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@pmwbison Месяц назад

If I was going to use it for construction site, I would get Electrician to build a small electrical panel. That get feed from the 240v plug and have 4 20 plugs on breakers. And then maybe a 50 foot 240 extension cord if you need to put in a central location.

@Digital-Dan Месяц назад

Came here to say essentially this.

@melonmelon2848 Месяц назад

Both trucks are pretty useful if you need them to, that's good to know

@usa-ev Месяц назад

From the Cybertruck owner's manual: "All AC power outlets combined (120V cabin, 120V cargo bed, and the 240V cargo bed outlet) are limited to a combined maximum of 40A."

@ryanstubbs3211 Месяц назад

Yeah, this was dumb. Read the owner's manual and find the specs.

@jameshisself9324 Месяц назад

Great hack. Remember that the power tools will draw considerably more under load when actually cutting or drilling or grinding, so running many of them at once (doubtful in the real world, I know) you could end up putting 40 amps or close to it through that pigtail.

@topherdean1024 Месяц назад

Ya, I was wondering, I have 100 amp service in my house. Sometimes I have people in my shop running routers, my table saw, charging batteries, chop saw and there's no problem. I have the table saw on a dedicated 20 amp and compressor/chopsaw on another 15. But my wife could be doing laundry and cooking with the oven and running the vacuum all at the same time too, plus lights, internet, maybe my son watching tv. It doesn't seem like one of these trucks could handle all that. I guess if the Cybertruck was plugged into your house during a power outage, you might be able to do all that? Not for long though. LOL

@jameshisself9324 Месяц назад

@@topherdean1024 Agreed, doubtful. What I was getting at is a saw or grinder that is just free spinning is a light current draw, but if there is wood going through the saw actually being cut the load is considerably higher during the actual cutting. As soon as the wood is through the blade the load drops back down again.

@topherdean1024 Месяц назад

@@jameshisself9324 Yes, I'm painfully aware of that. When I'm in the middle of a rip and the saw dies, it's time to up the breaker or switch to a different one. Anyway, having power in your truck puts all 3 EV trucks ahead of any gasoline truck. 🤔Didn't they say the Cybertruck was going to have a compressor to run nail guns too? I guess they axed that idea.

@jameshisself9324 Месяц назад

@@topherdean1024 Ahh ok cool. I agree it is a game changer. I don't do new construction much anymore but I can remember the hassles of having to provide your own power on a jobsite. What a difference this could make.

@troywhite6039 Месяц назад

@topherdean1024 If there where a power outage, especially for a long duration your probably going to be to busy with other stuff than running all those power hungry devices. For one you want to preserve food freezers from going out so and probably A/C to keep cool all else you would want to wait on unless absolutely necessary.

@wallykramer7566 Месяц назад

I was really smiling from the _Batman_ show transition sound! Thank you for cleaning up your descriptions of 120 or 240 volts. The legacy of 110/220 is over 40 years gone!

@itsallgoodaversa Месяц назад

“Toasty!” Reference was amazing. I’ve has that as my text tone for over 10 years.

@ryanstubbs3211 Месяц назад

Jesse working on that dad bod I see.

@SkepticalCaveman Месяц назад

The inside outlets can be used to charge batteries, for example.

@iowa_don Месяц назад

8:14 - Digging the Batman TV show sound effect!! 🤣🤣

@PygKLB Месяц назад

I see that Zac and Jesse’s beards are competitively growing.

@ryanstubbs3211 Месяц назад

Their bellies too.

@dennisarntz3177 Месяц назад

According to the Cybertruck owners manual, the max rating of both 120 volt plugs in the bed is 20 amps total, the cabin 120 volt plugs also are 20 amp max total and the 240 volt outlet in bed is 40 amps max. The total combined for all plugs together is limited to 40 amps. This is considerably lower than what you showed in the video. Please revisit this. Thanks

@usa-ev Месяц назад

I look forward to the hat eating episode.

@D0li0 Месяц назад

Could just do the kW (split phases), Lightning has 9.6kW (3.6+3.6)+(2.4) and the CyberTruck has 9.6kW (4.8+4.8) + Power share of 11.5kW, but then the Lightning also has the DC home power backup capabilities.

@usa-ev Месяц назад

@D0li0 But my guy, you're thinking rationally not emotionally, and that doesn't show how the CT is any better, and we've got all this Tesla stock, you see? Com'on, man!

@jcr5797 Месяц назад

they have the spliters that have fuses in them also that cost around $40 Interesting, the F150 is touted as a construction truck that people buy just for another vehicle. Where the CYBERTRUCK was designed as a vehicle that can also be used by construction worker or tow.

@robertfinck1275 Месяц назад

I think what you are demonstrating for average use would not be practical in real world use. Myself I would have the Truck charging cordless batteries for tools. Haven't used corded toold in at least a decade.

@odyshopody9387 Месяц назад

I see that they are trying to come up with whats possible and as time goes on we'll encounter all examples but i agree - it's all battery tools or large plug in saw tables.

@PlanetEarth3141 Месяц назад

Exactly. People use power tools with attachable batteries and they're rechargeable later. You bring somewhat more of the than needed by experience. Using non portable tools, especially at a site is mostly a gone idea. I don't think buying an expensive Cybertruck to power hand tools is really justifiable or will sell Cybertrucks. FSD, and star link built in are more important. Also automatic tire inflation or deflation to a set parameter for off roading.

@PlanetEarth3141 Месяц назад

This video series is not future iteration oriented and would be more interesting if it was. Cybertrucks next model will be better in lots of ways and this channel seems to not realize it ahead of time.

@Wi2Low Месяц назад

Hmmm. I think a circular saw is better corded, generally. A table saw needed on site will be corded. Lotsa tools are better corded.

@PlanetEarth3141 Месяц назад

@@Wi2Low The problem I have with your statement and all such comments and those who write them is lack of proof. If you can think then you should have real world statistical data to prove it. Since you didn't your statement is unfounded and only an opinion. Please prove me wrong to the benefit of everyone so we actually know when corded tools should be used or non corded tools. Not guesswork, but actually data driven tested results.

@NicholasBlair Месяц назад

I feel like space heaters would be a better way to draw a lot of power easily ( and safely 😅)

@JamesStout-eGandalf Месяц назад

And inexpensively…

@thomaswilliams4944 Месяц назад

Thanks fellas!!

@michaelsmithers4900 Месяц назад

Another good hack is to primarily use battery powered tools and use your outlets for charging batteries and maybe running compound mitre saw or a portable table saw as needed.

@DouglasJMark Месяц назад

Power to the Cybertruck people!

@imjody Месяц назад

Guys, I love these so much. Thank you for going into so much detail! It's insane how many things can be plugged in and running at full power on these trucks; especially the Cybertruck... That's like, a 1,200 watt microwave, a kettle boiling water, that gun, and a hair drier going at the same time with no problem. 😆Absolutely ludicrous and over the top, but nothing wrong with that!

@jrmoneyloser Месяц назад

I'm sorry...did we just get a Dan "Toasty" Fortson cameo!?!? 🤣🤣 Love it! 💪

@redplanet76 Месяц назад

great job guys

@TheWoodStroker Месяц назад

Tools under load use more juice. I usually only pop a fuse in my shop when tools are working very hard.

@GoTellJesusSaves Месяц назад

I think Zach will make a good Santa claus if he lets the beard grow. Thanks for playing in the Cybertruck. 👍 👍

@chettross9852 Месяц назад

I know you only want ideas from Patreon supporters, but I’m going to suggest them anyway. There is an accessory wire underneath the front tub of the Cybertruck. Can you use that wire to put a 110 outlet in the frunk? And if the wire for the light bar is by directional, can you put flexible, solar panels on the glass roof and plug them in and charge the battery.

@chadthibodeaux8533 Месяц назад

Well then be a patron supporter, it's a dollor

@trevormeyer2820 Месяц назад

I can help answer that for you. The accessory mid voltage system is not bidirectional. Nor can it support a 110/15 outlet as it is maxed at 180W. Here's what you could do though: use the accessory 45v system as a trickle charge maintainer that can be turned on and off to a 12v battery through a charge controller. In parallel to the battery wire an mppt solar charge controller and a 2kW inverter. Add solar to spec for your battery and controller. Then L1 charge your truck from the 110/15 inverter circuit.

@a1asdairpage Месяц назад

In the UK, or over engineered electrical plugs have a fuse in the plug. 👍🏼

@vincentdeleonjr1039 Месяц назад

always good stuff

@petribz400 Месяц назад

Yes we would run an extension cord out

@beerman1957 Месяц назад

240v times 40 amps is 9600 watts max. There’s a 20% safety buffer and that would cut the watts to about 7680 continuous power.

@stuz32 Месяц назад

I still vote removing the grinder disk for these tests, only takes half a second to be missing a finger... :-)

@usa-ev Месяц назад

Especially with that auto reset!

@Spatial_Computer Месяц назад

Jesse, dude, holding the angle grinder with fast spinning disk facing you, no safety glasses or shield and you think not looking at it will save you from injury? Glad electricity still works right. :)

@Mathis218337 Месяц назад

They coulda just taken the actual disc out lmao

@dennisarntz3177 Месяц назад

The 40 amp 240 volt Cybertruck outlet is good for a maximum amp of 40. When you split each side of the 240 circuit you still only have 40 amps total but now at 120 volts. So having 4- 120 volt outlets on your plug might be convenient for plugging in various appliances each plug is only good for a total of 40 amps by itself. But since it is a 20 amp plug you should limit it to just 20 amps. Again even though you have 4 outlets the max rating is still limited to using 20 amps on any 2 of them at one time. Remember circuit breakers are rated for amps not total power. If you tried using all 4 pluga at 20 amps the Cybertruck circuit breaker will trip. Please please have this verified by a certified electrician so other Cybertruck owners don't try to pull 80 amps from the 240 volt outlet. Again the wire and breaker are limited to 40 amps no matter what voltage it is on. Its the power that gets doubled for the same size wire when you go from 120 to 240 volts

@ZachGrady Месяц назад

This is correct the amperage is the limiting factor.

@matthewslome4786 Месяц назад

Would love to see the draw on those tools under load.

@highlanderapparel Месяц назад

You can put a construction site g f I on any of those chords The highlander

@migmigjohnson9351 Месяц назад

The ford can use its onboard power is usable while the ford is also charging.

@CalgarGTX Месяц назад

You didn't test if the 20amp cabin plug in the cybertruck was independant from the other ones either tho ? Or maybe I'm dumb

@supercadet111 Месяц назад

They tested that in the last video.

@usa-ev Месяц назад

@@supercadet111And they were connected. From CT owner's manual: "All AC power outlets combined (120V cabin, 120V cargo bed, and the 240V cargo bed outlet) are limited to a combined maximum of 40A."

@lesterng5748 Месяц назад

Be careful with the grinder you don't want to lose a toes or fingers !

@dennisarntz3177 Месяц назад

Your test showed the 40 amp plug using 4.3 KW or 4300 watts. Divided by 118 volts equals 36 amps. You did not exceed the the 40 amp rating. However Cybertruck says it's max rating for all plugs together is limited to 40 amps. The truck does not have 120 amp capability.

@virgilwhetsel5289 Месяц назад

You two are a hoot!! Fun to watch. FYI the 240V circuits on both the Ford and Tesla are using a common neutral conductor and any load on each of the two 120V circuits reduces the neutral load from the other 120V circuit. In other words the two 120V loads become series circuits on 240V and the neutral conductor only carries the imbalance. I wonder if there is any Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter (GFCI) built into the system to detect a ground fault to protect the user? Are the circuit breakers manual reset or do they reset automatically when the overload is removed? I'm an old, retired electrician who dreams of owning a Cybertruck along with my Model Y. (Wife is extremely skeptical that I actually need one;)

@surferdude4487 Месяц назад

That's the most technically accurate way I've ever heard about how the phase splitter works. BTW, my Dad was a master electrician for over 50 years.

@usa-ev Месяц назад

Ford has GFCI. Not sure about CT. Ford has manual reset CT auto resets after 2-3 seconds.

@GM-qh2ki Месяц назад

For a minute there you were going to accidentally point the heat gun at your hair and melt it!

@HernanSoberon Месяц назад

oh yea. plese give us more bloopers

@ch4.hayabusa Месяц назад

Dealership markups bring the lightning up to $93k... EE likes to bring up how cheap it was... Until dealerships get involved

@stephenreese5921 Месяц назад

Boats use this “trick” whenever they have limited service in the Abaco islands.

@danharold3087 Месяц назад

Does anyone see a product for the CT with individual breakers and heat monitoring for the source plug.

@lesterng5748 Месяц назад

If you need to run a welder cybertruck for the win

@coolmoneyify Месяц назад

What about the extension cord with a breaker built in.. they sell them at Home Depot I think

@doncloud5822 Месяц назад

kewl

@jimpearson7743 Месяц назад

Why not use the welding rig to test again? (or was that a 240 plug?)

@adonaicolon2136 Месяц назад

Can you include the Silverado? I'm debating on that one as well and more readily available.

@scottstormcarter9603 Месяц назад

electric heaters

@elborro444 Месяц назад

Interesting comparison for sure, but I think the real EV truck war is around range and charging performance

@MXP90DL Месяц назад

Good test, but the Ford does not beat tesla in range like Silverado does. Silverado doubles range of cybertruck and now your test is making me think that maybe the Chevy will give a strong test here to cybertruck.

@RayJohnson1980 Месяц назад

i wonder could you use nacs to charge another EV with DC power from the cybertruck battery to save on loses from conversion from dc>ac>dc

@RayJohnson1980 Месяц назад

also push the maximum of 14kw as 120amps x 120v is 14,400 watts

@thomasgauthier5691 Месяц назад

They should verify how the Cyber Truck's 20 Amp circuit breakers are split too. They easily did it to the F150, so they can do the same with the CT.

@supercadet111 Месяц назад

They tested that in the last video.

@Klaatu_ Месяц назад

I have a request regarding Cybertruck. I am interested in towing and going down hill. I believe there are different braking options and I would like to know more information about those options..

@IowaTech80 Месяц назад

+1 for toasty

@quokka7555 Месяц назад

Why won’t you drive it? You’ve had it for weeks and it’s always parked. Your patreon supporters are on the spectrum if they’re voting for this…

@SR-he5wi Месяц назад

Lots a tools with no loads on them.

@CL-gq3no Месяц назад

It's telling them how much power they are drawing, so why does it matter? They are just trying to pull amps/watts using loads they happen to own, not determine some bizarre combination of duplicate tools that can run at once under unknown conditions. They could have used 6 toasters. As long as they are measuring in watts or amps it's irrelevant how the load was generated.

@pfcrow Месяц назад

What are the odds of Ford getting a recall on the bed outlets for putting out 30A when they should be limited to 20A? That seems unsafe (like using the splitter). Likewise, is Tesla likely to get a recall on the auto-reset of the fuse causing stuff to come back on (perhaps right after setting down the "off" tool)? At least Tesla could fix that in software.

@EricSmith-hx3gp Месяц назад

The outtake was probably my favorite part. More outtakes!!!

@tumbleweed1976 Месяц назад

Another option $1500 USD buys a portable power unit, DC-DC charger and a 200watt solar panel. Run chorded and battery tools all day.

@CL-gq3no Месяц назад

Those things don't put out anywhere near this much power and could easily be fully discharged before the days work is over.

@tumbleweed1976 Месяц назад

No issues for my mobile work/lifestyle.

@CL-gq3no Месяц назад

@@tumbleweed1976, great, but those are completely different use cases. Powering some electronics and an occasional coffee pot or microwave is not anywhere near the 10kW loads a cybertruck can run for many hours straight. Both could get a lot of jobs done, but not on the same level.

@tumbleweed1976 Месяц назад

@@CL-gq3no If I ever use my battery for a coffee pot or microwave I’ll report back.

@dennisarntz3177 Месяц назад

I would not recomend using a Nema 14-50 240 volt to 120 volt adapter on any EV. Use the 120 volt plug, and if needed use a power cord with multiple outlets. Remember don't exceed the 20 amp rating for all plugged in devices. The 14-50 plug should only be used in an emergency where you need 120 volt power and the existing 120 outlet is not working. In a 4 wire system like the 14-50 plug if the white ground wire becomes disconnected then the device feeds 240 volts to whatever is plugged into the 120 volt outlet which will result in an overload and fire.

@johnpoldo8817 Месяц назад

Wait a minute, if the white wire is disconnected on a two wire circuit, there is no return path other than ground at 120V. To get 240v, you need L1 connected to L2, unless I’m missing something.

@whattheschmidt Месяц назад

If the neutral becomes floating it will not work on those 120V adapters. 2 of them use 1 hot and neutral and the other 2 use the other hot and the same neutral (14-50 neutral). Without that neutral connection the tools just wouldn't work on the 240V adapter.

@chazzageorge3506 Месяц назад

Amazing video with definitive proof! I have one glaring concern with cybertruck, I have been seeing videos on the cybertruck range when towing and it seems shocking!!!!!! Please get to this topic quickly before it spirals Zack and Jessie!! also I would love for tesla in a year to say to all cybertuck owners that their cyber truck can go double the range for a fee. This can sound bad, but it would be a battery win i've been waiting for.

@joelm077 Месяц назад

This was cool until you brought in safety and code. My whole crew gets a tool!

@MrHomer1995 Месяц назад

Why does that silly ohsa guy meme pop into my head??

@GlenKowalchuk Месяц назад

Jessie electronics 101 ❤😊

@MarkBarrett Месяц назад

Would have been nice to include the Silverado.

@CL-gq3no Месяц назад

They don't have one. They buy these cars themselves. GM isn't even selling them yet AFAIK.

@anthonystefanacci9890 Месяц назад

You should be using watts as the comparator between the trucks, not amps.

@Havark420 Месяц назад

Notification crew

@supercadet111 Месяц назад

"Unfortunately"...Come on Jesse, your fanboy is showing. "Surprisingly" maybe😅😅

@usa-ev Месяц назад

LOL, so biased. That wasn't even the worst of it. The worst is that they've tried so hard to prove CT superior it has completely corrupted their ability to see clearly and act with integrity.

@MortekX Месяц назад

I think it takes 3 phases for 240. 3 phases are spread to 3 outlets 1 phase each here.

@surferdude4487 Месяц назад

FYI: 3 phase in North America is typically 208 volts. that's 120 volts between any phase and neutral, but 208 between any two phases.

@ZachGrady Месяц назад

That's wrong. In North America 240V is single phase that is then split into two 120V circuits. If you live in North America go look at you power lines, follow them back to your transformer you'll see that the primary side of the transformer is only connected to 1 phase of the grid.

@nickpanagiotes2608 Месяц назад

Why do you start off by saying "unfortunately the ford beat the cyber truck " can't you be more unbiased?

@usa-ev Месяц назад

No, they can't. They've got too much invested, literally.

@AlanRogers250 Месяц назад

The Ford also has outlets in the frunk.

@JamesStout-eGandalf Месяц назад

They got to that later in the video.

@PalimpsestProd Месяц назад

So, fair and unbalanced. That's on brand.

@usa-ev Месяц назад

😉

@anthonystefanacci9890 Месяц назад

Are you sure there is code you’re breaking? I thought electric codes like the NEC didn’t apply to vehicles which is why RVs can do what they want haha.

@CL-gq3no Месяц назад

It's probably not breaking code technically, but it would be if it was a house. They are "housing codes" after all. Having said that, for the same price they could have bought a splitter with 2 x 20 amp breakers built into it. They are available on amazon for $20 to $35. So same result without the risk.

@PlanetEarth3141 Месяц назад

Rats, we just ruined our new Cybertruck. Call the tow truck.

@philmagill6171 Месяц назад

Math is wrong on the CT 50a splitter…. It’s only taking (2) 20a circuits and splitting them into (4) receptacles… but it’s still only (2) 20a circuits. So the total including up front should be - 20a x 4 = 80a. Should probably test the CT two front receptacles just like you did on the Lightning, to see if they’re (1) or (2) circuits. Sorry for the bad news… Tesla fan, driving a MX Plaid, and I’m a FL licensed electrical contractor.

@trevormeyer2820 Месяц назад

Hmmm .. (240v40a)/120v, or 9.6kW/120v = 80a. Split that 4 ways and you should have 20a each no problem.

@CL-gq3no Месяц назад

A North American 240 volt 40 amp circuit is made up of two 120 volt 40 amp circuits, not two 120v 20a circuits. So that is 80 amps total at 120 volts just from that NEMA 14-50 plug. The other two 120v plugs are 20A each as you mentioned. Total = 120 amps at 120 volts, at least based on plug ratings. More than likely the inverter has a total limit based on time/temperature that may prevent the outlets from being fully maxed out continuously.

@philmagill6171 Месяц назад

I stand corrected… I worded that incorrectly. You are correct… (2) 50a/120v circuits are being shared amongst the (4) outlets of that splitter. I guess I was simply arguing how they presented the info (as if it was (4) individual 20a/120v circuits… but really it’s (2) 50a/120v circuits shared between (4) outlets.

@philmagill6171 Месяц назад

And looking at the math equation in units of kW is smarter… but not always straightforward for the average Joe.

@LaCrosseEscapeRoom Месяц назад

First!

@subthousandoaks Месяц назад

Do you want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?!!!!!

@heyitstim3618 Месяц назад

doing literally anything to make people think CT is better

@Francisco_Manos Месяц назад

They are showing you exactly how the Cyber truck is better. You don't like facts?

@CL-gq3no Месяц назад

People use splitters like that on generators and temporary job site power poles all the time for the same reasons, lot's of power, but not enough outlets in the desired combinations. I don't think it's a big stretch to do the same on a cybertruck.

@usa-ev Месяц назад

@@Francisco_ManosHere's a fact: The CT Owner's Manual states: "All AC power outlets combined (120V cabin, 120V cargo bed, and the 240V cargo bed outlet) are limited to a combined maximum of 40A."