I can't believe the UK is so lenient on crime! Identity theft and fraud in the amount of 150K and you get a suspended sentence and community service. How about deportation or jail time?
Why is no one pursued to get money back! It’s a crime to gain money through deception/fraud and they need to be forced to pay money back. As for all these suspended sentences?? Justice system in UK is a joke.
These fraudsters should be sentenced to build homes with Habitat for Humanity in the USA during the summers in south Texas. That’ll learn ‘em durn ‘em!
what is the point doing all that investigating and just give them a slap on the hand and a council flat for their trouble. send them to prison and make them pay back ALL the profit from their crime. it's a crime treat it like one, that is way they still do it because they know nothing will happen.
They're making a strong case for fraud being such an easy and lucrative venture. Can't personally say I wouldn't exploit a system that's designed to crush me the second they reveal there's really no consequences for me or them to do either.
Yeah no they get light if any jail time they should send these people back to their hometown im seeing alot of fraud n scams are from these people too its discusting
Immigrant immigrant after Immigrant not properly prosecuted , Her passport says Nigeria that's where she belongs with all her other fraudsters . Deport her !!
All should be jailed. People in london do this a lot. And in bedford where we live, we don't have council properties, we had to pay full rent until able to buy house. But why are these social housing officers trying to act like police.
When you get 75% subletting then its time to make it a deportation offence. One family were using a different identity and different area of the middle east to obtain a property in six different boroughs. They made enough to buy a two million pound house from subletting the council houses out.
@@joannebick6305 I know... it would seem ridiculous! I asked the question as most people committing the fraud ARE likely Brits just by virtue of us being majority. So should they be punished less? A difficult dilemma.
Where is the deterrent here when the criminals don't even get jail time or have to pay the money back...and then get re-housed?? I'm betting that in other countries things would be handled quite differently. Using a deceased baby's identity though...sick.
£150,000 / 200 hours (punishment) = £780 per hour. The courts need to use the full force of the law and banned from social housing. £1.8 billion per year ! imagine what could be done with that money.
The U.K court system should be ashamed of themselves for giving somebody a SUSPENDED sentence and just 200 hours community service for stealing 156k from them!! Wow…
It used to be the case when the priority for social housing was given to local people - so immigrants and outsiders, didn't stand a chance - it should have remained that way! I blame the Labour government and those so called democrats
We were in council accommodation when I was little, prior to that we 5 all lived in one room of a big house and 3 other families lived in the rest of the house. Moving to the flat felt like luxury as it had its own bathroom and toilet and bedrooms. We never thought of it as belonging to us though . I think we were on the waiting list for about 6 or 7 years .
@Donnell Okafor sometimes people fall on hard times. When you start out and have a good income and can easily afford your kids, you don't know that later you might lose your job or home or both. My parents didn't have social housing until we got our council flat and Im sure they never thought my dad would be out of work for as long as he was.
@Donnell Okafor He was made redundant . Being quite elderly for a dad, he didnt get a job for a long time after and then only for 18 months and redundancy again. He died when he turned 65 having drawn one months pension.
It is the fault of all consecutive governments that an ID. card sytem and the compulsory REG. of one's address ( like most European countries ) has never been introduced in the UK.
@@Autonomous1969 I’m just saying if you’re the type of guy that lives for reporting these type of ‘criminal activities’ then you must be very bored and have no life. It’s equal to someone reporting your car for not having road tax. Trust me busy people have better things to do with their life
How can someone STEAL 150,000 from the taxpayers and not be given any jail time. A slap on the wrist and off they go to start stealing again in another area of the UK. Absolutely ridiculous
Came here for this comment. A year late but... I was thinking the exact same thing. Seems like a pretty crappy thing to do. They literally said we don't know if they're going to show up all mad for telling the truth and they just skip out? Bunch of weenies.
So disgusted at how people that haven't paid a penny towards taxes expect the red carpet to be rolled out for them. Pathetic really. Don't breed if you can't afford to feed
THAT WOMAN FOR USING A DEAD BABY NAME IS NOT ONLY SICK SHE SHOULD BE COMMITTED INTO A MENTAL HOSPITAL PLUS OVER HERE IN THE UNITED STATES ANYONE USING SOMEONE IDENTITY IS A VERY SERIOUS FEDERAL FELONY CHARGE THEY WILL SERVE A THREE-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE IN A FEDERAL STATE PRISON AND THEN AFTER THAT YOU WILL NEVER ERASE YOUR CRIMINAL RECORD SO THAT MEANS NO ONE WILL HIRE YOU FOR A JOB AND NO ONE WILL NEVER RENT TO THAT PERSON
The problem with that is the family renting the property, they are now homeless more than likely I'm not going to lie, I know a few families who are renting off people who should live there, single mother gets council house , moves in with partner in another house , rents council house out, I would never tell on them because from talking to them, they do not have the money to rent the full price here, and have nowere to go, the waiting list for houses here is just too long I know someone waiting 20 years
@@djfhfh but iff she’s moved in with her partner why she not handing keys back that is fraud there is thousands off homeless people needing a house but a wouldn’t grass ither not my nature iff she’s caught going worse for her
@@lizbradford7706 shes not handing her keys back because she's renting making one family homeless so another family isn't fixes absolutely nothing yh it's fraud but I'd rent if someone if it meant my kids had a roof over their head
@@djfhfh You put realise you are condoning their actions. If they mo e in with a partner they do not need the house and should vacate it. They have a legal, moral and ethical duty to do so.
@@djfhfh that is so unfair to all the people on the waiting list for property, and also illegal, yes sadly, the people subletting do have to find other accommodations, usually with help of the council and get put on the waiting list - people subletting their council flats is illegal and unfair to people waiting years for a place to live permanently instead of temporary council facility
The poor guys who were subletted probably ridiculous money, and now two ladies came, woke them up and threatened that the police would arrest them. They should have kept their mouths shut and walk away. They want that these too poor individuals to be a witness for them and help them with their investigation. You don't have to talk to them and answer their questions
If your single ,no chance of a council home, if lucky a one bed flat, times have changed for the worse looking and getting a council house, so look to private, caravan sites, living on a boat, Shepard hut, summer cabins, desparte times brings out these measures one must ease laws just to house folk that got no hope of a home.
people who move out of their council home and sublet it should not only have to pay back what the council paid them, but they should have to pay all the rent the tenant they rented to back to tenant, they were being bilked of that money fraudulently so should get it back so they can hopefully find a place to rent IF UK started making these people pay every penny back that government gave them toward housing and benefits they were not living in and give the people they rented to all that money back, then maybe this problem would stop happening or at least slow down, but to just give them a suspended sentence and slap their hand is so stupid - even unpaid work is nothing
The council should chase this Nigerian woman to recover the benefits which she was not entitled to using 2 identities. Also put her on council wanted list so that other councils in uk can share the info. She be going intobanother boro to do tge same again to con the uk councils. She should be arrested and kicked out of this country committing fraud like this. I hope the coubcil can pass to home office the info so that they will be after her too.
These council officials are too full of themselves, thinking they are the police, demanding entry and cautioning people. Councils should simply charge market based rents. This would remove the incentive to sublet, abolish the waiting lists, allow for the Council Tax to be reduced or abolished, and cut out the cost of collecting the Council tax and paying Council Tax benefit. PS what a real asshole that the not-fat one is. The mistake the occupiers made was to open the door.
They do have every right in law to act as they do - and they also do have the right of entry. If it is denied they will call the police who know the law and that there is a right of entry. Even if they need to break the door down. Nasty last comment. you clearly have issues with authorities. ,
yes, I agree, they're quite arrogant, and reprimanding People, Who have done nothing wrong but just need a place to live. the thing I don't agree with is what You're saying about rent-cost. if everywhere was the same price, People couldn't afford rent, Mate. it's very expensive. or way more People would have to claim housing benefit. regards.
They really did think they were the police didn’t they! If you check it out they doing just that all council property’s will be 20% below market rents shortly.
I wonder what happened to the women evicted with 4 kids? They was so happy to give it to Somone else in desperate need but made a mum and kids homeless. They probably didn’t even re let that bet it was up for auction
@@ludovicleprinceroyal8721 it will be very soon, the laws are changing. It will soon be in the corporate hands and owned by the banks and we will just rent them all and own nothing.
When my mum died it was a private rent and I went through hell I had legal rights but they can still make your life hell. I phoned the council and the law was that if I was made homeless I would get a hostel place. Then from 6months to 3years a council flat. I was so scared. And it didn't help when about 30 people stopped me in the street saying Sorry to hear about your mum. Can you still live there or do they want you out. One of them said You will be homeless now cos they won't let you stay there. After 6years I did get a flat and I love it much more than where I was. But I still have the box file of the harassment and lies.
Strip them of their citizenship rights when it was given to them to live freely and not defraud the government. It is really unacceptable and priti patel bill should include this type of crime. Order to pay back what omar had taken is not going to hapen after he abused our social system. They are not genuine settlers in this country who helped them so much in my opinion.
"we're the landlord, we've come to do an audit of the property" "i'm coming in to do an audit" that's nice, now get off my property and allow me to enjoy the quiet enjoyment of my home that my tenancy affords me, any issues you have with your tenant is between you and them, i;m an innocent 3rd party, should you come and harass me any more without a court order I'll be filing complaints and making a report to the police. who in the hell do these two housing workers think they are, give them a lanyard and they think they can bust in your home willy nilly.
Not an innocent 3rd party when they know they are subleasing illegally. The 400 dollars a month is a deal and a half for them. You have ti churn the cream if you want to get the butter! And they were concerned about their welfare.
@@ktktktktktkt of course it does, it's not illegal to sublet, its a contract breach between the original tenant and the landlord. They have a legal tenancy, only a court can revoke that and order an eviction.
That entry would've played out a little different in my hood😂 They don't even have any fear , because the citizenry are unarmed it's how they stole freedom of movement and speech, beautiful country horrible police state.
Why? If they are truly poor they should be able to have housing. Maybe a reevaluation every couple years to determine the need for continued use of the social housing
@@rebecca4460 yes I think a reevaluation every 5 years or so is fair Otherwise you will have people take advantage of the situation which only hurts those who truly need it There’s a limited amount of social housing and the idea was not to make it a lifetime housing option But for too many people it has turned into that Now there are generations of people on social housing - they grow up in it and when they turn 18, the apply for it and the cycle starts all over again
@@cheechalker8430 To be honest the idea was to make it a life long home which is why social housing tenancies were traditionally life time tenancies. Even new ones are rolling tenancies which can only be terminated if you breach the tenancy. Whether this is right or not is another question but they are designed to be a forever home.
Case 1: I love the lie they came up with. Like it would make sense if you had two family members visiting to move yourself and your children out to your in-laws place instead of those two people staying with the in-laws.😂
Suspended sentences when they've ripped the tax payer off for 150k. What kind of deterrant is that? I'd be tempted to try it if that's as bad as it gets. And why is it foreigner always seem to get these properties. I know Brits that will never stand a chance of social housing & they languish in insecure private rents.
They need to hire Katherine. She did an amazing thing the fact that she only has to do only 200 hrs and got away with it for that long she needs to work for the Gov.
What a powerless job full of hope. £150k fraud and all they get as a worse case scenario is 200 hours community service? Be right back, making a quick call to my family in Nigera........They're landlords like all the private landlords that have to rely on hope and luck to control their assets. No wonder landlords and people in general are moving away from the UK. It's just not worth it thanks to having zero power or control.
why not they are being spoken to under caution because the council will use everything they say when they go to court in a case so they have to caution people
I suspect that the vast majority of the general public don't know that essentially everything the police can tap into eg. bank accounts, and the owners' addresses, likewise the local authority is doing the same. They even establish who the Royal Mail are delivering letters to at the address. So beware of doing what I did (when I claimed 25% single occupier's discount on a former privately owned house) namely allowing your ex to use your home as a mailing address because she was travelling. My experience was that unless an ex is paying U.K. council tax elsewhere they simply won't believe the truth you tell them vis a vis who occupies. They regard a mailing address as a residency! Invite them to physically inspect the property and don't be surprised if they simply shrug their shoulders. If they suspect anything untoward with regards to occupancy or payment of council tax expect to be invited to visit the council offices by appointment to be grilled under caution. But note that you are not legally obliged to attend. It is a voluntary act on your part. No doubt they occasionally catch a wrongdoer but their McCarthy style witch hunt tactics no doubt drag a lot of innocent people into their net.
They couldn't do that in the US. Only agencies with police powers can get a warrant to inspect anything about you. Privacy laws are very strict here. These people would have to give the investigation over to the FBI because this would be a federal case because the US government is financing the program. If however it is run by the state then only the State Police can investigate. There are also strong responsibility lines as well in authority.
I’m sorry but those 2 women are out of order! They’re acting like they are the actual police. They don’t have the right to intimidate them like that. That was so disgusting! Interrogate the tenant not the subletters.
Here in the US, welfare doesn't pay anywhere near as well as it does in Britain. Our government knows that the usual people will take advantage of the system and avoid work for as long as possible. If you keep people poor and hungry, they will move on and get employment. Of course, the employment they find is often nefarious, so we have an elaborate justice system to reward them. If Britain spent less on social welfare, they'd have more money for weapons and war like we do! 😝
why calling the police? up to now its the first time you called the police on this program! is it because they are asians? fair enough they defrauded the council, but the RULES should be the same for everyone , worse case in this show who own hses and 2 council flat and well paid jobs , you let them go with comunity service and the left country to leave abroad without repaying anything or getting police involved😠
So, she got a slap on the wrist, WoW, good thing she didn't pull that ish in America, she'd have actually done time behind bars, but then again, I highly doubt she'd get away with it to begin with or even that long
This is gunna be a veiw that may offend or anger many butttt I don't think sub letting is realllly bad I think because I know 3 people who rent a council house off people who should be there Single mother has council house, Meets partner who owns his own house, moves in with him ,.keeps council house and rents out The family who moved in was giving a notice to leave their private rental that the landlord was selling their home, mother was 37 weeks pregnant and landlord wanted them out 2 weeks before Christmas ! Shortage of council houses here means they could only be housed in a different city in a one bed hostel Only a mother and children hostel so father was on the streets basically This house was 3 doors down from their rented property, the children stayed in the street with their friends, stayed in the school, parents kept their local jobs and the price of private renting became so high here that the family woudlnt be able to afford it , but renting the council house is only half of what it would be in private market Say what you want about that, but that family is a decent family and them poor children woudlnt have deserved that, They never would have gotten a council houses in this area and that would have devestated the kids
The family that move in aren’t being giving a place to say out of the kindness of the single mums heart. If she splits with the bf she’ll be wanting them out. You follow the law so everyone is protected.
@@leonie3317 that's true but least that family had roof over their head when they did better than be stuck in some dirty hostel, I'd do what was necessary to give my children a warm safe place to sleep every night legally or not that's my job
The baby 👶 is dead and doesn't know it's identity was stolen. I don't get why they are so shocked someone did this. It's no worse to me than stealing an adults identity. Im Autistic so perhaps I don't get it?
Those housing officers had absolutely zero legal authority to push that hard. they are not legal allowed to enter like that. Goes to show how weak to the knee people get when they visualise an authoritive figure. Sternly legal vocal terms used and they panicked! The tenants could of got away with that if they knew there legal rights. Fair play to the H/O’s although they could of ended up looking very stupid if Somone knew there rights.
Please stop mentioing your parents are up, you seem to have a job, take care of them. I hate criminals though and from that part I am fine that is good of your program, punishments are far far too low.
One thing that needs to be done is nigeria people and names like omar neer to not let in to uk..uk is collapsing need to look after britts first!. PS dont care if it sounds racist
Most black people that live in the UK, were born in the UK. Making them brits (p.s. you don't spell "brits" with two t's), just by your lack of correct grammar and comment, I can tell you aren't going to make too much of your life. Sad, it really is. Most UK immigrants don't even come from Africa.
91% of the scum bleeding the government dry are citizens you shithead. Immigrants give more to the economy than the benefit scroungers and lazy citizens that don't want to work. I don't care how it sounds ITS TRUE and NOT DEBATABLE
