When Your Mormon Children Stop Believing - Nan & Rod Osborne Pt. 1 | Ep 1761 

Any more leave? Curious if you have a follow up!

That is a great idea . Please Margi.

Yes, I’d like to hear that, too.

I think they did that already, it’s called Thrive stories

I adore Mari so much. She is Emotional Intelligence, personified. Please make this happen.❤ What an excellent idea!

@@alisa1704- That’s exactly what I was going to say. Margie’s EQ is thru the roof, & she & John balance one another so well in the interviews they do together, particularly w/ couples & women in general.

I think, both parents came to a place where they allow themselves to see the positive sides of being out of the church.

YesYesYesYesYesdammitYes

As a nurse, married in the 60’s, had our first baby after 10 months of marriage! The baby was 2-3 weeks early.

Yes. Margi's "gentle" ball-bat moments are invaluable. I often wonder when her quavering voice is fighting the volcano or she is determinedly making a path thro the dark-matter empathy that often cripples many of us (esp. hothouse perfectionists). Whatever it may be, IT IS VALIANT. Piercing insight, pithy, no-holds-barred expression encourages - invites - one to move boldly into "out-of-bounds" waters where the worst consequence one is most likely to incur will be infuriated compassion. wish I could be that cool; I just essplode 🥺

And Sally is awesome! So full of fun! Lot's to catch up on with you guys clearly! ❤

YOU-pers!!!!

Some people never fully leave….🤔

And the rest of the wacky get up….🤢

@@pattykake7195 Oh and Patty, you must cover your face with a veil!🤪😜

@@markkrispin6944 It used to fall off…😂🤣😂😘

@@pattykake7195 You are a silly girl..LOL😘😍🥰

@@China-Clay It’s sacred not secret….🤫🤣🤫

Prob had some dark secrets sone were

Maybe she just had great parents.

Nothing. My cis daughter loved trucks. My cis granddaughter loved trains.

Beats me

The whole church is white supremacy and the sustainment of white patriarchal supremacy.

Train up a child in the ways he should go and he shall not turn his back on it. Better the parents than the world. Great interview. God bless

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Caroline my mom told me at the age of 9 that she wasn't going to church anymore, but I had a choice to figure out if church is for me or if I wanted to stay home and through that I found my own testimony, you are absolutely right

@Sepeti Sione Latu I think appearances are everything in Mormonism. It's what the entire community thinks of you, more than what God thinks of you. The extremely wealthy "church" expects members to do service. That includes cleaning the church weekly, leading male or female groups, donating food for special events, all prepared by the women with each vying for "the best" food. The LDS (Mormon) church demands far too much of its members, despite having assets of at least $300billion. It requires all members to pay 10% of their total income to the "church". If they don't, they will not be allowed to enter the temple. It is, without doubt, the most controlling Religion I've ever heard of. I worked for a Mormon. He was a lecherous scammer. It cemented, for me, that members can be beyond evil.

​@Elizabeth Grogan I also worked for a mormon, he is physical therapist in Arizona. You're absolutely right about alot of how they seem is just for appearances. He had many affairs with his female patients. He also did many things which were scammy and under the table. His wife ended up divorcing him, he ended up marrying one of the women he had an affair with.

But I am happy, that she at least had a loving dad. Maybe she doesn't want to look back and then feel sad or dissappointed about her past choices. But I think, she had great parents even if they both were very religious. Nan is a very loving mom who is able to learn new things, and she accepts their children 's decisions and supports them. And I guess, her parents did a lot of things right.

Yeah that doesn't make sense rhythm is okay in the Catholic church so what are the Mormon's saying? You have to have sex every day of the week every morning noon and night?

@@deadmanswife3625 sort of, in the Mormon church they preach that being intimate is very important and you have to do it in order to have a nice fulfilling marriage. It's backwards thinking, the church loves to make people feel guilty for not living the life they want or expect it's members to live, like they think it's wrong/ feel it's "not of the Lord" if you wear condoms, but they have lessons that hammer home you have to have intercourse in a marriage and if not then that's why your marriage is falling apart. I've heard these lessons over and over and over again and it bothered me because they try to make people feel guilty if you're not living the marriage they want you to live, especially if your not even married, I'm so glad I left

Basically there trying to get people in marriages just to have kids because they feel like if you have kids it will better your marriage & testimony and it will help with your marital problems 🤷‍♂️

Birth control is NOT forbidden in the church. She is conflating what her mother thought and taught her with what the church taught. A lot of what she describes is just her mom’s personal preferences and choices (partly because of the extreme and tragic circumstances involving her dad) - not dictates of her religion. We ARE encouraged to stay home (if financially possible) when our children are young - and child experts today will tell you it’s the preferred model for raising kids. We were never pressured to “stay thin” - that would have been a personal goal of their family. Nothing more. Women in the church were never taught to subjugate their own interests and pursuits in order to please their husbands. If we learned about cooking in Homemaking, it was how to stretch a dollar or make more nutritious food (things that fill the internet now) - NOT just to make our husbands happier. We also learned things like how to talk to our kids about difficult subjects. As long ago as 25 years ago, I was Homemaking Leader and I had a medical doctor (non LDS), a psychologist, and a survivor come and speak to the sisters on the difference between situational depression and clinical depression. And the vital role that medical intervention and medication can play in treating it and surviving it. I also insisted that the bishop attend so that he could gain more insight on the issue because he would assuredly be counseling people experiencing it. Over the years, I’ve attended Homemaking lessons on domestic abuse and how to deal with it (specifically involving safety and law enforcement). We toured the foundry of a local sculptor - who later offered classes - which several of us took). We’ve talked about careers to look into after our children are all in school (My bishop’s wife worked when her kids got into elementary school). Recently, we had a RS activity where a local artist came and taught us all the fundamentals of watercolor painting. Every ward I’ve ever lived in had an active women’s book club that read all sorts of books on history, war, nutrition, politics, etc. And yes, lots of lessons on domestic skills like cooking, crafts, decorating - things that interest women of all beliefs enough to keep stores like Hobby Lobby, Michael’s, ceramic stores, and Food Network thriving year in and year out. Women tend to like those things. Brigham Young was adamant that women should get an education - including university. Women in Utah had the vote before it even became a state. Women in the church have held outside jobs since the earliest days of the church. One of my favorite comments in a Sunday School class was when the teacher said, “Why do you suppose that Christ appeared to Mary Magdalene first after his resurrection and told HER to tell the apostles?” One lovely lady in the class spoke up: “To teach the brethren that they need to be able to take instruction from the women!” I love that lady. So much of what she seems to interpret and what the host flatly states as fact is just flat out untrue about church rules or even culture. I’m the same age as she is. Raised in the church the way she was - and NONE of her experiences or perceptions about the church bear any resemblance to mine. Her belief system came from her mom’s perspective, not the church’s. We are a church filled with strong, intelligent, educated, independent women. Maybe if she HAD gone to BYU, she’d have met some of us.

@@tracyarmstrong2953 well here's the thing, from what I've experienced when I was a member was a lot of women back in 2017 had zero desire to be a working mom or even a career driven adult for the most part they would tell me to my face that there main goal is to finish college and be a stay at home mom/housewife which is fine but what I told them was you shouldn't let that be your only option, if you feel you can do something else or if you personally feel that's the only option you have but are curious to see other options, explore & see what else is out there. The Mormon church has this thing and it's not as extreme as it was 6 years ago but they had this thing we're men when they get home from missions they have to date right away, get a job, go to school and once you feel connected to someone doesn't matter if you've known the person for 3 whole months and yes I have seen this quite often in Provo, many people tell me after they get engaged after they know each for that amount a time that the prophet states you have to find a soulmate and if your both compatible don't question marry each other and once your married make your foundation right away. The only problem with that is 1, you don't really know the person or the person's full lifestyle & 2 when you marry someone in 6months which is the average time frame in Utah Mormon culture especially Provo you have to rush & overstress all of the things you could've been working on before you get married. I'm just saying I think people if they feel comfortable just being together for a year or 2 to see where things go is perfectly fine & normal than just rushing it because they feel they have to for the Gospel

"A Mormon Lesbian Love Story" - Sal and Lena

You can reinvent yourselves all day long it won't make any difference. Sex cult money cult just a disgusting cult. Racist until your 5013c was threatened. THEN one of the doddering old millionaires had a revelation. Wow that was amazing. What a joke

Yeah but it’s really hard for all the people who faithfully believed the previous prophet to just make the switch like that. Cuz he always said you should be very proud of being Mormon, be very proud to call yourself Mormon and proud to be a peculiar people. And so many faithful followers took that to heart their whole life. Suddenly the new prophet says it’s not ok to call yourself Mormon. I mean, that’s hard for people, especially when it’s a word that always represented their religion and culture. I understand why they would want to identify the way people always knew them as. Lots of churches have the name Jesus Christ in their name, so it doesn’t stand apart as different as much, which is the point. Previous prophet wanted to be proud to be peculiar. Current prophet probably wants to blend in better with other Christian churches. Probably a public relations strategy to re-brand the institution and avoid being identified by the easily Google-able word Mormon, so that converts don’t get exposed to all the Mormon content online.

God. Jesus and god are two separate “people,” to Mormons. When they say God, they don’t mean Jesus. Unlike actual Christian religions which believe Jesus is also God, Mormons do not.

That’s because none of those had anything to do with god or religion. All the holidays now used in Christian religions were stolen from pagan celebrations to make the transition to Christianity easier for people to swallow.

If only there was a church that centered itself around the advent of the seventh day of week.

Then don’t watch it, genius. Would you like them to delete the entire interview because you personally weren’t interested in this particular topic/ these guests? If you think it’s boring, watch something else. Pick a different episode.

@@Josie-6 No need to get so defensive. I’m stating my opinion. We are all allowed to have one even if others don’t agree. John has stated several times that he welcomes feed back. Some episodes I LOVE, some I don’t.