Christopher Hitchens vs Dinesh D'Souza - Mississippi - 2009 

Yeah because he made a documentary against Obama and all of a sudden he gets audited. That's what happens when you got an evil man desperately trying to take power.

***** Oh yes. Because Obama never gets criticism from other persons. It is CLEARLY a fraud. Seriously. Why should ONE guy most people don't even know be so important to put in jail for a documentary that is made by dozens of other people too?

His documentary was the #2 box-office selling political documentary of all time if I understand correctly

***** And still the fact stays: Criticism regarding the president isn't uncommon nor new.

Oh how I wish Mr.Hitchens were here to have seen that!! :-)

Sounds like a true Christian.

To be a creationist is to willingly cultivate your own ignorance.

😲!

He understands, he just gets paid alot to say dumb shit

Although he's the one telling us the full context of the snippets Christopher uses for his arguments. The "god is dead" bit is an example of this. I'm an atheist, but an honest one. If you think people with a disagreement over something neither side can prove are simply ignorant or stupid, than you've placed yourself squarely in their camp. You're just as ideologically driven if you can't see that dinesh was showing to either be more read or more honest than christopher in that exchange. Christopher was purposefully using a short term from a story with a completely different moral value as the author's own words in a personnel sense knowing his audience has never read these volumes.

@@jaredwillard3022 nope, no idea. obfuscating drivel. you’re dinesh aren't you!

How is he wrong? Survival of the fittest, everything can't survive at the same time, only a few can evolve and so on.

13:35 "I want to engage the Secular critique on it's own ground. Which is the ground of REASON" -D'Souza D'Souza too deluded with his religion to realize that he just implied that the ground of the opposite of secularism: non-secularism (Religion) is UNREASONABLE. Christopher Hitchens doesn't even need t speak anymore. D'Souza DESTROYED HIMSELF.

I know right? I thought about the hundreds of creatures in various ponds around me that yes eat each other, but as far as i can tell, continue to exist year after year. Under D'Souza eventually there would be only one animal in those ponds. I guess you could make that case for humans, but that would mean being a vegetarian, as there would be no cows. although i guess there not enemies. however, i have seen a cow try to gore my dad, so maybe that particular cow wouldn't make it.

@@arnoldseivwright2920 Exactly, but if evolution and survival of the fittest is true, wouldn’t we all be considered enemies of each other? Because you are vying for the same resources as me.

Im sure I can guess what was #1 on that list of top 10 stupidest things ever heard: “human beings evolved from pond scum”.

😁 Thank you!

Doing gods work

I think he makes alot of good arguments about other subjects but I cringe when I hear him argue about god. But it's worth it to hear Hitchens. I think he was one of the greatest, the most entertaining and the most intelligent debator I've heard.

I agree, but Hitchens has had far more worthy counterpoints in the past.

Rave7wist what is your fav Hitchens debate? I like anytime he talked about Islam or the Iraq war. I remember him tearing apart a Rabbi about circumcism. However the debates about proving wether god does or doesn't exist are abit boring after the first time.

vs Tony Blaire Colin Thomson . It may not be my favorite "ruthlessly hitchens"-esque debates where he wipes the floor with his opponents fallacies, but it's all the more refreshing because of it. The debate remains civil and constructive throughout, in a way that religious debates rarely have the chance to do so (due to logical fallacies, undermining and backtracking, etc...)

you can refute everything Hitchens says to

Ahhh! yes! Empathy. damn it that was the word i was looking for. I entirely agree, empathy is the key to building morality both individually and socially.

Who said Morality came with Jesus?

@@ignipotent7276jesus may have never existed.

@@AFMMarcelD Really?

Nope, I disagree with you on this...the point he made at 1:13:52 is one of the finest points I have ever listened.

I can’t listen to him for more than 2 seconds

Don't get me wrong...I'm an anti-theist...but from the past D'Souza debates I've seen this is by far his best...doesn't make it any better but his '' first cell argument'' on witch evolution depends on is pretty strong. But still; in lack of evidence, he invokes god really quickly witch is rather anti-scientific. ''God of the gaps'' is really not the god they should praise.

TrollPickle 1:23:00 for that cell thing ''witch I don't believe is anything godly''

In the former USSR & Russia(1917-92), the Bible was banned &Bibles were smuggled there! The USSR was a super-power gung-ho on wiping out religion there as well as around the world! However within months of the fall of communism & the USSR in 92, the Bible was put back in Russian schools & a student will memorize over 600 Bible verses by graduation! Also chaplins are back in the Russian military but during communism, there were no chaplins!!!!!

Danny Smith I hope you're wrong, but I suspect not.

My brothers and sisters. For me and you have no controls of everything around us. Besides, what is given unto us. Same, which me and you have no control of time. Why me and you have hard time of listening? Can you see? That the moon, sun, and season violet its course? But me and you differ. Precious you are my brothers and sisters.

So much power, politics snd big bucks in keeping it going on!

Your logic fails miserably. If science doesn’t claim to have all the answers (which it does), then why do all these athesis get up on stage in the name of science 🧪 and claim to know everything when in fact they know nothing regarding the supernatural. ?

@@RobertASmith-yy7ge they're not claiming to know everything, they're trying to get these arrogant Christian debaters to stop acting as if they do and understand why their stone age concepts are preposterous

Preston P what’s Stone Age? In actuality the best defense of atheism was Darwin 150 years ago. That’s pathetic. Christianity ✝️ has cutting edge science confirming its validity.

When does religion (judeo-christian) claim that EVERYTHING, scientificwise, is in the Bible? The Bible contains many recent scientific discoveries, but who and where does it say in the Bible that it contains EVERYTHING ? On what basis do you say that " religion claims to already have all the answers ". Religion has one job: to bring worshipers together with the object of their worship. The Bible in this case is for us to know God and to make Him known, to find our way to Him and help others find Him. Its 1200 pages long and treaties on thermodynamics or electromagnetism just arent that high a priority. And thats ok because many believers just trust in it and spend their lives pursuing other truths, like science and arts, and sometimes they find things that benefit theologists and beleivers, just as theologists and believers have things that benefit the scientist and researcher. Its a vast and complex world and we need eachothers services and minds. Theres no part of any knowledge that has all the answers. The chemist needs mathematics, mathematics needs logic , all sciences are dependant on eachother. "Science" will stop updating to find new answers if it WANTS to prove something rather than discover anything. Look at Dawkins, an obsolete dinosaur that still clings to Darwin who has been proven wrong time and time again, because he WANTS Darwin to be right, because of HIS religious reasons , "Darwinism", a word he cant stop using. He clings to it like an imature kid who still sleeps with his teddy bear well into teenage years, and is the laughing stock of the scientific comunity, including atheist scientists; his intelectual dishonesty and immaturity, and the fact that he insists on an error out of pride and spite, earns him his collegues contempt, and rightfully so. I for one, cannot speak for the rest of theists, but i believed in evolution (macro) for most of my life because i believed the lie that we had phases upon phases of skeletons of apes turning slowly into men. When i discovered that the whole theory was based on a slightly weridly shaped fragment of a jaw and a couple of cracked ribs and several shards of skull caps, i stoped believing in evolution (not from that reason only, also genetics). To me man evolving from ape was one of many stages in a long process of God creating man from the dust of the earth. My reasons to doubt evolution are from lack of empyrical evidence. I ALWAYS questioned the bible , as much as i questioned the science, and always found answers that strenghtened my faith and trust in the gospel as well as knowledge of the univers. The more they grow the more they merge and confirm each other. Blind faith is bad, in ANTYHING be it religion, government and science. Always keep a healthy 5% of skepticism to allow new ideas to seed in your brain, because anything that gets to 100% in your brain it will cause madness...thats when bodies start to pile.

@@oldscorp only a child (or an adult with the thinking skills of a child) would think that I meant religion claims to answer 100% of every question that there could ever be. religions claim to have answers for some of the most important questions we have and crucial aspects of our everyday lives. where do human beings come from? religions have different answers that all claim to be fact. where did the earth come from? religions all have different answers that claim to be fact. where did the universe come from? religions all have different answers that claim to be fact. how should human beings live their lives and run society? religions all have different answers that claim to be the absolute best way to live your life and run society (typically by being a slave to a deity; offerings, mandatory submissive worship, what gender or religion or even ethnicity a person must be to have authority, formerly sacrificial killings, etc) ""Science" will stop updating to find new answers if it WANTS to prove something rather than discover anything." >this is 100% false. you don't know what you're talking about little bud "Look at Dawkins, an obsolete dinosaur that still clings to Darwin who has been proven wrong time and time again" >sorry, but Darwin's theory of evolution has not been proven wrong. and if you believe it has, you are hopelessly lost and ignorant on your faulty research. do some more research lil bud :) sorry, but you simply don't know what you're talking about if you believe the theory of evolution and Darwin's work has been proven wrong and is quote "the laughing of the scientific community". to believe the things you've said you must be younger than 10 years old correct?

@@treysalinas4147 and you did? Haha. To Quote Hitch, with extraordinary claims come extraordinary evidence- the duty is on you here. In 8 years Dinesh has done more to discredit his own claims by becoming a decrepit conspiracy theorist film-maker and convicted felon. Trump actually got him out of his sentence. Facista a facista. Keep walking, tool.

@@treysalinas4147 Mr Salinas, you have won, you are no novice. Clearly a Journeyman.

13:35 "I want to engage the Secular critique on it's own ground. Which is the ground of REASON" -D'Souza D'Souza too deluded with his religion to realize that he just implied that the ground of the opposite of secularism: non-secularism (Religion) is UNREASONABLE. Christopher Hitchens doesn't even need t speak anymore. D'Souza DESTROYED HIMSELF.

​ @Trey Salinas

Chris Lee peter hitchens is more convincing of christianity

@@vanguard4065 umm, no..

"convincing of christianity" There is no such thing. It's fiction. The greatest lie ever told. Mary's virgin birth? The greatest prank ever told. A slag who merely escaped punishment by lying about her conception.

why hitchen dumb as rock

@@RobertZemeckis2025 What are you trying to say?

@ Robert zemeckis you had to edit that reply wow…

My brother is not about destroying. Matter of fact is the opposite. But it takes a truly humble men. Meaning, I have no right to violate you but to love you. But who will hinder such a claim? My brother I pray that you protect such claim. Is for you and your generations to come. I love you truly my brother. Only God transform me and knowing I'm more precious than anything you see. Like you my brothers and sisters

I'm Scottish and worked for an American oil service company, knew many Americans and spent several months over there, realising how entrenched such a percentage of them are in religion. It hadn't occurred to me, but is now obvious, that Hitch debates could receive minimal notification.

So does the church....always on need of money... Mother Teresa mopped it up, deposited it in Vatican banks.... instead of using it to alleviate suffering...asked people to bear the pain and pray, converted them while they lay dying.

I always thought he was a particularly weak-witted d-bag even back when I'd read more conservative writers, fun to hear. In retrospect, I guess this is Hitchens' Tyson phase...just mopping up chumps in round 1. Lost him too soon.

Oh please. I have yet to come across a person who hasn't broken the law to the extent that they'd be imprisoned for 1/2 years, theoritically. Virtually everyone browsing the internet is a pirate, and that is allegedly a crime that could get you fined, or even behind bars. It depends on what you've "illegally" downloaded. I'd love to see you try and imprison a large portion of the world's populace. Anyway, point is, I don't see how this should speak volumes. If he had murdered someone, then I'd in full agreement, but this is not the sort of crime that would lead me to criticize him.

I think "mistress" might be overstating it, D'Souza wasn't involved with her until he was separated from his wife, to my knowledge. If this separation was just a intermediary step in their plan to divorce then it's not exactly the same as "cheating" but with D'Souza's religious view of marriage it may have still been a violation of that.

I'd love to hear you expound the volumes it speaks. Exactly which implications are you hanging out there? I think D'Souza answers you himself with what was said at 1:38:06

maybe you show check out dinesh's case and others similar to him. if you think dinesh deserved what he got your an idiot

No we haven’t fool.

No we haven’t. Moron.

Robert A. Smith We know the speed of light it universal numb nuts. Light, like sound, doesn’t travel at different speeds, just different frequencies. It’s been tested on Earth and in our Solar System. There’s even fucking video of the process being conducted in regards to the light traveling from the sun to our planet. Read a science book before you talk to the grown ups. Also if you were indoctrinated as a young child into a religion I’m so sorry, I know you didn’t have any choice in choosing and it’s criminal that you were forced to believe something so young without making a choice about it yourself

Alex Floate youre a moron. you give us no specific examples only a generalization. great evidence.

Vanguard Is he supposed to write out one of Dinesh’s long ass analogies for you? Watch the video and listen for yourself dumbass. Why pretend like you didn’t hear them for yourself? YOUR argument is one of ignorance, pretending it didn’t happen. If you couldn’t understand what you were listening to then you shouldn’t be down here in the comments antagonizing people. Bitch.

@@vanguard4065 "We can think about Theism as Scientific Theories" 1:02:00. Totally idiotic analogy. Here's your proof. Moron !

Analogies are intellectual the pictures they paint are so clear that a ignorant evolutionary minded moron can get it !!!

In Russsia & USSR(1917-92), the Bible was banned but smuggled there! The USSR was a super-power gung-ho on wiping out religion there & around the world! However within months of the fall of communism & the USSR in 92, the Bible was put back in Russian schools! Now a student will memorize over 600 Bible verses by graduation! Also chaplins are back in the Russian military, absent during the communist years!

its like Jesus(dsouza) debating Pilate(hitchens)

Religion in America has poisoned the government.

Who wins(lol)!

+star morrison He was only sentenced to a halfway house for 8 months in 2014, fined $30,000 and got 5 years probation.

PARDONEDF

How can I not hate people who truly believe that because I don't believe as they do that I am going to be tortured for eternity and they find such a belief to be perfectly acceptable and moral? How can I not hate those who teach children that it is a virtue to believe and a sin to think rationally? Those who do so are committing child abuse and how can I not hate child abusers? How can I not hate those that claim their opinion comes from a divine authority and as such they have a divine mandate to impose such beliefs on me? The fact is though that I don't hate them but I will be as hostile as I need to be in order to make them see how insane and destructive their beliefs have been on the growth and development of our species.

You quote mistruths or half truths. 1) In contrast to common belief. The word Eternity doesnt mean forever and ever. It simply means "final" or unchanging. The Bible actually teaches that those reject God will be destroyed or killed "for Eternity" where they will cease to exist and this fate is unchanging. This was a mistranslation from the original Greek text. 2). There is nowhere in the Bible that tells people not to think rationally. Actually the opposite. The book of Proverbs is filled with excerpts about acquiring Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge. (which actually "leads" people to God instead of away). It's those people who mix "pride" and arrogance with their own wisdom (while ignoring the wisdom and evidence of God in nature and conscious) that are led astray by their own illogical thinking. 3) The Bible is not someone's "opinion". It is composed of 66 books by 39 authors over 3500 years. The authors of the books of the Bible span the socio-economic spectrum (from Kings, Priests, Scholars, Sheppards, Tax Collectors,etc) many of whom never met one another....Yet they all come to a consensus. God exists and he manifested personally in Jesus Christ. The Bible is the most reviewed and scrutinized book in history yet detractors still have not been able to completely refute or disprove the texts (even though many doubt the validity of the stories and events).

Scott Williams I can't refute the existence of pink unicorns yet that doesn't mean they exist. It doesn't really matter how many people came to a consensus over a piece of history they were not witness to especially when they had every reason to want to believe they were true. Your number is off Jesus was supposedly around about 2000 years ago you can't have people from 3500 years ago as part of a consensus to events that have yet to happen. Trying to convince me your argument is valid because a lot of important people believed it is a logical fallacy referred to as an appeal to authority. If you're trying to include "prophecies" as the reason for saying 3500 years then please quote the "prophecy" that specifically gives the name Jesus Christ since I have yet to see it. It doesn't really matter whether the stories in the bible occurred or not . Even if Jesus existed, even if he did everything they claim he did none of it equates to him being the physical manifestation of a being capable of creating the universe. Thank you for the correction on the meaning of eternity I feel so much better now to know that instead of burning in a lake of fire for not believing I'll simply be erased from existence for the horrible sin of skepticism in the face of absurd claims. You honestly think the bible encourages the pursuit of knowledge? Truly? The core tenant of your religion is the belief that because Adam and Eve chose to pursue knowledge by eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil they and all their descendants have since then been punished for the terrible sin of pursuing knowledge. The implication of that story also is that before they ate the fruit they had no knowledge of good and evil which means no knowledge of morality so ordering them not to do something when they could not understand that the action was wrong is stupid. It is like me getting a puppy from the pound telling it not to crap on my carpet and then beating it to death when it does because it doesn't know any better yet since I have not taught it any better. Quoting later passages doesn't change this core tenant it only goes to show the bible is incoherent and contradictory. I did not misquote anything you simply don't like what your sacred scripture says and so pretend the more grotesque passages don't exist. By the way if evolution is true then the Adam and Eve story is false and if that is true then there was no original sin and therefore no reason for Jesus to be born and get sacrificed so the entire core of your religion is therefore false. You don't find it even the slightest bit absurd that the central tenant of your religion is the notion that god had to screw some Palestinian woman in order to give birth to Himself so he could then sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to save us from Himself because he was holding a grudge over an action supposedly committed by people dozens if not hundreds of generations prior and for some reason decided that was the only way he could let go of his grudge? It's a truly insane and evil set of beliefs and it is immoral to approve the idea of vicarious redemption (aka scapegoating).

I think, and I'm a theist of some kind don't believe in Hell though, that I understand the reaction from Atheists as mostly returning the favour of vitriol that has been directed towards them by believers at one time or another. Also it's RU-vid comments.

As an addendum I think D'Souza's criminal history, and political activity bring out an extra level of condemnation. Though, as a point of logic, only D'Souza's points presented here in his debate should be under consideration in evaluating his performance and I think both he and Hitchens did well.

I couldn't bare to watch this, after listening to D'Souza other times.

@@robbyddurham1624 well you have to bare it if you can. just watch it a little bit. there's much more joy and logic and skepticism to be had if you do listen all the way through.

Funny how god cures cancer, for many believers. But amputees are beond reach aparently.

***** This is one question Christians really have to tap dance for an answer to.

@@todbeard8118 Jesus regrows the ear of the servant of the high priest that had his ear cut off in Luke 22:50-51. G-d has healed blind men, lame, deaf, sicknesses, no one is dancing around anything. G-d can speak the universe into existence he can easily regrow limbs as much as he can easily bring people back from the dead, end wars, and save everyone. The question is why doesn't he do all those things all the time but the fact that he doesn't has literally no bearing on whether he exists or not anymore than saying because you have the ability and means to give $20 to a homeless person to help feed them and keep them alive for another day but you don't, doesn't argue against your existence.

@@billvigus3719 Amazing all of these miracles took place 2000 years ago in Israel on a regular basis but none seem to have occurred since.

@@todbeard8118 what's amazing is that miracles happen at all regardless of frequency or location

If you were to degrade progressivism or the scientific method or any of the beliefs I hold dear, I wouldn't be offended. So why are you?

J Scott Upton Krauss wrote an entire book about the universe coming into existence out of nothing, and that is the Christian position! haha what an idiot. Thanks Krauss.

@@RobertASmith-yy7ge no, the Christian position is god created the universe with the not yet created human inhabitants in mind. Krauss provides evidence for the spontaneous creation of the universe without the presents of such a god. I find it entertaining that Christians see this and try to spin it so that it supports them. It requires an awesome amount of ineptitude that is frankly hard to witness.

Zach Rowlett oh so now you know the kind of God. Oh, ok! Actually Krauss makes a completely illogical circular argument which has no basis in science. He completely failed at his attempt to explain the universe without God. Which can’t be done because nature cannot create itself. It’s that simple.

@@RobertASmith-yy7ge First of all, how can you know that? We have an imperfect idea of the universe, we do not know it's exact origin and for all we know it could very well have created itself. A prime mover could also have set it all up, but as Hitchens says, science gives us no reason to believe such a thing, and outright disproves the biblical god.

Barristan Selmy My man

Doing the Lord's work 😂❤

Agreed. Could you imagine having that little weasel as a father?

@@britishcodfish1472 poor little thing has no chance!

In Russia & the former USSR(1917-92), the Bible was banned & smuggled there! The USSR was a super-power gung-ho on wiping out all religion there & around the world! However within months of the fall of communism & the USSR in 92, the Bible was put back in Russian schools & a student will memorize over 600 Bible verses by graduation! Chaplins are back in the Russian military but were absent during the time of communism!

Antonio Gonzalez if dsouza is a joke than hutchens is the butt of it

Vanguard If Dinesh is the joke and Richards the Butt, then I think it’s safe to say Hitchens shit all over him in this debate. Go and read a history book please, not the Bible, a real one. With actual sources and evidence. You know, evidence, that thing you have to replace faith/belief.

If the attempts fail so easily bc they are elementary, they why can’t your brain 🧠 handle them? Doesn’t speak highly of your intelligence.

@@RobertASmith-yy7ge his points of argument are always weak. They don't my brain, they bore me. Its always fun to hear Hitchens

Tim the Enchanter hitchens is a boring whiner. dsouza gives us energy and makes life worth living God bless him!

@@vanguard4065 life is worth living without god. We have each other and the animals and all the things we can create. Of course I would love to see my loved ones after death but I can't believe in that because I cant believe the bible and I'm not going to lie to myself in order to live in the brainwashed state I once did. Hitchens won the argument in my opinion. Two years ago I would've come out in favor of D'Souza

Gish gallopping just like his buddy Shabibo And thew US's Reich Wing happily confuses it with intelligence. That country is doomed.

he had his reasons which is why you nobody debates with you

What in the world does "...which is why you nobody debates with you" mean?

Because he's brilliant and Hitch himself is on record saying so.

In Russia & the former USSR(1917-92), the Bible was banned & illegal & Bibles were smuggled there! The USSR was a super-power gung-ho on wiping out religion there & around the world! However, within months of the fall of communism & the USSR in 1992 the Bible was put back in Russian schools & a student will memorize over 600 Bible verses by graduation! Also chaplins are back in the Russian military but no chaplins during communism!!!!!

What an actuall... There definitelly was an economic crisis in communist countries, people were starving and waiting in lines for meal, the inequality of the distribution of our wealth isnt problem itself you would have to explain why, and as far as I know, countries with other economic systems did also participate in wars :D lets see what else can you blame on capitalism?

No, you're not

Just another point to show how ridiculous the idea that the universe is a perfect creation is.