942 Ohio moment

Believe it or not, it was an actual problem. Screaming in peoples ear was a workaround for a short while, but also got banned.

@@cfino9 As far as I know, the only workaround is mashing buttons as loudly as you can to throw off your opponent, but with how clicky Gamecube controllers are, I doubt the tech is worth a damn in Smash. Legal and effective in more traditional fighters though.

@@CoralCopperHead its why a lot of SF players prefer using negative edge for projectile inputs as releasing a button is much quieter than pressing one

In my youth, it was considered a valid tech, but only against Mortal Kombat uppercut juggles. It probably wasn't tournament-legal, but the idea of video game tournaments being a serious thing was still distant.

Hey, as long as it works !

If I played melee I would main fighting polygon (male) and fight for him to be recognized by the community and he put at the bottom of every tier list.

Every game has a character who either gets banned or is considered for a ban. Master Hnad, Meta Knihgt, Bayonteta...

i was gonna type that lol

@@siddarthselvarajan2667 rip

Crazy hand: am I a joke to you!?

Aye. the range, the weight, the fact that it hurts itself....

The main problem is that everyone has seen enough Pikachu to know something is up. With Pichu, if you never played casually you may have legit never seen this version of Pichu played before.

@@givecamichips I think that what Ken was trying to say is that if you want to play a stronger version of pichu, then you don’t have to cheat. You can just play pikachu instead

@@TheIdiothead Well yeah, obviously. But the guy made Pichu better than Pikachu.

@@givecamichips who me?

ah yes. master H N A D

Master Huge-Nimble-Appendage-Disembodied AKA the dread Master HNAD

"mister hend"

Wait he isnt dead

He hearted hes alive

I wouldn't call hacking your main's weight so fox can waveshine you across Battlefield intelligent.

@@maxbasilone3026 p sure waveshining is based on traction, not weight or fall speed. Peach is one of the lightest and floatiest characters and is also one of the easiest to waveshine. Increasing Pichu's fall speed is overall a buff imo but there are some downsides

@@Forthelemon nope it's based on weight, anyone lower than marths weight can't get waveshined, Peach is above marth.

@@LuigiLitoLL oh wow ok I had no idea

@@Forthelemon 6:12

honestly had he just kept his cool he wouldn't have gotten caught in the first place. The idea was genius and no one would of expected it in a million years, at least until he got to majors

He was probably just doing it for the lulz

He could have done it if he used pichu as a secondary and did freindlys with his main Its as simple most low or bottem tiers are so underused most people dont know there hitboxes in the moment off the top of there heads Ok that F Smash easily could have given it away KILLING EARLYER THAN FULL CHARGE TIPPER MARTH ok thats obvious.

@@Newbmann Yeah, that's the thing that got me the most. Hitboxes? Sure, they looked a little jank but nobody pays attention to stuff like that on low tiers. F-Smash killing full screen at 20%? Nobody's gonna buy that for a second.

cheaters are not really people to put in effort to cover their tracks, I mean they didn't put the effort to just try their best without cheats.

one could say he called upon a HIYAAAAA power

​@@GP423 +2

They also found that Pichu has a invisible Buster sword and that added to his weight.

@@raulphilipgoco403 And that weight allowed him to tech faster and make his forward smash as thick as a bull's head

bro has tungsten in his goggles

Lol he forcing everyone to play his busted game was hilarious enough

Lmfao 😹 True!!! But to think there is already a character in the game that can kill you at 30%

Changing the forward smash damage is the most ludicrous for me. Like, sure, extending hit boxes and ending lag, that's something that might pass unnoticed. Some characters have jank hit boxes. But come on dude, people are going to notice when your smash does literally double the percent damage that is clearly visible on screen.

Hollow

@@Jotari honestly he should have gone the full mile and just make all of his moves kill at zero since the bastard thought no one would find it off that his f-smash killed at 35.

Hacker: Like my F-smash? M2K: You will expose our secrets if you keep this up. Play some friendlies and stop forward smashing. Hungry box: Teehee, the Edge removed 59 seconds off the timer.

I mean he is the original frame data miner

@@aetherius6221 He didn't data mined the frames, he measured them in game by pausing repetitively.

@@laytonjr6601 more in concept than literally but yeah

I'd sweat bullets

what are you talking about?

I think he’s joking, implying he thinks the smash bros models are animated by asum himself.

@@nyatrue401 oh ok, that makes some sense

Whoops my bad, meant to say “edits” instead of animations, either way it’s still really good editing

Conspiracy Theory: AsumSaus works really hard on his videos. I don't know, man. That's pretty out there.

Let’s go

Thanks, I was honestly starting to think something serious might've happened since this channel hasn't seen any activity in 4 months and I don't have Twitter.

Something new with Melee everytime, from a completely new combo (like what Armada did to leffen that one time) to a new historical event in Melee, for a 2-decade year old game it's surprising how new it gets.

Let's hope it stays at the one Pichu player.

If I was to do something like this, I wouldn't even buff anyone specifically. I'd just jank up the game a little and make people think the game was just bugging

This may be true, for larger tournaments at least. But for smaller tournaments or locals without pools or anything, especially those where people find their own matches, it is more likely to be an issue, and while thousands of dollars won't be on the line, there is still money to be won or lost. I think the reason there hasn't been another case is because either nobody who would be willing to cheat knows how to not get caught and they don't want to risk being banned, or this has happened more in isolated incidents that people don't talk about or maybe didn't even realize at the time. The point is, people still need to be careful and have a solution in mind, just in case.

Guess I’ll head back to the lab again to find a better method...

There are cases where people could cheat without it being immideatly noticeable. If anyone remembers 0.9x knockback incident, it's not completely unlikely for someone to modify a setup in such a slight way where it wasn't immideatly noticeable

Do you know where he went?

@@runic3338 He posted a video teaser some time ago but not much has been heard from him otherwise.

Boy do I have some news for you

@@shromp2034 Yeah I saw the new video. Worth the wait.

I know it's happened in MTG once or twice. There's a couple people with lifetime bans from all organized tournaments because of assaulting either other attendees, or tournament staff.

If people can stab each other over playing cards or painted plastic (or resin... or... *shudders* finecast) figurines, they can start doing the same over a video game.

@Agamemnon2 Better than Jeremy who got lifetime banned for helping expose pedos.

I mean wasn't there that one Brawl money match against an ice climber main, who got out of chain grabs by repeatedly screaming in the guy's ear?

@@Saltyoven In his ear* move your ear then it ain’t hard to wobble

Unfortunately, if I read this correctly, master hand can only be played by player 3 so sadly two players can't both be the hand.

@@lily_littleangel This makes me wonder, is it possible for one player to be Master Hand and another player to be Crazy Hand?

@@Kapenguin448 Using a Pro Action Replay, it is possible to allow Players to play as Both Master hand, and Crazy Hand, yes. And like Master Hand; Crazy Hand is fully actionable. In Addition; some moves cause Master Hand to produce Sparks, and freeze. This is actually the trigger for Crazy Hand to do a dual tech, and if he uses the same ability that Master Hand did to generate the sparks; he will use the Dual Tech with him (Either the Double Clap, Double Punch, or Knuckleduster). Currently, there is no known legit way to unlock Crazy Hand. The Master Hand method is a glitch caused by proceeding to the selection screen without picking a character; which then selects a default value in the code, which happens to be Master Hand. Perhaps one day, someone will figure out a way to trigger Crazy Hand the same way.

​@@Kohchuthe Crazy Hand is real!

i miss you daddy luvdix

Oh so he does exist still

Whats good ludvix?

Wait? You're alive?

We miss you. We love you dad.

Hi omni

lay yourself omni

yeah dude this is exactly what I was thinking (: I'm the same, never got into smash but I always love well-crafted media made by someone who clearly cares deeply for whatever interest it is

What kind of weirdo watches videos where they don't care about the subject? You are strange, but certainly there is content out there that is better for your strange tendencies.

@@Kyoko_ what a silly thing to say. how do you find new things? how does your taste evolve? You’re the strange one, big fella

Considering it's only possible with a glitch, I'm guessing the controls were probably implemented for testing during development and were just left in because it was supposed to be inaccessible anyway. Iirc if you have no character selected when a match starts it uses id 0 which is master hand

Turns out Armada also had a stand-in playing that match for him cause he was too busy grinding for 70 star PBs instead. They just replayed the match later.

also b0nd played for n0ne and scorpion marster played for mang0

hungrybox was in need of a major comeback

I have nothing witty to add but Dante your icon is godlike LMAO

jman2050 Context?

In that case he probably wouldn't have won, though. Pichu is a terrible character.

Sadly it wouldn't have been enough. Pichu is THAT bad

exactly

go pichu, and zap to the extreme

He was just that bad

Huh, so how does being a TO Work, really? Also, A Positive record against Super Pichu, that's really good.

@@thegreenitalianmachine5411 that's a pretty big question, there are a lot of different aspects to TOing. Running smaller weeklies and stuff is pretty self explanatory, but with bigger events you need to devote a lot more focus into advertisement and figuring out how to get your community interested.

@Stevean2 If the players fall for it, what can the TO do, drag them in?

@@KopperNeoman He's talking about COVID, I'm sorry to say.

Bless you

Hey, it's that guy!

@@magneticflux- (he made all known deaths on icarly)

The Ultimate iceberg

That cheater's name? Albert Einstein.

Implying Nintendo likes either the Melee community or People who make mods

Wow

Lmao super pichu 🤣

Know anything about it? What was this dude’s motive lol

@@memenazi7078 he was probably trolling

@@memenazi7078 Mental & family issues, used the game as an escape

Why you gotta do us like that :(

Can someone explain?

@@windy2478 it’s a reference to his last video iirc

I'm a big proponent of the slapping-controller-out-of-hand technique.

I beat them up in the game if they piss me off in real life. If I like them, I spam grabs so I can hug them to death. Too bad snake isn't in Melee.

And the end of the day, Smash is a variation of sports, and real life sports can get physical. You have someone right next to you you're trying to beat, and we're human. Emotions can get the better of us. Point being, I'm a bit surprised there haven't been more instances of physical assault at a Smash tournament.

Can't lose to your opponent if you Epstein them with the controller cord

@@nahor88 the fear

Bold of you to assume VAC actually works

"imagine your hacks being so bad that Vac detects them" This post was made by MYGOT gang

bot rolled

Hahhaha guys please laugh I'm making a source reference lmaoooo XD engineer gaming

@@nuulcoolpro and what did ya wanted me to make? a Easy Anti-cheat reference??

Master Hnad

Master Hnad

Hnad

Master Hnad

ZA HANDO

Why the fuck you llllyyyyyin (IDC If it's ded)

ok

I dont cheat either. Im just not good

He isn't cheating. He just have a really good gaming chair.

I cheat. Im just *that* bad.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GChcjSvTtWE.html using freeze glitch on your own teammate to edgeguard Fox Not only for offense, it's for defense too!

ICs freeze glitch was patched in latest melee patch, while wavedashing was not

Wait there are people that consider it a glitch?? Wave-dashing is definitely just an exploit as it's using an intended feature (directional dodging) an in unintended way (directional dodging towards the ground to keep you moment without any lag)

@@mangaprofilepicture5820 sweet summer child

@@YounesLayachi why would you patch something thats not a glitch lmao

I've seen this video a good couple of times, and I've never noticed that once. I guess the editing is so good I just didn't see it.

Doesn't most tourneys use a custom build of PM anyways?

@@jakedadoge1820 Exactly, modifications to the PSAs themselves rather than to costumes.

@@ChainChomp Does the "Check the framedata" forbid characters like Scott Pilgrim over Lucas and/or Cloud over Ike?

@@ERRORDownBad If those aren't costumes, then IDK how could you sneak that.

Going to PM tournaments with custom mods is completely normal tho

He's still here! Idk if you'll see this Asumsaus but your an amazing RU-vid channel

@@jdp7938 yeah man I can't believe he liked my comment so quickly after lol. just wanted to show some support its nice he saw it

@@pasta-and-heroin indeed

Ikr were so blessed to have such amazing content creators

sorry bout yer jets this year, pad

all I know is pain@@cheesewizz_

It was actually the Sly 4 song "I smell a rat". Still awesome regardless

@@charKT-7461 by that standward would that song be based on Venice Espionage? Sounds exactly the same. Lol

Melee is sick and super fun to get into, I highly recommend it.

He's back!

Melee from my knowledge is the only game in the FGC where it was the same top players winning for years. Something about Melee was always fishy to me especially with a Pikachu main winning a major then soon after a Yoshi player winning one as well.

i could believe this. ive actually been worried about iso modding for a while lol

imgur.com/a/dfTwJem

Dudes just vibing

😀

I message him over patreon and nothing... RU-vid comments: real shit lol

@@petephelp971 it worked tho.

Yeah I guess but just one guy at a local in the almost 20 years this game has been out with no way to cheat online other than lag switchs is pretty solid. I pretty much only play smash and its crazy to me that pretty much every prodigy in non fighting games gets accused of being a cheater for the first year of there competitive life. You cant even stream snipe or anything because they see the same thing as you. Some times I'm really thankful I got into Melee expectually with roll back online now. You dont have to worry about a troll ruining the experience for like 10 people at a time.

@@zzzlucid_dreams7560 That actually surprised me that there are very little cases of actual cheating in Melee’s tournament history and only one worthy of mentioning! Even the “wobbling” and “Luigi ladder” exploit shouldn’t be classified as “cheating” because they are in-game exploits and only counted as such by tournament rule-makers.

I tried to but all he offered was 62 cents

I sold my soul to the devil without even knowing what im gonna get

@@TheWorldsLargestOven lootboxes really are getting insane

@@santinocorbo8938 everybody here has watched the video you know

Best one!

check his Twitter