RFM: 001: The Great Mormon History Coverup - LDS Leadership's battle vs intellectual honesty 

The church critics have played you for a fool. See how they manipulated the book of Abraham context to make it look like Smith couldn't translate. He got it 100 percent right. See how they tricked you. Link UTube video titled ( BOA ep 16) link my name Paul Gregersen to get there if needed

So happy your eyes are being openned. Bless you on your journey.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lord’s one, true Church on the earth. Those who struggle against the Lord’s true Church and His anointed will struggle only against themselves.

Yeh...dont study brigham young then..his racism..scheming..lying and fraud was inspirational.. 😢​@@herbofallon965

Fair is not Fair.

Exactly what I thought when Packer said covenants: slit throat ear to ear, slice open abdomen from side to side across navel.

You too huh? Sapporo

If you truly don't like cover ups then see how the anti Mormons have played you for a fool. The book of Abraham was translated 100 percent correct and here is the verification they have hidden from you. Link UTube video titled ( BOA ep 16) link My name Paul Gregersen to get there

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Your prophet was an idiot

@J P: and first, it'll piss you off :)

Yes! It’ll Piss you off! But luckily you’ll eventually get past that.

LOL Me, too. As a never-Mo, it appeals to the part of me that watches true crime content. I enjoy the well-crafted denouements.

Considering they said they’re being “transparent” 🙄. Or at least “as best as they know how” 😳. Lol 😂 Aloha 🌺

Because it IS a CULT.

@@vivianboxer6045 Yes, I'm afraid I have to admit that my family on both sides were duped int joining what can only be described as a cult. I can't blame them, information was hard to come by when in the 19th century.

As an exmo… the reason they’re so successful is because they’ve instilled fear in its members… leaving this church is the worst sin of them all… it’s “apostasy”

That's because it is a cult.

Well? How did it go? I'm curious regarding your reading

@@robriley6804 I got sidetracked and ordered the first 10 of 15 books that David Eddings wrote back in the 80's.. much more interesting

I'd like to know too

even tithing has changed!

Because they are all pure Republicans!!! LMAO

@@timhansen234 Now at age 65, I have changed my religion and political affiliation. FREE AND DEMOCRATIC!

Liberals, democrats and Mormons are all fucking worthless

@@timhansen234 I didn’t know that republicans don’t pay their employees.

@@patricianoel7782 Do you have the blue hair now and are you excited about late term abortion also?

Amen

Excuse me I'm a member of the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints and I don't understand your own comment about my religion ☯️! Bye bye 👋👋.

​​​​Please continue to prayerfully research. May God bless you with deep understanding in Jesus holy name. I love the LDS people. ❤️‍🔥🙏

Amen. Praise Jesus the Christ. May we follow Him.❤️‍🔥🙏

Bible told half true and lie about real Jesus and his life

Rough Stone, If you haven't already found him, you may enjoy Expedition Bible youtube channel, Joel Kramer

@@inChristalone1960 OMG are you calling me a ‘Rough Stone”? Did you know my business’ name was Rough Stone Rolling Lapidary or was that just by coincidence?

I didn't know . Ha, l borrowed it from your youtube handle. Great name. 😄

I was a missionary between 2016 to 2018 and I never heard about those stuffs, never related to treasure digging, seer Stones, poliandry or leaders hidden the truth. My apologies for mistakes, I'm still learning English

I am “inactive” (what we used to call A Jack Mormon) a member from 1980 to 1991, and heard all of this in context and met Boyd K Packer in the Eighties and heard him speak at Youth Conferences. I can verify this post is on point. Thanks!

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R B I can tell you how... It is still the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints... We all go to our Father in Heaven and His Son, and read their words.. There is always ample confirmation of their Truth through the Holy Ghost.. Did you ever do that??? Did the Holy Ghost testify to you that the Church is Not True??? No one has to pay tithing either...Go ahead, go against what it says in Genesis... No one is going to hell for not paying tithing.. All of this is just people bashing... Nothing more... Is Anyone on this earth perfect???? Are you, R B??? It is ironic that the cult you call the Church is exactly what you and all these other people have fallen into... Your own bash the people of the Church cult... See how it goes for you when it's time to stand before Him and He asks you what did you do with your life down, there, R B???? What are you going to say you did??? Good luck with that..

@@frandanco6289 Stop bringing that argument that the holy spirit would testify or let you know when something is true. You can't rely on the way you feel to know if something is true or not. All the warm and fuzzy feelings we have and think is the spirit is not, also if the spirit would really let you know when something is real how is that other people from other religions say they also asked God and he let them know that the church they are is the true one. How.is God telling the same to all diferent religions. Seriously facts and evidence is the only way to know is something is true. I have felt the same emotions I had in the church when I watch a movie about a fictional character.

Boyd Packer didnt say suppress information, he implied it. This is gaslighting. NO it wasn't the contribution of the commenter. Packer and other leaders have frightened you so much that it's hard for you to hear the truth. "Prove ALL things , hold fast to that which is good." Thessalonians. It took me several years to find the courage to read anything about the LDS church. When l finally did, l learn they had been lying to me, but God is truly faithful.❤️‍🔥

Means keeping your Mormon gear belt on, tow the line, keep the status quo, and don't back talk the suits in Utah. Where was I ...

"Faith Promoting" means no facts needed, I just beellliiiieeevvveee, and I experience Elevation Emotion so much so that you will continue to pay tithing, teach untruths, remain silent, just to reinforce your Sunken Cost Fallacy that this is the one and only true church. And all those critical thinkers (former Bishops, RS Pres, Prim, YMYW ldrs, Seminary, Institute, Gospel Doctrine teachers who studied their brains out to be the best teacher for eager students) that discovered the Corporation of the First Presc'y has been concealing the truth and lying to the members about actual church history are being deceived by Satan so stay away, shun them, for they must be secret sinners if they found the Truth claims of the church are Lies just like the brethren did at the Secret 1922 Mtgs and every subsequent Q15er.

So, Janice Graham, as terrible as you describe the Church, since the beginning mind you, did You ever get on your knees and pray for Confirmation of the Truth??? Ever???? What was the answer??? Did you ever do what our Savior did all His life and Serve others??? Did you not ever feel the Spirit testifying of the truth??? Comforting you???

@@frandanco6289 I have spent much time on my knees. I rec'd the same confirmation as when I found out salted caramel, dark chocolate covered toasted pecans were the one true dessert. Well until, I discovered gooey caramel popcorn.

Mm hmm 🧐💭😳😟😫🤔♾️!

Was the first vision true? My initial question would be to which of JS’s first vision stories are you referring, since he wrote several and told several others, all of which were long after the described event. Since the official version is also the last version, after undergoing many iterations and changes, it is unlikely to be a true telling. Since the earlier versions don’t match current church doctrine, they are unlikely to be an accepted telling. After studying the versions and background, and speaking only my own belief, the answer to your question is: No, the first vision did not happen, it was fabricated.

@@kylestringham121 I have a hard time believing Joeseph and Hyrum would die for something that was a lie. They didn't gain riches for fabrication of their stories. It was just the opposite. In my own personal experience of being so close to death and being asked a ? about the truth of something I certainly told the truth. Fear has a way of doing that to a person.

@Randy L. Actually, I don’t think they died for the first vision fabrications. By the end, they were playing fast and loose in a lot of areas and making enemies fast. Their polygamy knew no bounds, destruction of the expositor and printing press, etc. They made up their own rules and trampled anyone who got in their way. They got so deep in their own stories that they lost control of the situation, and in the end paid a price. I once had belief as you do now, and I’m glad it works for you. But for me, the mountain of evidence against JS finally stripped me of that belief.

@@kylestringham121 I understand how all the things that are surfacing today with IoT can make one lose faith. It happened to my own son. He is atheist. As for me I just can't believe it all started with a big bang. If I ever believe that I would seek revenge on those people that hurt me and sought to take my life. Survival of the fittest?? There must be a higher law than that!. It can't be government because they are worse than the laws of nature. As for as religion goes I was raised Catholic and knew from an early age that wasn't the truth and every thing else broke off from there. I never was interested in religion from the start. So who knows my friend? Maybe your right but I HOPE not. Take care and ✌.

@@ranjanty JS was a scryer, a con man from teen yrs on. The best cons are the ones that are so fantastically out of possibly true that you then believe it is too fantastic to be made up, thus begins the con. In Kirtland, create an illegal bank, print your own money when you run out of other people's money. Preach the adversary is after us so we need to move. In Nauvoo "run for US Pres", name yourself King, have your goons burn the newspaper about to expose your 33 wives, their ages, their husbands, etc. JS was probably a sociopathic liar. He was so good at it. Then a power crazed, racist, giant of a man ceases control becomes "prophet" by foul means and becomes governor, had his own 3 favorite goons to enforce & eliminate opposition. The rest is all just a cover-up after the 1922 Secret Mormon Meetings (MS episode 1346) where all the truths were discussed and the Q15 decided on the deep vault to hold all secrets from the faithful. That is until Brodie, Quinn, Tanner, Roberts, Arrington, Vogel, Dehlin, Ritner, Decker, Palmer, Larsen, Runnells, Reel, RFM, Streeter, Young, Miller, and THE INTERNET.

When I taught the 16 year olds in SS, I thought it would be great to give them a list of JS’s prophecies. Couldn’t do it. Even his civil war so-called prophecy was retrofitted. Right up to now - the title “prophet” is meaningless. Seer? Revelator? Nope. They can see their way to buy a ranch in Washington ($209m) and a Marriott hotel in Hawaii ($149m) just last week. A nice hardback copy of the BofM is provided in every room which I imagine makes Jesus proud. Meanwhile you can run downstairs to the bar for a Mortini or to Starbucks for a grande Latte de Saints.

@@DancingQueenie Actually I have done some major research on this and this is what I discovered. When Oliver Cowdry attempts to translate the Book of Mormon he tells Joseph he can't see anything. Joseph responded as if coming from God and said " you thought I would just give it to you when you took no thought to study it out on your mind and in your heart. Knowledge + Understanding = Revelation We are the only creatures on this planet that have the ability to learn new information and with that knowledge come up with new innovative ideas. We are so use to coming up with new ideas that we don't really think about where these ideas come from and even scientists today can't figure it out. What happened when someone comes up with ideas without any knowledge? Well that is what we call a guess and sometimes it's an educated guess and then there is another one I call intuitive guess and that's because some people have sensitive intuition. 1) Guess 2) Educated Guess 3) Intuitive Guess 4) Revelation A lot of the inventions that happen today come from revelation. The way you decide to raise your children can be revelation because you know and understand what motivates your child, but sometimes it is an intuitive guess. A seer is someone that can see into the future. For example if you decided you wanted to become a school teacher and you start college, when someone comes up to you and says what are you going to do after college, then you would respond "I'm going to be a teacher" this my friend is a seer. If you see a car heading directly at you and you swerve to miss the car then action you made was because you foresaw the event before it happened and stopped it from happening. A Prophet is literally someone that professess the teachings of Jesus Christ. So if you teach a child not to steal, or to show love to one another then you are acting as a teacher of truth or in other words a "Prophet" and if you teach something that is not true and treat it as truth then that would be a false teaching or in other words a "False Prophet" What does this all mean? It actually means just the opposite of what you stated that they are not prophets, seers, and revelators, but actually ALL Mankind are Prophets, Seers, and Revelators and we do this based on our knowledge and understanding. We can see throughout history how our knowledge and understanding has evolved in order for us to become better people. This also means that the leaders in the church are just as much prophet, seer, and revelators as we are. For example leaders in the church use to say that it is an abomination to have a mixed marriage. Where they wrong? Well of course it was but according to peoples knowledge and understanding back then it was not wrong. There were actually a lot of members objected to the church allowing blacks to have the priesthood. Today the church still take the stand against the LGBQ community, but as we gain more knowledge and understanding about the LGBQ community and people become more comfortable with it, then policy changes happen and sometimes it is even shocking. This doesn't just happen in the Mormon church but all churches are effected.

@@danite1742 Ok then. You’ve done the research so you can give me a list of JS’s top ten prophecies i.e. announcements of future events that actually came about. Learning more about LGBT then making policy changes isn’t exactly leadership much less prophesy. Taking a survey of members’ attitudes about the temple ceremony then CHANGING the ceremony isn’t prophecy. Bending to the will of the US government, changing the policy and denouncing the “new and everlasting covenant” isn’t prophecy. (Not exactly new and certainly not everlasting.) JS secretly “marrying” 30+ women (some of them living in the same house with his wife) and LYING TO HIS WIFE AND STANDING BEFORE THE CHURCH AND BLATANTLY AND REPEATEDLY LYING? That’s bold way of life for a “prophet” of god. He prophesied he’d be struck down by an angel with a flaming sword if specific women/girls refused to marry him but he had no fear of said angel when he LIED to cover his evil tracks. Spending billions of dollars to bulldoze small businesses and build a mall? Denouncing the nickname Mormon? Thousands of baseball baptisms that resulted in the “leadership” forming stakes and building meeting houses that nobody ever attended? Paying Mark Hoffmann hundreds of thousands of dollars for fake documents? Covid? RMN didn’t call in the missionaries or advise the world to prepare. He was obviously stunned by the whole thing. Best he could do was call for a “worldwide” fast. Oops. Didn’t work. Try again. Dang it. Let’s have that list of JS’s prophecies of future events that would warn and prepare the people. Or any of the latter day so-called prophets, seers and revelators’ prophecies for that matter.

@@danite1742 BTW, from the condescending tone and examples you give in your reply, I think you might’ve misread my comment. I’m not a 16 year old hoping to be convinced that JS was a prophet, seer and revelator. I don’t need to hear that “people back then” thought mixed marriages were wrong. Gimme a break. There were two mixed race couples in my ward at the time the church finally bent to outraged public opinion, including protests at BYU basketball games - and they were building a temple in Brazil and realized few Brazilians would be eligible to attend much less officiate. It was a clearly racist policy and the “leaders” didn’t care until it became expedient. I taught the 15/16 year olds for 10 years and one reason they liked me was because I didn’t approach them with that patronizing tone. Several young people mentioned in their missionary farewell talks they appreciated that I spoke to them like they were intelligent adults and lead them to think and discuss.

@@DancingQueenie It's like you just want to vent and through all this stuff out there because your mad at something. What's up with that? You must not have read my whole post. What I said is that we are just as much Prophets, Seers, and Revelators as the leaders in the church. I also explained that we are evolving as a society as we gain more knowledge and understanding.

Please take a deep prayerful reconcideration of all the prophecies of Joseph Smith. One cannot cherry pick his prophecies from the pulpit , lol, dismiss them as him speaking as a man when he was clearly serious. The Biblical standard is ALL prophecy must come true! Hinkley said The LDS follow another Jesus ( paraphased). How is this not IDOLATRY!? the Temple endowment reflects that belief, as well as a dismissal of the Biblical Father God. Smh. 💔 Blasphemy. The LDS have been taught by example that they have the authority to play fast and loose with scripture and prophecy. Joseph Smith was an occultist , Freemason who had demonic influences. Please continue to prayerfully research. Respects.

Why because only one outcome? What they told you? You trust them?

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@rharvey9342 Do you remember the exact day that you voluntarily surrendered you ability to think in a cognitive, rational manner?

You don't have to give any liars any hugs 🤗🙏☮️🕊️🕉️🏳️👍😊 if you don't want to!

Yes they are not glasses nor were they worn by a priest on their eyes

@@Sirach144 The breast plate holds them in place.

Lucifer is trickster gets yeah put on green apron represents his power And his priesthood

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Are you implying that because men in the Bible lied, that it is okay and acceptable for men who claim to be prophets today to lie? Tell me again who is the father of lies?

@@deskjockie4948 You're a looney!

@@zon3665 Name calling is not an answer. You have the opportunity to make your point.

@@DancingQueenie Sorry. It came across looney. He was quoting the Bible to condemn the Bible. Fallacious logic. It was a knee jerk response.

@@zon3665 Read my comment again. I did not condemn the Bible. I used the Bible to make a point, which was, that the Bible tells of men who lie, then I asked if that justifies supposed "men of God" today in lying. Your "knee jerk response" shows that you are not thinking logically.

The thing with analogies is the church is the grand master of using them and it's getting to a point where they've run out of original content and are now recycling and mixing it to come up with the weirdest shit out there... like linking penguins and tragic car crashes??!!! say what?

Whether or not someone had sex in the back seat of a used car is not the issue. That would not affect how the car operated. The issue is that the car did not operate properly and the salesman did not disclose that information.

@@deskjockie4948 EXACTLY!

unless the back seat is filled with 14 yr olds, other men's wives, multiple concurrent wives of the previous owner.

No. The used car analogy would be more like, was there flood damage to the car, and not disclosed? Folks have a right to know the true history of a car’s mechanical issues, AND the church’s history.

By observing it in a hat…🎩

"Why does god need a starship?" Captain James T Kirk

@R B: a quote I try always to keep on hand :)

Unfortunately, they are brainwashed. I have many true-believing family members still. It's painful to watch

@@Bugiddle how arrogant of you.

@@LatterDayPup well, the truth is painful. Sorry.

Satan is as real as the easter bunny.

@@function0077 I'm hesitant to Conclude that YOUVE NEVER MET SATAN I take it?

@@joehinojosa24 As far as I know, I have never met Satan.

@@function0077 Well,when you do around 3 AM, You'll REMEMBER IT.

@@joehinojosa24 People often dream (or less frequently, hallucinate) at night. Dreams and hallucinations of Satan are not evidence that Satan exists. I do not claim that Satan exists. Others that claim Satan exists have not substantiated their claims. This is why I dismiss their claims. This is the same reason why I also dismiss claims about the existence of the Loch Ness Monster or Santa Claus. EDIT: Also, are your comments sincere or sarcastic? I can't tell.

Indeed, I’m joyously out the LDS church. I can objectively say the anti Mormon crowd did hurt their own cause. The book The God Makers, yes there is a book to go along with the comical cartoon, was particularly egregious in the falsehood to truthful assertions ratio lol. Kingdom of the Cults by Walt Martin is far better at sticking to the facts. Anti Mormon literature was a cottage industry in the “ Christian “ world. Another goofy group. The trip to the Christian bookstore was fun back in the 80s, they typically featured entire racks of anti lit for me to “ debunk” lol. Good times NOT! By the way I think J Dehlin might be the most self absorbed person in Utah.

What about the Gospel Topics Essays? All that information covered in those essays… were in the past… considered antiMormon literature… by the CHURCH. NOW THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT IT AS IF THEY’VE ALWAYS SAID IT WAS A PART OF ITS HISTORY.