A camshaft is the brain of the engine. Pick the right one you'll be happy or pick the wrong one you'll be pissed. Been there done that. If it's a street car smaller cam are better. Don't give up your low end torque to gain up top. Like I tell people. My 496 made all its power under 6,000 rpms. It peaked at 561hp at 5,700 and at 4,200 made 585tq. Flat torque curb is what you want especially for a land yacht.
So tell me exactly what to buy lol but im actually serious...send me a parts list im new to the car game i have a 2019 scatpack got some money to burn and was thinking on a cam
I finally get it. The 6.4 and 5.7 hemi were made to enjoy the motor stock. Great low end throttle response for fun car that you can daily or weekend. Yes there isnt much you can do to the motor to add serious power without getting forged internals. Dodge realized this issue, thats why they produced the Hellcat. Simply put if u want real power and can afford it, get a hellcat. If you want real power and cant afford a hellcat get a coyote or LS and mod it up over time. Yes i have a 6.4, but my next car will 100% be a chevy
I was really considering a cam for my 6.4 until I heard this. I don't want the "laziness down low". I want that low-end torque with that immediate throttle response. What to do, what to do? 🤔
Agreed...coming from the fox platform and the lettered cams E, B, F, X, Z ford basically tells you what’s best for your car with what modification will maximize this part. This is where Mopar performance falls way short with absolutely zero factory performance parts other than replacement motors. Rant over lol.
Good info Brian. I've noticed a lot of people get tunnel vision when it comes to cams in the Mopars. First thing they think...Comp 274...chops hard, big lift numbers, so it has to make the most power. They don't think about the tuning and drivability of the cam, and I know the 274 is a PITA for tuners to get right. I did my homework, and went with the MMX NSR lope 4 profile for my build. Cars with that cam have reliably made 480-500 rwhp, with some cracking 510-520. I also agree on the MDS delete...if you are going to get rid of MDS, do it the right way and buy all new Hellcat lifters. Just as sure as you only replace the MDS lifters, one of the original non MDS units will fail. Then you are stuck with doing a teardown/inspect to make sure no metal from the cam/lifter got into the bearings..$$$. I also went with the Comp hardened pushrods as a precaution. Stock stuff is decent enough, but better safe than sorry. Block is finally done, and should start going together this week. Oh, and joined the Ram 1500 club....traded my '03 2500 for a 2011 QC 5.7/auto. Time for truck mods....lol.
What do you mean "just as sure you only replace the MDS lifters"? Dont you replace all the orginal lifter with all new hellcat lifters? That didnt make sense to me.
@@granite345rt6 I think what they mean is that if that if you only replace the MDS lifters, the other stock lifters will surely break. The advice is to replace all lifters with Hellcat ones.
Yep, my 60 foot sucks now... I did a big mmx cam, but I have new top end power, my 1/4 mile trap mph is up. I guess I need to do the stall now before I go back to the track.
V6 pentastar cam shafts? Yo I've searched everywhere and can't find the cfm on the stock heads.. I saw somewhere 460.. That's insane is that right??? Love your channel. I could sit and watch you talk about hemi for hours and I'm a v6 guy.. The v6 is just so damn good.. You're right when you say that it would ruin the hemi sales if they twin turbo that thing.. Just the vtec steals my heart when I rev out those 305 bald eagles. I would be honored if you would give me your personal opinion. I would shit myself if you did a video on this. Maybe you already went more in depth, link?
Thank you for the kind words! Typical cylinder head flow for modern V6 engines will check in somewhere around 270 CFM give or take. I'm not sure on the camshafts for the V6, although I'm sure if there were demand Comp Cams may sell a set. I did a video on the V6 although it's been forever ago. I actually like them. Quite honestly I'm surprised that there isn't a larger following for that car. I think a turbo setup on a V6 would be a riot. Although durability concerns May squash that.
What's your opinion on the 392 cam? Manual version makes more possible power with MDS delete, from what I've read it's a literal drop in part for the 5.7 hemi that needs to be tuned. Obviously new springs / pushrods / lifters would be swapped at the same time but it apparently doesn't need cam phasers.
rocketbunny1314 Idk I mean a ls3 usually doesn't pick up more than 50whp with a cam and lt1s ive seen pick up 65whp. Hemis aren't far off since people are making 75 to 90 crank with a 274 comp cam in the 6.4s.
Very true Professor 《☆》I'm sure all newer Mopar owners would enjoy a lopier idle if it didn't mean sacrificing many attributes that they love about their cars. With all the technology available these days You would think they could engineer a Cam button for when Your sitting at traffic lights & want the driver in the other lane to hear the baddass loping ☻
Awesome 👏 great video. I enjoy these 6.4 hemi recommendations. Keep them coming. Off topic what about Ignition mods. Like MSD coil packs?Are they worth the money?
That’s interesting on getting hellcat lifters instead of non MDS delete kit, curious why? Thanks Oh and also I was planning on going with (after yearssss of researching) the “big daddy cam” by OST Dyno. I absolutely love the sound of the cam at idle, and there “HCI” (porting heads, cam, ported intake manifold) shows to gain 100 HP which would be a plus, I would probably upgrade the torque converter too like they recommend, any thoughts on all that? And I plan on supercharging it eventually in 2-3 years...I’m slowly building her lol
I like to run a full, NEW, set of lifters on any cam install. Just best practices. As for that cam, I cant really speak to it as I have no experience with it at all. It sounds good from the clip, though.
jamolamo999 sorry, I noticed I didnt answer the first question. Without getting too technical, the MDS lifters are heavier and more prone to breaking than the non MDS lifters. The hellcats and manual trans 392's come with mom MDS lifters.
Hey B Mason. Check out a video on Tapped Performance. He installed a Comp 274 cam and in the video he goes over the dyno sheet and talkes about a lot of the things you brought up in this video.
Want one that can produce decent numbers get a good sound and keep or improve a little bit on the low end on a street car. Would love to get close to 400
The man with the knowledge! I take notes on every video. In my effort to not buy parts twice, I have a couple questions. I am planning a forged lower 426 stroker and a Vortech supercharger/ or twin turbo end game to keep the Shaker. When you said Hellcat lifters, that would apply here I take it or because I'm looking for about 800whp would I need to go to a different upgraded lifter? And as far as "upgraded pushrods and springs", what is the recommendation there manufacturer wise?
Good info, but one thing you keep not mentioning about the bigger camshafts moving power higher in the rpm range is that every tuner will tell you you will need a bigger stall converter say 3k-4K stall and taller gear so you will not notice a drive ability issue or a loss in low end if you do it all together. Yea if you just throw a big cam in and nothing else it’ll be a turd out the hole but that’s also not the correct way to do a build.
Agree with that, and I'll take you to step farther for most guys, a larger stall converter is not the way to go because of the Driving Experience of the car. You really do have to tailor the build to the owner. It was my car I don't mind, I'm used to lose converters and it's not that big of an issue for me. But it is true you do have to move that power up and when you're moving that power up and you soften the tip in throttle response and you loosen up the converter the car feels a bit sluggish even with that Combination. It's great for when you roll into the throttle but it can suck otherwise. Again, the bill has to be tailored to the owner.
I know the Edelbrock is heavy and it’s a Knogo but wasn’t sure if the 6.1 and the 392 intake hook up better for 22 more horsepower instead of 10 by just putting it
With today’s high performance cars, if you want good street manners, ported heads and a supercharger is going to be in your favor. Yes it’s expensive but very effective and you can drive it everyday. I have a 2001 cobra and with a stock cam some head work and a blower, I make 532 at the wheels and I can run the AC sitting in traffic all day. And when I take it to the track, I run in the high 10’s low 11’s and I drive it home. I also have a 87 pick Chevy pickup with a big cam. It sounds cool as hell. My power doesn’t come on until 3500RPM, but when it does it hits hard all the way to 6800. But it drives like shit on the street
Inwill need to know a couple of things.... How much nitrous? What transmission? Torque Converter? Vehicle weight? Displacement? What intake? what exhaust? What gear? Drag race or street? Fuel? Compression?
Hey B bahi from San Diego so I think we touched on this but like to ask again I’m so much more knowledgeable about the motor in the Mopar community on Mars now through you that I’m so grateful thanks a lot so I decided I don’t want to do a cam because I do not like that the lag in the beginning I like throttle response so while I’m saving up for my 392 I like to throw on my fast fast man throttlebody but my question is should I still get the intake manifold ported or order a 61 manifold or 392 and do they were good or should I just do the stock because I heard you say stock parts on the Emmys are a lot better than aftermarket parts and I know for sure the arrow block is a Knogo
Fantastic information. I did the stage 1,2, and 3 last time. It was fine for me, but I really felt the tune was really mild. I got rid of it. Got a charger. Dod the stage 1, very unhappy with that. Also bought another 15 RT Sublime Green. Color I wanted first time. So, I am ready for more performance. I about to purchase the Diablo Trinity 2 platinum. I already have some srt headers and high flo cats. My big thing is, I just saw that cam advertised. Comp Thumpr 201-700-17 that said no spring change required. Just a phase limiter. I am not looking for crazy additional power, some more power for the mid and higher bands and maybe some chop. What do you think about that cam if you are familiar with it?
update , just put a 6.4 cam in my 5.7 along with some shorties , valve springs pcm retuned ,dialed in my WOT fuel with my wide band to 12.7 across all ranges added 1 deg of spark no knock to speak of.. night and day difference over 4k .revs easily up to 67k now . pulls very hard up to 65k . lost nothing below 4k . vvt still in full operation and still 27 mpg on x way. the entire job cost 1700. did it all myself (except base tune) 6.4 cam, new updated lifters ,mopar performance valve springs. bbk shorties. kept my stock spring retainers,rods and keepers. . guessing gained about 60 RWH. no dyno to back that .but i knocked off about .75 0-60 ,i averaged around 4.5 0-60 ,old cam now a its around 3.9 sec. 6m 392 rear end, 18" rims . too funny the crazy money people spent for a cam job . guys go way overboard with over priced springs ,rods retainers ,cam ect... to get about the same gains as what i did . for substantially less .to me a 6.4 cam in a 5.7 gives you th most bang for your buck ! easy to tune ,fuel economy no power loss down low smooth idle ,0 Drivability issues full function VVT operation.
fas yea there’s a guy here check him out OMGITSMRMACK he did some dyno runs on three different cars once with a 270 cam and one with a 6.4 cam accosting to his data the 6.4 cam got the most gains. Where did U get the cam and what was ur list or parts needed ?
Great info as usual👍 I was looking at a cam for my 392 srt, watched a vid from Racer X and he has a friend Rob with a beautiful white srt charger 392 that has a wait for it... a B Mason custom cam🤙 I’m after the exact custom cam, I’d appreciate it so much if you can help me with my build.
That exact cam can be found with Peitz Performance. I have a very similar cam with Doc Differential (Sniper Cam) . Both are great cams. Subtitle to no lope and make power everywhere. Not "set to kill" very drivable. It is one of my favorite grinds of all my cams.
I’m having lifters, pushrods and springs installed. Trying to figure out the best setup for this 6.4L. Just wanted to get your opinion on which NSR Cam you would go with from MMX? (Which you mentioned in this video) Thanks Much
Good video sir! Yes, the intake is the under-developed piece to the 6.4. The airflow Engineer at SRT told me there was no budget at the time the 6.4 was designed. The intake is a 5.7 truck design(no shit) with the offset throttle body location. He believes 20-30 horsepower is possible with a revised design. Question, do you know the shim size for the valve springs and can you recommend a spring for the 270 Comp in the 6.4? Comp Cams tech says no spring recommended!? Peace
B Mason. So all that makes sense I have a 16 charger r/t is my daily driving car. Now having said that, I want to add some hp I’m not planning on doing any drag racing or anything like that I just want to have some more ponies just in case lol. Kinda like the condom theory rather have and not need it than need it and no have it. So what cam set up or kits will you recommend for my 5.7 ?
What about my 6.1 in my '10 SRT Challenger 6 Speed, I'm looking at the Inertia Srt Max Plus, as of now only mods are Lmi stage 2 intake, SLP LM1 exhaust, and Diablo i2 tuner running the 93 canned tune
So when talking about intake manifolds what is your opinion on fitting a 6.1L intake manifold on the 392 in comparison with the new edelbrock Victor 2? I know the ported 6.1 manifold is crazy expensive but in terms of performance I have no idea about any differences there might be between the two
I have to listen to Brian's advice , cos I purchased a 6.4L 392, I'm in England near London UK great Headturner here imported from Texas 1 Question Brian ... What is The Best Exhuast system for our car, Borla, Flowmaster, Magnaflow etc replies much appreciated guys I don't need that Hellcat , do I 😂🤣😅😎
Leave it stock if performance is the only goal. If the sound is the primary goal driver, I like the Magnaflow systems. Flow master is a no go for me with these cars.
I just bought a Melling (mc1402)cam shaft, but days later I received my new liftersJohnson (2356) which much to my Schagrin are non MDS I was trying to keep my 2018 pursuit charger stock but now I have a MDS cam :Question can the non MDS lifters work on a MSD grind cam?I know I will have to get my ECM unlocked and put bung plugs in to replace the solenoids but I can’t see any reason for this stock cam to not work properly with the Johnson lifter,great video,Thanks.
Mopar at 1 time sold a kit that eliminated the lifters for MDS and included plugs as well. Be careful with the Johnson lifters, make sure you measure pushrod lengrh
I've heard of guys getting nominal gains out of that cam. But quoting Dyno number is doesn't really do a whole lot for me. Every Dino is different, and for that matter the same dyno can read differently at different times of day. (Uncorrected numbers vs corrected) The real test is, what does it run in the quarter mile before and after?. What other mods? Did the car have a tune beforehand? Did it have long tubes beforehand? The 392 cam isn't bad, it just has a very wide lobe separation angle. This kills mid-range and pushes power out to the right of the Curve. The advantage is that it has over the 57 is that it has more duration in more lift. Think of it as an in-between gain over an aftermarket cam. Pair it with a 6.4 intake manifold for best results. With all that being said, if you plan on running a positive displacement supercharger, the stock 392 cam is a very good choice
The issue that I have is that I cannot find any data that is reliable on this intake. Nobody has back-to-back Dyno tested it and more importantly back-to-back dragstrip tested it. If they have, I can't find it. And the cost of it does not allow for easy testing. What has been said about that intake is that it is more or less the 6.1 liter intake with slightly larger runners. That doesn't bode well for performance by comparison to the duel Runner setup on the 6.4. We have you sit on stroker combinations, and it did not disappoint, but it didn't blow anybody away either. Acting basically like a customary intake manifold
@@walterbrown9651 no, I would not give them that much credit . with the tune 15 foot pounds of tq. Peak horsepower Maybe 15? Twerk will be up across-the-board though, don't waste your time with short tube headers
@@bmasontv thanks! I thought those claims were overly enthusiastic. What have you seen with porting the Eagle heads? I appreciate you getting back with me! my Challenger is a 6sp. Just want to spend my $ on what will make a difference!
Hey B mason i just wanted to have a cam that made sound I’m not looking deep into big horsepower. Someone recommended me to do a Texas speed cam in my 6.4 charger Any ideas?
Any of the larger Gen. 3 Emmy camps will give you the sound you're looking for. Just make sure you have somebody that can tune that combination. Otherwise it's gonna be a nightmare to live with
So I’m wanting to put a cam in my 2016 5.7 for throttle response and sound. I know nothing about it at all. What should I get and what should I replace? If you could help that would be awesome
whats up man maybe you can help me out im currently looking at going with a jay greene 230/236 cam and a ported intake with a fastman 88mm TB for my 6.4 what are your opinions for this
Opinions aside my first observation is that drivability is not something that you're looking for in this combination. That cam is going to want RPM. Without knowing the balance of the specifications, intake Centerline and lobe separation angle, I can only guess as to the tunability and driveability that it will offer. The intake manifold will not flow at the throat what an 88 can offer. It will need extensive work to get even close. The largest I typically suggest is 85 mm. Let me know how it works out
As far as being a necessity, no. The car does just fine stock. However a Trans Tune is where you will notice the greatest improvements in performance, primarily in daily driving. The car will simply be more lively.
The guys over at peak speed did a dyno with a ported manifold and 90mm TB and found an increase in 18 peak rwhp and 26 peak rwtq. For around 1k I think those are very good gains. However, that was on a pre 2013 challenger I don't know how the new ones would dyno with an 88mm TB
great info, i have a 09 R/T 6m, 3.92 rear end with 18" rims ,it winds up quick , starting to get a lifter tick (90k) so digging in,im going with a 6.4 cam some hellcat lifters and mopar performance valve springs (P5160074). retainers and rods should be fine. as mine are fairly new and same as 6.4. some bbk shorties and may port my intake along with a tune retaining the vvt operation. not looking for major hp gains hopefully about 40-50 at the crank. shes got some miles on her but oil pres is a solid 45psi at engine temp of 190. what are your thoughts ? i also here that the 6.4 cam in a 5.7 is very easy to tune .i do have a wideband o2 that should make the tune easy to tweak, right now i have her dialed in at 4.3 0-60 .12.8 AFR wot. thanks for any input.
thanks ,i think it will, you know anything about those mopar performance springs ? the set is about $200, but i read somewhere that its a kit put together , and that you can buy the springs individually at about $5 a spring . part number i got was 68277306AA but cant find anything more on them ?? do you have any connections that can clarify on that ? thanks man.
@@392__SMOKE the comment you're referencing was a comment based off of a question about another camshaft specifierfrom over a year ago. I am working more closely with Doctor differential with my newer cam grinds. I have put camshafts together for both peitz and Doctor differential. Most recently doctor differential
First place to start is set a goal. Do you want good drivability with a power bump, or all-out performance? Both require completely different approaches. Be honest with yourself here, Next, you need to find a reputable shop in your area that used to working with Mopars. Tuning is going to be extremely important.
@@Bill-bi7sk Dynojet or Mustang dyno numbers? Also, you got to be clear with what you define as drivable, drivability is extremely subjective. It will take long tube headers, and a fairly healthy cam to get you anywhere near those numbers, even on a Dynojet. Contact doctor differential in Groves Texas. They can help you get started on your journey.
@@bmasontvI was looking at the stage 2 but I want more low end power as I won’t be doing a torque converter for a while, I have the 6.1 also, would a stage 1 cam be a better choice than stage 2 for low end power?
One thing about inertia Motorsports is it they seem to be fairly honest with their claims of power games. At this stage of the game, most of the cam profiles have pretty well been worked out as far as what works, what's tunable, and what's daily drivable, livable, I think you get the idea. All the cams are pretty good.
@@bmasontv Thanks for the feedback! I recently purchased their SRT Max plus for my 6.1. They've been pretty upfront and I am not looking for a drag car, just a little more for the street. Can't wait for the install, thanks again brother!
I really don't have an opinion on those heads. As far as ported any heads, I'm used Hooper's Heads here in Houston. He has an awesome CNC program for Gen 3 Hemi heads.
B Mason Lived in central TX for seven years ago. Lots talented shops for Mopar and GM. Any thoughts on the new HRT cams and lifters? Their “stage 1” seems all benefits with no downside. Their down charts seem odd with the stock cam.
@@392__SMOKE I have put cams together for both doctor differential and Peitz performance. It's all going to depend on what you're looking for as far as what the grind will shape up like. As far as MMX intake manifolds. Their Runners look great but where they lack is in the throat area on a 392. That's where a lot of, if not most of, the gains are found. I do quite a few manifolds for Doc Diff. Coupled with an 84 or 85 mm throttle body, that will help to get the most out of that intake manifold. Think of it more like blueprinting, than porting.
@@derbycityracing2997 With an intake center line of 111, I'm gonna venture a guess and say that the lift is around 6:05 to 610. it'll be a good Cam, it's got a little bit much on the exhaust side unless you're gonna be going with a centrifugal supercharger at some point. Prefer to see a little bit less, somewhere in the 232ﾟ duration at 50 range.for na in that application. The converter will be pretty good for the setup.
@@bmasontv no supercharger it’s basically a more improved version of the mmx max effort cam. Just have the hellcat shorty headers with high flow cats n mid muffler delate on exhaust
Best is a word that is incredibly subjective. It all depends on the combination and what the vehicle will be used for, or more to the point, what the power plant will be used for. So, is this a car, truck, boat, aircraft /air boat, power station/generator or agricultural equipment? Will this vehicle be involved in any racing activities and if so what kind? Drag racing, closed circuit racing, autocross, Open Water racing, sprint boat or jet boat? If this is a land-based vehicle, what is the owners anticipated comfort with gearing (street car)? In other words, will this vehicle be involved in Long Distance, road trip applications? If this vehicle is to be involved in Drag Racing, will the owner be opposed to a high stall torque converter (which will limit street drivability.) What kind of idle quality will the owner be expecting? What is their tolerance for heavy chop, poorly mannered cams on the street? Does the owner have any experience with cammed applications? Give doctor Differential a shout and he can get you sorted.
@@bmasontv hey! Thank you for the detailed response I really appreciate it! It's for my 5.7 R/T Challenger. I just want to increase the HP and add some sound. I'm not taking it to the track or looking to race. Already added a cat back exhaust and long tube headers to my car. Doea doctor differential have an instagram, twitter, or email where I can reach out to them? Thanks again for all your help I really appreciate it!
