Out of all the characters, Dan is, by far, the one that changed the most. Thereby making him one of the best characters in the whole series. A villain turned hero. A man who deserves redemption, and above all, forgiveness. Not just by his family but by everyone. Especially those who truly understand why he was an asshole to begin with. Jealousy and anger are very ugly things. And those that can get passed it and change deserve all the forgiveness in the world
@@p.merle7-11he was able to redeem himself as Keith reunited with his brother forgiving him as they both went to heaven. He did bad things but he was able to do a lot more good in the end
This might be an unpopular opinion but I’m happy that Lucas and Karen didn’t come. It’s much more realistic that Lucas couldn’t forgive Dan and refused to come see him one last time. Remember, Dan abandoned Karen and Lucas from the start. He was never a father to him. Aside from some fleeting moments, Lucas never felt fatherly love from Dan, love that Nathan has gotten and felt from Dan. But Keith gave unconditional love to Lucas and Karen from the day Lucas was born and even before that. Keith was Lucas’ dad and the father of his sister. His sister will never know her dad because of Dan. People might say well it might give him closure. Sometimes you just don’t want or need that closure. And Dan really doesn’t deserve that closure from Lucas or Karen for the way he has hurt them. What hurts more than anger and hatred to someone? Utter indifference to their life and that’s what Lucas has towards Dan and in a way, that’s his closure. You can’t expect someone to want to see a man who killed their dad, let alone forgive him, regardless of his motivations or acts of kindness afterwards.
Dan was convinced Keith tried to kill him. It's pretty justified as to why he shot Keith. Dan felt betrayed by Keith first so he probably thought if he didn't kill him then Keith would kill him sometime
@@blake7065 That's still no justification for fratricide. He thought his brother tried to kill him, so he murdered him in the middle of a school shooting, and framed a (mostly) innocent kid in Jimmy Edwards. There's nothing he could have thought Keith did to justify that.
@@frederalbacon Would you have this same sympathy for the shooter jimmy edwards if this happened in real life? Keith planned to kill Dan and wanted to and he was going to but Deb told him she was going to be the one to do it so he let her. In my opinion dan is worse than dan even.
@@blake7065 "The shooter Jimmy Edwards" didn't shoot anyone except himself, and he was a suicidal depressed teenager. So, yes, still have the same sympathy for a teenager who kills themself, even if they do it in a school. Keith was worse for thinking about burning down the dealership? He DIDN'T DO IT. He let someone talk him out of it. THAT'S WHY HE IS BETTER. Dan actually pulled the damn trigger.
I love this moment between Nathan and Dan. True forgiveness and love. I wish Lucas and Karen could have been apart of this. I know they had such anger in their hearts, which is understandable, but ultimately forgiveness isn't for the other person. It's for you. It would have been great to see Karen and Lucas have the opportunity to do that like Nathan, Deb, and Haley got to.
As Dan said to Haley he was never a father to Lucas he took away the only father he's ever known. Do you expect there to be forgiveness there? I don't.. He may have changed but he never wanted Lucas or Karen. He raised Nathan so there's a difference there. Lucas and Karen forgave him enough to move on all he deserves from them. As for Haley she forgave for what he put her and Nathan through. He saved her husband and child. There is a lot of respect there from Haley. But as far as how he treats Lucas and Karen and how he treated Keith that's not gone and it still hurts her even as they talked about it and he apologizes for taking Keith away from her too
Nathan: Dad, why does this have to be so difficult? You're my father so I should love you but I spent so much of my life hating you. Dan: I was a terrible father. I know that. Nathan: You know, I can justify a lot of the screwed up things you've done. You bullied me because you wanted to make me tough. You tried to ruin my marriage because you wanted me to have a career. You even burned down your diner because you wanted to see me again. But I can't understand how you can murder your own brother. And I'm worried, when you're gone that's all I'll remember, and still hate you for it. Dan: You should hate me for it. Nathan: So why did you do it? Dan: I was always jealous of Keith. Even when we were kids. I was athletic, popular, all the things that he wasn't, but still, I was jealous of him. And people were drawn to Keith, and I hated him for it. Nathan: So you shot him because people liked him more? Dan: The day I shot Keith I was in a dark place. I was convinced that he tried to kill me, I had lost you, divorced your mom, my life was spiraling downwards and meanwhile Keith was building a new life with my high school sweat-heart and the child I'd abandoned. Every time I looked at him I felt I like I was punched in the gut. Nathan: So what happened in that hallway? Dan: Keith wanted to go into the school to save that kid, so I let him go, hoping he'd get shot. Let him be the hero, as long as he was a dead hero. And then I thought, why should he be the hero, when it could be me? So I followed him in. Jimmy was crying and Keith was telling him, it gets better, that pain in your heart, that voice in your head that tells ya there's no way out, it's wrong. It gets better. And I felt like he was talking to me. And in that moment, maybe the most heroic, kindest moment of my big brothers life, I hated him. I hated him more than anyone, or anything. Because nothing had gotten better. That pain was still in my heart. That voice in my head saying there's no way out was right! And he was standing there, lying to me! And after Jimmy died, I picked up the gun and aimed it at Keith, and he looked at me, and all I could think of was how everything that had gone wrong in my life was his fault. And it wasn't going to get better until he was gone. Just pull the trigger and it all ends. So I pulled that trigger. And It didn't end! It got worse. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. [Dan breaks down crying] Nathan: There are a lot of people you need to say I'm sorry to, but I'm not one of them. I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for you. My career, my family, my life. No matter what you've done, you're still my father. My father, and I love you. Dan: Oh Nathan, I love you too. Dan: You know, we never got a chance to play a game together on the river court. How bout it? Nathan: What do you want to play to? Dan: Let's not keep score. For once, lets just play to play.
and to think one tree hill was suppose to just be a simple movie named ravens, how could they ever put all the history from these 9 seasons into a movie!
Hahah yeah this show was way overdone. This scene is nice but tbh like the whole show went to shit after like season 2 honestly. The best episodes were the first half of season 1, after that it gets ridiulous.
@@vishnukota1369 why? Keith and deb wanted to kill him but they failed. He just did perfectly what they tried to him. When deb says to dan that she is her who try to kill him, just look how dan hated himself for killing his brother. Keith and deb are the worst
I think it would have been really interesting to see how Lucas would have reacted to this, the idea that Dan felt Keith was responsible for everything that had gone wrong in his life.
This is crazy he was such an evil man filled with hatred did some awful unforgivable things and now we are crying for him not wanting him to die. I wasn't ready for this at the end.
I was at a gas station and saw the actor who played Dan he was grabbing snacks and drinks for what looked like a fishing trip I wanted to ask em for a picture but he had already taken some with a bunch of people in the store he was super nice looked happy to be recognized
I always wondered what Luke and Karen might have said to dan had they been there. While I know the both probably wouldn’t have forgiven dan for killing Keith, but at least they would have gotten some closure.
i think it would had been even sadder if both Nathan and Lucas showed up and spend their last moment with Dan...clearly One Tree Hill did start off with them two as the main character...how sad
Not always. Lucas gave Dan plenty of chances. Thanked him for saving his life, and even started calling him Dad just before finding out that Dan killed Keith.
TheKOng2000 only problem was Lucas would have never forgiven dan maybe he would come to terms with it but dan killed lucas father and a son could never forgive someone for that no matter what compared to Nathan not being as close with Keith even tho he still hated dan a place in his heart would always be ready to live his father
Dan loved his family more than anything and he had a hard time expressing that love to them and I think that, that might have something to do with Dan's father. His father may have taught him that showing love and emotion means your weak and you have to be tough and show none of those feelings. And the reason why Dan was so tough on Nathan was because he knew Nathan had a lot of potential to be the best so he pushed him to the best that he could. Dan loved Nathan so much and with his tough love for his son, his son made a wonderful life, I'm not saying Dan was right for giving Nathan that tough love but sometimes we do need that in order to make it on our own.
@@boomds5602 I agree, but it did have potential with Nathan, just think they went the wrong way with it. But their were a few good episodes the final 3 years.
As Nathan also said, a lot of the messed things Dan did was out of his love for him and for him to achieve the greatness Dan knew he could. I think that this is why Dan ended up becoming one of my favourite characters in the series.
Portia M. And that makes all the shitty things ok? Sorry I beat the crap out of you and almost killed you son. It’s only because I love you. That’s what all the abusers say
The misconception about one tree hill is that it’s Nathan or Lucas’ show. When in reality from day 1 it’s always been about Dan the rest of the characters were just side stories. We see this man go from arrogant prick to psychotic killer, to a dead man walking, to a man on an endless redemption tour, to hero. We hate him for so long but yet in season 5 we start hoping Nathan forgives him.
Yes but, was it a dream sequence to DAN, where the conversation actually did happen, but as it happened...in Dan's mind, was he on the river court, slipping in and out of consciousness while he talked to Nathan from the hospital bed? The part that struck me as a dream was when he and Nate were playing together. At the point where he tells Nathan he loved him too is where I imagined he closed his eyes and stopped talking in reality but the dream kept going until his heart stopped in the vision and in reality.
