Compelling Reasons to Doubt Mormonism!: RFM: 280 

Thank you for stating this. This thought was in my mind as well

When they’re dead, if their “mistake” was supposedly using the wrong word “Mormon” it’s ok for the reigning “prophet” to declare at gen con that Pres Monson made a grave mistake by his use of the word. Fear not though, the reigning prophet has courageously defied satan’s influence, essentially banning said evil word. Well at least monson didn’t marry kids so there’s that 🤔

😮I did not know this.

Sealed as a slave…my shelf is now toothpicks

@@jessicathurston6494 Now you know. It's sickening. And Kryin' Kyle is sick for using her as an example of receiving a reward for being obedient to your oppressors.

@@KidFreshie BIBLE is the only book which: heals, guides, judge, warns, helps. Bible guides souls out from Babylon. Bible helps to let go from Babylonian entertainments. Bible helps us see, what has value. Bible fills souls with knowledge, with peace. Bible clears out future, for both, for the saved and for the lost. Bible gives us stories from which to learn, and through which GOD warns us, the generations lived after. Don+t stay muslim, catholic, Hindu, new ager, atheists, ignorant, satanic, Mormons, dont be a thief and a robber. John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. Religions are masonic lies, false ways into heaven which masons have made. Follow not nor believe masons, who give you lies after lies. Seek out CHRIST, follow HIM and leave lies behind and your old life in the BABYLON: Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

@@theharshtruthoutthere The bible says that god murdered all of humanity so one guy could start a zoo boat.

You could try and deconvert your former investigators (if any actually joined.)

@@Themanyfacesofego I escorted one through the temple even...makes me sick thinking the "church" had me out there lying my ass off for two years to anyone who would listen.

Don't feel too guilty for recruiting for the cult when you didn't know better. You had not yet been enticed any other way, so you didn't have agency at that point. Logic is prevailing, the church's growth is screeching to a halt, and most of our converts are capable of finding their own way out of the church just like we had to.

Facts should Matter Right, Have just 1 Member of Pagan organization started by a Nut in 1830 name Joseph Smith to Show you the scripture about Joseph Smith restoring the gospel book and Verse in the Bible

@@chrissessions6108 That a very charitable way of looking at it. Thank you for the kind words!

Contempt ... yes. He spits the words

It's an inconvenient truth.

I recently read “ Faith After Doubt” by Brian McLaren. It was very helpful to me as I walk this new faith journey. Enjoy!❤

and also very funny...your combination of humor and logic is "COMPELLING."

“as for Parley Pratt and Orson they sayed they ware truly convinced that the charges which were Layed to Br Joseph the season past ware actuly falts [false] and they was now fuly perwaided in there own minds that Joseph had done the Best that he could considering all things they confessed that there minds had ben darkened their hearts hardened and they had sayed many things against the prophet that they ought not to have sayed” … Eliza Ann Carter, ca. September 1837

@@joshharrison1160 I agree with you, Josh, RFM has a great sense of humor and his loud laughter is an absolute classic!!!! I could listen to him for hours!

@@harryabelpotter9630 Thank you for sharing that quote, Harry, always good to investigate further and see all sides.

Well said. I agree 110%

Actually let me correct myself… I agree 100%. We all know there is no such thing as 110% Just like we all know that RFM is spot on here and Kyle is just spouting total BS. Great stuff by RFM!

Aww yes, but the “best and brightest “are coming over to this side. 😅

I am an adult convert to the Church. Born 1952 & baptized 1977. I read the Book of Mormon before I was baptized and was shocked to find how many saints had not read the BoM from beginning to end. Personally ... I received a huge, great big testimony on the day I was baptized. Over time, I began to wonder why a similar experience had not happened to everyone in the Church.

@@harryabelpotter9630 How do you define "testimony"? Can you describe the "huge, great big testimony" that you received on the day you were baptized?

@@TEAM__POSEID0N (\____/) ( o ' . ' o) ()( ......... ) PICHACHU . RE: 2 Nephi 1.15, This is a scripture that expresses my personal witness better than I could ever hope to: . But behold, The Lord hath redeemed my soul from hell; I have beheld his glory, And I am encircled about eternally In the arms of his love . You know... that kind of stuff. . peace. .

@@harryabelpotter9630 So, to sum up, your "testimony" consists of a "pichachu" drawing and the quoting of an incoherent bit of religious babble from the Book of Mormon. I was hoping for something more personal and specific, but not really expecting it. So, a passage from the Book of Mormon consisting of non-specific, undefined abstractions ("redeemed", "hell", "his glory", "encircled about eternally in the arms of his love") expresses your "personal witness" better than you can? Even though it's supposedly your PERSONAL witness? So we're back to Morris Albert: "Feelings...nothing more than feelings..."

@@harryabelpotter9630 Harry Potter, do you also have a "personal witness" concerning Gryffindor and Slytherin? Or just Pichachu and an eternal encirclement in the arms of his love?

You can’t reason with a TBM

Not me Debbie. I would be in his face!

@@markkrispin6944, I’d love to be an observer to that encounter as well :)

Why would you want to? He won't change his mind, and you'll walk away frustrated. Better hills than that to die on.

Get out of that cult😊

Because a lot of people stay with the lie is a reason???

@@johnrowley310 Maybe it's a lie that keeps people from joining. They get people so focused on something negative that they become blind to the overwhelming positives. I raised my kids in the church and they are all happily married and raise happy kids. The church had a huge influence on their lives keeping them out of drugs and bad relationships especially their missions which solidified their confidence in themselves. My friends who hated the church raised kids who easily fell into promiscuity and kids born out of wedlock which led to divorce and alcoholism. Some are in jail. I can't stress enough how it makes a huge difference in most kids lives. Some fall away but most today still live the good life. The only thing that will keep the church from positively effecting kids is a few parents who were too strict about the church and didn't know how to have fun with their kids and give them enough love. The church only works with people who love Christ not use the church as a threat. Otherwise there is nothing better especially if you go outside the church it's a societal constant downer.

@@paulgregersen3570 This is such a broad and faulty generalization. I have church active friends whose children have veered off the path such you described above. I also have nonmember friends who have raised well adjusted, happy and mentally healthy families without The church affiliation.

@@blckprsthd4791 Yes, I have friends who are not members who have great kids. I simply enjoy an LDS family where we worship God together with greater joy. A feeling of eternity that we all share when we all get together and often pray together and share spiritual experiences. Even the sad times where we often reflect on our long lost relatives who have died or by sharing the good times are priceless. Without the church we would not have the same eternal bonds. I simply love the gospel and Jesus Christ and no amount of negative propaganda can take that away. Once my daughter got into a terrible bike accident colliding head on with another bicycle both going at high speed. She was unconscious for hours with a black tumor on her brain in the x-ray. They had to immediately life flight her to another hospital where my son and I administered to her by the power of the priesthood. The doctor before the surgery needed a second x-ray. The doctor came back amazed and bewildered and said the injury to her brain was completely gone and she literally had no more pain and we took her home. My grandfather was on a mission in Denmark and baptized 17 people in one day. A bunch of Christian magicians were pretending they had the power of God and were gaining people as converts by raising tables and objects into the air. People were so amazed they were all joining their church. My grandfather saw that he was going to lose the people he was teaching was ammediately prompted to stand up on his feet in the audience whereby commanded the ministers by the power of the priesthood to stop their wicked deception. Suddenly their props and tables and objects would no longer function. The head minister became furious and shook his hand at my grandfather and cursed him. From that very audience the two people he was converting were joined by 15 others who were all baptized the next day. Many more things have happened that make my faith unshakeable. As for the CES letter and the book of Abraham I completely destroyed their claim in my video titled (BOA ep 16) Hundreds are trying to debunk it right now and all give up after they see how the smoke and mirrors have tricked them.

The Mormon Cult Church has several offshoots as well. So what's your point. We can say the same shit about your Mormon cult religion too. You must be on some good drugs!

Most of them are like McKay. Most of them owe their positions to nepotism and cronyism. By the time they are elevated to positions of high authority (and good salaries) in church leadership, they're so invested in the system and organization (and the relatives and friends who elevated them) that they definitely will choose to choose to believe, against all compelling reasons to doubt...just like McKay. ;o)

God would have stoned Joseph Smith to death. Rightfully so .

Joseph Smith was the living embodiment of "priestcrafts". "Hey, the Lord says all of the members of the church need to gather in Kirtland and buy property there, but let me first buy a bunch of land cheap, so that I can then sell it to you when you get here at a price equal to 20 times more than I paid for it." Sure, Joe Smith was a misunderstood innocent little lamb.

@Mark Krispin well Joseph did pay the price and was killed in the outskirts of "New Jerusalem" unless that was already part of his mission, to die as part of his testimony regardless of how faulty in performance, Jonah tried to skip on Ninevah

Joe doinked young girls

​@@boydpease4103 Can you please Read that to me about New Jerusalem being built in Jackson county Missouri in the Bible book and Verses ( I'll wait)

I agree with you Patty. Brainwashing is a hell of a drug!😊

i wouldn't call it a miracle. just mastery of manipulation.

There is no brainwashing nor gaslighting .... It's all about families and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

@@harryabelpotter9630 which is what someone who's been brainwashed would say.

@@chlyri Well ... I do know that brainwashing is a pseudo-scientific myth.

Not really. According to brother Brigham she will make it to the celestial kingdom but only as a servant. Imagine having to serve that &*^%$ for eternity.

​@@senorbb2150 If I was her, I would give Brigham my middle finger.

He did her a huge favor? What types of drugs are you on?

Mormonism =RACISM

Right, Eddie Van Halen was music…

“Back in Black “ 🎉

AC/DC

riiight?! That fake crying crap would have been unendurable whether or not the logical fallacies and circular thinking didn’t bore me to death!

Most of Christianity today, has a very different Jesus from the one revealed in the Bible. Christ told his followers to give up all their possessions ( Luke 14:33) Today hardly any of His followers do this.

@@Themanyfacesofego wrong. Christanity has held to the same jesus. Break a way churches have adapted jesus to their liking and call themselves cgristians but the mark of a christian is followibg the biblical jesus as recorded in the bible and not as depicted by self proclaimed proohets

What is your actual question? Pretty sure everything didn't say that. The whole reason LDS missionaries go out is to make other people doubt their current faith and join the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints.

@@bobareturned he said anyone who would cause anyone to doubt their faith is working with the Adversary (or something like that), so when missionaries try to persuade "investigators" to doubt their faith and replace it with Mormonism they are doing the exact same thing. So are the missionaries Satans little helpers since they give people compelling reasons to doubt?

The Lord God, Jesus is an exalted man. Wherefore, God hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name … (Philippians 2.9)

John 1:1 The Word Became Flesh 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus Christ is God incarnate, God in the flesh who dwelt among us. He was never an exalted man like you and I.

To: @@timrobertson6440 Re: John 1.1 ... 1 of 3 This verse has been a source of much debate among Bible scholars and translators. ... and I quote " . "The Word," a translation of the Greek λόγος (logos), is widely interpreted as referring to Jesus, as indicated in other verses later in the same chapter.[5] For example, “the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14; cf. 1:15, 17). This and other concepts in the Johannine literature set the stage for the Logos-Christology in which the Apologists of the second and third centuries connected the divine Word of John 1:1-5 to the Hebrew Wisdom literature and to the divine Logos of contemporary Greek philosophy.[6] On the basis of John 1:1, Tertullian, early in the third century, argued for two Persons that are distinct but the substance is undivided, of the same substance. In John 1:1c, logos has the article but theos does not. Origen of Alexandria, a teacher in Greek grammar of the third century, argued that John uses the article when theos refers to "the uncreated cause of all things." But the Logos is named theos without the article because He participates in the divinity of the Father because of “His being with the Father.” The main dispute with respect to this verse relates to John 1:1c (“the Word was God”). One minority translation is "the Word was divine." This is based on the argument that the grammatical structure of the Greek does not identify the Word as the Person of God but indicates a qualitative sense. The point being made is that the Logos is of the same uncreated nature or essence as God the Father. In that case, “the Word was God” may be misleading because, in normal English, "God" is a proper noun, referring to the person of the Father or corporately to the three persons of the Godhead. With respect to John 1:1, Ernest Cadman Colwell writes: The absence of the article does not make the predicate indefinite or qualitative when it precedes the verb, it is indefinite in this position only when the context demands it. So, whether the predicate (theos) is definite, indefinite or qualitative depends on the context. Consequently, this article raises the concern that uncertainty with respect to the grammar may result in translations based on the theology of the translator. The commonly held theology that Jesus is God naturally leads to a corresponding translation. But a theology in which Jesus is subordinate to God leads to the conclusion that "... a god" or "... divine" is the proper rendering. . John 1:1 in English versions . The traditional rendering in English is: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Other variations of rendering, both in translation or paraphrase, John 1:1c also exist: 14th century: "and God was the word" - Wycliffe's Bible (translated from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate) 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863) 1864: "the LOGOS was God" - A New Emphatic Version (right hand column) 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading) 1867: "and the Son was of God" - The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible 1879: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979) 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible (R. Young, 1885) 1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[13] 1924: "the Logos was divine" - The Bible: James Moffatt Translation, by James Moffatt.[14] 1935: "and the Word was divine" - The Bible: An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.[15] 1955: "so the Word was divine" - The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.[16] 1956: "And the Word was as to His essence absolute deity" - The Wuest Expanded Translation[17] 1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958); 1962, 1979: "'the word was God.' Or, more literally, 'God was the word.'" - The Four Gospels and the Revelation (R. Lattimore, 1979) 1966, 2001: "and he was the same as God" - The Good News Bible. 1970, 1989: "and what God was, the Word was" - The New English Bible and The Revised English Bible. 1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" - Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany 1975: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975); 1978: "and godlike sort was the Logos" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin 1985: “So the Word was divine” - The Original New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield.[18] 1993: "The Word was God, in readiness for God from day one." - The Message, by Eugene H. Peterson.[19] 1998: "and what God was the Word also was" - This translation follows Professor Francis J. Moloney, The Gospel of John, ed. Daniel J. Harrington.[20] 2017: “and the Logos was god” - The New Testament: A Translation, by David Bentley Hart.[21] source: Wiki You can read the article for yourself. . TO BE CONTINUED .

@@timrobertson6440 Re: John 1.1 ... 2 of 3 2nd-ly Here is info from one Latter-day Saint scholar's perspective... and I quote " As Far as it is Translated Correctly: The Problem of Tampering with the Word of God in the Transmission and Translation of the New Testament by John F. Hall Translation of the Text of the New Testament [nine paragraphs down] Since through the earlier English translations they utilized, as well as by their own direct consultation, the King James translators had relied heavily on Jerome’s Vulgate translation of fourth century Greek New Testament texts, many problems in translation seem ultimately to trace back to choices and selections made by Jerome, namely which meaning of multiple meaning Greek words must have been indicated, and which Latin words were best suited to render that meaning. @ I recall my excitement in a class taught over thirty-five years ago by Professor Hugh Nibley when the problem of translating words with multiple meanings was discussed. His proof text was John 1:1. The Greek word arche had several meanings corresponding roughly to the English beginning or first in chronological order. But the word could also mean first in order of rank, or it could mean a gathering of those who were first in order of rank. Indeed, in Greek secular writings it often indicated a ruling council. Jerome chose a good word to translate it- the Latin principium. It possessed both chronological and politico-sociological meanings, either first in time or first in rank. English had no equivalent with multiple significance. The King James translators made their selection on the side of chronology in using the word beginning. Another key word in the verse was logos. To it are attached a host of meanings ranging from the simple word to study, logic, speech, spokesman. Displayed on the overhead is the entry on Logos in the Liddell, Scott, and Jones Greek Lexicon. [During the lecture, which I transcribed, there was an overhead which is referred to. For a similar source, you can Google: The Online Liddell-Scott-Jones Greek-English Lexicon. Enter logos in the search box. The listing of entries is quite extensive.] It will provide you some notion of the sometimes ponderous labor that goes into making the selection of a word meaning. No single Latin word contained so wide a range of meanings so Jerome had to make the choice; he selected verbum meaning simply word, no more no less. So we read in John 1:1 - in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. Suddenly Nibley excitedly exclaimed, “no, no, no. Isn’t this what John’s Greek must have really meant- in the ruling council was a spokesman and the spokesman was in the godhead, that is among the gods, and the spokesman was himself a god.” Well, I leave it to you to decide which of the multiple meanings you prefer. I trust you recognize the theological gulf behind these choices between multiple meanings. Which one do you suppose best fits Pres. J. Reuben Clark’s call for “an accurate translation that shall be pregnant with the great principles of the restored gospel.” One of my favorite translation problems is found nine times throughout the writings of John. The phrase “if you love me keep my commandments” or its permutation “if one loves the Savior, let him keep his commandments” is found in a number of like variations in the King James Version. However, it may, in fact, mean a great deal more than appears on the surface. Now it is true that the word keep has changed meaning in the 400 years between our time and that of the King James Translators. The word keep then had something to do with guarding. We still use the old term the keep of a castle, for example. That meaning is also found in our use of the term “keeper” such as goal keeper, in games like soccer, or even Harry Potter’s “quidditch.” The Greek word that is rendered as keep is the verb tereo. In Greek it is actually very technical in its meaning; it is almost always used in a military context and is rendered stand watch as a sentry. The word that follows, entole, can mean commandment but is more generally instruction. Were I to render John’s Greek contained in this passage into the English, my translation would be “if you love him, stand watch as a sentry awaiting his every instruction.” Why did not the King James translators give us a more technically correct translation? The answer is clear. It was beyond the scope of their theology and theology correct by Church of England standards was one of their primary considerations. The passage in the Greek is actually about continuing revelation. If we love the Savior we stay in tune with the spirit and stand watch as sentries to receive his instructions for guidance within the sphere of our stewardships, thereby receiving assistance in knowing what we should do to be better servants of the Lord. For the King James translators there was no more revelation. For them the only instructions were commandments of the sort engraven on stone at Sinai. For us the Lord’s instructions come by way of revelation to our living prophets and as inspiration of the spirit to all faithful followers. Our theology agrees with John in this matter and our translation can, in fact, allow the technical Greek of his writing. TO BE CONTINUED . Re: John 1.1 ... 3 of 3 3rd-ly Wherefore, God hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name … (Philippians 2.9), The scripture in effect says that God exalted Jesus. Here's more biblical evidence. This Jesus God was raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God. … (Acts 2) . Now ... what else did you say? Oh ya ... Jesus Christ is God incarnate, God in the flesh who dwelt among us. ABLE RESPONSE exactly. Jesus, God the Son, is a member of the Godhead and took upon Himself flesh . He was never an exalted man like you and I. ABLE RESPONSE I have no idea what you mean by an exalted man like you and I ,,, but ... both biblical scriptures that I quoted tell us that God the Father exalted His son who once was incarnate ... meaning his spirit took upon flesh ... in other words, he was a man. . You have your P.O.V. and I have given you a few pieces of evidence to help you understand our P.O.V. You choose. Or ... are you allowed to choose. Are you allowed to consider scholars from outside of your circle of faith. Can you look at scholars other than Pastor White and consider alternate interpretations. Or ... are you your own man meaning are you yourself an actual scholar. Personally, my education is limited in respect to religion. My minor for my undergraduate degree was philosophy with an emphasis on Religious Studies but I've tried to do "a little" study on my own. In any case... We wish you well, sir.