Chop & Brew - Episode 34: Bad Ass Saison with Nathan Smith

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We’re heading into the Bad Ass Brewery with one bad ass guest host and co-brewer - Nathan Smith! Nathan is an award-winning Bay Area-based homebrewer, a member of the DOZE and Brewing Network homebrewing clubs, a Minnesota native. During a recent trip home, we invited Nathan to take the helm of the Bad Ass Brewery alongside Bryon Adams and Chris Paynes. The result: a split-batch of saison and lessons on mash efficiency, making brew day changes on the fly, and some schooling on farmhouse ales. [Original postdate: February 26, 2015]
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Chop & Brew - Episode 32: Brewing with New Hop Varieties (Nathan Smith presentation from NHC 2014)
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@ebbefinkandersen5177 9 лет назад

Really good episode! Chris Paynes on brewing water and salt additions would make a great episode.

@ChopAndBrew 9 лет назад

It shall be done!

@thedominantscale 9 лет назад

Best chop and brew episode (on the geeky part of brewing)! Would be great to have a video discussing the Bad Ass Brewery system and some mash pH!

@godsun316 5 лет назад

I need a Chris in my brew life, lol. He went deep into the water quality.

@ChopAndBrew 5 лет назад

If you haven't seen it yet, check out our more recent video on water salt basics. Lot of people have said it has helped their brewing with some simple additions.

@raiderrob672 9 лет назад

Awesome video guy's. always a great pleasure to see the Dreaded one aka Brian Adams and Mr. Spock aka Chris Paynes..

@ajshortmac 8 лет назад

the new music is killer. really enjoying it.

@Gwar7 9 лет назад

Could not stop laughing!!!!!!!! Chris looked like he was trippin balls!!!!!!

@mrcreditunion1 9 лет назад

What a great setup at badass brewery, the badass crew is great!

@TheBum732 9 лет назад

Loved the music in this episode.

@amreyes22 9 лет назад

Killer music! The brew day footage was pretty killer as well!

@austin2842 9 лет назад

Great video guys. I was just thinking I'd brew a saison, so perfect timing. Interesting you touched on mash pH... would be awesome if you did a video on this too!

@ConcreteScout 9 лет назад

this was a sweet video dudes. thanks chip and fam! cheers.

@donosborn 9 лет назад

Looks yummy. That efficiency is off the charts. Dang. I wouldn't think to make a Saison in the dead of cold Winter, but there you go. Blam!

@MrNormandaniel 9 лет назад

Gotta love this content!!!! Well done guys

@rhodneygarrison6107 7 лет назад

Great episode guys.

@D42Wright 8 лет назад

Great episode! I'll be putting together a brewing tackle box of my own for offsite brew days!

@davidpruitt952 9 лет назад

great info. Cheers!

@Heffelz8 9 лет назад

This episode inspired me to brew my first Saison. I ended up aging it on 3 vintage oak blocks (8 0z) used for a chardonnay. After 3 days in the secondary with the blocks, I kegged it. Best beer I've made to date. Thanks, Chip and the CB gang!

@MrJest2 9 лет назад

All you guys rock, and I love the brewing videos (Like the "chop" cooking vids too; maybe need some more there to mix it up a bit harder..). Bryon, I'm honestly jealous of your setup and eventually want to get to something similar there myself. :-) But seriously, Chris is my hero. I am in awe, and can only strive to achieve his level of expertise and precision. I merely dabble, and often make completely unreproducible brews (which is unfortunate since often they are good) because I fail to take good notes and measurements... but someday I hope to be a better brewer and actually pay attention and understand WTF I'm doing. :-D Great job, all of you!!!

@mylkmouth 9 лет назад

Awesome video! You should do a water additions/ ph video. It's an area I definitely need to know more about.

@pookanc 9 лет назад

Great Episode! Sounds like it's going to be a Killer Saison! Cheers!

@justinvongeflugeable 9 лет назад

Shit, gotta get my hands on dat albino hop dust

@kevinpaul3285 9 лет назад

Killer music in the opening montage.

@jasonclick 9 лет назад

excellent video. great tips on PH

@SeanMcColgandude 9 лет назад

Awesome video! I saw some sweet left hand logo too

@Bigz4ch87 9 лет назад

Love your videos man, and I'm jealous of the setups you guys are always using..hah. Cheers!

@diegocalderon3221 9 лет назад

Learned a lot this episode. Didn't know saison yeast was supposed to be higher temp to drive yeast flavor into the beer. Just brewed a Belle saison with wheat and have had it sitting around 68 - will try this next time.

@oovocal 9 лет назад

After the title song the metal sequence is fucking rad!

@unionrdr 9 лет назад

It'll be interesting to see what the French & Belgian saison yeast bring to the party. I used the 3711 in mine. not much pepper flavor with high temp though? A bit of barnyard on the back. After some 4 months in the bottles, it was like a saison-hybrid lager.

@hoverluver 9 лет назад

Great video. Just started watching you guys. Been home brewing since Jan 2015. All grain from the start Kolsch, oatmeal stout and a Rye ESB. would like to see some details on the Bad Ass Brewery layout Keep it up

@stanlindert6332 8 лет назад

These are some Bad Ass Homies. Wish I was livin close to you dudes. Oh well the dudes up the street are putting in five acres of hops so I'm good.

@andrewt248 8 лет назад

I had the same thing happen to me yesterday. I updated my mash process and ended up with a 16p wort for a saison when I was aiming for 14p. Imperial saison here we come!

@TheP4t 9 лет назад

Diggin the music

@jibba0202 9 лет назад

About time; )

@ericrowles5152 9 лет назад

Hey Chip, you have any updates on this beer? I've got some motueka, nelson sauvignon, and 3724 in my fridge and I'm getting ready for a brew soon. brew for brew!

@SigururGubrandsson 9 лет назад

"Smells like poop"

@lukemich12 9 лет назад

nice!

@mathematicall736 7 лет назад

thank you Bryan Adams, I've always wondered what it looked like in that little beer gravity viewer

@diverbob33 9 лет назад

Great Vids guys and love beer talk! Can you tell about those funky, flexible draw tubes you guys use in the brewery? I have never seen such a gizmo but can think of allot applications for them. Rock On!

@ChopAndBrew 9 лет назад

Yo, Bryon Adams!

@brada002 9 лет назад

Hey diverbob33 the tubes you saw are called Loc-Line and you can find it here www.loc-line.com/ . Works great and does not breakdown at high temps etc etc. Let us know how or if you use if for your brewing. Cheers

@RoadLifePursuits 9 лет назад

Which PH meter brand are you using?

@salvatorefrisina5959 5 лет назад

Update/tasting notes?

@agentPLINY 9 лет назад

Another great episode, Chip! I always wondered, does Chris Paynes work in the brewing industry, or is this just a hobby for him?

@Leoyeh 9 лет назад

Awesome video!!!Can i put it on my webside to teach people how to brew saison?

@ChopAndBrew 9 лет назад

Yi chen Yeh Sure thing - if you don't mind just shoot a courtesy hyperlink to the Chop & Brew website and/or RU-vid page. What is your website?

@Leoyeh 9 лет назад

ChopAndBrew Thanks! I'm still working on my website (www.yesyeast.com, scheduled to open in May.) and sure i'll show the link to Chop & Brew website ! Thanks again~

@MikeP350 6 лет назад

awesome brewery and video production. Are you guys located in Dumont, CO? i live on the western slope. Great brew, ive been wanting to brew a saison for a while.

@ChopAndBrew 6 лет назад

The core group of friends/hosts are in Minneapolis/Saint Paul. Though Nathan Smith, in this episode, was visiting from the San Fran Bay Area.

@jbsg01 9 лет назад

93%, that's crazy

@andrewt248 8 лет назад

What category did Nate enter the "Best Wishes" in for competition? Does the saison category allow for 10% ABV?

@ChopAndBrew 8 лет назад

Per Nate: Belgian Specialty Ale Category 14C in the bjcp.org 2008 guidelines

@bbloom1989 9 лет назад

Hey Chip, can you give any more info on what additions Chris was using to alter the mash pH? I noticed he was using a liquid, was that phosphoric acid or something?

@ChopAndBrew 9 лет назад

James Bloom My brain cannot comprehend his ways. I will see if he will hook up some information to pass along.

@cpaynes8512 9 лет назад

James - That was 85% Food Grade Phosphoric Acid inside an Amber Glass PET bottle with a glass eyedropper -- Safety gloves and glasses are recommended while handling. Gypsum and the Acidulated Malt also played a part in lowering the pH but nowhere near as much as the Phosphoric Acid did. The acid is added to both the strike and sparge water to get the pH into the 5.2 - 5.4 range. The amount of acid needed will depend on the volume of water used, the concentration of the acid, the mineral concentration of your water (this can change seasonally), the temperature of the water, the lovibond of the grains in the grist, etc...

@brada002 9 лет назад

Chris Paynes www.amazon.com/Phosphoric-Acid-High-Purity-1000ml/dp/B009S05Z2Q/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1425052506&sr=8-4&keywords=phosphoric+acid

@bbloom1989 9 лет назад

ChopAndBrew Chris Paynes Bryon Adams you guys rock, thanks for the quick responses! Missouri water tends to be fairly similar to what you get in Minnesota, so this will help out when I'd rather not buy RO water. I am a clinical scientist, so I'm actually used to handling the stuff fairly regularly, so I should be in good shape. Working on some sweet mixed cultures that I am freezing in glycerin. If you are ever interested hit me up! Thanks again guys!

@mcdick 9 лет назад

Big thumbs up for Riwaka and Nelson Sauvin from here too. I made a amber (actually in my profile pic) couple of years back, and it was pretty much best beer I've made and /or tasted. Mr. Bryan Adams(?): You've got really nice brewing system. What sort of pump system you use?

@brada002 9 лет назад

I'm using March pumps on the system. I'd have to go check the actual number if you are interested. Chris Paynes schooled me on that too telling me to keep the level of the hoses above the inlet of the pump to keep the flow running smoothly. (That Paynes is a genius)

@mcdick 9 лет назад

Bryon Adams Ok, thanks for the info. For Chip & co: It would be really interesting to see episode of these more advanced systems and kind of pitfalls that one might run into. There's so much stuff about the actual making of beer and the most basic mash tuns and whatnot, but this sort of proper lautering and pumping, etc, stuff is pretty much skipped.

@vtrider82 9 лет назад

What did you add to the mash to lower the pH?

@cpaynes8512 9 лет назад

85% Food Grade Phosphoric Acid added to the strike and sparge water did most of the work. Gypsum also played a very small part as well.

@SigururGubrandsson 9 лет назад

Name it BABS!

@dannymars 9 лет назад

What's the white powder you're sprinkling on the grain @ 2:26 ?

@novazeros 9 лет назад

Brewing Salts.

@ChopAndBrew 9 лет назад

Dan Deviant Gypsum.

@TVsGringoStarr 9 лет назад

Pure, uncut Colombian cocaine.

@dannymars 9 лет назад

what a terrible waste

@derrickpitter8340 9 лет назад

ph stabilizer?

@ajshortmac 8 лет назад

Chris P reminds me of a South Park Character like Kenny. not a talkative guy but always adds good content!

@ChopAndBrew 8 лет назад

+Andy Mac Homebrewing Hopefully we'll never kill him off in an episode. Fingers crossed.

@ajshortmac 8 лет назад

lol

@frandicoX 9 лет назад

Jeff loomis brews beer?

@simonfinnegan 8 лет назад

Is there a tasting follow up?

@ChopAndBrew 8 лет назад

+Simon Finnegan We didn't do one. Bryon drank most of it while we couldn't get our asses in gear to coordinate. He was actually not all that happy with the results. Apparently the cold basement and his makeshift attempts at adding heat didn't work so well and then never really dried out the way he'd hoped.

@TheSherrin5 9 лет назад

Is JD Martin a homebrewer? Rock On!

@ChopAndBrew 9 лет назад

Luke Sherrin He most certainly is. And a fan of smoked meats and Scotch. :)

@TheAwmartin 9 лет назад

Smells like poop. Looks like poop, too. Haha! Chop for chop, Brew for brew!

@SaltyPenguin255 7 лет назад

oh no where is the recipe?

@ChopAndBrew 7 лет назад

Patrick Lyons Heck. No one ever pointed that out! Here you go: chopandbrew.com/recipes/bad-ass-saison-homebrew-recipe/

@SaltyPenguin255 7 лет назад

Thanks for the reply! Since I cant really find these hops in western WA, what would you suggest to use instead thats more common? I am trying to perform my first all grain batch as BIAB and I LOVE these farmhouse and belgian styles.

@ChopAndBrew 7 лет назад

Per Nathan: Those NZ hops are tough to replicate, but this will get 'em close! Riwaka sub Mosaic + Citra blend Motueka sub Centennial + Mosaic