Ciaphas Cain - The Emperor's Silliest Clown by PancreasNoWork - Reaction 

His skill at dissembling is also apparently great. I think that also lets him separates himself to see situations more clearly. Honestly Cain is just that good at being a commissar, I think. Modern common sense dictates that the commissar role must be flexible, resourceful, and fluid enough to both butter up the upper echelon to ease the pressure on the servicemen, and gel well enough with the men to survive the battlefields. He's just the right mix of perfect for that role, imposter syndrome be damned.

He kept him alive because knew for sure that his death directly results the defeat, but didn't know why

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Well now I’m legally required to read it

No. Not my boy

What the fuck not JURGEN!!!

Crippling imposter syndrome

"Mood kindred?"

@@ForgottenHonor0YES!!!

“Are you a absolute piece of shit too”

Sus

*MOOD KINDRED* ?

why avoid them ? are the foornotes incomplete or something in the audiobooks?

They all seem to be there for me

The audiobook have it as Tallarn...so...no idea what you mean.

@@Steelgrey666 Old Man said it was the Tanith that created a cult when it was the Tallarn.

I also had Cain as a door to 40k, and though I still enjoy those novels, I can't neither deny that a person with that kind of personality simply couldn't become a commissar in a first place, nor ignore numerous gaffes and inconsistencies throughout those stories - I can assume commissar might misiterprete navy radio chatter because he is not aware that Tyranids doesn't use Warp to travel, but I'm pretty certain that Salamander Scout Vehicle won't fit Aquila Lander under no circumstances, let alone leaving enough space to luxuriously fit a full Inquisitor retinue with a visitors on top of that...

​​@@evilbabai7083 Aquilas are said to have as many designs as there are forge worlds in the imperium (hyperbole, I remember Amberly said something along those lines in one of her footnotes), that particular one could have been designed to transport nobles and their vehicles, alongside their servants and perhaps guests. I don't understand which part of the books you are reffering to with the navy radio chatter, as far as I remember he never talks about the nids using the warp. As for how Cain even became a commissar despite being the way he is, keep in mind that while he is cowardly in a sense, he is both a very competent liar and manipulator as well as a very skilled man, commissar training is no joke and if he could pass through it then that means he was made of tough stuff even before he became a hero, and if you think it's because he's too nice for a commissar, remember that not all commissars resort to execution at the first chance they get, Gaunt ot Yarrick for example.

@@agentc7020 Aqila Lander is described as a small shuttle for one polot and 7 passengers max, there could be any number of the variants, but either way they will comply with the original STC pattern. Base hull of it, minus engines and wings, is twice as small as Salamander scout (which is a Chimera platform, originally intended to carry 12 guardsmen alongside with 3 crew), so even with cargo hold attached it won't fit it, it won't even fit under it as it's wider than the landing gears. Implying there are variants capable of the described is like implying that there are variants of Ford Transit thet could fit Bradley in it. Regarding Tyranids I quote: "'We're detecting warp portals. Dozens of them!' 'The fleet?' Divas asked hopefully at my elbow. Mostrue shook his head doubtfully. 'The auspex signatures are all wrong. Not like ships at all...' 'Bioships,' I said. 'No metal in the hulls.'" - that's a piece of "Fight or flight", that's the first but not the last mention of Tyranids using Warp in the series. And it's not the only way the lore gets broken either, but if you don't care to notice it, I care elaborating even less. And I don't doubt Cains skills, competence, expertise and so on, I doubt his mindset - Schola is aimed not only at raising the strongest individuals, but the most loyal as well, when it's said that weak are dropped out, they mean it in every way. No matter what personality Cain had as a child when he got into institution that has been successfully shaping individuals into exactly what they're intended since M32. It's highly unlikely to say the least that a person who successfully went through the all the trials on the way to a Commissar could posess the moral traits Cain has - he'd either been indoctrinated into a proper state of zeal or assigned to a less demanding branch. Progenia are not forced into a specific duty, they are picked depending on their moral qualities and performance. Even the most troubled and cunning kid would be an open book (which they are going to rewrite) for the mentors who has all the time-proven techniques on their hands, as you can't expect your coach to believe you are following the diet while he's looking at you new extra chin.

@@agentc7020 Aqila Lander is said to be a small shuttle for one pilot and 7 passengers max first and foremost, there could be any number of the variants, but either way they will comply with the original STC pattern. Base hull of it, minus engines and wings, is twice as small as Salamander scout (which is a Chimera platform, originally intended to carry 12 guardsmen alongside with 3 crew), so even with cargo hold attached it won't fit it, it won't even fit under it as it's wider than the landing gears. Implying there are variants capable of the described is like implying that there are variants of Ford Transit that could fit Bradley in it. Regarding Tyranids I quote: "'We're detecting warp portals. Dozens of them!' 'The fleet?' Divas asked hopefully at my elbow. Mostrue shook his head doubtfully. 'The auspex signatures are all wrong. Not like ships at all...' 'Bioships,' I said. 'No metal in the hulls.'" - that's a piece of "Fight or flight", that's the first but not the last mention of Tyranids using Warp in the series. And it's not the only way the lore gets broken either, but if you don't care to notice it, I care elaborating even less. And I don't doubt Cains skills, competence, expertise and so on, I doubt his mindset - Schola is aimed not only at raising the strongest individuals, but the most loyal as well, when it's said that weak are dropped out, they mean it in every way. No matter what personality Cain had when he got into the institution that has been successfully shaping individuals into a perfect tools since M32. It's highly unlikely to say the least that a person who successfully went through the all the trials on the way to a Commissar could posses the moral traits Cain has - he'd either been indoctrinated into a proper state of zeal or assigned to a less demanding branch. Progenia are not forced into a specific duty, they are picked depending on their moral qualities and performance. Even the most troubled and cunning kid would be an open book (which they are going to rewrite) for the mentors who has all the time-proven techniques on their hands, as you can't expect your coach to believe you are following the diet while he's looking at you new extra chin.

@@agentc7020 Aquila Lander is said to be a small shuttle for one pilot and 7 passengers max, there could be any number of the variants, but either way they will comply with the original STC pattern. Its base hull, minus engines and wings, is twice as small as Salamander scout (which is a Chimera platform, originally intended to carry 12 guardsmen alongside with 3 crew), so even with cargo hold attached it won't fit it, it won't even fit under it as it's wider than the landing gears. Implying there are variants capable of the described is like implying that there are variants of Ford Transit that could fit Bradley in it. Regarding Tyranids I quote: "'We're detecting warp portals. Dozens of them!' 'The fleet?' Divas asked hopefully at my elbow. Mostrue shook his head doubtfully. 'The auspex signatures are all wrong. Not like ships at all...' 'Bioships,' I said. 'No metal in the hulls.'" - that's a piece of "Fight or flight", that's the first but not the last mention of Tyranids using Warp in the series. And it's not the only way the lore gets broken either, but if you don't care to notice it, I care elaborating even less. And I don't doubt Cains skills, competence, expertise and so on, I doubt his mindset - no matter what personality Cain had when he got into the institution that has been successfully shaping individuals into a perfect tools since M32. It's highly unlikely to say the least that a person who successfully went through the all the trials on the way to a Commissar could posses the moral traits Cain has. Furthermore, Progenia are not forced into a specific duty, they are selected depending on their moral qualities and performance, so there is a high chance Cain wouldn't be considered as a candidate to begin with. Even the most troubled and cunning kid would be an open book (which they are going to rewrite) for the mentors who has all the time-proven techniques on their hands.

Go watch it he has reacted to it all ready.

At this point Ciaphas Cain will come back as a living saint and bring the emperor back to life due to sheer bad luck (for him) and happenstance

​@@DogKacique some black legions plans to bumbrush the still living emperor by time traveling to or before the horus heresy to actually finish of the emperor. Cain goes back in time and "cains" his way to save the emperor and probably gets mind read by the emperor to know who this human is to see what a s##thole his imperium becomes. This could be a really interesting "what if" scenario.

It depends, the guy was legitimately just under two meters tall and regularly practiced with a chainsword, and he's strong enough to parry hive tyrants and Chaos Space Marines and lift smaller tyranids.

​@ES21007 Well, people that have adrenaline pumping through their system have been able to achieve herculean acts at times, of course afterwards they had to deal with excessive torn muscles and/or broken bones that they didn't even know they had, do to not really being able to feel them at the time.