Danmachi is NOT an SAO Clone 

1:30 You have Fire Force listed as Demon Slayer

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I always just assume bells magnetic personality was due to his relation to Zeus who throughout mythology has tried to bone everything under the sun

He actually praised SAO a little. Now *thats* what I call character development

80% of comments: SAO clone text memes 15% of comments: fire force demon slayer point-outs 5% of comments: danmachi fans typing their hearts out

Why is he calling ballsdeep69 Klein who’s that

You missed a very obvious connection. Kirito and Bell have the same voice actor

Bell is an epitome of talent meets hard work while Kirito is walking cheat code. Bell is young and naive but he’s growing as person, the only thing Kirito is growing is the size of his harem

Wait what people really thought danmachi was a sao clone Wtf

You see, the thing is, you can't make a clone from damaged DNA.

I personally think Klein and his guild deserve their own spinoff series all about their time in SAO. I mean come on, they survived two years of floor clearing with no casualties. They were epic tier S class badasses, man.

The Danmachi light novels are AMAZING, very addictive writing style, well written fight scenes, descriptive enough do get your imagination going, no drawn out exposition. The character relations are very unique; human, demi-humans, gods, monsters, etc all have believable back stories and history. It even tackles subjects like a gods love affair with mortals. I highly recommend reading the LNs, they are seriously good

"Sometimes you got some feelings and you just need to monetize them" - Lindsay Ellis

*SAO clone or not* We can all agree that Speedwagon is best girl

Internet: Dan Machi is just an Sao clone Mother’s Basement: 4 years later Internet: Mother’s Basement: DAN MACHI IS NOT AN SAO CLONE!!!

"Danmachi is a romantic comedy" Well waint until the third season when the series gets way darker.

It's been less than 20 minutes and the comments are filled with nothing but comments saying that Fire Force isn't Demon Slayer.

I love Danmachi not because of Bell's harem or his fights not even bell. To me bell is just a medium to explore the vast world of Danmachi rich in lore and mystery of the gods, the dungeon, the upper relm and the lower, the story of the characters it is made of and the story they will make together. Honestly the thing that made me fall in love with the series is the speach that Hermes gave at the end of the first season. That speech made it clear that this world that they live in is complicated mysterious and most importantly grand, full of things for the characters to explore. Just thinking about how the world itself will unravel made my heart race and hairs of my body to rise up in excitement

Raise your hand if you're imagining all the SAO scenes in this vid with the Abridged Series' voices

The Goddesses were stalking him because Hestia's notorious for being a virgin goddess, like her myth. They like new stuff, and Hestia being in love is new, so yeah.

1:32 Ooooh you aren’t gonna hear the end of that for the rest of the day.

Danmachi's season 4 just finished, and since this season was pretty much all dungeon, the rom/com elements (especially the com side) went WAY down temporarily. Super action-packed season with tons of epic moments and epic monsters where the outcomes were in doubt, arguably its best work on some levels. Watching this reminded me that it wasn't always like this, and now I'm wondering where it goes from here.

1:31 ah yes I like that part in demon slayer when tanjiro start doing dance of the sun god out of his feet

One thing I like about the Danmachi series is that not every single female character is in love with Bell. Ryuu and Mikoto just see's him as a good friend , the girls in Loki familia think he's interesting due to his rapid growth, the Ishtar familia were only interested in one *ahem* specific area of Bell due to their profession. And all the goddesses minus Freya and Hestia chase him because he's an interesting/cute mortal to mess with or more specifically probably just to mess with Hestia. In short the only girls who truly are in love with Bell are those who have spent long periods of time with him like Hestia and Lily who Bell has helped and saved them from not only external threats but their own personal demons.

"...and all at 14 years old!" So, a late bloomer, then? Also, can we make this a series? Just comparing isekai anime to SAO?

The Harem aspect is not really the main aspect of the show, mostly the dungeon labyrinth and the fights. And the author strongly stated it's not a harem in the end, as he stated the only ship for Bell that would end up is Aiz. And his power up isn't just some ass pull. It's based on his strive, and determination for him to be on the same level as Aiz. And it's a lot more darker than what the show shows it to be.

10:48. "I want some F. " The entire reason for art, science philosophy and war summed up in one concise sentence. Truly this man is beyond humanities puny understanding. He has ascended.

Ik this is late asf but bell isn’t overpowered, actually he’s pretty underpowered and only gets a boost in his abilities under certain circumstances

My almost immediate thought at the title premise was, "these are the same people that claimed _Martian Successor Nadesiko_ was an _Evangelion_ clone, aren't they?"

*Thank you!* I love Danmachi, and a million times, I've heard people call Bell a blank-slate protagonist. It's so nice to finally see someone acknowledge his personality. As well as the series as a whole. Though, I will say, season 2 felt a bit like a train wreck. Not to say it was *bad,* but. As someone following the LN's, I couldn't help but be irritated by how much content got cut. Mooost of volume 8 got entirely skipped -- and there were a lot of moments for fleshing out various characters in that.

13:31 That's Ballsdeep69 to you good sir!

3:30,, romantic comedy..." LN readers: yeah..... Ofc....

Pope: "I can't tell you why I'm making this" Me: *looks at that yellow* "I can."

1:30 demon Slayer looks different than I remember

THAAAAAAAAAAAANK YOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUU! Danmachi is my current favorite light novel series and it makes me so happy to see people enjoying it. There is something magical about seeing a series you have been following since day one be enjoyed by a large number of people. It really is a shame the series wasn't called Familia Myth like it was originally supposed to be titled, i genuinely think a large amount of criticism stems from the misunderstanding of looking at the title at face value. It makes the series seem a lot more tasteless than it actually is. Contrary to first impressions Danmachi is NOT a guide to picking up girls in a dungeon, in fact the harem aspects are pretty benign. It helps that Bell only has "eyes" for "Ais" while anyone else unfortunate enough to have a crush on him is relegated to friend zone, little sister zone, older sister zone, daughter zone, goddess zone, or some other nonromantic relationship (meaningless internet points for the people who know who fits into which category. At it's core Danmachi is less about the harem and more of a pure shounen, with a main character who pursues strength and develops from hardship and the people he meets along the way. If the title was as it should have been instead of the current title I think it would have been received much more positively. People would compare it more to naruto or fairy tail instead of isekai smartphone and SAO. It has much more in common with the former than the latter. That said it is still not revolutionary even as a shounen, but like My hero academia it does shounen tropes well i think.

No, Bell actually struggles and has a personality. Zing!

I was starting Danmachi's first episode and got this video's notification, coincidence?

Make a “what’s in a op” for JoJo part 5

Isekai have its on genre now, not all "fantasy" is a "isekai"

Bell is an epitome of hard work while Kirito is a walking cheat code

I genuinely love this show, from the first time I viewed season 1, I was anxiously awaiting 2, sometimes I would just watch reviews of the light novel to pass the time, or look up the ost (really nice tavern theme imo). Danmachi means a lot to me, and I'm glad you were able to voice some of the things I usually scream at the screen in the anime's small amount of reviews. Thank you.

Bell actually had struggles and flaws. There were moments where you genuinely wondered how he could possibly win a fight. Moments where you cared about the characters, and what would happen to them. There's none of that in SAO. Kirito virtually never struggles. He's a near perfect person you always know is going to win a fight, thus destroying any kind of tension. Kirito is a terribly written character, in a show filled to the brim with them; where nothing ever matters, and every outcome is a given from the start. Danmachi is full of entertaining characters you want to root for, and that are entertaining to watch. Hell, I think Bell is actually a pretty good role-model! He's kind, empathetic, helpful, and tries his hardest no matter what. Danmachi might not have some epic story, where a bunch of memorable stuff happens, but at least it's a fun ride with likable characters. Specifically, Hestia, who will always be: The Bestia.

Bell is not horny on main. He's not uninterested in sex, but he is deeply, deeply ashamed of those feelings and suppresses them as hard as he can for basically the entire runtime so far, which is why Hermes trolling him is so funny.

I've never seen DanMachi and I consider myself mostly straight B U T holy crap, Bell seems so cute that I can totally buy the idea of him having a gigantic harem. Now I think I have to watch it.

Oh No... This anime just brought up a legit reason for the harem thing. Wenn Bell is stalked by love godesses, they could easily male every girl fall for Bell because they are shippers and want their otp come true. And yes, that's the purpose of a love godess in myths

Anime is anime is anime is anime. *adds Danmachi to queue

I had previously watched a few of your videos, but this is the one that convinced me to subscribe. Great articulation of my own feelings about both SAO and DanMachi, particularly in regards to the writing around relationship building.

Loved the vid Geoff. I always dig your character analysis and your dissection of fantasy shows. Hope this one makes the waves of views that it deserves to.

"Okay I believe you "

1:32 has demon slayer puts fire force. Yeah your not hearing the end of this one

I really appreciate you putting the titles of all the other anime in the video, keep up the good work!

"Hestia the Bestia" xD Bestia is "beast" in spanish, so that sounded funny to me haha.

Believe it or not this is actually one of my favorite videos you've ever done. And just from your description of the show I actually want to try danmachi.

15:11 damn I miss log horizon. 😭 Wish that one was still ongoing in anime format.

Started watching Danmachi season 2 finally and saw this pop up in my youtube feed. I keep forgetting how damn good of a writer you are, your script flows so well

The first arc had me rolling my eyes, but the second one lifted my spirits. Although why couldn't the fox girl actually be "impure". Kind of softened the moment for me.

Dude, you’re catching the hands for that Fire Force/Demon Slayer mixup for the rest of the month- F in the comments

This reminds me of a 2016 review of Danmachi that I made and deleted saying that character interaction was what made Danmachi better than SAO

I been debating about getting this in anime or not, few people showed it to keep since I'm trying get back into anime. Might save to get this sometime. Your video has been very informative and I thank you

Wow! I never noticed how similar the Minotaur fight was to gleam eyes. SAO completely lost me when Kirito started fighting a NAKED, ONE-ARMED, Purple Haired Asuna clone.

Finally Someone Backs Danmachi! Its so good and deserves better than being labeled together with SAO

I want more out-of-season takes. To go, please.

Good vid 👌🏿. You know I'm looking forvard to season 3 and 4 of danmachi. New harem member and Ryuu in depth. Man can't wait how they'll make it.

I know I'm a bit late for this, but I just wanted to say I appreciated your effort and time put into this video, considering (as you mentioned) Danmachi aired about 5 years ago. My brother started the show recently and was trying to get me to watch it, but I wasn't entirely sold on the concept seeing as I don't care for the harem genre. So I was glad to find a video expressing your thoughts on the show, as it gave me a concise and concrete reason to give it a shot.

Danmachi is my absolute favorite!

i just finished binging danmachi s2 today so this is great

2015 was my first year of really being into anime and Danmachi came out during that time, it was one of the first I watched and I loved it. I watched quite a few different anime during that time, but just stopped until about a month ago now. I rewatched Danmachi and then the movie and then season 2, I really enjoyed it. It makes me happy to still see people talking about it because I haven't heard anything about it for years now. I very much enjoyed the video and the arguments are all solid, even though I'm months late.

A week or two ago I mentioned Danmachi in a discord server, and the first thing someone did was compare it to SAO. That just kind of irked me, because I didn't think the shows were so similar that it warranted a comparison right off the bat when I hadn't even mentioned SAO in the first place. So basically this (excellent) video came at an oddly appropriate time

This is an entire video of those"hey remember that one argument I would totally win that now" random thoughts

1:32 says demon slayer but showed fire force

such an amazing video I loved it. love listening to it on the bus and while I am relaxing

funny enough Bell and Kirito has the same seiyuu, along with Eina having the same seiyuu as Asuna.

Enjoyed the video but do have one comment; I’ve found the light novels of Danmachi have a higher focus on the battle and dungeon crawling aspect than the anime does; not that they don’t also have the character aspect you praised and quite a bit of it, I just feel the anime chooses more often to cut or trim more expensive to animate action scenes than cheaper to animate character moments that gives a greater emphasis to the slice of life aspects in the anime than they have in the books, for better or worse.

As someone who has read the Light Novels, I can also tell you this series has a fucking great Rivalry, part of which the anime has already experienced but we won't get to fully for a while. I'm only watching the anime to see it.

Hey Mothers basements is there any were I can watch anime free? I use crunchy roll but I want to watch it add free and I can't use vrv due to vrv not being in my area. I don't really want to sign up or pay.

Loved that you put the anime names.

bell is one of the EXTREMELY rare fantasy/harem protagonists who actually, like, has a design, and that makes him considerably appealing to girls as well

I can never compare both Kirito to Bell. To me they are completely different characters. What happens around them doesn’t change my mind when comparing characters. Edit: Read lower part If you want Bell has his own personality which is why to me it’s difficult to compare him to anyone. Though something I like about Bell is that it feels like he earns his abilities. I believe without the cheat he would have been stronger but take more time. They basically speed it up his progress but he still trains and practices after that. He also didn’t get his EXP skill from Zeus but from his own feelings and determinations. The magic of fireball was lucky but even I get luck in games so to me it makes sense as long as everything he gains isn’t from luck.

7 years since the orginal sao anime came out and geoff still talking about it. Damn that some dedication. Damn itcalmost been tens years since sao came out!? Times flies.

Can you make video about top best anime you think need to fix them or your opinion about the OP, I love your channel 🙏🏻👏🏻

As a fairly recent anime convert, I appreciate this ice cold tea

Sees Fire Force. "Demon Slayer" in corner. Not going to lie, that kind of triggered me a bit.

Great vid man. U really did capitalized on why both are different in their own retrospective nature.

Ayo can you do another vídeo on danmachi cause honestly with season 4 things are changing and it is something that I really liked how the continues to shy away from the objective being get the girl even creating other plot points that create a greater story

Next week's video: "Fruits Basket 2019 Is Also Something That Is Not SAO"

I mean I completely expected this but this is just Geoff’s excuse to write another video slamming SAO...again 😂

13:35 - Sword Art Online has a spin-off manga focusing round Leafa, Silica and Lisbeth - “Sword Art Online: Girls Ops”

This was a really nice analysis I may have to check out Danmachi

It is impossible because “Is it wrong to try to pick up girls in a Dungeon?” Is 11 months older then “Sword Art Online”

Tbh I was totally blown away by how good the writing was on this show. Well in terms of what I expected it to be based on the title.

What episode was that charged fire bolt at 7:26 ?

Hey Jeff can you make a video on your thoughts on Sao abbrigged(something witty entertainment).

No, it's obviously a JoJo reference with slight but noticeable influences from Cory in the House.

Well, they have the same voice actor for the main character.

its kind of hilarious that when i look at the shows clips with out audio all i can thinks about is there abridged counter parts

Just as you say Kirito being so op in everything he does and him and all his friends having plot armour. Belle actually has to work to gain the experience necessary to overcome his obsticalls. I personally atribute Belle skills at getting girls to fall for him is a side effect to being related to Zeus. Plus being genuinely kind and caring to everyone he meets.

Lol its funny how when the clip from fire force popped up it said demon slayer in the corner of the screen

The video shows fire force, but the text says demon slayer Me: Two birds with one stone

not bad Geoff I actually want to watch Danmachi now so yeah great video!

Two different genres. Two swordsman, Bell's development feels earned, while Kirito's went from believable to craptastic.