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The Revolution is now!. "Orkoids of the galaxy, unite!" "No Gorkamorkas, no Nobz!" "I see a Waaagh! without Nobz or Boiz, where every Orkoid is a Boss!"
Ork 1: *lights Squig on fire, inhales deeply* "Wot if... one o' dem puny Grotz wuz big enuff to be da boss?" Ork 2: *Punches Ork 1 in the face, steals the still burning Squig, inhales deeply so as to not be outdone* "Ya git. If dey wanna be big enuff to be da boss, dey'd 'ave ta be proppa boyz." Ork 1: "I know dat, ya git! I'm sayin, wot if dey wuz big enuff?" Ork 2: "If dey wuz big enuff, dey'd 'ave ta be proppa boyz!" Ordo Xenos Inquisitor: "What followed this exchange was, quite possibly, the single greatest conflict between two groups of Orkz to ever occur. Entire subsections were rendered uninhabitable due to the two conflicting Waaaghs causing widespread dispersal of Ork spores, which ended up completely turning several planets into what we now call 'Ork Worlds'. Research into methods to reclaim these worlds is currently ongoing, but the outlook is rather bleak."
You've got it right here, true enough. If a Gretchin *was* big enough, tough enough, sneaky enough and insane enough to beat the odds he'd effectively BECOME an Ork.
@@MrMortull but what if he was more kunnin. Like enough for one of the ork gods to give his blessing. I could see an inter ork Waugh happening between orks and grots. With the poor, we'll no one really cares about snot links anyway
@@DaimoHope As Big Boss Eyepoppa once said, "I iz wot I iz, an' dat's all wot I iz". We're straying into the realm of utter hypotheticals and outright impossibilities here, but if a Gretchin ever grew to that kind of status who KNOWS what would happen? Actually we all do, just only in very vague and broad terms: A lot of violence is what would happen. Beyond that? Not even Tzeentch knows.
All would do well to remember the tale of Timbles the small, who led one of the largest Waaaghs in Imperial history, consisting of well over a million Orks. His glorious charge lasted for all of five minutes, before he tragically tripped on a rock, breaking his neck in the fall. Young Gretchin still recount the tale, in the hopes that future generations will be inspired by his example.
Meanwhile in a black legion world Traitor guardsmen : repeat the gretchin traspassed our armored trenches repeat the armored trenches are no more The traitor guardsmen : the gretchin cut out the energy of the iron doors now they are in the fortress repeat the gretchin are in the fortress Traitor guardsmen : the gretchin airforces are destroying the gun towers and chaos knights repeat they destroying the gun towers and chaos knights Traitor guardsmen : the gretchin army kill all traitor guardsmen and chaos space marines in the fortress doors repeat the gretchin kill our forces Traitor guardsmen : all remainig forces let's run away what how did you get here haaaaaa Gretchin : for the red gobbo and the gretchin revolutionary committee Black legion Iron warrior : my lord i order an evacuation we lost the world we don't have the forces to fight them we shoul take the stom hawks and leave this world now
There was in the former fantasy lore a goblin (fantasy equivalent to grots) eating a plate full of troll meat allowing him to grow and regenerate to a ork-like size and launching a waaaaaagh
...what if that's what the beast was? A grot who lived long enough to become big, and in the process learned way too many good tricks and good tactics?
So in summary: Short Answer: No; Long Answer: If it has happened then something has gone really zoggin' wrong, and an actually competent git needs to step up and give the crazy gretchys a good smashin! WAAAGH!!!!
I don't see Orks standing for a Grot ordering them around, even a Grot in a Killer Kan. They would just destroy the Kan, so the Grot wouldn't be able to control anything beyond a small tribe that had few enough Orks for it to be able to win the fight. Now. If a Grot was very very smart, in a tactical/strategic genius kind of way, and it was part of a Waagh large enough that the Boss was also exceptionally smart, but not quiiite as smart as the Grot. That could work. It would need a Boss that was smart enough to recognise that the Grot was smarter still, and to realise that the advantages of letting the Grot take command outweighed the inherent irritation of being told what to do by a runt. AND the self control not to squash the bossy little git. Maybe then the two of them could lead the Waagh, the Grot coming up with the plans, and the Ork giving the commands, while pretending the Grot is just a minion. Thing is, if the difference in intellect was too much,it wouldn't be long before the Ork ended up killing the Grot because of the inferiority complex it would inevitably cause. For it to work the two would have to be almost as smart as each other, in which case it would be more of a partnership than a Grot leader.
@@markusnavergard2387 Gruap da Boss-eata: Once just a normal nameless grot, Gruap was suffering at the hand of a bored grot gang who one day force-feed him with the flesh of a chaos spawn after a failed chaos invasion because of its wierd effects. Gruap sufferd long because the flesh didn't stop mutating and the grots where waiting for him to explode in a red mist. But it never happend: Gruap keept on geting fatter and bigger until he finaly won over the meat, gaining flesh that grew back faster than nature would ever allow, a hunger to rival Tyranids and Squigs and voices telling him of greate things. They told him how the boss at the momment couldn't lead, how the boss was too stupid and how much better Gruap was. And so he challanget the boss. The boss took the challange, but when he shoot Gruap the wounds closed in second. Asking himself what happend, the boss didn't see how Gruap lifted a massive piece of metal and crushed the head of his former boss and next meal. After that day, Gruap got his name after what he did and the sound he made after eating his dead boss. Gruap took over his tribe and later his whole world because the rest of the bosses wanted to fight the ,,big grot" and in that time, something happend: When he killed the last boss, the sky suddently oppend and the voices in his head screamed. After a short while and halluzinations, Gruap saw how Gork and Mork yelled to formless things with many spike to ,,Zogg of!". They screamed and attacked, but the green gods just laughted at them, kicking and punching them deader than dead. They then looked at the fat gobbo and said:,, *Ya funny! Go now, kill da 'umies, eat da 'nids, stomp da robos, grill da fishies and dakka da pointy ears, go now ya lasy git!" The gods started fighting again and Gruap would do what they want him to do... but first he had to take a nap, wanting to sleep right where he was until ne noticed someting: He wasn't touching the ground with his back! Standing back up he saw a tired ork boy called Ragu behind him. For an act of such force Gruap made him his banner waver, because, if he could hold up Gruap, then there could be no banner to heavy for him. Now the fat gobbo boss seeks to aid Ghazghkull in his quest while trying to find new things to eat. He prefers eldar meat because of its ,,funky" taste and (his favourite part) the grilled ears!
Id like to see a "Wizard of Waaz" where the last surviving space marine that was sent to kill a war boss meets up with a tau, eldar and an ork to kill the mysterious war boss. Only to find out that it was a grechen bidding behind smoke and mirrors and that all he really needed all along was to murder zenos.
In the ork society, size is related to an ork’s authority. With the introduction of Primus Marines, I’m beginning to think that humanity is an offshoot of the ork race.
@@latarshahall7618 Emperor isn't tech actually "bigger" he appears bigger to people and in different form due to his psychic presence, or if he so wishes for his body to look bigger. However primachs and custodes are in fact just big bois lol
Could you explain whats the difference between the Gretching Revolutionary Committe, the Revolutionary Gretchin Committe and the Committe of Revolutionary Gretchin?
Well one of them is legitimate but the other two are later imitations and not legitimate. (Which is which is like untangling Gork and Mork as Cunning or Brutal.)
Now I wonder if there will be a day of a WAAAGH being led by by a hundred gretchin in a trenchcoat. Maybe even a weird mutation causing a "We iz Legion" situation.
Not technically 40k, but this video reminded me of Grom the Paunch from Warhammer Fantasy, a goblin who grew to such a size that even Orks were willing to follow him, and the only Greenskin Boss ever to lead a WAAAAAAAARGH to the High Elves homeland of Ulthuan.
I actually had an idea of a Gretchin Warboss. This one was not normal by any Ork standards. He had the skills of a Big Mek and a tenacious cunning mind. He would have built his own 'Killa Kan' in secret, putting upgrades into it over time to the point its basically a small Stompah. Smart enough to figure out which Nobs he had to take out which he used un-orky tactics to do so. Leaving the current Warboss who had grown lethargic, fat, and lazy as his last opponent. When he unveils his creation he takes out this Warboss in single combat. As there are only Gretchin and Boyz left, there isn't anyone to truly oppose him. Eventually he rebuilds their ship into a battle arena using Nids and Daemons fighting the strongest Boyz to rebuild his WAAAGH! Over time he began making deals with Rogue Traders, Tau, and anyone else that would give him a profit and a fight. He builds himself his own Ork Mafia. The Grotboss.
Couple years ago there was a dude who made an homebrew gretchin army with really cool models and comic that explained how grots got the know-how to build vehicles and wage war effectively, even against the orks. Basically Adeptus Mechanicus tried to modifie and combat train in the Imperium way a squad of grots, so there was like a Gretchin Commisar, who became later the Red Gobbo, some kind of Grot Techpriest, a Grot Assasin etc., as a squad of super grots for them to infiltrate ork warbands and organize gretchin rebelions. But like always when Imperium tries to mess with the orky way of life, it chomped them in the butt hard. The super gretchins rebeled against the Mechanicus guy who made them, by caping him in the head, and run off to form their own gretchin army. So yeah. A Gretchin Warboss can happen in one way, if Imperium would do something really stupid :)
These guys remind me of my childhood in the UK. I actually had friends exactly like these guys .... names, attitude and everything. I wonder if I might know the guy who writes this section of the lore?
What I would love to see is a Gretchin utilizing his cunning to manipulate a bigger warboss. Similar to what Grima Wormtounge did to Theoden in lord of the rings. The warboss thinks he is the biggest and the best, but in fact it is the Gretchin in the background that controls everything. use what they are good at, instead of trying to fight muscle against muscle.
Even funnier. This Gretchin Warband landing in the middle of a scrum pitch. Leading to the amusing situation where it's hard to tell the xenos and normal hooligans apart.
Just remember: if enough orkz believe it, that’s how it is. They are orkz so if they get enough confidence to start generating a waaaaaaaaaagh field then they start snow balling and getting bigger and badder and getting all the boiz
A Gretchin cunning and brutal enough to make even one ork follow him (without thehelp of a killa khan) is a nightmare keeping catachan veterans awake at night.
This is why I preferred Fantasy Lore when it came to Grots/Goblins. There they had some level of respect from Orks due to their cunning nature with even some like Skarsnik being highly respected prophets and having orks under them
I heard that fantasy goblins generally speaking are too suppressed to start a Waaagh With Grom the Paunch being the only exception and Skarsnik still trying to get one prepared Interesting to see what the 40k equivalent is :3
If an Orkoid believes it, it can achieve it. Let's not forget the rebel Grechin, groups of Grechin outside normal Ork society could evolve to become a credible threat.
Man I wish for a Ciaphas Cain Style comedy of a badass grot leader who leads a grot and gretchin waaaaagh and becomes the opposite to ghazgkull , I picture him like a small green eisenhorn with a lazer eye and maybe an array of digi weapon rings - Mandarin style.
Given his association with the concepts of justice and honor it'd be interesting if a freak of nature, or grot overexposed to warp energies grot attracted the attention of Khorne.
To add a bit i can think of two scenarios that might fit: A Chaos manipulation by Tzeentch Aligned forces could change grots into Chaos usefull resources by experimentation. Another one could involve a particular enterprising mad dok and Mad Mek building a grot a very inovative and killy variant of the Killa Kan. This could have as orks can do this sort of thing for amusement value and a huge grot killing lots of smaller Boyz would certainly be consider funny
I like to imagine some cunning Grot leading an ork tribe from behind the courtains with a big dumb Ork as just a figurehead. Just pulling strings, manipulating and playing his enemies against each other.
I suppose they could lead a waaagh. But to do so is to convince the orks you are a bigger ork than them. At which point because the orks believe it, it becomes so and you simply become another ork warboss.
“You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.” In all seriousness, that would be a great Animal Farm-esque conclusion to the story, and would really fit for Warhammer.
I think a grot earning the title of "nob", or even just being considered one of the boyz, by being just that good at fightin' would be interesting and more plausible. He kills every boy who calls him a grot with brutal cunning and cunning brutality. Maybe the boss said that whoever killed da biggest hummie got to be a nob and he came back with an ogryn head. Second place protested, then got his tendons cut, fell to the grounds, and suddenly found several bullets and multiple stab wounds in his face. The warboss was amused and the next boy who would have won was no longer eligible. "I like dis grot. 'E'll do 'til another boy can thump 'im."
In one of the stories in the omnibus 'war for rynn's world' Pedro Kantor hunts down surviving orks from the invasion and finds that the most dangerous ork 'boss' isn't a nob or lesser warboss but actually an extremely cunning grot who acts as an advisor to the most dominant ork in the warparty and uses them as the figure head, whilst he controls them behind the scenes, as the grpt realises that a grot leader won't be accepted by ork Warboys. Pedro Kantor is also told by some sneaky eldar that if the grot is allowed to live it will end up controlling the largest WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA that the system has ever scene an will destroy the eldar's craft world.
if it were second edition gretching im sure they could lol in the event of the killaKan route, he would simply need to aks the mekboyz for a bigger Kan frame and more dakka. make him as big as Gahzskull then use his newfound bulk for dominence
During an ork insavion an imperial guardsman asked an imprisoned ork that question. The Ork burst out in laughter and died shortly after that. The guardsman informed a commissar who told his commanding officer about it. Armed with speakers and megaphones the imperial guardsmen shouted the words: "Could a grot lead a WAAAGH!!!?" A few seconds later millions of orks burst out in laughter and died. Within hours the WAAAGH!!! had come to an end. The guardsman got a medal and a 2 week vacation on Terra for his discovery.
The real question is, could a squid or snotling lead a waaaaaggghhh! The answer is no haha, but goblins in warhammer fantasy can lead war bands and goblin warlords could slay veteran ork champions. Goblins are the fantasy equivalent of the gretchin, which is obvious if you have ever seen a goblin. A big grot could lead a warband, grot meks could then make mega grot armour and grot tanks (which are canon, their super heavy tanks are about the size of a leman Russ.) you can get grot tankz on forge world, there awesome. Edit: I never knew a killa kan had gretchin in them, you learn new stuff every day. Always thought killa kanz were cooler than deff dreadz, a swarm of small dreadnaughts always looked awesome to me. Haha digganob, and the biggest nob becomes the leader made me laugh. The biggest nob gets more females in human society. Hahaha I would know.
It would be hilarious if there was widespread Grot Rebellions against the Orks. If timed right then entire Waaaghs might fall apart at the seams as their labor force turns to violent revolution.
They have, I can't recall which one is it but I think they're the ones with the natural impulse to spread the fuck out of their spores and cultivate them, accelerating the spawning time of the next orkoid breed type.
I believe this matter was resolved in Waaagh the Orks! The argument went along the lines of if grotz were capable of leading orks they'd be orks not grotz. I can't see this happening. It's a bit like the saying the pen is mightier than the sword. As Terry Pratchett observed you would need a very large pen and an incredibly blunt sword for that to be true. No true ork would follow a gretchin even if it beat the warboss in an 'eadbutting contest.
The lore of piloting Killa Kans never added up. Assuming that a Mekboy wouldn't just make HIMSELF an awesome robot to kill things with, why a Gretchin of all things? There's no way you couldn't find Orks lining up to be inside one of these things. Even if it does involve painful surgery, because that's how ALL ork armor works! They NAIL plating into their flesh! This is the same species that straps rockets to themselves to fly, remember!?
I can imagine a grot warboss becoming larger overall but still retaining gretchin proportions, potentially requiring a prodigous height before they gain the overall mass needed to reliably keep nobs in line. Question is what kinda name would that warboss earn...
I'm pretty sure that Orks grow bigger because in the "clap if you believe" society of orks, THEY believe that bigger orks are in charge, thus fueling leaders growth. However, gretchin ARE NOT orks. They may grow from the spores of orks, but they have a different mindset. I believe they would view the most cunning of gretchin as the "in charge" ones, and thus in the "clap if you believe" method, those who are most cunning become leaders, and the leaders become more cunning. They don't view size like orks do, because they are ALWAYS smaller than orks.
it might work. Let's take the pipedream to the next level. Are Gretchin more cunning than feral orks? If so, one might need a planet having both: Enough green cavemen willing to have their hearts and minds won by cunning Grots in order to form a loyal horde, maybe then uniting with more feral clans under the Gretchin banner and some advanced orcs having the tech needed for further expansions.
Step 1. Grots set up their own warband. Step 2. Acquire slave race with technical skills necessary to produce stuff for them. Say Jokero or captured dark mechanicum. Step 3. Waaagh!!!
If Skarsnik and Grom the Paunch of Warhammer Fantasy can lead some of the most infamous Waaghs in it then it is totally possible for Gretchin to do so. Orks are Orks no matter what the universe
I have homebrew lore for my warband that makes a grot the defacto leader. I wanna make a proxy for some big command unit with just one little guy on a massive base.
Maybe if the Gretchin pledge themselves to Khorne or Nurgle If a Gretchin killed an Ork Warboss in a brutal way and then grows to a big size thanks to Khorne, then the Orks would follow him
He comes once a year to lead a waaaggghhhhhhh!!!! He has a list of all Orks it isn't who has been naughty or nice.... its who has been brutal or cunning !
VonKuro but don’t greenskins make things work by a significant number of them believing it can work, therefore if a grechin believed that was a better mekboy than an ork mekboy and convinced more grechins to believe that, he could become a grechin mechboy
I think that should be retconned to be tech such as teleporters, force fields and energy weapons etc (not mechanical items) as they are being powered /improved by Waaaggh! energy. Otherwise whats the point of Meks
@@iainmilner507 Mech boys are only ones who know how to put these things together and info is released based on quantity of WAAAAAAGH!! energy ie number of orcs. I think this is reasonable explanation, when orcs are biological weapon of the old ones, specially when their weapon designs only work with magic anyways and only sometimes blow up in their faces..and requires to be present on every group of orcs. You really cant expect them to be able to make micro circuits in some backwater planet cave from materials that are not in there.
Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly. If an Ork mek builds a weapon such as a shoota anybody should be able use it, it just has a higher chance of jamming or misfiring due to not being precision built. A blasta though might not work if an Imperial soldier weilds it because although technically it's a good design apart from its power pack being underpowered that is why it is powered by the waaagh
This NEEDS to happen in fantasy Gork and Mork are represented with special characters! We already have Gazgakul, we NEED 40k Skarsnik! GamesWorkshop NEEDS to make the sneaky RedGobboGretchinWaaaaaagh!
People in the comments are right to reference the orks beliefs, what if the gobbos in a waaaagh outnummbered the orks 7-1, then orkoid belief in that waaaagh would be decided by gobbos, And if the lead Gobbo could do something so terrifying to orkoids that many other waaaaghs would fear him he could lead a great waaaaagh, sssssoooooo in theory if a Gobbo leader with a strong foothold were to announce and take credit for a pathogen/plague that killed planets worth of orks and then claim to be the Voice of the Will of Mork, we could have 40k skarsnik, leading an orkoid waaaagh that is gretchin with ork specialists.
But he better be a Gobbo with a pirate coat decked out in digilaser rings damnit! Maybe cool if he had an ork version of a servo skull with guns followin him around
I think it's unlikely but possible. Possible enough that I recently began building a fully Grot based army though. Well techniclly there's a Big Mek I had to counts as because there isn't a Grot leader and I took some Kill Tanks, but Kill Tanks have BS4 anyways so I'd say it counts.
Given chaos orks exist, would a gretchin turn to Chaos for power? Would an intelligent one follow Tzeench? Maybe this could result in an equivalent of a goblin shaman from Fantasy.
I applaud your use of Gorkamorka philosoraptor, the theoretical aspect of this is actually fascinating, since all Orkoid organisms are fundamentally connected we have always assumed that the Krork were the dominant life-form. While they are certainly the most combat effective, I believe that the Old Ones engineered the entire species to act as a War based ecosystem. Think of this from the most basic perspective, Squigs, Squiggoths, Orks...they all have the capacity to assault and destroy everything in their reach. The Gretchins are a more interesting aspect, while physically weaker, they are able to show extreme examples of cunning ( specifically the example you used in destroying Ork spawning sacks) furthermore we can determine that these "lesser" Greenskins are anything but. Specifically as they have the innate ability to out-maneuver their larger brutish cousins. From a military perspective you could almost see the Gretchin as being a force designed for subterfuge. Perhaps their innate genetics allow them to formulate plans that the Orks simply cannot. Warsmith Freyger, Iron WIthin, Iron Without
From Iron cometh a wall of text, apparently. I have to agree and add to it, however. Grots are capable of many things baseline Orks aren't simply due to their smaller size and greater reliance on thinking over direct violence. During the Krork days it could even be theorised that the Grot sub-form may have been larger, as the Krork themselves were, due to the constant conflict and requirements of the War in Heaven. A human-sized Grot is a concerning prospect, though thankfully the gene code left over from the war seems to have degraded considerably to the point where only rare exceptions display the traits of the Krork in peak.
