The UNSC in Warhammer 40k - HaloHammer Part 4 by PancreasNoWork - Reaction 

It's frankly INSANELY fast for a group that was consistently and constantly losing since the war started but OH BOY did they work quick.

@@kabob0077 Imagine the size of the coffee machines at the research and development centers. You know those scientists had few to no early nights, or sleep-in mornings while working on that project.

@@Joannes808 They must have worked like Bungie crunched Halo 2 but for YEARS on end.

​@@Joannes808 They got 8 hours to sleep, shower and whatnot. They also got an hour for lunch. ONI section 3 where the ones in charge and Dr. Halsey was the one overseeing the project. Dr. Halsey is basically a female version of Belisarius Cawl in terms of obsession with developing technology.

Big Brain time

Plausible, they're both too Lucky to have anything bad happen to them...

Cain is one of the guys in the imperium that would willingly work with them

They did they’re called the interex

My dream a human empire just as willing to fight as the imperium but are much more defensive than imperium

@@Al3xandr35 response: the Imperium is nothing but defensive though, in its early history yes it was aggressive but those days are over.

@@Azorees-oj5zr Defensive as a policy because as defensive as the 40k imperium is it can still afford crusades like oprah "u get a crusade u get a crusade everybody gets a crusade"

@@Al3xandr35 response: nearly all of which is RECLAIM lost territory, very few of them actually advance the Imperium’s territory.

ONI Post War may be cartoonishly evil and stupid but ONI during the war was an absolute BEAST of an agency.

@@kabob0077 Blame the writers for that, because after 343 it feels like all things went to hell. Like seriously what was Hood doing while not making sure Paragonsky had a leash on her

@@kabob0077 Honesty I dont truly like what 343 did with ONI post war. Sure they commint many sins but also they are important reasoucefull to UNSC but 343 its just want create Halo like marvel studios and disney star wars.

@@marseldagistani1989ONI did shit like experimenting with flood during the war, kidnapped children, and many other shit. Yes they were wildly competent but it is perfectly within their characters to go be “cartoonishly evil” even though they were never cartoonishly evil and did things that is completely normal for ONi

Response: even a partly intact STC would make them a real menace for the 40k galaxy because the UNSC have Engineers, which are aliens that the Forerunners created to repair and improve every piece of technology they come across.

@@Azorees-oj5zr true. Hell even UNSC just finding the Votann would be a boon if they can talk their way into being allowed to try fixing one

​@@Azorees-oj5zrif the UNSC appear during Gullimans return then they're in a shit position, mostly because the galaxy is slowly descending into madness. Upsize is gulliman is gonna love the UNSC because it'll be easier to deal with them rather than insane bureaucracy that is the Imperium.

​@@covid6942he would probably make some under the table deal with the unsc like "hey, you seem like calm and reasonable people, you help me and I can ("lose") some equipment and tech

@@thelordofthelostbraincells probably and he'll most likely try to take a position in command of the UNSC to make sure the Imperium doesn't blow them up and because he's a goddamn military genius with an intelligence that can surpass smart AIs and keen logistical acumen. Human Covenant War wouldn't end well if UNSC is led by hyper-competent commanders. The UNSC would do well under his guidance, probably get as close as he can to DAOT humanity that won't work with the Imperium for obvious reasons.

The UNSC would have a field day with the tech to reverse engineer.

@@Davidofthelost response: considering that the UNSC also have a few dozen Engineers, Imperial tech minus Psychic tech of course, would be putty in their hands.

@@Azorees-oj5zrI’m sure that wouldn’t stop O.N.I. From attempting to understand why Psykers are made and how to create that effect inside special operatives.

@@Davidofthelost response: I never said it’d stop them, just that it would be the most difficult to reverse engineer.

​@Azorees-oj5zr They also have a limited amount of Forerunner Tech from the start. Mostly small arms Tech but also attachments reverse engineered from Forerunner tech for both weapons and power armor. And the ability to mass produce Spartans. Which if their smart will be the first thing they will do.

Hey, quick reminder that the UNSC uses 7.62 and not 5.56.

Want y’all to know that the UNSC use 7.62 rounds and not 5.56 rounds.

Hey guys, did you learn the UNSC uses 7.62 rounds not 5.56.

Just to let you guys know, the UNSC uses the 7.62x51 round and not 7.62x39.

wow i never would have guessed the UNSC uses 7.62 and not 5.56 rounds.

Keep in mind if this is post war humanity they auto win thanks to their sensors being able to detect anything in the galaxy this would include dormant tomb worlds, and forge worlds that are either abandoned or lost to the Imperium meaning UNSC just got infinite production capacity after they upgrade everything on that forge world to their fabricators(and yes a UNSC fabricator is better than the imperium equivalent) now stick some dumb AIs to run the place and boom infinite ships, guns, bullets, tanks, and anything one needs, now post war humanities only weakness that being a crippled production capability from losing Reach. And honestly except for one or two pieces of Necron tech they are better off continuing their research into ancient human and Forerunner tech so they can curve stomp everyone in 200+ years when they finally emerge from hiding.

Yes I can confirm, if the ONI have the same number of resources like the Inquisition will use the exeterminatus more often than Inquisition. Specially with Tyrannids.

@@jager2749 LOL Humanity was the good guys because we were The Underdogs is Space Battles for 50/50 chance of success do you want to see will be blowing up any Covenant Homeworld they find and public outcry what public outcry

@@jager2749 Humanity has been losing that war for 30 years and the populist didn't find out about it till like 5 years near the end 50/50 space battle engagements and no civilians would have found out about the war

they are armed and armoured with plot armour

Commissar n the Chief

@@jasonml3508 They have enough Plot Armor we could build two separate Battleships out of it, hell there may be enough of it left for a Large Cruiser or a Battlecruiser!

Response: but I have hands.

Not if you want to praise the Omnissiah you don’t

@@dakotalange2858 response: I have “tentacles” coming out of my back, my hands are too useful to remove.

Everything is better with tentacles

@misplacedodst If it’s not your not using enough 😂

​@justvibing4796 Imagine a UNSC Marine with that level of shaddow in the Warp who has been given Spartan 4 augmentations , training, armor and weapons with Forerunner tech attachments to their weapons and armor. Your average Guardsmen would shit bricks upon seeing Spartans on a battlefield. And then recompose himself when the Spartans start eradicating the Xenos.

UNSC people would case new gods be formed since we already have like 12 different religions on earth, and then it breaks down into the subgroup of the original now add that to all the planets the UNSC had before the human-covenant war and add it to 40k

@@nathanevans3506 They technically still have 800 planets. 76 of which are known to have been glassed and need Teraforming in order to be habitable again. They also have personal stationed near or on the Halos and own at least one shield world. But yeah at some point they will create minor gods in the Warp.

@goblo023 Your average Guardsmen is 5ft 9in , 175 lbs. Your average Spartan IV in armor is 7ft tall and over 1,000 lbs yet moves with superhuman speed and agility. Your average Guardsmen has never seen a Space Marine outside of recruitment posters or some shit. Seeing something that is 7ft tall , heavily armored and moving in excess of 60 mph. Would be enough to harbor feelings of awe and fear in your common Guardsmen. Even without accounting for the Null of the Warp factor. In Halo Spartans are described as blurs of motion in battle to outside non Spartan observers. So much the same feelings as seeing a Space Marine or a Sister of Battle in combat. As to Master Chief . Dude has plot armor thicker than a Titans armor plating. So yeah he could probably beat your average no name Space Marine. But it does get more difficult the higher up the rank structure you go. Oh and yes the right weapons and equipment would be an obvious requirement to win. As to the Bolter well the standard bolter rounds are .75cal or 19.04mm rocket propelled armor piercing high explosive rounds. The UNSC has their own version it's called the Hydra MLRS rifle. And is pretty much standard issue to the Spartan Branch. Oh and Spartans will never give a Space Marine a fair fight. They didn't kill Brutes and Hunters by fighting fair and their sure as hell aren't going to start now.

@@John2r1 response: yeah the Spartans would tell the Astartes that they can stick their honour and glory up their arses, their there to win. Query: also do you remember that time Chief slapped a missile away from himself?

Query: Which Star Wars are you talking about? Response: Because if it’s legends than 40k ain’t beating it but 40k won’t lose either.

Response: also Halo could easily win. Query: remember the Flood and the Forerunners?

@@Azorees-oj5zr I meant humanity specifically, sorry should have clarified

@@Mr._Galaxywide query: well then I have to ask whether you mean modern humans or ancient humans? Response: because ancient humans were able to go toe to toe with the Forerunners.

@@Azorees-oj5zr I mean the modern all but stalemate humans during present 40k

Huh, neat.

So it's not an AI, if he uploaded his memories into a clone of him.

Depends on the Spartan as to rather the little part holds up. Your average Astartes is 7.6ft tall in armor with some shorter. Captain Titus being an example of a shorter Astartes as he is 7.2ft tall which is the same as Master Chief. There are 3 well known Spartans that would be larger on average when in armor. Going with original size backed up by the books canon for them . Jorge-052 unarmored 7.4ft tall, armored 8ft tall. Kurt-051 unarmored 7.7ft tall, armored 8.2 ft tall. Samuel-034 unarmored 7.10 ft tall. Armored 8.4 ft tall. Making him a giant among Spartans. So Spartans vary in height from 7ft to 8.4ft tall and in weight with the average being 400 lbs. So, not necessarily little siblings. Oh and as an impressive kicker. Spartans can still have children. And do pass down some of their genetic modifications to their children. Only one Spartan II is known to have retired from active service and have started a family. God Emperor bless the man who saw a female spartan and said yes that Amazonian chick with the scars who could probably rip me in half if I piss her off is the one for me, lol.

Response: the only problem with that is the Navigator houses and the Telepathica would be up in arms over it because it would take away all of their power.

As a Halo fan. Slipspace is safer and with more advantages then warp. Yes. Faster? Not immediatley it would take a couple decades (at least) to become faster. If the Imperium lets UNSC scientists continue advancing technology that is.

@@whitetoast8096 response: even if it’s slower, it’d still be better due to being able to allow for better communication between planets, you’ll actually know WHEN you’ll arrive at your destination (which will give Imperial commanders a massive advantage when planing a campaign) and as you said it’s safer by miles. Really the only issues come from the logistics of retrofitting every ship, how the Mechanicus will potentially react to it, the Navigator Houses and the Astropathica.

Yep and they already have the ability to mass produce super soldiers to buy them that prep time . I personally think that they would for the most part move a lot of their population and technology to a core region that is easily defensible like Shield World 006 formerly known as Onyx because it's more defensible than their current capital and then become semi fleet based as in the way they interact with the wider universe would be as if they are a fleet based society keeping their capital and general locations of their worlds as unknown to any other faction. Meaning they show up ask the local planetary governor if he needs any help when the planet is being attacked , hammer whatever is attacking the planet with high powered weapons to include weapons developed from the limited amount of Forerunner tech they have then disappear again after being paid likely in either resources or technology that they can then reverse engineer. Only really showing the other factions their military forces. Which if the only interactions your faction has with them is through seeing their military consisting of what appear to be 7ft plus tall super humans in power armor carrying strange glowing weapons. Your probably going to assume they are a race of high tech space faring giants. Because you don't know any better. Look at descriptions of Viking traders written by the peoples they came in contact with and compare it to what most of the population actually looked like. Same concept. “I saw the Rus’, who had come there to trade and settled on the river Atil [Volga]. I have never seen such perfect bodies, they were like palm trees, blond and red light. They have neither jackets nor caftans, but the man wears a suit, which covers one side of the body but leaves a hand free. Each one carries with them an ax, a sword and a knife, and these tools they never leave. Their swords are wide, ribbed, of Frankish manufacture.From the nail next to the neck, they are tattooed in green with trees and other images." The Rus were Vikings who settled in what is now Russia and Ukraine . But as we know most Norse men were around 5ft 7in tall. So why would they be described as being so tall by other peoples they met and traded with ? The answer being that the men sent out on Vikings and for trading with others were the Warriors which were taller and of larger build than the average man. The UNSC may do the same with mass producing Spartans out of their military. Your average Guardsmen is around 5ft 9in tall and 175 lbs . Your average Spartan in armor is 7ft tall and over 1,000 lbs including the armor or about 400 lbs without the armor on give or take Also without armor on the majority of Spartans are around 6ft 9in tall since the majority would be Spartan IVs . Some of them are as tall as 8ft in armor meaning these soldiers that the average Imperial Guardsmen or average civilian are likely to see are as tall as Astartes are . But generally not as bulky in armor. Due to how their armor is designed. So yeah given prep time they would be over powered.

... Are you sure?

@@OldManReacts Yes, I can confirm

Emile might be different amongst his SIII counterparts, but he would fit right in with the Headhunters

​@@andrewmeyer3599he was a headhunter.

@@matthewchristian9591 No he wasn't. Jun and Noble 6 are the ex Headhunters, Emile along with Carter and Cat were Category II Spartan IIIs which is why they were even given gear comparable to what the Spartan IIs wore

@@andrewmeyer3599 query: where was it stated that Emile wasn’t a headhunter?

@@Azorees-oj5zr Where's it stated he is?

Query: you do remember that the last time the Imperium fought a faction with attack moons, they very nearly lost right?

@@Azorees-oj5zr I am aware of the Beast Orks. The Aeternum can be weakened possibly and besides the current 42nd Millennium there are so many enemies and the Great Rift and new Tyranid tendrils coming through with their own moon sized bioforms not too far away now I think a group like the Aeternum would be more busy with them then the 42nd Millennium Imperium. Another thing is that Aeternum infrastructure can be weakened in the Stellaris Gigastructural Engineering mod when they are gearing up for war you can weaken their mass industry to make their bulid up of fleets weaker over the years.

@@thorshammer7883 query: have you accounted for the range advantage of Stellaris ships? Also when was there confirmation of moon sized tyranids?

@@Azorees-oj5zr The latest Tyranid invasion near Terra have hinted there being atleast one Tyranid bioform the size of a moon heading for Terra. I have heard of the range. May you be kind enough to enlighten me if au range attacks are indeed the real battle ranges when it comes to Stellaris.

@@thorshammer7883 response: yes they are, the only thing that isn’t accurate is ship and station sizes, except for the colossus and the star eaters, their size is accurate. also thank you for the information about the moon sized tyranid.

Response: the Engineers they have would make things considerably easier as well, give them a decade and they will know the Imperium’s technology better than the Imperium and Mechanicus do.

​@@Azorees-oj5zr The Forerunner small arms they have and small number of vehicles they have would make things alot easier. The fact that they can now mass produce Spartans also helps. I honestly don't see the UNSC continuing using slightly augmented humans in 40k for anything more than as a weeding out process for who's going to on to Spartan school for special forces training. All of which would get augmented. But Spartan school is like Delta Force selection.

Astartes are supposed to be incredibly fast and agile too though

@@PatrixBest response: so are Brutes.

@@Azorees-oj5zr Also Elites, who are faster and _more_ agile than Brutes.

@@PatrixBest they are especially if it’s the primaris which are stronger , faster , taller and more enhanced then the firstborn

@@Azorees-oj5zr the things astartes fight make brutes look slow in comparison like eldar

Slipspace is also an advantage that UNSC has, the engineers would also be extremely helpful.

Nova cannons fire across stars gravity wells what are you even on about? Torpedoes also match UNSC long range munitions. And the Imperium has excellent shields.

Yeah, the UNSC lost ground battles because they couldn't keep Space Supremacy but the fact that they can fight the Covenant so well on the ground is amazing. Shame that it didn't really matter much because the Covenant just glass everything not Forerunner.

The UNSC did have the Artemis class battle-cruiser which was made to hunt down bigger covenant warships.

@@misplacedodst True , it was effectively the sniper of the UNSC fleet, the Artemis sports the longest range MAC in the entire roster, and when used in groups can effectively engage almost any Covenant vessel with ease. However its lightly armored as a battlecruiser class. Bur yeah when you can hit your target before they can hit you that's not going to matter much.

​@kabob0077 Exactly. The UNSC Army are among the best ground holding forces especially when they are on the defensive with fortifications , autocannons and heavy artillery support. Which doesn't really show up all that often in game. Halo Ghosts of Onyx mentioned the 440 being a heavy artillery piece. Which a Spartan 3 mistook an explosion caused by an Onyx Sentinel for the 440 being fired. Basically the Army is the heavy artillery guys of the UNSC assigned to hold ground. Also roughly 60% of Grizzly heavy MBTs are used by the Army. For those who might read this and don't know the Grizzly uses 120mm cannons set up with an autoloader system that turns it into a 120mm AA gun from hell used against vehicles and Infantry. Set these tanks in a fortified position and nothing short of orbital bombardment is taking it out. But the Navy didn't hold as well so orbital bombardment screwed them .

@@John2r1 Since Halo Wars 2 units are Canon it also can mount two machineguns and several missile launchers for even more firepower, it truly is the Mammoth Tank or RA1 and 2 Apocalypse Tank equivalent of the UNSC. But I can't help but wish they got the Tib Wars and Kane's Wrath treatment and got the option to mount railguns or some mini-MACs, really would make them all the worse to deal with. Also, the Covenant's mainline tank is literally a mortar carriage so it's not like the UNSC has a proper enemy MBT to deal with. Also, there's the various Scorpion variants (Oh hey, Sun Devil, didn't know you were supposed to be in Halo 2 at one point, nice to see you.), the Cobra (remember my Grizzly upgrade idea? It's possible), and some other vehicles that are pretty cool like the Rhino which honestly I think could have had a chance at entering production either post-war or throughout the war. Problem with the latter time of it being in production would mean it's the UNSC's King Tiger. Because it'd probably be rare to really see one.

True big hitters like Time Lords , Xeelee , downstreamer , the culture etc. Will Rolfstomp everything in 40k.

Random Flesh Tearer: *holds up a murder drone* “Brother, can we keep it?”

@@misplacedodst response: for their own safety, no, just no.

Galaxys edge books in halo would be cool because everything Is so comparable. Galaxys edge just grabbed all the best Sci fi shit and I wish people would talk about it lol

@@LateNightHam never heard of Galaxy’s Edge but now I’m gonna look it up

So in 50 years

@@SoCHobbit HA 50...that's funny. you're funny. 50....

We all know the White Scars would pull a Blood Raven when they see the Mandalorian Basilisk war droid

@@dakotalange2858 especially after they learn how the war droids are deployed into the battlefield. For those who do not know they drop them from orbit guns blazing.

Can you name the story in question?

@@starhammer5247 No just an idea that I came up with. Sorry if it caused you some confusion.

@@Arxis241 I see. Well that's unfortunate. Still, speaking of ideas, I'm reminded of how someone brought up how well Spartans would fit together with the Mandalorians and just how seamless the transition/merging would be due to how both of their cultures developed.

nah, Cato Sicarius its more better counterpart to Master Chief

He didn't even watch that bit 😭

@@kryvex4996 Wdym, I'm talking about the extra reaction I had him do lol

I mean the issue here is that the transformation between normal matter to neutron star matter does not generate more energy than it absorbs in its creation. The reason nuclear weapons work is because they specifically draw out energy from specific matter transformation and do so in a way that allows it to be sustained. Fission bombs break appart atoms that are naturally energetic, and produce neutrons which can be use to further increase the reaction. Fusion bombs harness the energy of a fission explosion to cause light elements to fuse into heavier elements. The products of the reaction creating a huge amount of excess energy. You can in theory keep going down the chain and keep using stronger and stronger stages to fuse heavier and heavier elements until you get to something like iron. Something you can't fuse into a heavier element without an overwhelming amount of energy, and where you aren't going to get a positive return anyway. This puts a hard stop on whatever reaction you had going on, though at this point you have essentially recreated the conditions that are happening in the making of a supernova so you better believe the amount of energy you just unleashed is going to be substantial.

Funnily enough apparently if enough humans go through the warp like that they can actually create a god but it will cost their lifes. But imagine if a faction of humanity does this too create a god of Order who protects and watches over humanity.

Response: yes because Guilliman would do everything he can to integrate them peacefully into the Imperium, slipspace drives would change everything for the Imperium.

Statement: also the Engineers that the UNSC have would be incredibly valuable to the Imperium, creatures that can repair or improve 99% of the Imperium’s technology would be beyond helpful, it’d completely reverse the Imperium’s technological decline.

How would Tech priests/priestesses see the Engineers?

@@dakotalange2858 response: a bit like the Jokaro (not sure if that’s how you spell their name) but they might view them as angels of the Machine God, it could honestly go either way.

​@@Azorees-oj5zrnot to mention they would probably become his personal army since the UNSC follow the god emperors path for humanity more then the imperium does.

Probably and it probably wouldn't help that the UNSC has the capability to mass produce Spartans. And that they are likely to target Orkz and Tyranids because well Orkz are everywhere and Tyranids remind them of the Flood they fought millennia ago. Oh and the UNSC does actually have the capacity to produce something akin to a Titan if they wanted too. They already produce 9 meters or 29.5 ft tall mechs that operate via a neural link similar to titans. So they have the capacity to produce far better weapons and equipment than they are shown to have in their own universe. Oh and Commissar Cain hitting Master Chief would be a problem. Because to normal humie Master Chief and Spartans in general appear like a blur of motion. It would be like trying to hit a Space Marine. Which Spartans are literally a knock off of the same concept as Space Marines.

The realization that Master Chief is covered head to toe in green, and battling the Orks. . . Would make them think that he’s the next best humie, next to. . . Yarrick. . . *Sniff.*

@csmrookie9600 Yep and then the see more Humies in different colored armors some of them also green.

I do wonder though, with the Imperium’s ability to create self sustaining structures, much of the Imperium could potentially turtle in Slip space and simply wait out the Tyranids, which would also solve the Chaos problem.

Response: of course you would.

Source: Trust me Bro.

​@@nobleman9393 Pick a conspiracy theory website. Because while it's not a secret that the US is trying to create Cold Fusion which is what powers stars. But it's not to make a bomb. Lol. That second part was pulled straight out of his ass. Because even IF . And that's a big IF the US was trying to build a Fusion powered bomb that would be heavily classified to the point that leaking such info would get him disappeared from existence into the deepest darkest hole on the planet.

That is true in both universes. However the part of UNSC history covered in the games is just 30 years of history of a race that's history goes back millennia's before even the Emperor of Mankind was born. The Ancestors of what is now called the UNSC rose to to preeminence in the Milky Way galaxy by approximately 150,000 BCE. Having first achieved interstellar travel over a million years earlier and colonized planets across the Orion Arm toward the galactic border, humans became a major political and military power rivaling the Forerunners; indeed, the Didact considered them the second greatest military power and the latest challenge to Forerunner influence. In case no one explained it before this what the Imperium would designate near human Abhuman race was reset back to the stone ages after their war with the Forerunners and the Flood at the same time. They basically got the WW2 Germany treatment with a war on two fronts. Then the Halo Array got fired sending everyone back to the stone ages after reseeding their population. So they are actually ancient as far as their history goes. They once rivaled the Forerunners at one point and got hit by a double sided war and basically got reduced to the stone ages and had to rebuild from there. So yeah the short clip of what we have gotten to see is just a scratch of the surface of their long ass history as a species.

Response: many legions would respect him greatly.

Master Chief *kills millions of Xenos to protect humanity* Space Marines *tips fedora* “not bad Spartan”

To be fair primaris did nothing but die since their creation so they wouldn't be much of an issue. Some chaos bullshit will take them out before a Spartan and a Primaris had a chance to square.

Physical strength matters in Close Quarters. Speed also requires then being close enough and actually show themselves. Being larger just make them bigger targets for heavy weapons. The Average Spartan sniper can out shoot a Vendicare Assassin. So Primaris Marine deploys, Spartan Sniper sitting 5 miles away takes aim and squeezes the trigger and Boom Primaris Marines head explodes . That's one thing most 40k fans don't seem to realize. Spartans get access to Forerunner weapons and technology. Because they are essentially the UNSC version of JSOC and Delta Force rolled into one.

​@@John2r1Space Marines have Access to Golden Age weapons.

@nobleman9393 No they don't in general because 90% of that tech is either lost , damaged or corrupted. What isn't lost ,damaged or corrupted is 99% held by the Mechanicus and that 1% is restricted to the Chapter Master and high ranking Officers. There is a reason you never see the Astartes generally deploying Archotech weapons to the battlefield. We see Spartans with Forerunner weapons on the battlefield more often. Those weapons generally being deployed for the big problems. 40k in general is a series of reasons for ONI to reach deep into it's toy box. And start handing out the best weapons and equipment it has like its Christmas for the UNSC.

@@John2r1 A lot of Marines have Neo-Volkites, while the devastator squads will have some Grav-weapons.

“Lot of stilization and moaning about the greater the greater good” huh…sounds like the imperium just replace the greater good with religious stuff about the Big E

You're assuming ONI wouldn't have made fifteen thousand different contingency plans to screw them over if they tried. ONI doesn't trust anyone, they made the Storm Covenant just to fuck over the Elites who were their sworn allies. That, and the UNSC aren't stupid. The Tau are just allies of convenience as far as the UNSC is concerned, they already have plenty of modern comforts so there's not a lot the Tau can promise outside of tech and an alliance.

O.N.I. Would be watching them closely and probably even commuting strikes against them like they do with the Sangheili after the war. Sure it might’ve been to make sure there couldn’t be another war that they’d be put on the backfoot from day one. But tells you how they feel about any Xenos allies they aren’t 100% sure would never turn on them. Then also look at how they dealt with terrorists and people who dug up information about the Spartan-II’s.

@@Davidofthelost In short, the Tau aren't getting anywhere near a position to screw them over with ONI in the background.

@@starhammer5247 midnight facility for anyone they want to silence. I can see them making an A.I. from one of the Tau leaders and setting it up to slowly siphon control of the alliance towards the UNSC. Definitely something they’d try.

Response: fuckity fuckity fucky fuck ass.

Both are equally canon because 343 Industries didn't want to rock the boat. Kind of like that dumbass tv show is not canon because all of the fans when at them about it . And they made the very smart choice to make it non canon and place it in the "sliver timeline " which is not considered canon by anyone.

The rookie can take on the whole Army of Covenant butt gets killed by the terrorists the original creation of the Spartans starting to make more sense now😂

Response: umm no, there was several dozen ODSTs being sent to assault the carrier, those 6 were being diverted to a different mission.

@@Azorees-oj5zr thanks for the clarification but we all know the rookie could have soloed that assault carrier

@@LegatusLucius2 response: the power of being the main character in a video game.

@@Azorees-oj5zr I think Master Chief wishes he had some of that power when fighting atriax LOL

It's just a question of if they're on the level of ONI agents.

@@starhammer5247 response: on average, probably not.

@@Azorees-oj5zr On average probably not, but due to the sheer size of the Imperium, even if 1% of its covert ops agents meet or exceed ONI standards, that's still waaaaaaay more than the UNSC has at its disposal

@@PatrixBest response: then the question becomes, are those 1% anywhere near the UNSC, if not well, we’ll see the difference between professionals and a bunch of random people essentially.

The problem is that ONI operates at such a level that if they're discovered by that 1% group there's good odds ONI knows they know and already have a plan to keep them from sounding the alarm until it is too late. And that's if they don't want to just kill the poor bastard who found out, if they do then it will probably look like an accident and no one will _ever_ know the truth.

Query: why do think that? Response: the Banished were already had parity with the Covenant before. Query: what would change if they were in 40k?

@@Azorees-oj5zr My main reasonin is cuz the Banished are dozens if not hundreds of times smaller than the Covenant, but that's about it.

​​@@ryan_1099probably about a 10th of the covenant considering how much pull their leader had

@@Asterion_Mol0c response: I’d say the Banished would be about a quarter or more of the size of the Covenant because they did absorb a significant amount of the Covenant’s empire after it’s fracturing, they where the largest post schism faction next to the Swords of Sanghelios and the Storm Covenant and most of the Brute factions joined them as well.

@@Azorees-oj5zr aye

Response: There are about 15 to 20 Spartan 2s left after the war and an unknown amount of Spartan 3s though at least 50 or so.

@@Azorees-oj5zr hmm you know, I just looked up how many spartans were made and I was definitely under the impression there were way more than were actually produced.

@@PatrixBest response: you’re probably thinking of the Spartan 4s then, they have the largest number of Spartans but they only came into the picture a little bit before the end of the war.

@@Azorees-oj5zr No I think it was just this idea I had in my head that because Reach was a planet where they trained Spartans that they had a planet's worth of trained spartans.

The spartan 2’s lost a dozen or so on reach and hundreds of spartan 3’s from alpha and beta companies during previous operations

Response: I believe that the Boss has already done one and so has Pancreas.

Yes the UNSC the just got started rebuilding after being reset back to the freaking stone ages after millennia's of being the second power in the universe , second only to the Forerunners . Read the books for reference . But they were at one point technological rivals to the Forerunners. And now have some amount of ancient tech form both the Forerunners and their direct ancestors . Notice I said some this includes weapons , tech and some minor vehicles and a ship or two. Not exactly back to their height. But their building back to that point. So yeah the post getting their ass kicked and devolved back to a primitive caveman . They got the WW2 Germany treatment between the Flood at a much higher level than in the games and the Forerunners at their height. So war in heaven basically and they were the technological monkey in the middle. So for a species that got knocked back to caveman twice the second time being the Halo Array activation. They have done pretty damn well since they got back into space in less than a millennia. Despite being as likely to kill each other as they are other species since they are effectively us in the future.

@@John2r1 yep, and that’s what made us so good, our willingness to fight, and how often we do, engaging in insane arms races and ever escalating wars against ourselves…who do the same thing. So we are always fighting the best/craziest, fanatical enemy that will do any and all things to win, and the fact we will steal and modify anything we can, with zero hesitation. Also S-2’s are no joke. Most people’s only interactions with that is the game, they don’t know they can see in the dark. Hear as good/better that any or most animals. Have reaction times faster than anything know and still recorded in our history, tougher and faster. Far stronger. Then given the best power armor we can make at the time, due to fuckery. Which still allows them to go hand to hand with hunters, and win…at times. Let alone elites and brutes. Even at first contact with them, they win more times than not. Because they are flat better, faster, or just as fast, protected enough, but out think and outperform in most ways, even if not in pure strength, except elites. Dead even match physically essentially. But S-II’s tear through elites like they are nothing. Well once they go Mjonliner and the version with shields. Which the S-II’s stole from jackals, and we revered engineered. Like a handful of Spartans, and not even John/blue team, have stopped full up covenant invasions on their own, let alone with space support, ODST’s and marines/army support. People are always like oh 40k, durr, we always win. Yeah not against S-II’s you don’t, as even if physically outmatched by some/the best. Space “marines” they won’t be beaten mentally. Also won’t surrender. And will only think and try harder. And they can actually think, and will use any technology or tactic that wins. And come up something based on what they are facing. And god forbid you give them AI’s let alone John and Cortana. You’re done son, John would be the new emperor while he’s still in his prime. After a century or two. Of direct combat, killing trillions at once like he has, wiping out entire major fleets. Above sector levels, etc. and guess what, he’s a human, lol. So is the USNC. All fully human. No sorry xenos. They beat, and slaughter xenos. Who try to murder them for false religious reasons.

@Plastikdoom Um neither Spartans nor Space Marines are a joke. Their actually rather similar physically speaking. That said the most dangerous thing on a battlefield is a wounded Spartan in close quarters. Because that thermonuclear bomb powered by a small star that powers his armor will vaporize anything in the general area. And Spartans are psychological prepared to use it. They can also use their armor to compensate for injuries . A Spartan can be hit by plasma fire that manages to penatrate their armor have the muscle in an leg or arm completely burnt through and still keep fighting by adjusting the internal artificial muscles to compensate allowing them to keep moving without using the destroyed muscle. Chief did this when his quadriceps was burnt through by a lucky shot. The shooter wasn't so lucky as chief killed it. The book doesn't go into details but it's safe to say chief probably ripped its spine out for the insult. But still physically they are comparable. As to Chief becoming the Emperor. No he wouldn't because he doesn't have that kind of ambition.

Against the entire imperium? Nah

@tariqjohns5078 They likely wouldn't fight the Imperium. Hell, the Imperium likely won't notice them for hundreds to thousands of years. Due to everything going on that rank higher than some 800 colonies of some abhuman empire that pops up on like the Eastren Fringe. If Gulliman can manage it, he might just make a treaty that turns the UNSC into a buffer state against the Tau if possible. The UEG government is just as corrupt as the Imperiums governments. So the right amount of money or resources to the right people gets the Imperium a buffer state. They can deal with later. The freedom of religion factor also gives the Imperial Cult a good chance to come in and convert the people. Once the Imperium has the people religiously and the politicians in their pocket . The UEG is now Imperial. And the UNSC goes with the politicians. A lot of 40k fans forget that while the UNSC is the military and capable of building up enough firepower to deal with whoever tries attacking them. The Imperium are humans. Sure the UNSC would likely call them imperials. As a distinction between them and the Imperium. But being human makes infiltrated and cultural exchange between them easier. Thus ending with the UNSC/UEG being part of the Imperium just like the Squats are part of the Imperium but treated as mostly Independent. In the old lore.

Humans with auto-guns, doesn't seem extraordinary for the Tau.

@@nobleman9393 Humans with railguns sniper rifles with an effective range of 4.9 miles and the capability to pierce armored vehicle's, tanks , buildings , etc and still turn a Tau Fire Caste Warrior into a splatter of blood and meaty bits. Also these humans they are meeting are 7ft tall in power armor with a energy shielding system, active camouflage etc for the attachments to the armor. And can run up to 60 plus mph , punch hard enough to destroy titanium armored plating and are capable of flipping a 66 metric tons tank while wearing this armor. Because ONI and the UNSC are not likely to be dumb enough to not augment even standard Marines with the same augmentations as Spartan IVs given the factor of their numerical disadvantage compared to most factions. So picture a Tau Fire Caste Warrior looking at a Spartan in armor because much like with other societies such as the Vikings first contact is likely to be with the military which as per usual are generally larger and stronger than your average civilian. The fact the UNSC has the technology to augment their entire military and produce MJOLNIR Gen 3 Armor. Your average Tau is not going to know anything but these people are giants in power armor with a decent level of technology. Not necessarily that much better but decent none the less. That's something you keep failling to remember. The Tau isn't meeting the Civilians in first contact. Their meeting the military. And even when the leadership get to meet civilian leadership the military is going to be surrounding them and ready to kill everyone that isn't human in the room at the drop of a hat. These military personnel likely being actual Spartans not the augmented Marines. Not that they would know the difference. Since the difference becomes the extra training. Kind of what's the difference between an Infantryman and a Green Beret . Answer Training and further education.

@@John2r1 And how is this any different from what they see, meet and fight normally?

@@nobleman9393 It's not really that different except in sheer numbers of superhuman soldiers. The Imperium has roughly a million Space Marines. If the UNSC/ ONI does the smart thing and augments their military presonnel with the augmentations of Spartan IVs then the Tau are looking at something along the lines of 2 to 4.5 Billion superhuman soldiers at present levels of estimated population for the UNSC. Second with regards to the Spartans guarding important leaders you do recall the fact that the UNSC/ONI have spent years looting Forerunner technogies and reverse engineering it. The Spartans would be the ones with the glowing weapons that fire hardlight encased antimatter. Though yes the most common weapons of the Marines and Army is the MA5 series of assault rifle , M395 DMR , BR85 battle rifle , M45 shotgun and M20 SMGs. What they have in common is that all of them accept Kentic Bolt attachments. The augmentations gives them the capablility to use weapons such as the ARC-920 railguns, Hydra MLRS systems basically a proto bolter, and the ability to use turrets taken off their mounts to including M68 Gauss cannons or the newer M70 Gauss cannons like they are heavy squad weapons. Because there's nothing like a giant man or women in power armor with a 25x130mm coilgun capable of firing rounds at around Mach 40 to say don't screw with them. The obviouse objective of the use of augmented super soldiers is intimidation as the Tau don't know how many of these super humans they have. Oh and IF ONI were to be so nice to give up some of their toys to be produced by anyone outside of ONI they could be armed with hard sound rifles. Which have a respectable effective range of 915 meters or 1,000 yards and doesn't care what armor your wearing it's a one hit kill via obliterating internal organs. This would actually be the impressive part aside from personal energy shields and deployable hardlight shields among other tech used by the UNSC. Most of the Marines aren't going to be much more than a hmm they're very large and strong and decently armed . The Spartans are the wtf is that glowing weapon thingy. So while the UNSC intends to project strength which they would given the number of super humans they would have. The Tau would be more interested than intimidated until the Spartans actually show up then well when you have a unit of 7 to 8ft tall super humans with helmets that have a skull etched into it carrying large knives and weapons that can disintegrate an Ork or a Tyranid . You obviously don't want to pick that fight. Note how I gave the Spartans the Forerunner small arms . Because they are trained with them as part of that extra training they go through. Marines aren't Spartans regardless of their augmentations and use of power armor.

@@John2r1 After decades the UNSC still only has hundreds of Spartans, while 1500 were made in total, so any reason to believe they can just make billions of them whenever they feel like it? (And since the UEG fell apart, it doesn't seem like they will be making any new Spartans) The Tau have mass produced Ion Rifles and hand held railguns. Pretty sure the Hard sound rifle is useless against targets who have even basic armor, hence why it was used only in assasinations of politicians and civilians and never on a battlefield.(Btw fire warriors do have deployable shields and those aren't relics, they just make them in their factories) They pick fights with Astartes, they sometimes lose, but also sometimes win.

even Guilleman would apprechiate the unsc and would try everything he can to direct the imperial resources to actual threats to the galaxy then wasting them on a non-imperial human faction that is declared heretics for being different. 😂

@@Spartan135hell knowing guilleman he might try to trade with them for their slip space tech an imperium with slip space tech omg would that be terrifying cause now they can actually sending whole fleets together instead of some of the fleet arriving then some later and then later. the only real attackers to them would be the mechicius cause ai and they actually innovate instead of stagnate and some purist inquisitors because different. hell he might even make them a protectorate for the time being or try to intergrate them into the imperium as their own empire within an empire like with the mechinius and the emporor did. as long as they didnt betray the imperium and helped out eveyr once in awhile things could be solid. and with some radical inqusitors making secert deals with the unsc like with the tau things could go well,

⁠@@coolchrisableresponse: the Navigator houses and the Telepathica would be biggest detractors to peace between the Imperium and the UNSC because they’d lose their power if the UNSC allied with the Imperium.

@@Azorees-oj5zr i mean yeah they would try to keep the imperium and unsc from fully forming an alliance but i dont think the nav and telepathica houses would fully disappear they would still be needed as even if an alliance does form it would take way to long to retrofit ships to use slip space and not warp drives. hell they would still need them to follow enemy paths. also making new ships to intergrate with slip space and learning how to use slip space does take time. but guilliman if he takes time would see that preticular tech invaluable to the imperium. the only thing is if the houses can convince the mechinicum to not use it as they make all the imeriums shit. since the mechinicum dont care for wealth and this tech doesnt use ai

@@coolchrisable response: I think you underestimate the political power they have in the Imperium, they do control all communications and space travel in the Imperium after all. This gives them power to rival the Inquisition and the Mechanicus.

Difference is 3000 degree celsius is still going to melt you. And they are the COMMON guns of the covenant. Plasma weapons in 40k are literal dice. THATS the advantage. And dude plasma weapons on avarage thousands of C°s. That is still a MASSIVE advantage. And a covenant plasma gun will ABSOLUTELY rip through SM armour are you kidding me?

@@berilsevvalbekret772 yes I’m aware plasma weapons are a roll of the dice in old lore in new lore they been refined and perfected heavily by belisarius cawl( although pancreas forgets to mention this )the mk 3 cawl incinerator has a saftey mechanism that prevents overheating although when set to overcharge it can kill the user but deals more damage . And if a spartan can dodge and tank a few plasma shots in armour I fail to see what’s stopping space marines from doing the same since both have comparable reaction times

@@berilsevvalbekret772 also plasma weapons aren’t even the hottest weapons the imperuim has they have melta weapons which are more common , safer and burn tens of thousands of degrees centigrade those would rip right through an elites or brutes armour with little difficulty my point is pancreas misses points on the imperuim and makes it look weak which it’s not .

​​@@memosanchez8916spartans can take a plasma shot because thejr armours have been design and have shielding. THATS why they can tank those. And Spartan II and III armour is better than astartes imo. Last I checked their armour cannot take atmospheric reentries. I know Imperium has hotter running guns. Thats not the point I am making Malta weapons , plasma weapons they are much rarer than covenant plasma guns. Which the fucking GRUNTS use. This is a HUGE advantage on the battle field because astarte or not when 10.000 grunts shooting you with at least 1500 C° guns you WILL melt. This is the point. And there is only what roughtly 1.5 million astartes? Yes they are amazing super soldiers yet if normal humans not that uncommonly can take on astartes I say covenant and Spartans too. 😅 And in games Brutes and Elites are MASSIVELY nerfed most of the time. There was an instance in the books an elite took on a 3 spartan 2s and he was doing pretty well. Mind you Spartan 2s with their armour comperable to weight and reaction time to astartes. In reaction time I say they are equals actually. YOU also underestimate Halo races pretty much too. Read the books seriously they are really good...most of the time. At the very least read Forerunner trilogy.

Covie guns also have effective range of 50 meters lol