Converting to Mormonism in High School - Liz Lambson Pt. 1 | Ep. 1723

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Liz Lambson is a Korean/African American artist, musician, and writer, and - along with her spouse Sam - is a parent to five boys residing in Salt Lake City. Liz performs as a string bassist with the Ballet West Orchestra as well as the children’s singer-songwriter Lizzy Luna, the creator of the music-and-movement program Yoga Storytime & Songs. Liz performed for and toured with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra at Temple Square for several years. She released her first album of original children’s yoga music, Reach to the Sky, in 2018. Her writing has been featured in publications including the New Era and the New York Times.
As an active member of Utah’s arts and culture community, Liz formerly served as the Executive Director of the Utah Black History Museum. Her artwork is featured on Salt Lake City’s Black Lives Matter mural at City Hall. Liz is also an aspiring film actress.
In her spare time she enjoys needlework, gardening, road trips, and Scrabble.
We begin Liz’s story with her family and childhood as a biracial Korean/African American struggling to assimilate into white culture. Her mother converted to Christianity and became a religious fanatic, leading to her eventual abandonment of her husband & children. Liz is introduced to Mormonism shortly after and finds Joseph Smith’s early religious confusion relatable. With continued exposure to LDS peers, including a boy who particularly holds her interest, Liz gains a testimony of the Book of Mormon and falls in love with Mormon culture.
Liz also shares her struggles with academic, artistic and spiritual perfectionism in high school. We learn ways Liz gives up pieces of herself as she tries harder to assimilate into Mormon culture and eventually makes the decision to attend BYU.
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“Never Too Soon”
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Chapters
00:06:00 Family background
00:16:00 Assimilating into white culture & mother’s Korean Evangelical conversion
00:33:00 Family culture & mom’s burgeoning religious fanaticism
00:41:00 Mother abandons the family
00:54:20 Introduction to Mormonism
01:05:00 Mormon crush & gaining a testimony
01:18:00 Father’s objections to her increasing participation in Mormonism.
01:27:00 Mormonism meets Liz’s needs: rebellion, “new moms,” feeling wanted.
01:39:00 Academic and music perfectionism/accomplishments.
01:41:00 Additional identity confusion at church & Mormon guilt
02:02:00 Racism in the Book of Mormon, never being able to be white
2:15:00 Graduation, Singles Wards, & BYU
2:28:00 Premiering “Never Too Soon”
Episode Show Notes
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@beetledriver7 Год назад

I had the privilege of crossing paths with Liz when we were both in one of BYU's orchestras. Even though we didn't know each other, she radiated beauty and light at that time that I still remember. She shines even brighter now. It's an honor to hear her story!

@cherylduncan5158 Год назад

I can relate to Liz so much. I joined the church at seventeen and loved every minute of the goodness of the Mormon people. I took it all in for thirty five years.

@harmonbeth5089 Год назад

Liz! I saw your picture on the part 2 thumbnail and thought, "Hey, I think I knew her in high school from youth symphony!" I was right. Thank you so much for sharing your story. It is easy to forget that those we walk beside in life carry experiences so different from our own. As someone carrying my own sadness during those years, I remember feeling like I didn't have to put a mask on around you which is a testament to your authenticity, even as a teenager. Wishing you and your family all the best!

@veronica_sawyer0188 Год назад

I've never met anyone else who talks to characters in their head all the time! I've talked to friends and therapists and people I admire in my head my entire life.

@RIO4LIFE Год назад

I do the same thing - I’m rarely bored 😂 It’s a unique way of processing emotion -

@Nicole543321 Год назад

Me too!!! I think it's called "aphantasia". My mind was blown when I realized other people see things in their head where I can only think in words.

@kajellio Год назад

I do it, too!

@ta1424 Год назад

My daughter does. She has to think it out loud. It’s just the way her brain works.

@cherylmillard2067 Год назад

@@Nicole543321 Aphantasia is the inability to see visual imagery in one's mind, otherwise it's called visual imagery, the extreme ability of this is called Hyperphantasia. It is important to perform a quick word search to verify that what we're about to tell those who see our comments and pass that info along to others is factual.

@basefcringenormieholic4361 Год назад

"Stan" FOR SURE had feelings. I know of no man, Mormon or not, who will drive across state lines for a weekend in early-mid November, to take a HS girl to a dance as a college freshman. He's either a LITERAL saint, or he had some serious feelings motivating his actions.

@siriusthecat Год назад

Woaaaah Ive never resonated so much with a guest. "They were so different and then they had three kids that were so different from them". my family exactly. I cannot wait to listen to this series

@stviz87 Год назад

Her voice is sooo soothing. I can listen to her for hours.

@AdautoMedeiros Год назад

I do too!!!!

@Leonard1977ful Год назад

I was also thinking the same thing too. Wow!

@elizabethwoodyard8241 Год назад

I go by Liz and I'm a former musician with a degree in creative writing that also grew up in a "difficult" home. The way Liz describes the process of writing or creating where it will eventually have to come out. That's the most perfect way I've ever heard it described!

@vocalysemusicworks Год назад

I hear so much in her story about her being uncomfortable with her appearance. She's beautiful. And vocally, so rich timbre in her voice. :)

@amygreen758 Год назад

Wow this amazing woman has some serious grit. Many of my (coincidentally white) friends who are so frustrated that I left the church, have never been through trauma at this level. They have two supportive parents. They had a stay at home mom, baking for them and joining the PTA. They have plenty of money that has always been shared via parents. They have parents who paid for college and youth expenses. They have parents who were emotionally there for them, were there when they got home, and who even babysit the grandchildren. They are cisgender with hair that only has to be washed and combed dry. And they just cannot understand why the church doesn't work for so many of us. This is why. They have not been through the experiences that marginalize them, traumatize them, negatively spotlight them, abuse and "other" them.

@jessid2011 Год назад

If only the world had more love and understanding. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts for those of us who are trying to learn and do better.

@t-lilyshock9531 Год назад

What’s beautiful story. Thank you for sharing and letting us into your world 💜 Also- John, love your gentler approach with this episode. I see you.

@AdautoMedeiros Год назад

Dude, Liz is so intelligent....I feel Like I wanted her to be my friend. I have a school , a social project in Brazil, and would love for Liz to come visit...her human experience would inspire our kids and their families. Wow! Halfway through this interview...I wan to watch the other ones!!!

@kajellio Год назад

HARRIET THE SPY!!!!! She's the reason I've kept a journal my whole life, too.

@dsa-xn8jx Год назад

Thanks for sharing your story. I’m excited to listen for what comes next!

@mstringham Год назад

Very well spoken, love this so far. Looking forward to the next two episodes.

@empressvee Год назад

This is fascinating. What a charming woman!

@elsiecreek3040 Год назад

Your storytelling with the food memories woven in, reminds me of the book Crying In Hmart. ❤

@Moundfreek Год назад

I grew up on the Air Force Academy and in Colorado Springs! And we're roughly the same age! But I don't think we ever crossed paths. I look forward to hearing the rest of the story.

@kirstieanderson9399 Год назад

This episode is so good! I feel like I'm watching a really great movie 🎬

@t.thompson9977 Год назад

Awesome interview MS. Liz is a breath of fresh air. What an amazing woman!

@mormonstories Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@EMSmith480 Год назад

Great opening John

@AJ-et3vf Год назад

Great video. Thank you!

@gerber4054 Год назад

You have a beautiful crown ❤ Thank you for sharing your story

@KingPoseidon02 Год назад

I can relate to Liz, I also talk to characters in my head all the time.

@Hermesmom Год назад

She reminds me of a young me. Conversations in my head. Studying other religions. Finding strength within. Love ya girl

@margybernard Год назад

I talked all the time about things I want to say to people, or things I need or want to do. I get more efficient at my tasks when I do. I do create scenarios as well. All in my head. Thought I was the only one. 😊

@mills3026 Год назад

Your story should be a book or made into a film. What a tragic but enduring coming of age.

@sadieesther9721 Год назад

Wow I’d love to hear the orchestra! Man I wish these long form interviews had some pictures to show from childhood etc

@RootbeerAndBeans 8 месяцев назад

Thank you Liz for sharing your life experiences with us

@Leonard1977ful Год назад

This was a really great interview, John. Liz, thanks for sharing your your story. You're very intelligent, creative, and well-spoken. Your voice also sounds so pleasant, so calming. Haha. It might sound corny, but I'm being honest here. I'm still in the church and have gotten back into activity about a couple or a few months ago. I've had a faith transition, so I don't look at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints anymore as the only true church. For me, it's just where the Lord wants me to be. You're much better writer than I am, considering the things you've shared. I write stories too, but I haven't published anything yet.

@sallyostling Год назад

Wow. Really engrossing story. On pins and needles for the rest!!

@FrenchyTaylor Год назад

Great interview, Lis is so articulate and reflective, it was a a great episode 😎!

@jen-zz5hj Год назад

She’s wonderful! One of my favorites so far. When do we get episode 2?

@mormonstories Год назад

Tuesday (1/31) at noon mountain!

@jillianraby7890 Год назад

Love this story John...Thank you for introducing us to Liz...Looking forward to next 2 installments.

@michaelbenjamin7448 Год назад

Great interview! @MormonStoriesPodcast, it was mentioned that Liz's letter to her bishop would be posted in the show notes, but I can't find it.

@mormonstories Год назад

Episode Show Notes are on the blog: www.mormonstories.org/podcast/liz-lambson-musician-artist/

@nolinpowe Год назад

Married & 5 kids? That fountain of youth must be strong she looks 23 years old for real

@JP-JustSayin Год назад

Perfectionism. I recently came upon some new thoughts about "the perfect". Imagine two identical things (it doesn't matter what they are) that are both "perfect". One was produced with effort, the other was produced with VERY GREAT effort. Which of them is more perfect? Clearly the one produced with the lesser effort. Now imagine a perfect thing that is produced EFFORTLESSLY. This is clearly the most perfect of all. Now look back and realize that actually there can be no gradients within the perfect... so ONLY effortless perfection actually counts. 🤯🤯🤯 Now stop stressing and just be you. ... its the only chance you really have.

@MarnieGolde7 Год назад

I love Margi’s portrayal of Tess in HBO’s, The Last of Us! 😉

@ltepezano Год назад

Man, Liz’s experience growing up is so similar to mine in the sense of not having a voice or taking about your feelings with your family. Her story of her first period, shaving, boys, issues with friends and even her first bra is oh so familiar. We even share the same name. I’ve grown to see the good in all of those experiences especially with raising my own kids, but boy do I still have issues talking to my family especially about my feelings. I definitely suppress my feelings even now. Listening to Liz brought tears to my eyes.

@rmandbd2 Год назад

You are so beautiful. No one has to look past you.

@beboystyle620 Год назад

I like my warm rice with water! 😂

@deemattina6234 Год назад

I didn't pick up on the fact that Margie was your wife during the last 3 episodes I watched.

@brothernobody1775 Год назад

Inner monologue is crazy sometimes, it's like having a cast of characters in your head that can either guide or distract. Perhaps that's what makes us artists as a species, that form of pseudo psychosis we call imagination. Thank you for your story, Liz

@bestoffriends703 Год назад

I’m just getting started but I’m a mixed woman too and identify as a black woman… but not really. Raised by white hippies…

@timetravelere1208 Год назад

Wow I wonder if she met the mother. Any update?

@brothernobody1775 Год назад

2:09:00 heart drops through stomach

@tendymoyomazuru Год назад

After watching Channel's segment, Liz's story is so sad. These people of color just want to fit in. 😢 however no matter how much they do, or how much their dedication, it is to no avail

@sprucelane1271 Год назад

Congee or congee is a rice porridge or boule of Asian origin.

@berdytv3739 Год назад

That kind of so called praise to you is part of the training to the messionary I mean missionaries🤪

@cherylmillard2067 Год назад

From an Atheist's point of view, (regarding her mother's changed view of the white church when she found out it was a Mormon church and her friend who told her to burn the book of Mormon because it was "evil"😂) Christians hating on the Mormons is beyond absurd but also very understandable because most but not all Christians are pretty hypocritical when it comes to Jesus' teachings. The Mormon missionaries have always been so kind to me and also respectful, some of them I'm still friends with.

@salt1956 Год назад

Non LDS Australian here. I shake my head every time I hear Americans talk about race. How hard is it for bi-racial people to fit in to a country where your race is your identity? And heaven help you if you are not 100% Asian. I know for a fact the Japanese won't accept bi-racial people. It seems Koreans are the same. Your guest will have fitted in well growing up in Australia where we don't care what race you are.

@cherylmillard2067 Год назад

@@AuroraR Exactly!!

@quackdracular7610 Год назад

Really now?! Australia? Aborigines and their treatment, anyone?

@eb4256 Год назад

A huge faux pas for a guest to tell the show’s host, “I’ve never seen your podcast before.”

@lizzylambson Год назад

I actually shared this very intentionally. Active, believing, and/or faithful Mormons are discouraged from viewing, listening to, or partaking of any and all purportedly “anti-Mormon” media and information. By Part 4 (releasing Thursday), you’ll understand how, why, and when this podcast became only recently (very) relevant to me personally.

@mormonstories Год назад

Not a faux pas to me at all @E B. My stuff is often viewed as dangerous to believers. They only view when they have time and interest and feel safe to view. Also, my style is super long form and I’m not everyone’s cup of tea. I care about people’s stories, not that they’re fans.

@GloriaGough Год назад

Not a faux pas at all. I think it's refreshingly honest and love the fact that Liz hadn't seen any podcasts previously because obviously it wasn't necessary for her to have seen any episodes before now.

@eb4256 Год назад

@@mormonstories oh my gosh- you’re trying to defend a comment that was just in bad taste. Has nothing to do with candor or honesty. If I went on someone’s show, I’d never admit I never watched his/her show. If I did, it would be communicating that the host’s show wasn’t worth watching. It has nothing to do with “being a fan.” It has to do with putting across to an audience that as a guest, you are honored to be on someone’s show. If she didn’t think it was worth ever watching your program, why be on the program. I feel like I’m explaining something that should be obvious. Lol