@@killerbcdr9728 It leads to infighting. The clone would seek to be superior and eventually try and kill off the original if he knew he was a clone since he knows he'd eventually be disposed of if given the chance.
Love the concept of Mauler Twins. Making an army of oneself would just lead to in-fighting. But 2 genius brains with the same agenda is better than 1. Not knowing whose the 'original' also saves them from any existential trauma. The concept of these cloning 'etiquette' just makes sense. That, and adding the fact they're not mindless brutes AND they're capable of genuine compassion? Such a great blend of everything.
What's also brilliant is their insistence that one of them is "the original" even though at this point there's a good chance the original died. Every time one of them died it was a 50/50 chance that it was the original who died, over who knows how many different iterations. Statistically it's unlikely either of them is the original. But their commitment to the "I am the original" mentality is what keeps them sane and staves off existential dread. So for them it's not low odds, it's a simple coin flip. Because they need to believe it is
For the good writing here too. Both are fully aware if one has to go they'll go through it as before this the one twin killed the other one so he could escape meaning both know if one has to go for another pair of twins to be made they'll do it. Also the fact whoever is the orginal or clone knows full well to prevent problems will make it imposssibe to tell whose who and make the whole killing the other not knowing the original possible and a worthy sacrafice as the first and possibly long gone orginal mauler knew he had to make the sacrifice of losing his identity and being replaced by a clone a worthy trade off.
@@reykhan2453If you look at the way that he makes a clone, it is not. A human is usually made through two gametes (egg and sperm). This guy just uses his blood cells to make another. If souls are granted only towards those born, then the real mauler twin is in hell while piles of meat run around.
Honestly, these guys are fascinating. They spend their time arguing but they always end up creating each other because they don't want to be alone. They may still be bad guys but they're not their comic counterparts, there's no need for them to end the same way
What sucks is you might be right and their downfall. Making a copy from a copy isn’t as good as making one from the original. So there would be flaws in the generations of clones.
@@mikey2toes966 I’m not sure about that, with how intelligent they are I wouldn’t be surprised if they were capable of making literally perfect clones.
The real question here is. Why didn't the Mauler twin just use their cloning machine...To make *more* Chicken pot pies?? That would be *real* progress!
the thing i love about their relationship is that one is GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED to think that they're the original, while the other KNOWS they're the original. This means they'll never agree under any circumstance who is the original
Not quite their memories are transferred completely so neither of them know if their the og they both open there eyes thinking the other is the clone but they don’t know
They mention when they cloned Robot that the last few minutes are made fuzzy when the brain is copied on purpose. This means that details that make it obvious which of the two are a clone aren't 100% verifiable and there will always be doubts as who who is actually the original.@@jonlorax2090
@@sanda5226Which I ironically is exactly what happened. After one of the Mauler's got the "Two-Face Treatment" and became "King" Mauler, he immediately let his ego get to his head.
The best part is they really do both need to think they're the original. At one point Mauler clones himself without doing the memory transfer, and the clone gets so pissed off at being treated as a lackey that he kills the original and makes sure he does the memory transfer next time.
I’ve just realised the front of the twins jump suit has a white M for Mauler and on the back is a black T for twin running with the invincible supersuit designs
that scenario often lead to 2 working against 1, either by 2 bullying one or 1 lording itself over the other 2 and causing the 2 to kill the more arrogant clone.
I mean, im not a total genius, or a genius at all, but wouldn't cloning the same genes over and over and over and over to eventually be given the villainous name "Mauler Twins", have some bad effects to the newer clones?
Not really. Cloning is a part of nature and it works mostly. You know plants are clones, grafts and cuttings and ones like strawberries plants that didn't grow from seeds. millions of them all copies of each other just fine. The biggest problem with clones is that you don't evolve so longterm your competition, predators and diseases can evolve to kill you all off. They reckon bannanas will go extinct one day if we don't save them because they're all clones and their diseases are still evolving.
@@fieldy409 i mean you have a point, but its been proof that the age factor its thanks to the fact that every time our cell divide/multiplies the information lacks something from the original. Meaning that we grow older thanks to the fact the information has "rust" with the pass of time, it is believe that with mother cells in our bodies we could keep "fresh" that info but we don't know how to access it yet. For what it looks like, the mauwler dont use a red cellx they use some other cell.
In all likely hood, they would fear rebellion amoung their clones. Almost all viltrumites are very proud people before they have kids. A big reason they don't just kill mark in the comics is he is their key tosaving their species and culture. Half breeds are a hurdle they are will to accept when they only have around 50 of the kind alive.
man of steel did exactly that. their population started dying off and were the few of the elite beings in dceu, then they started making clones of themselves to continue their civilization. by the end they were all artificial beings but still possesses the same strength. kryptonians are pretty much the "what if viltrumites found a way to grow their dying population instead of making hybrids".
Mauler twins: spend decades studying genetics, cellular science, mechanics, tissue growth and dna replication in order to clone themselves flawlessly Dupli-Kate: is born into the right family
I just love the Mauler Twins. That constant back and forth over original vs clone I feel like is more like brothers ribbing each other than an actual argument. I mean we all saw in season 2 how disastrous it was with King Mauler. But they somehow manage to be incredibly relatable despite being eight foot tall, hulking blue brutes. It gets weird trying to think of the throughline of memory between them all. I mean they are always together so it must be easy for each one to inject the other into those memories as the one they are talking to. I can imagine that leading to an agument as well. Remembering something particularly stupid a previous Mauler had done, and one blames the other for it. The other replies, "That guy died, remember? (scoffs) Figures, only an inferior *clone* wouldn't remember that."
Wouldn’t the clone remember going to the table on the right, then notice they woke up on the left? It should be pretty obvious which is the clone based on the memories leading up to the transfer. They’re supposed to be geniuses after all.
The process is deliberately designed to keep the memories, but obfuscate the true identity of the clone. It's never explained exactly how, but they do it deliberately and by design to avoid one having actual superiority as opposed to bluster.
When the mind is copied, the process kinda scrambles the memories a bit, and with 2 identical bodies, neither can be truly sure they're the original. This was done on purpose to prevent infighting.
@@wingedbluj1674 and also because the one who genuinely knew he was the original, was such an asshole it was better to not know whos superior then to know
They both think they set up the transfer. The only thing unaccounted for is how they don't use their placement on the tables to identify each other. I've heard people say short term memory scrambling but I don't recall them confirming that.
@@Bacxaber - I’m just saying, if they can remember what table the set the clone body on and which one sat on the other, it’d be a dead giveaway for who the original is. That’s why I think it also scrambles their memory too.
There is something extremely funny about the fact that the clone says "welcome to the land of the living, clone" with such smugness. Although, something I just realised. If the memories of every Mauler are copied and transfered to the next clone, how come neither are able to remember which side of the table room they were on before the process? We know the clone on the left was a fresh copy, and we know it was the right one that made the whole process. So, since the right one will remember sitting on the right side of the room opposite his clone, shouldn't the clone remember that he should be on the right side of the room instead of the left? Because his memories would say "I was on the right side, my clone body is on the left, therefore I am the original". Therefore from that fact alone, both clones should be able to separate themselves from copy and original pretty easily. Then again, they do say themselves they somehow make the process seemless "otherwise one of us knows he's the clone", so maybe this part of their memory isn't transfered?
Thats the only obvious fact though, and it can be explained that the memory transfer doesnt transfer short term memory, or blurs it enough that neither are sure. And the twins dont actually care to remember.
Honestly at this point i think the maulers know for a fact that the true original is long dead and dont care any more and now they simply fight over who evers mind they duped just now is the original
If they have the same memory the guy on left should know he is clone right.cause in his memory he was on the right side when he started the cloning process.
I just question why they original couldn't wear a jacket or something to label himself the original, then they would've both remembered or the original had on a jacket
@@hellstrom4209 the original was in fact killed by his clone if i recall it correctly since they knew who was the original and he begin to treat the clone as an slave.
Honestly when I 1st saw this scene, the part that stuck with me the most was how the clone ended up with clothes on. I mean I can understand the cloning part somewhat, but where the clone got it's uniform is still something that makes me wonder to this day.
Funny characters, i like how they argue with each other. Even if they should now witch one is the clone, considering the technology they used, i admit these " twins " are amusing.
Does anyone else think that the neo-sapians of Exo Squad where the inspiration for the Mauler twins? Big and strong. Intelligent. Different complexion. Villains and their clones. Just one making another instead of mass cloning!
Do you guys think that he always programs the clone to say the phrase "welcome to the land of the living" as a way to ensure that he knows that he's the real one?
I like the idea that they always knew who the real one was but just didnt care, because i mean it doesn’t take a genius to know left and right, you just need to take note of which side you started from.
Smart doesn't necessarily mean he is knowledgeable in every area, plus, the brothers are shown to have incredible expertise in this very specific field where even someone as resourceful as Cecil cannot compete as we saw with Immortal's ressurection.
Thats why the original throws the tablet beside the clone. The success of this set up is that there's always doubt in who is the original so they both work together, each thinking the other is less important but still valuable. In reality they're both clones. OG Mauler definitely died a long time ago.
I never understood the confusion about being a clone, because after all, the 'original' must still lay on one of the beds to get his mind cloned. So he would remember that the cloned body was on the left bed but he lied down on the right, and when the clone wakes up, even though he remembers being the original, he would see that he's on the left bed and know he's cloned.
The process is very kind screwy, deliberately so. It scrambles their brains enough that they can’t remember for sure, and think that the side of the table they’re on is correct one for the original. The confusion is by design.
I like the mauler twins and I like the concept of not knowing which is the original or the clone. But this is also kinda flawed. These guys are geniuses. Wouldn’t they just remember which side the clone laid on? On which the original laid on? Regardless of throwing the tablet..
@@dreademperor2094 yes I know it’s seamless. But that doesn’t mean they don’t remember how they put together the cloning contraption and what side the clone sat on *before initiating the seamless transition*.
One would think they could do this forever but since the cells can only divide so many times before they reach the hayflick limit theyll eventually die of old age. Thats if this show actually follows those rules
Yo me hubiera escrito en la mano la palabra original con una pluma y ya. Al. Despertar ambos sabrían que tienen que revisar su mano para saber que son los originales pero solo uno tendria el texto. Aunque lo mejor es que no lo sepan. Yo creo que el no saber cuál es el original, es lo que les permite comportarse cómo hermanos. Eso y no revisar el log de la máquina. Seguro que ahí se vería de donde a dónde se copio la información cerebral.
One has to wonder as to why he doesn't clone more than one of himself, the reason being. He'd probably then have to set up a memory copying and transfer device for TWO donors. Otherwise you have one witnessing the memory and transferring and knowing for a fact who the new clone was. Whats more while clones may think a like, they still would have unique memories of their own. That could cause some confusion for a third clone who'd then have two different sets of memories.
One interesting thing I've noticed recently is that the mind-cloning process CAN'T be just a simple 'copying' process like most people have assumed. Because otherwise they'd be able to tell which one was the clone simply by positioning: If it was simple copying, then they would both remember laying down on the left bed, yet one would be finding himself waking up on the right bed, thus they would immediately be able to recognize which was the clone. Clearly there's MORE to their process in order to account for this.
If the beds aren't going to spin randomly, then I don't see how this works. "Let's see... the last thing I remember was laying down on the left-handside bed... now I'm suddenly on the right-handside bed... I must be the original!" Of course, the odds of the original still being alive at all are pretty much nonexistent, but it's obvious which one is the new clone. Ah! But they immediately jump up and start fighting Robot, so we can't tell anymore! That's OUR perspective, not theirs.
Ah well the thing is that during the cloning process both the original and the clone share for a brief moment each others perspectives (see Robots cloning scene), that would screw up with their minds for sure. Also there’s this thing they mention called “a coin toss” where if the original twin “wins” said coin toss. His consciousness would end on the new body and viceversa. There’s this game called SOMA where’d they explain this phenomenon better. The trick is to confuse the each others minds to avoid the whole existencial crisis and infighting.
well, the process never transfers, but the whole perspective sharing makes the original THINK he transfers over, which is the point of it in the first place. Therefore, they don't know if they did in fact transfer over or not, and thus will just think he's the original.
We know hell exists because of mr.demon detective. Which makes me hope we eventually get to see it and have a very pissed off satan with a few hundred thousand asian girl and a buch of these fun knuckle heads constantly fighting about whos the original.
I don't really understand how they don't know which ones the clone when they are laying down in different spots. The clone would have the originals memory of laying down on the left table from his point of view but then wake up on the right. Maybe they explained this at some point but that always bothered me.