Seiko Automatic Diver Duel! "Shogun" SBDC029 vs "Sumo" SBDC033 - Perth WAtch  

Thanks...I love your comparisons. Keep up the great work

Thanks for a great and useful comparison video , I have to say I like your relaxed presentation , I like the fact you are very natural and don't feel the need to shout

I am happy to see you make this comparison video. As your final tally shows, the phrase "difference without a distinction" comes to mind. The base material, bezel font and crown placement are details where one might have a reasonable preference but the biggest differentiator is price vs value. Another interesting head to head might be between the Shogun and the -051 or -063. Similarly priced and engined the latter have sapphire and milled clasps that I find appealing but the average man on the street probably couldn't tell apart without a roadmap. I've been feeling an itch to acquire a blue faced TransOcean -047. However, I don't give my Kinetic SUN019 enough wrist time as is. Both have sapphire and milled clasps but the 2X price difference gives me pause, though there is quite a bit of aesthetic difference. Titanium is famous for being extremely harder than steel on the tooling to $hape it. Zippo made a solid titanium lighter more than a decade ago and I note never since. The Ebay prices for that model are crazily stratospheric. No one makes titanium pistols or other firearms that I am aware of where the weight reduction would be a huge selling point. Oddly, I perceive my titanium watches as feeling insubstantial although my head knows better. My wrist must need the workout. Heh.

Got both. Both aren't step downs from a more premium model. The design of these watches can stand on their own. The review is on-the-spot on all aspects. I'm just concerned about the Titanium. It does scratch a lot easier though. I still have to find out how to restore the finish on my other titanium watch.

One month ago I bought the SBDC029 SEIKO Shogun Titanium for 900 $. This is my first automatic watch and I have been wearing it every day. I love this piece of art

I like your objective comparison review between those two SEIKOs. Its like trying to tell apart between two non identical twins !.

Great comparison! I have both those exact same models. They’re both great watches. I like them both for different reasons.

Nice comparison Ivan. I love the blue of that Sumo. With that movement and finishing they are pretty good value really. The Shogun is also a nice piece and has a point of difference being titanium. Very close... 👍

I was happy to see you kill the Shogun with the value category. I like the watch but titanium isn't an expensive material, regardless of what watch companies tell us.

Good comparison i like both watches but would pick the shogun as well

The Sumo with the rather larger bezel numbering kills it for me, i can't get past that as i see it as a somewhat childish looking. The Shogun does feel and look great after wearing it for about 7 months now. But the Sumo is obviously good value for money. The 053 really looks killer, i'm going to try one in Japan soon. Hopefully it won't wear to large. Keep up the good work.

A most enjoyable review - thank you. I have been looking at both models recently so your very fair overview was most 'timely'! Nice to see you steadily nudging towards achieving 10k subscribers too! Best wishes - snack.

I had already decided on the Shogun and had some on my eBay watch-list. I definitely prefer Titanium, and have several. However, the Sumo case seems so wearable, a work of art. So I just searched Seiko stores on Google maps. Gotta try them on in person. Low blow to take a point away from the Sumo you have for being blue, surely there's a black Sumo!?

Thanks Ivan, I agree, its marginal but Shogun does have the edge. In saying that I just can't justify paying the price for a Shogun

I think shogun would match for dress up watch, so in the name of subjectivity, i would give 9 for shogun design, 5 for sumo and i would do the same for their factor x. My final result would be 81 to 74 for shogun.

What’s the daily accuracy of the both watches?which one is your favourite and any issues while using these watches?

Wish the Shogun was more reasonably priced. It would've been a no brainer for me since I prefer titanium to steel by a large margin. But double the price of the Sumo is a little too much.

Wow awesome comparison on both of these amazing watches . I am bias like you owning the Blumo so I may have added points more to the Sumo. However I will say this the shogun is outstanding, just wish it was made in stainless steel. I think if Seiko had made a stainless steel version of the shogun as well as titanium I would of been all over it . Again own the Blumo and my favorite by far but a shogun in stainless steel would definitely be a winner for me 👍🏻

Sooo if you had chosen the black Sumo instead of the Blumo it would have tied or even won the comparison ? I've just never been drawn to the Shogun at all really. The Sumo (to me) is very unique and given the rather large price difference is just a better piece. My only issue with the Sumo is it's size is on the extreme limit of wearability for my wrist size.

Sumo for me, love everything about it.

I prefer the bezel, hands and the 4 o’clock winder on the Sumo.

Great video. You are paying almost double for the Shogun, which has the same movement and the same crystal. Your paying a huge premium for the titanium. There are more affordable titanium watches, such as the Steinhart Ocean 500, which has a Sapphire crystal, a display caseback with sapphire, an ETA 2824-2, and 500m wr for $564 US.

I have both and the shogun has got more wrist time because it looks better and wears lighter. Sumo has that ugly big font on the bezel insert and I think the 20mm bracelet is too big for its huge case. My MM300 case is smaller than sumo case. I don't want to mod this sumo because I'm afraid it's going to decrease its value and I wan't a watch that looks good stock, so I'm probably going to sell it.

I hope they'll launch Shogun with saphire in Baselworld 2020

Ive had both, faults with both but the shoguns bezel action was shocking and at the beach sand got in there very easy i’d buy the sumo before shogun at the price

My Shogun bezel is much more difficult to turn.

The Sumo seems to be a bargain, but on looks alone, I love the Shogun, it’s proportions are lovely and I think I’d find the Sumo just too bulky and heavy. It seems a shame that Seiko have decided to build a watch with a case of 44mm and then put 20mm band on it, which is very rare for a Seiko diver. Change the cheap looking graphics on the bezel( and use tougher material, like sapphire/ pvd)make the lug width 22mm and use the hands off the monster/ Shogun, (not bothered with sapphire crystal) and you have unbeatable diver for little extra cost......I’d buy one of each colour!

Shogun Every time

point design not agree Sumo more exclusive 7 to 9

Hi, exat my problem now to decide me. Not quite the same, as sumo model comes the new green Hulk in the decision. In the ranking she would be superior to the shogun because of the new 6r35 movement and Saphire. Maby I hang on a littlebit more to the Hulk, because I'm afraid that the Shogun not shines like a Stainless Steel. In Stainless Steel it would be no question.. Shogun. What a serious hard decision. So long Steppe

hi 5 years later I have to say something, in my opinion steal watches are ones with better durability, some how titanium watches I have they are getting with time layer of oxidation and this is very easy to scratch even with your nail and looks very ugly, so less weared titanium watches looks more bitten than steal ones, atleast in my collection

Sumo is "bang for the back" in comparation with Shogun. Shogun in reality , should not cost more than $ 450 max

Hm... These are two Seiko watches that didn't grow on me for the longest time. However, with time the Sumo started to grow on me in the last couple of months. And with the newest release of the Sumo Gen3 with the 6R35 at Baselworld I got interested again. In my search I stumbled upon the Jade or Emerald Sumo SZSC004. That thing just *POPS* - incredible presence! I got a good deal and that watch is on its way to me right now. The newest Gen3 with all the new bells and whistles doesn't interest me the slightest with the thinner bezel numerals... really boring watch. The green version SPB103 is especially boring with that "forest robin hood old man bavarian lederhosen green" lol. The SZSC004 is a totally different configuration of green and emerald that like I said pops like nothing elese I have seen for a long time. And the Shogun is still as boring as boring can be.

I hate that music! It is used for 90% of the animal videos on RU-vid. Do they provide music to choose from?

Titanium is not more durable then stainless steel. The only advantage Titanium has is that it is lighter. Titanium will scratch easier then stainless steel. Nice review.

Cant agree with the versatility ivan the scores should b the other way round. The blumo could easily second as dress watch. Ps didnt like that ch***y comment from one of your viewers recently. Alsheff

Neither...SBDC001 the OG

Who wants a Seiko watch like the Shogun that looks like a Steinhart or any other Rolex homage ?...I rather have the Sumo for half the price that have an original design, same movement, Saratsu polishing