Clash of the Titans! Seiko Prospex "Shogun" SBDC029 vs Steinhart Titanium 500 GMT - Perth WAtch  

So for overall quality go Steinhart... for brand recognition go Seiko... I have an Ocean One 39 black ceramic, as well as a Seiko Samurai. Even after replacing the Sammy's crystal to a sapphire, and the bezel insert to ceramic.. the Steinhart is still a more robust piece.

I own both brands. But I will say this, Steinharts are awesome watches, I'll take the Steinhart any day.

I never, ever thought I’d see the day when I started falling out of love with Seiko but I really don’t like the direction they’ve taken, lately.

Fair comparison, thank you. It was a pleasure to watch. 👍

A fine, nuanced review. Thanks! Bargain bottom feeder that I am, the Steinhart was a stretch and a commitment when I ordered. The Shogun never made my heart flutter, in part because, to me, all the Seiko automatic divers of similar price point ($5-900) look alike. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan, particularly of the dial layout. I like the Seiko style dial better than the Oris you reviewed recently. The quartz solar chronograph SSC015 class of watches is similar aesthetically and a screaming value being quartz and steel. But that is one man's opinion. The Steinhart's silly fun water resistance rating, case material and decorated, displayed and GMT movement made it no contest when I was shopping for a diver in that tier. I enjoy it very much. In practice though, I find setting the GMT function not intuitive. I like the method the kinetic Seiko SUN019 GMT uses better and it has (shock!) sapphire and a milled clasp to boot. Being tuna-esque and relatively huge makes it different enough to my eye, too. Have to shake-shake-shake it on a regular basis though!

One month ago I bought the SBDC029 SEIKO Shogun Titanium for 900 $. This is my first automatic watch and I have been wearing it every day. I love this piece of art

If I have usd900 , I would think many many times and research on wether worth to get the shogun. I will not think twice on the home-run steinhart instead. Swiss ETA 2893 even outperform MM300 on the accuracy. That's just my preference. The ceramic bezel plus sapphire crystal can last for generations - u created a legacy

Great review Ivan. Did the Seiko bracelet have solid endlinks and screwed links?

Another great review. Thanks. I have a Shogun and being a lover of titanium, I've been looking at the Steinhart. If it had a "true" GMT movement, I'd buy it in a heart beat. Still it's a looker!

Nice video Ivan. I can't help but think the Seiko is overpriced though which is why I've never really considered it. Bezel insert bugs me being metal - no reason not to include ceramic. The glass also to a lesser extent but I can understand why Seiko use Hardlex as they own/make it. Both great watches. Pretty sure I'll eventually pick up that GMT hehe.

I agree with you 100% on your marks for these watches.

My 2 favorite brands at a very fair head to head comparison, I agree with everything you said here great video I subscribed!

I have that exact Steinhart, and I must admit that I want that Shogun also. They are coming up with a new shogun with ceramic bezel and sapphire crystal and titanium, but MSRP of $1550. I think maybe I’ll look for a used Shogun and save some money.

Perthwatch hows it been buddy? Was wondering if u ever owned or heard of the mido ocean star iv titanium automatic? I just ordered one after researching several different titanium watches been wainting a titanium watch and it's actually my first Swiss watch to with the 2836-2 movement. Keep the videos coming buddy love your channel!

Great watches 🤘🏻 Wish the shogun was bigger

If you didn't own any of them and had to choose between one or the other, which would you choose? I also made a comparison between these two based on this video and other review videos. Seiko, Pros - ISO 6425 certified, good looking design (though I would prefer a titanium Samurai), bigger reserve, I live close to a Seiko service centre, bright lume. Cons - Lower build quality (potential misalignment, cheaper feeling bracelet, looser bezel rotation), size is a tad too big at 43-44mm, Hardlex. Steinhart, Pros - Even better looking design with domed Sapphire crystal, exhibition display back, better size at 42mm, gorgeous blue lume, solid build quality, and being "Swiss Made" automatically makes it more desirable to more people than Seiko even if the brand itself isn't as well known. Cons - Harder to find a decent service/repair centre, it's not an ISO 6425 certified watch. If you haven't noticed, I'm leaning more towards the Steinhart, but the potential difficulty in servicing/repair could adversely affect the viability of long term ownership.

plan to get Steinhart Titanium 500 GMT for so long, watch a lot review from youtube including this video...then went to Gnomon Sg store to pick this Steinhart and ....I went out from store with ‘Shogun’

Thank you very useful

I have recently bought that exact steinhart and I absolutely love it. I have a Seiko sharp edge GMT in Blue which is beautiful. I have a G.S. GMT chronograph which I never wear out at all. The steinhart I wear all the time as 1. It's an extremely handsome watch ,2. Not the end of the world if I lost or broke it. I did consider the non GMT but as you rightly say it's just not as attractive.👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I like the way you compare a Watches as I have said before . Have you considered adding Lume and Wristband Quality Comparisons too? I have asked about a Trades if you say nothing I will assume Trades or trade Plus cash is off of the Table. Thanks as you always seem to deliver fairness and considerable Experience in you evaluations.

Looking to buy the Batman version of the Steinhart diver. The only question is whether to get the Titanium or the new steel version.

Do you dive? I really like both but steinhart is a great looking watch

Never had any love for the shogun, I own 2 tunas and they are amazing. Choice of these 2 watches, it'd be the Steinhart every time

I love Seiko and I own 4 of them from Turtles to a MarineMaster not a fan of SKX’s but something about that Shogun I never liked...I personally find it boring, I passed on it to get a Sumo actually, and went for the MM300 after that. I also own the Steinhart 500 GMT and hands down it’s better than that Shogun all day!

Have them both, I would say Steiny is a much better value than the Shogun. Cheers! 🤙

Nice video again. What is your experience with titanium watch cases, I have been told that titanium marks easily, is that True?

Nice watches! :)

Steinhart beats the shit out of shogun in terms of price, ceramic bezel with lume, GMT, sapphire, etc... I like Seiko watches but always feel this company has been ripping its brand equity off gradually by releasing limited edition on a monthly basis, weak QC, little value for money, and many others complaints.

My question is, where can you service or repair the Steinhart? Because Seiko service centre is only 10 minutes walk from my place.

First... Never clicked so fast haha. Im still mulling over the Steinhart titanium GMT.

I can't say much personally about the Shogun. I never owned one. But, I can say aobut the Steinhart Ti 500 GMT, which I've owned twice. I bought when first released, enjoyed, sold it. It stuck in my mind and felt I had to get it again. I did, but, eventually I also sold the Steinhart re-buy. Main reasons are in the details, which are a few of the downsides, which I've noted towards the bottom of my comments. The Steinhart is a great value for what you get... $700 i paid about new. Swiss ETA movement. It winds incredibly smooth and both examples I've owned have been quite accurate.. +2 to +4 seconds per day. At first people will want to say this is a Rolex Batman GMT homage or copy.. But, there are a lot of differences which make it quite it's own. - 500m WR - Titanium - Lumed Ceramic Bezel, I don't understand why more GMT's of this general style fail to lume the GMT bezel when the GMT hand is usually lumed, it's like having half the information to tell the GMT time in the dark. - Different font style on the bezel, which I prefer is smaller where as the Batman GMT I feel too big and in your face. - display case back - no cyclops (which I prefer) - very good dial symmetry - different handset - different dial look and indices - a bit larger at 42mm - well-placed date window at the 6 to maintain dial symmetry Wishes on the Steinhart which I may hope they fix on perhaps a 39mm version (I expect they willl eventually translate nearly all 42mm Ocean One models to 39mm): - Bi-Directional unidirectional rotating bezel, I don't like rehashed dive bezels for 24-hour GMT purposes. - That center clasp?! I don't understand why it receives the most different finish compared to the rest of the watch. The rest of the watch has a satin brushed finish for the titanium. but, the clasp is almost like a bead blasted matte finish.. so, not only is the surface texture finish different, consequently the greyish tone of the titanium is not the same as the rest of the watch. Luckily is generally on the bottom of your hand and out of sight, but still, it baffles me why they could not maintain the same brushed finish as the bracelet and case.? - Like most other Steinhart of 42mm case size in the Ocean One range, including this Ti 500 GMT, I do not like the say they made the last center link that meets up to the solid end links. the gap between there can stand out as being a little bit more than is needed. More important, the way that last center link is cut is very squared. As such when the bracelet is on the wrist and curves around the wrist, that top edge of the center link rotates outward and reveals a very squared edge.. it just doesn't match and is a bit visually jarring. Because of this straight edge opening, I think that's why the gap around there appears larger and a bit more than is needed. I believe they've fixed this issue on their 39mm versions. I can deal with the unidirection bezel, but the last 2 are issues regarding aesthetic harmony which I really wish they would address some time.. I doubt with this particular model now and future production of the same model. But, perhaps if they make a new updated version in 42mm or if and when they may eventually make a 39mm version of the watch. I said I do not have the Shogun, but I have had Seiko watches with the Diashield coating. That coating does do something to the tone and luster of the metal. Additionally, you can feel the coating and that's why I find when touching the metal it does not feel quite as cold as it would without the Diashield coating. FYI, I'm sure it helps, but from my experience, I still get stratches even with Diashield... is it a lot more? IDK? I take good care of my watches in general. Bur, in my experience, I feel I get about as many, or rather as few, scratches with or without Diashield. Thanks for this video comparison.

The Shogun hands down!

Hello. Congratulations for the video. Very interesting and well done. However, I think you should have made the comparison between the SEIKO SBDC029 and the STEINHART Ocean Titanium 500 Premium, which are much more similar. At first I wanted to buy the SEIKO SBDC029 but it is unobtainable in Europe. I also wrote to Seiko and it exists only for the Japanese market. Do you have an idea where to buy it ? Without paying huge customs fees. Then I discovered the STEINHART Ocean Titanium 500 and it's really interesting. Now I have a doubt, also because the STEINHART Ocean Titanium 500 seems really good, even if I am a Seiko lover. I would like your opinion and I would like to see a new video with SBDC029 vs Ocean Titanium 500 Premium Thank you and take care !

Seiko underrates their watches from it's time keeping to their water resistance for a purpose i think. The glass case-back calls a bit of a concern and claims the 500m rating for the Steinhart, and I have to give it to Seiko for not trying to be a Rolex Submariner copycat. or not trying to copy Rolex at all. But i believe both watches are nice and accurate. :)

Oceane One for Me, Seiko, Loved an always will love all mine through the decades, but no matter which model, is kinda has been, like the unobtainable Rolex, Sick Watches but lets move on Sweetie! HAHA! Great Stuff PW.

I would pick the GMT.

Steinhart hands down! Swiss

Citizen still makes the best titanium watches. No contest. Heck… They made one of the first quartz watches and the very first titanium watch. Look at the NB6004-83E.

tough call... i'm normally sold on Seiko... Steinhart has really come in swinging with this one... it's a very compelling option... I was in the market for a Seiko Diver and needed to check out the shogun... now i'm in the market for a steinhart lol

Give weighting to the categories to get a more complex and rational total

Wow... that bracelet and clasp on the Seiko is pathetic. Sometimes Seiko just does stuff I don’t understand. I’m sorry but a pressed metal “Walmart special” type clasp on a $900+ watch is inexcusable.

Confusing that you give the Seiko more "x-factor". To be the Stainhart looks significantly better. The Seiko doesn't look anywhere near it's price.

And how about the lume?

Design 10 looks like rolex .what is brand factor? Steinhart killed it

Have both. Seiko is great for weight and luminescence, however the movement is horrible for a 1000 USD watch with no sapphire lens. Recommend the Steinhart with GMT and date in an easy to view location. Seiko needs to wake up a bit and offer more value for money as they’ll never be Rolex.

Good time with the wrist u say..... choking the chicken

I’ll take Seiko

Seiko is overpriced for what you get.

The Steinhart has premium materials for the price..The Seiko is boring not to mention the Steinhart the Swiss movement gives that more versatility. The Seiko is boring asf and looks not much different than an SKX at a quick glance.

Durability- 10, 20 years from now Seiko will be ticking

Steinhart for looks Seiko quality

Steinhart yes but Seiko is cheaper

If the Steinhart had better hands and applied indices I'd be all over it.

Who wants to hear all day “is that a Rolex”. I’ll pass on the Steinhart. Copy of a legendary watch.

Steinhart is more attractive, and has a more substantial bracelet (the Seiko's one looks too tapered/thin)...

The Steinhart is a far superior watch in every way. Seiko should be ashamed to charge that kind of money for such a cheaply made watch.

Your really need to get a new camera which can focus faster. This one gave me a migraine....

That Seiko smacks the bejeezus out of that Homage Steinhart!

i like the shogun but the seiko 6r15 movement just no match for the eta movement in steinhart. anything below seiko 8L35 is crap.

This isnt even a question of which is better...a seiko ? Hell no ! They are so poorly made. As an owner of a steinhart ocean 2 premium, I know someone who owns the ocean 500 premium...they are a cut above most any watch for the price. And? They are not a seiko ! Friends dont let friends buy a seiko!

Just compare the watches. Dont put brands on this list

Battle of the shitters

Steinhart honestly wipes the floor with seiko,not even a ckose contest frankly

You lost me at brand seiko should have been a 10 if you compare to watches and not comparing others then no way seiko don't get a 10

nothing compares to Rolex diver nothing and Seco and other companies the copy the Rolex dial of Submariner are weak

I own the Steinhart 500 GMT ..... it is simply the most aweful and shocking badly constructed watch I have ever seen. The case is diagonally skew the screw down is not aligned and I would not trust this in a rain shower - there is no ways this will survive any real water action. If the case is shockingly bad .... the bracelet is even more aweful - it literally fell apart because the dumb folks at Steinhart used steal screws into soft Titanium. Because of its straight lugs it is uncomfortable to wear. My bezel is not alligned and has poor action. As for accuracy it is just within ETA limits it gains 14 seconds a day. I would give Steinhart a huge miss - I will grant it is superficially attractive and the lume is good especially on the bezel.... otherwise it was a watch built by committee and it is really really bad.