LDS Bishop Speaks Out At His Own Disciplinary Court 

I am so sorry but happy you are on a different path😭❤️

@@rachell6526 Thank you❤️

You weren’t victimized. I can see by your attention seeking behaviors that you are not being truthful & honest with not only others, but with yourself. Sometimes it can be difficult to accept our shortcomings and come to God through the Holy Spirit and admit we need change in our lives. I pray that you can find your way off this path of sin, destruction, doom, lies, and depravity that you have chosen. Have a nice day.

@@macysondheim thank you for your comment. And I pray that the Lord forbids that you have to go through the hell that I had to go trough!!!!

@@macysondheim you realize you are perpetuating just the sort of behavior that Saskia endured right? I find your post incredibly ironic. I always wonder why the response from LDS members is to attack those either outside the church or leaving the church.

He excommunicated himself., All they had to say, wow, you did a good job, but if you wanted to be excommunicated for losing faith and testimony , all you had to do is say so. What a freaking loser! And you who go along with him are not too far behind., pussys

Are you sure about that? One thing is to know about the truth and to know and have the truth. There is no truth in you because you are of your father the devil. If bot, testify now and chose this day whom to serve it the God you thought you knew or the unknown God of whom you know nothing about.

⁠​⁠@@malkiyahu self righteous hypocrite u r. If u don’t like the video and comments than keep moving instead of calling people children of the devil. Someone else’s salvation in non of your business. It’s people like you that make it hard to want to go to church.

Jesus is truth. The Bible is verifiable. The Jesus of the Bible is not the jesus of BOM

Fraud?

I feel you sister. More than a decade out and still with mixed feelings. Follow your heart. Pray I can find mine 💔

That IS happening in Australia right now!

​​@@WatchingwaitingG2DI feel sorry for you. All your comments are hateful and show you are not very intelligent. You cant stop the haemorrhaging of members around the world. In my country, there are less than 1,340 still fairly active and very elderly members. It has lost all the young members.

I just recently found out all of this information and at first it was like the bucket of cold water in the face.. Then the disbelief that we were all duped.. Now I’m just pissed!!! I am a lifelong member with pioneer heritage and just now finding this out! My kids all left the church years ago and all these years I was devastated that they did and prayed for them to return.. Now it’s like Thank God they didn’t! They are great kids with good hearts! Im 67 years old almost 68 and what to do at this point as my husband is a believer and he isn’t interested in this history..

I appreciate that!

Notice at 11:32 "He didn't get the translation correct" That is an incorrect statement. As Joseph Smith got nothing wrong. Joseph Smith just didn't render a translation matching the one from that of the arrogant Egyptologists. He was never supposed to have a translation matching up with the one from that of the Egyptologists. The assumption that Joseph Smith's translation was supposed to match up with the one from that of the Egyptologists is indeed the assumption debunking the arrogant Egyptologists. You're supposed to compare the facsimiles to the Book of Abraham, not the facsimiles to the explanation. You're supposed to compare the facsimiles (counterfeit) to the Book of Abraham to show contrast between God and Satan. Paul Gregersen covers this on his videos.

@@richardholmes5676 honk honk honk (_>--==

Why not now? Why would you let your loved ones stumble and fall if you truly believe that man. It is the word of one man against many. We have 200 years in this and witnesses on both sides of the veil. Why will you choose ro believe a stranger in the public arena? Even if the prophet of God and half of the twelve apostles go with the beliefs of that apostate bishop, it could bot put a dent or scratch im the truth. Only a black eye in the church of only two that the can take. And then I her son will hunt you down and avenge her in you and in your children until the third and fourth generation of them that would hate us. We have a firm a foundation. Our testimony is galvanized and fused with Joseph Hyrun and all the apostles and prophets including the ugly and weak ones.

@@malkiyahuwhy r u on this video? Didn’t you hear the general conference talks about engaging in this kinda of arguments or r u one of those that know better than the gospel and general authority?

The Carnal mind never knew God. His exhaustive search for proof of the truth he once embraced is proof and testament that he is a wicked and adulterous men and a sign and proof seeker no different than the Jews and Gentiles who disbelieved the living Christ and his apostles.

I just want you to know that you deserve better. I hear you saying that you don't want to be here and that there is nothing but pain and sorrow. I hope you are seeing a counsellor or will consider doing that. There is happiness and joy out there for you, I promise, but after the abuse you went through your brain is going to tell you the opposite. A counsellor can help you heal and enjoy your life the way you deserve to. I am sending you lots of love. It is not too late to be happy.

Dear Windy day, May the True Biblical Jesus of Nazareth bless and keep you , make His face to shine upon and give you peace . ❤️‍🔥✝️🌹🥺 l I send you my love. I am an exmo who is now a born again Christian. Bless you and yours. 💐

@@inChristalone1960 Thank you so so much. I am grateful 🙏🙏

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@@user-gr9tm4ez7i ❤️😊

Transcript is in the note below the video

@@MormonDiscussionawesome! I will work on getting my language produced!

He lies, wake up. His sources are not credible and have lies all throughout. He just thinks they are credible. People writing books about rumors are not credible sources. Anyone can write a book claiming things. Anyone can write in their journals claiming things. Taking rumor and writing them down DOES NOT all of the sudden become a fact. This guy is crazy!

What was the outcome after his presentation?

You are such a dramatic disease. Even if I were incorrigibly homosexual and addicted to vice, I would still know it is evil and justify the goodness of God than to difame a church and a set of sound rules and doctrine just because they don’t accept or reconcile my wickedness or infirmities.

Your not broken you have a sin nature just like everyone. You need Jesus Christ to give you his Righteousness. For by grace are we saved through faith it is a gift, and not of works.

@@chiefdigger5216- shame on you!! You have no clue what you are talking about! My nephew was the same meaning he tried to be straight and served a mission. I can say without question that as soon as he was 3 I knew he was born gay. No question! He is now struggling with depression because of people like you!!! YOU HAVE A SIN NATURE!

You were robbed from a better testimony for a weak one. Mine saves yours condemns him and you. Good job dummy!

Very true.

He did it all to himself, he recited a PHD dissertation on how to get excommunicated by your own self. You did it all. Aren’t you proud of yourself?

Sending you love and support! You are a good and valuable creation of the divine.

You are juts a firefox waiting for roadkill. You I get, you are a devil, but they I don’t.

“One of the last things which Brigham Young had done before leaving Iowa, was to appear in the pulpit dressed to personate the worshiped and lamented prophet Smith, and confer the prophetic succession, with all its dignities, emoluments, and authorities, upon "President Brigham Young"! The people accepted the pious fraud with the maddest enthusiasm, and Brigham's power was sealed and secured for all time. Within five years after- ward he openly added polygamy to the tenets of the church by authority of a "revelation" which he pretended had been received nine years before by Joseph Smith, albeit Joseph is amply on record as denouncing polygamy to the day of his death.” Mark Twain (Roughing it, pgs. 307)

The Jesus of the bible who is eternal, all powerful and never changing is the truth, the way and the life. The BOM teaches a false god. You are set free to worship the true God and inherit eternal life. God bless.

He could have just sent a letter! All that work for nothing! That Joselh Smith is a good salesman. He employed children of Belial who never knew God to work for him for nothing but greater damnation. He stoned or rocked himself to excomunión.

You are so welcome

Cowards, grow some balls if you have them. Your father the devil does not.

Hi Jennica love your content as well!

It’s not a video. It is audio only.

Yeah. It’s all relative. From one point of view it’s a tiny, insignificant thing. To someone who is totally immersed in the culture, it is EVERYTHING.

Thanks for listening

I noticed this too! This is much better.

Joseph Smith was not a prophet...

Great response, but the church doesn’t live in the dark ages. The church is a product of its time. There were many prairie sex doomsday cults from America at that time. It was very similar to the new age movement in the late 1990’s.

Most members are not interested in history. So it's easy to stay a member when you don't know the problem narratives of LDS history. Despite all this members who leave are upset they were never told the official history of JS and the restoration. About one third of members who leave say they felt lied to by the church.

I think his wife has since left the church.

Latter Day Saint scripture have yet to have been proven as fraudulent works.

Lol... you're right!

If you read the book When Prophecy Fails, it shows even when prophecy/predicted events fail, the people rationalize it and continue in the religion. When Rebbe Schmersson of a Jewish sect was hailed as the "Messiah" everyone rejoiced. He died. That sect rationalized why a Messiah can die and still remained faithful. I see this today with three tax problems the LDS church had in Canada, Australia and the US. Then the SEC ruling and fine over Ensign Peak. No real response to members of the church. However very few regulars left the church. The psychology of religion amazes me.

I believe her journal said he did approach her at 12 but didn’t propose until later. Yes, he was grooming her.

You are like the Washington Post if im forty years you don’t get it, you don’t get it., it took 40 years or so to build Solomon’s temple, the exiles from egypt never hoped to even see it, the their children waited 480 years and perhaps you need to die and go to prison for one thousand years to bend the knee and confess. I thought I was slow, but nobody can beat your record and it ahows!

The Book of Mormon is true, and another witness of the same gospel of Jesus Christ as the Bible. Joseph Smith was a true prophet who worshipped Jesus Christ. The church was infiltrated by wicked men. When Joseph Smith was murdered, Brigham Young usurped control of the church and led some of the saints to SLC, Utah (many refused to follow him). Brigham Young introduced many false doctrines into that denomination including polygamy, men becoming Gods, Adam God, blood atonement of men, penal oath temple rituals, a Heavenly Mother, Lucifer being Jesus' brother, incorrect definition of Christ’s church, etc. None of that is in the Book of Mormon or teachings of Joseph Smith, but Brigham Young and the wicked leaders under and after him have pretended that it came from Joseph Smith in order to gain acceptance for their own evil and lustful desires. The LDS church of today is Brigham Young's denomination and is apostate from the teachings of the church under Joseph Smith.

I agree. For example Russell Nelson wrote about a top hat and seer in a 1993 issue of Ensign. I heard about the Adam-God doctrine early after I was baptized. My branch president had never heard of it. The truth on JS and polygamy and polyandry has recently came out, but the Tanners sent me stuff in 1998 about these issues. The books American Moses, Rough Stone Rolling, and others were wake up calls to me about history never discussed by the church. Members are so ignorant of their own history they will dismiss any source I offer as "anti-mormon" without even reading it. That is the culture of mormonism at work. Have the members self-regulate what they will read and believe.

@@user-og2wt3le4j was it the culture of Mormonism or was it a subculture that seemed to have a prevalent voice in the church? I'm of the latter opinion. Like I said, most of the one's that tried that with me have now left. They keep saying the church was not honest about its history, but I keep having to tell them, no that was you acting on behalf of the church in my case.

You known of seer stones and Adam God doctrine and you still stuck around? 😆

@@user-og2wt3le4j in your readings to you come across “1984” or “Animal Farm”?

@@MeToo-py1tqyou’re very arrogant and judgmental. Former Mormon?

Mormonism has been a lie from its beginnings...

Just type it into your search engine. Other than that??

It would seem 2 B...I'm also an audio guy

The heart of the issue is the false BOM teaches a different Jesus and Father. They are not the God of the Bible but are created and evolving and did not create the Universe- thus not being all powerful or all knowing. Satan is the father of falsity. the God of the bible is Truth, the way and the life. God bless.

@@brettpinion4233 This is not the doctrine of the BoM or the LDS church. LDS believe God created this universe which contains an innumerable number of worlds, but all made by God the Father through Jesus Christ. Further, it is more in line with the henotheism of early Christians than modern protestantism. I have a degree in theology and attended two protestant Bible colleges. As for God being once a man, that is an obscure doctrine the church no longer mentions that God lived in a separate universe and had a God the way we do now, but we have no way of knowing this or what God did before this universe and the billions of planets it makes up. The LDS church has enough problems in it that should be addressed without publishing lies or the supremacy stuff that only those with some kind of exact knowledge about God are saved. Bible makes it clear salvation is through the atonement, not a correct knowledge of the characteristics of the Godhead/Trinity or what they did before the universe was here, it's irrelevant.

@@tribalmotor Thanks for the reply. You bring up some great points which differentiate Biblical Christianity from a man made religion like LDS. What LDS apostles like Brigham Young taught (that was supposedly from god) magically become "obscure" or not a Church position. Unlike the God of the Bible, who never changes and his both perfect truth and justice, LDS can and does change positions and is provably false. You can rejoice that the God of the bible is true, and never lies. "1. The King Follett Discourse. On 7 April 1844 Joseph Smith: "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! . . . I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea" "Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the SAME way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys. I know it is good reasoning.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg 373). in the Sermon in the Grove just weeks before his death. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Apostle Orson Pratt, in The Seer, page 172, “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist…the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many wives, … The son followed the example of his Father" Archeology has found ZERO confirmation of the book of Mormon. The Bible, on the other hand has clear tangible archeological proof of many Biblical cites, rivers,, nations, kings, rulers, coins, (and hundreds of confirmed Bible stories) have been confirmed from professional archeological controlled digs. It is well known in professional archeological circles that the Book of Mormon has failed to find any connection with the extinct nations of South America and the Book of Mormon. All of the "star archeological witnesses" of the Book of Mormon are either flat out rejected as forgeries, fakes, frauds and fabrications (the 4 F's of archeology) or highly suspect since NONE of them came from controlled professional archeological excavations and ALL of them are unprovenanced. For more than 20 years Brigham Young clearly taught as a doctrine the following: “ADAM NOT MADE OF THE DUST OF THIS EARTH” (Journal of Discourses, 2: 6) “ADAM IS THE ONLY GOD WITH WHOM WE HAVE TO DO” (Journal of Discourses, 1:50) “ADAM IS THE FATHER OF OUR SPIRITS” (Deseret News, 14. June 1873) “ADAM THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST” (Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51) Heber C. Kimball, the First Counselor to Brigham Young, also taught: “I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people, and he is the God that pertains to this earth - THE FIRST MAN. THAT FIRST MAN SENT HIS OWN SON TO REDEEM THE WORLD…” (Journal of Discourses, 4:1) Brigham Young had claimed that God Himself had revealed this doctrine to him. Brigham also had claimed that his sermons were “as good as scripture” (J. of D., 13:166). The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's exalted man from another planet who is not eternal, not all powerful, not perfect but evolving, and was polygamous. in summary, Jesus of the LDS Church is not Jesus of the Bible. God of the LDS Church is not God of the Bible. Joseph Smith said that there is “A GOD ABOVE THE FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST…” and in Mormon Doctrine, pages 322, we read, …If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and… God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that he had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father?" God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, which is why he does tell us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

Bill Reel is talking and he and RFM in a prior week episode on Mormonism Live interviewed the person you may be referring to. This is Bill's excommunication trial of about 5 years ago😊

2018 I believe

You’re essentially correct. It is about questioning orthodoxy and the way that “orthodoxy” and “history” continually shifts, changes and alters.

@@papadopp3870 I'll never understand the mental gymnastics mormons go through to explain their history and continually shifting doctrine adjacent to society

If a specific finger length arrangement correlates to a statistical increase in homosexuality, such indicates a genetic or epigenetic connection. Meaning that homosexuality isn’t a choice, but rather a normal minority expression of humanity

Why, I’m happy and living my best life

@@MormonDiscussionI’m glad you’re happy. But you need to realize active members of the church are happy and living their best lives also. What works for one person doesn’t work for another. Interesting podcast but it didn’t harm my testimony. 😊

Wholly Ghost?

@@andreatimmers1720 when your questions are ignored then you should feel wholly ghosted.