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China's Tianlong-2 Rocket to Attempt Launch 

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After the failure of Landspace's Zhuque-2 in December 2022, the spot for China's first commercial liquid-fueled rocket to reach orbit is still open. And another (rather unknown) Chinese company, Space Pioneer (aka 天兵科技) is going to give it a shot, using its Tianlong-2 medium-lift kerolox-fueled rocket. Let's break down what this company and rocket are about in this 5-min deep dive!
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00:00 Introduction
00:24 Background on the CEO, Kang Yonglai
00:51 Space Pioneer's Tianlong-2 rocket
02:20 Is it reusable?
03:31 Fueling with tanker trucks!
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Credits for various visuals: Space Pioneer, CASC, Landspace, Deep Blue Aerospace, Galactic Energy, iSpace, AALPT.

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Комментарии : 58   
@zeyuli5470
@zeyuli5470 Год назад
Space Pinoneer seems come out of nowhere suddenly. Surprisingly they already have a liquid rocket ready to launch and two in-house developed engines. Now they finally revealed they were going to use YF-102 engines, which cannot let me guess their relationship with AALPT. But anyway, it seems they will develop a Falcon 9 clone that mostly matched its capabilites.
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
Their choice of propulsion has always been murky... Initially the company was all about using HCP "green" monopropellant engines (the Tianhuo-1, 2, 3), but we stopped hearing about that around 2020 when they started talking about their Tianhuo-11 kerolox engines. The use of 3rd party engines (YF-102) also came as a surprise to me, as the Tianhuo-11 seems capable, at least on paper.
@johannesgutsmiedl366
@johannesgutsmiedl366 Год назад
@@DongfangHour It is pretty interesting that they developed an in house staged combustion engine but are buying in a larger but much simpler gas generator one... could mean they're not so confident on their own design just yet and want to at least ensure successful first stage flight while accepting higher risk of actually getting to orbit, pretty much all rocket startups have had second stage failures on their first flights after all
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
Fully agree Johannes. And I think that as these companies are still living on investor money to a large extent, getting to orbit successfully early is probably more a priority than anything else (hence the YF-102). iSpace was rumored to have lost the confidence of many investors after the 3rd consecutive failed launch of their Hyperbola-1.
@aaabbb-py5xd
@aaabbb-py5xd Год назад
You said, "which cannot let me guess their relationship with AALPT". Your broken english notwithstanding, if you still count yourself Chinese, then you should stop "contributing" information of any kind to foreign platforms. Your need for attention and your sense of self-worth should not depend on any foreign recognition, especially when singing like you just did can be damaging to Chinese programs. For example, you're simply broadcasting information that the USA will use to determine whom to sanction next. Please be less dumb and actually do something useful for China. (Edit: AALPT is mentioned in the video, but the attitude you expressed remains much beyond suspect)
@sarahkhan2310
@sarahkhan2310 Год назад
China's space development is amazingly impressive. The world will benefit from these development. Keep up the superb work 👍
@raideepu4
@raideepu4 Год назад
Thanks for keeping us updated about Chinese space programs.
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
You’re very welcome 🙂
@banerda2334
@banerda2334 Год назад
Succeed
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
Indeed! 👏
@Ronolein
@Ronolein Год назад
Wirklich hoch interessant mal wieder. Allerbeste Grüße aus dem fernen Germany!
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
Many thanks! Greetings to you as well!
@hongqingxiang3374
@hongqingxiang3374 Год назад
🙏Thank you for the updates🙏👍🙏
@phatlu5892
@phatlu5892 Год назад
Thanks for providing a detail make or break launch of a Chinese private company. It Might be competing SpaceX.
@cdemr
@cdemr Год назад
Space Pioneer can still become the second company to land an orbital rocket stage. 8 years since SpaceX pioneered it yet the second place is still vacant.
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
It's interesting how the second place is still vacant to this day 🤔 Space is hard...
@thorin1045
@thorin1045 10 месяцев назад
considering the price difference is still 50 million for the reusable launch and 60 million for the expanded launch, it is still a big question if it is really worth the investment and effort. and technically usa and ussr already land an orbital rocket stage (shuttle and buran), so only the fourth place is open, if we do not consider the x-15 a separate entry. (ok, the buran can be considered just a payload, if you want to be even more pedantic.)
@kumbackquatsta
@kumbackquatsta Год назад
very exciting times ahead. look forward to more renewed dfr content on chinese commericial space again
@Salaci
@Salaci Год назад
More competition is always better
@jukio02
@jukio02 Год назад
Hopefully, China can start using reusable rockets this decade. They said that CASC is suppose to start testing reusable rockets in 2026, and then start using them in 2029. I hope that happens.
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
I’m convinced commercial companies will operate reusable rockets before CASC. VTVL seems to be a high priority for companies like iSpace and Deep Blue Aerospace, which have been working with their own “hopper” single stage rockets to refine this technology.
@AerialWaviator
@AerialWaviator Год назад
There will be a number of commercial Chinese companies attempt a launch in 2023. Which will be first to successfully reach orbit remains unknown. Why the content on this channel so exciting and critical to understanding events as the year unfolds. Using liquid fuel vs. solid fuel would allow for much higher launch cadence, even if not reusable. Logistics much easier, particularly for transportation from manufacturing to the launch site. Both from the perspective that empty liquid stage is much lighter to move, and is not a transportation hazard (not fuel, like a solid stage would be). The reusability question is a great question. With the initial Tianlong-2 first stage having 3 main engines (YF-102) it would never be reusable, as all engines are too far off of the stages centreline. To date, the SpaceX Falcon9 and other prototypes have all completed final landing burn using just a single engine (deep throttled) to minimum thrust level. eg: Falcon9 uses 9 engines on launch, but on 1 (deep throttled) on landing burn (ie: ~10% or less of launch thrust). Thus a derivative of Tianlong-2's first stage using 7 engines (Tianhuo-11) is much more likely to be reusable. Another possible reusable configuration could use 5 YF-102 engines on a larger diameter first stage. This a hypothetical as no rumours exist, just that 5, 7, or 9 are more suitable engine configurations. The use of YF-102 (3x) vs Tianhuo-11 (7x) initially could be for risk reduction, and production availability. Using off-the-shelf engines (YF-102) initially is a smarter commercial move, as enables shorter timeline to flight, and opens opportunities for paying customers to help fund development, upgrades. It also enables the Space Pioneer team to gain valuable launch experience. In aerospace having real flight data is way more valuable than simulations, or ground testing.
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
Well said! I’d also note that on the original video of the YF-102 released by AALPT in 2021, a rocket with a cluster of 5 YF-102 engines on the first stage is shown. It seems quite possible that another rocket company (not necessarily Space Pioneer, who probably want to use their own engines in the long run) could adopt this architecture.
@longyou8254
@longyou8254 Год назад
Certainly hoping the Tianbing become the #1. And let others follow, including the 4 major competitors
@picandvideo
@picandvideo Год назад
It’s like a game of Mahjong 🤔
@MaryJones-fs4wf
@MaryJones-fs4wf Год назад
handsom dude!
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
😂
@ubermenschen3636
@ubermenschen3636 Год назад
The first is not always the perennial winner. Hare v turtle.
@mk1carpenter211
@mk1carpenter211 Год назад
Will you make a video about JAXA H3?
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
Hmmm I haven’t done anything on non-Chinese rockets so far, but this sounds like a good idea
@tong.clement
@tong.clement Год назад
can they drive it to Hong Kong SAR and launch here lol - that would really boost the interest in STEAM here - we are quite south down (relatively) so more performance can be squeezed out of the rocket without the hassle of getting onto a boat to Hainan - I am sure we can try to persuade the gov to arrange some subsidies lol
@chupin8411
@chupin8411 Год назад
香港应该没有合适和足够大的场地发射火箭吧,再说香港上空的飞机航线太过繁忙不方便发射火箭
@tong.clement
@tong.clement Год назад
@@chupin8411 哈哈是的-但要吸引我們留在香港/吸引到外國修讀工程的人才會來,這可能是最好的辦法(我自己是香港的中學生)。
@tong.clement
@tong.clement Год назад
@@chupin8411 香港以東有機會可以?,不過的確只能限於特定的軌道,要避開大亞灣核電廠,深圳和廈門那邊的海岸。polar orbit 可能就不適合了。
@tong.clement
@tong.clement Год назад
@@chupin8411 以南如果我們能借用一些島嶼也好 - 有些較大的島嶼,不過有些不在香港範圍,需要中央政府租借。
@widmermt
@widmermt Год назад
Are they still working on Tianlong-1, or does Tianlong-2 supercede those efforts?
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
I don’t think there is a Tianlong-1 anymore. Their website now talks exclusively about the Tianlong-2, and the heavier Tianlong-3 series…
@ubermenschen3636
@ubermenschen3636 Год назад
@0:18, Google translation is not space pioneer, but space soldier technology.
@chupin8411
@chupin8411 Год назад
A same chinese character can have lots of different meanings.It's commen to have differences in translating.
@jeffreyschweitzer8289
@jeffreyschweitzer8289 Год назад
Good design and engineering only help so much with these startups. I suppose it is largely a matter of how much financial backing they have (how many failures they can afford) and includes a great deal of unpredictable luck…Probably a bit of 关系 helps too…
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
I fully agree with you Jeffrey. In this regard, I think Space Pioneer is interesting due to 1) the fact that it seems to want to get orbit quickly, without too many of the bells and whistles (reusability) and by using off-the-shelf engines. The rest can come later. 2) Secondly it also has quite a significant runway, as the company claims it has just closed B+ and pre-C rounds of funding. The amounts were undisclosed but Space Pioneer claims it has now raised ~3 billion RMB of 10-ish rounds of funding. If true, this easily puts it on par with the other well-funded Chinese launch companies (Landspace, iSpace, Galactic Energy). Let's see how their maiden launch goes in a couple of weeks.
@twlamSG
@twlamSG Год назад
@@DongfangHour Wish I have the money to invest in this company. Looks promising.
@twlamSG
@twlamSG Год назад
I think Space Pioneer may have a good chance.
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
And if they succeed, what will make it all the more impressive is that the company was founded in 2019 👀
@twlamSG
@twlamSG Год назад
@@DongfangHour They succeeded..
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
Indeed! 👏👏👏
@KehindeOlalekan
@KehindeOlalekan Год назад
Galactic will likely be the first
@SuperADI2
@SuperADI2 Год назад
Wwwoooohhhooo you name 4 independent company in civil sector uuuhhh is equal to what USA have now in the private aerospace industry
@alcoyne3333333333333
@alcoyne3333333333333 Год назад
Of course they can . Do people not realise most technology is made in China.
@TineFangaming
@TineFangaming Год назад
Is it non government rocket?
@DongfangHour
@DongfangHour Год назад
non-government rocket, but with some parts purchased from state-owned enterprises. And some financial support from local governments (notably Suzhou), which are keen on attracting high-tech companies.
@user-ug4yr8er9g
@user-ug4yr8er9g 3 месяца назад
КНР впереди планеты всей 🇨🇳❤🇨🇳❤🇨🇳❤🇨🇳❤🇨🇳❤
@ronsimpson8666
@ronsimpson8666 Год назад
It takes a GREAT cgi studio... And a place to safely land downrange... Quick answer? Nothing goes to "space" ❤️✌️
@tankourito5419
@tankourito5419 Год назад
Urgh
@davidli5115
@davidli5115 Год назад
Does bear shit in the woods ?
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