'Combo Expression' is in Fact a Real Part of Fighting Games 

Of course, you need to manage mental health bars.

me and some buddies who played fighterZ would just never tech and let blue combos rock it could get wild

Me when I do Azrael 5a>5a>5a>..... in the corner when they get hit with big boot

Pulling off three supers in a row in SF Ex +alpha was euphoric when I was 10. The satisfaction of that would indicate to me that combo expression is 100% a thing.

Me trying to doing FAZZ Sumo combos in Gundam MBON

This is every platinum players mantra

trip up the enemy by appearing less competent than you actually are. the rage is delicious though

Seek the combos with the most amount of annoying voice clips.

Long drawn out combos are the way to go especially if it's just one move.

@@DayFul Hell yeah! Sun Tzu wasn’t the kinda guy to sugarcoat things…

This is why my main game is Melee, every combo is open ended or a mixup. Basically anything past the 4th hit goes custom.

@@Lowtendo Isnt this because Smash has DI n shit though? And then Melee has even more crazy stupid defensive options mid-combo like slide-off etc?

AC goes crazy with expression. I remember noticing this while watching Machaboo, Ain and Roz play Ky. While all of them were really good, none of them played the character the same way. Same for Satou, Omitto and Jonnio on Johnny or En, Hase and Tanabata on Slayer for example. Each player had a very unique style and this was one of the major things that drew me into the game back then.

@@sirwilczek1813 DI isn't as useful in the other games, that's what sets melee apart. DI, SDI, ASDI, slide-offs, and tech choices are all mid combo defensive options. That's why you'll never see melee in a Will It Kill, because technically all combos are escapable.

@@LowtendoI’m sorry you had to hear this from me, but melee has been in will it kill. Like, twice.

It's why i miss Riot Kick. I really hate how much moves was gutted out for Strive just for the sake of "streamlining" the movelist. I don't give a shit about what's optimal i want to do cool stuff like have a real install super.

Fuuuuuuck they're not wrong, they think people just Enter The Blender and there is No Escape I think getting into FGs also has a habit of matchmaking at the extremes being really rough, so if you just futz with Ryu in training for 10 minutes and then jump online, you're gonna get given some mix-up and oki and feel like you just Did Not Have A Visible Option, there's not really a good solution to this in terms of matchmaking(extreme ends of ranking scores are always super erratic) and not a ton in terms of game design, its really hard to organically confer the info about how to handle mix-ups all at once, you can express How You Lost but How To Not Lose is not as easy, and sometimes its just shit like Urien Aegis stuff I love FGs but they can be opaque in some really hard to resolve ways which make that mindset more common

@@syrelian Yeah, visual and feeling feedback is kinda not there, though they're getting better, with games having big counter hit (or punish counter) hitstop and visual effects, things to show you've been crossed up or blocked the wrong height, but things like, when is my blockstun done, or when do I get off the floor, kinda have to be learnt (to a degree), and just need repetition, which, to get on a basic level, can be annoying.

I know what combo you’re talking about and it’s sick

Just start downplaying Sol. Easy W

Good Oki and spacing is worth a hell of a lot more than removing another 5% HP with some sickass flips, after a point, combo optimization becomes a Win More, if I kill you in three solid interactions, it doesn't matter if I do 35, 40, or 45%, its still three interactions, obviously in an actual match things get more nuanced with chip and fireball hits and unconfirmed pokes and stuff, but there's a deep depth of "Optimizing meterless/low meter BnBs" that is of significantly lower value than just improving your interaction game Basic combo grasp is necessary because it reduces the interactions you have to win to... Win, but its not the end-all-be-all of FGs

hehe jin hellsweep b2,1 rage art

I remember when Toph was playing a random net play Fox and went.... wait a minute, is this Leffen? This feels like Leffen and it totally was.

We are a tightly knit community, shit gets around

"hmm today i will post something controversial and then turn replies off"

Dude so hardcore he does the combo he killed his friend with. Just kidding, heart warming story. I'm sure they would be proud

If there is such a thing as a heaven, i'm sure your friend's still looking down and jokingly calling you a scrub after all this time shit man, that's what *i* would do

This post goes so hard. 💪💪💪

Those are some whack commentators sounds like lol.

ah yes, the Fenritti Special

legit, immediately thought of Sako combo

Julia in Tekken tag 1 - wonder juggle and that was birthed from someone moaning about her on the Tekken Zaibatsu forums.

You know you've become a FGC legend when they name a certain move after you, UmeShoryu for example

As a new player I found strive to be way easier to understand and create combos, the lack of an air tech and the way you can juggle characters made it way more enjoyable to make up and execute combos than xrd.

I feel like the combo expression is still there in the current version of Strive but it’s like weirdly inconsistent. Ky has plenty combo expression in his routes from the changes to cS dash cancel, FA changes and jH jD changes which gives him grounded dash cancel routes, ground to air back to ground routes, grounded SS FA routes, SS VT loops, or AA air routes. Ky is a seasoned white bread character now. But then you get cases like Sol where he lost combo expression ever since release turning into HVV man. Most other characters have received better changes though like Anji, Millia, HC, Gio, Testament, May and Chipp.

as an Xrd and Plus R player, there's a whole lot more than just the gattling changes that make Strive feel like it lacks combo expression.

@@GS_CCC I don't see why gatling had to be messed with and multiple characters being dumbed down and had removed options to succeed in anything you just said. like why would having no air techs be a positive?

I mean it's a lot more than just gatlings (changed hit effects, wall simply existing leading to combos being forced to be certain ways and homogenizing the corner combos you see by default), but it's definitely a part of it. I just hate that they're universal so they can't make interesting moves any more, they all have to be standard "5K is a mini poke, 6P is an anti air that hits like this and has this frame data, 6H is always a big swing combo move that's you break the wall with" etc etc

You sound like a strive shill

when you just have to win with gold burst Pot Buster PRC'd into HPB to let them know. Sometimes you just have to flex

Evil

Moood, and hey, that Works, you can build upon it, or change it, but the fact it functions in the first place is important, you can get somewhere with that rather than going "LIGHT PUNCH" twenty times in neutral and never getting anything resembling advantage

In some ways its really obvious at low skill levels, I'm a dogshit player but I like Skullgirls a fair bit, and my lack of skill means I have some very predictable things I do that are hard for me to mix up largely due to not having comfortable alternatives, so its easy to see its Me because I use the characters a certain way, someday I'll hopefully grow out of that, but I enjoy myself well enough

Admitting this alone has put you leaps and bounds ahead in your journey

One could argue if you had a combo memorized down to muscle memory, you could turn a stray hit into that combo and thusly stop flailing constantly

Bro they’ve never played a fighting game.

EVO finals somebody will burn themselves out and win the round

The Marissa Vs Manon fight was it, Manon dumped all her resources in the last round but failed to seal the deal and got destroyed in burnout.

It isn't like Strive has no player expression, it just has waaay less than XRD (since it has way less stuff than Xrd) it's like going from anti grav to earth's gravity.

That's all fine and dandy The problem is the people i've seen didn't say "strive has waaay less expression than Xrd", they said "Strive has NO expression"

They play Nago for three seconds and think 5s, 5s, 5s is literally all he does. They’re right, of course. But that’s on the fault of the players. :)

I mean they are not wrong, Strive barely has combo/player expression. You lot can't praise Strive for being simplified and "accessible", then get angry when we call the game out for the consequences of being simplified and "accessible", which are low character power,weak system mechanics,lack of characters special moves,lack of combo variety,lack of player expression, volatile game,lack of player options, and honestly a boring game to watch. Remember, every action has a reaction.

What region do you play in? Please, I’m new to Rev 2 and need someone to play against.

@@funkuro Europe.

@@morzathoth919 YES. does Xrd have Crossplay? If so I’m a psn user. Please. I need games.

@@funkuro Doesn't seem like there is crossplay from a quick search, no.

@@morzathoth919 from quick search?

Damn, he's Sajam.

Oh you're a Sajam fan now?

That’s Latif.

not sure how expression has anything to do with that. expression and ability/skill aren't the same thing. its also good to remember that wining alone isn't actually the only major goal when talking about this subject. If that was the case you would just pick a top tier and do whatever strongest combo possible.

@@joedatius This controversy is something that pops up repeatedly, in the context of all sorts of endeavors (mostly games). The exact form it takes varies, but it always boils down to: Is there such a thing as a "correct" option? If there is such a thing, then it logically follows that the other options are incorrect (or less correct, if you prefer milder phraseology). But people *hate* this idea and they put forth various arguments against the existence of a "correct" option. Most of them can be boiled down to: * No one can prove that any given option is the correct one, so they must all just represent varying degrees of immeasurable correctness * No human has the ability to consistently find and act upon the optimal option in all circumstances, so for all practical purposes an optimal option does not exist This is where AI comes in. AI finds the correct options that "can't be found" and it executes them at a level that "can't be performed", revealing that the thing we call "expression" just describes varying degrees of sub-optimal play. "Expressiveness" is just a colloquial measure of how sub-optimally a person can play and still have a decent chance of winning.