Tried my best to discuss the most frequently asked questions in the comments of my Dark season 3 videos. Hope this is helpful, let me know what you think.
Really helpful video! :) I have doubt that I asked previously but didn't found logically convincing answer. It would be great if you could help me out. If in the end, Adam's aim was to kill alternate Martha then why sent her to save Jonas during Apocalypse and have baby with younger alt-Martha? Why not kill her before that? Why even send her to save Jonas? Adam's aim was to break the knot, then he should have killed alt-Martha rather than sending her to save Jonas during apocalypse. Him sending alt-Martha to save Jonas was the reason of Unknown being born.
X-Phoenix Knight My take on that was, that Adam needed to convince Alt Martha that he is on her side, wants to help save her world. So he prolly made up some BS story that she needed to save Jonas from the apocalypse by taking him to her world etc. So that later on he can betray her and kill her, thus destroying the “Origin”
I have one thing that I want an answer of. If Old Claudia used the Apocalypse time glitch to send herself on a different path to Adam, then why does she then goes to Adult Claudia and tell her that everything is finally going to end? And thereafter she supposedly goes back to 1954 to tell Egon that she's sorry and gets killed. Am I missing something here?
You have not talk about problem it called the grandfather paradox. It when you go back in time and kill you grandfather for example. Because of you actions, you do not existed and so for you do not kill you grandfather. Because you grandfather is live and you're born and then later you kill you grandfather. By killing you grandfather, you do not exist by doing this makes the Godfather paradox. Couple and child had car accident and dies Father builds time machine martha and jonas goes back in time and save couple and child by stopping them Couple and child are live and father does not builds time machine martha and jonas does not existed because of this can't go back in time to save couple with kid Because of this couple and kid dies from car accident. Father builds time machine and now martha and jonas does exist and keeps on going around
Poor Bartosz. Seeing his reaction when his baby is born and then when Silja names him Hanno. He knew right there it was all setup. And then to be killed by his own son.
Claudia couldn't interfere in the origin world because there's a version of her there! If she had tried to change things there, she may have created more loops. She decides to try sending jonas and Martha there and it works because they don't exist in that world. I do think they are a shadow of taunhaus kid and his wife, which is also pretty cool. I love the ending!
I also think that's how Claudia knew about the original world. Because Claudia WAS in the original world, unlike Adam and Eva. They were stuck forever in a loop, while Claudia was able to learn more and more knowledge when each loop ended.
I've had the same feelings over other shows but not this, I think dark is overrated I mean I liked it, but I have seen much better shows, with much better elaborated plots, including anime, If you think that this is a good show, it is because you do not know other series apart from those of Netflix, as I say, there are even anime that are considered bad, that have a better plot than dark, dark is overrated by people who don't even watch series casually
Joel Acosta okay i respect your opinion but like, dark is the most complicated series i have ever seen, have you ever watched something that hard to understand?
Imagine applying this ending to the real world. Time travel could have been invented in our world an infinite number of times, always giving rise to timeloops, that eventually destroy themselves before we ever know they existed.
Noahs time machine was built to send helge back to his time, so that he could grow up to become adult helge that helps build the same time-machine. Another loop in the story.
@@anasarracena Noah sent Helge to 1954. One year after incident 1953. Ulrich hit Helge's Face. And put him into bunker. And then somehow, portal between timeline created. He see Jonas. Helge sent to 1987, Jonas Sent 2053. Sorry my bad english.
Danz Putra When Helge and Jonas see each other in the bunker, portal was created when the Stranger destroyed the passage in the cave. Jonas sent to 2053, Helge to 1954, not 1987 as mentioned at the end. Now, question is why didn’t they end up in the same place as Charlotte and Elizabeth did?🤔
Adam = oldest man; clueless Eve/Eve = oldest woman; clueless Claudia = snake = holder of all knowledge Apple that changed the world = pokeball time machine that changed the worlds
Imagine a strong love that creates two worlds Jonas was his anger of tanhaus losing his child and Martha of alt world was his love and affection towards his child
I woild say the tanhaus son and son's wife were like Jonas and Martha. And there child being with blue eyes the son of them you can see that in the original world also. Jonas angers represents Tanhaus son and Martha like his wife as she loves the child. A wild guess
I don't remember watching a show as satisfying as Dark ever. I am still bemused by the sheer amount of detail and work that has gone into making this masterpiece. And now... What else can I watch?
I must say that the last scene of season 2 really had me dreading a crappy ending to the show. Bringing in alternate realities seemed like it was bound to take all bets off the table and just break all the logic the show had so carefully built up. But they did an excellent job with it! I was very happy to see they didn’t go with infinite realities. And with the storyline of Tannhaus’s experiment ripping time in two we had a fine explanation of why only two realities (though later they add (at least?) two more).
I agree. I thought the show went too far with all the timelines and then the other world. I thought '53, '86 and '19 was enough complexity as is. I still think Dark could have been just as amazing with just those 3 timelines. But boy, did they deliver and created arguably the most complex series and finished in a grand fashion.
i was so devastated by that! i even didnt get the first scene of the 3rd season where there are a lot of people in 1880s clothes - i thought writers got mad and made a third reality where all the characters live in the past. im pretty happy with the ending but first 2 or 3 episodes of 3d season drove me crazy
Same! So glad they worked it out so well! I do think they actually mentioned that there were infinite parallel timelines at some point early in s3, though. Like there is Adam's world and Eva's world who share a timeline, but there are infinite versions of that timeline. Martha2 saves Jonas after Martha1 is killed, Martha2 doesn't save Jonas, Bartosz stops Martha2 from saving Jonas, etc.
Same!! When The other world Martha appeared and said "it not a question of when but but world" I kinda just rolled my eyes and expected the third season to suck. But oh my goodness was it perfect.
Scene in "corridor" when they see each other is to prove, that it was all meant to happen. Martha says "so it wasn't a dream" - so she remembers this. It means they don't break the cycle, but just follow steps, they were supposed to.
@@Aye_ohhh yes, but I think that there was no "the loop" at the end. There were small loops, which made Adam think there is, but there was no older Adam. it was like with sending satelites into space, they go around Earth to gain momentum and at some point goes out. Same here - Adam was spinning all the loops to go out of orbit.
Yeah I think it was meant to happen, they needed the loop to exist, and they needed the bridge to escape the loop. A crazy theory is that maybe Tannhaus from the original world knew all along that the only way to change the past without creating a loop was if someone that didn't exist in that world changed it. Pretty much 7:43.
I believe that that moment wasn’t part of the loop but just happend across all the times the loop existed. When they are in the “tunnel” they are theorethicaly outside of time and loop therefore this doesn’t have to repeat like everything other in the show. It happened just once but was “broadcasted” to the loop every time Marta opened the cupboard and Jonas opened the door.
My take on Jonas and Martha's separate visions covered in black cesium was that they were manifestations of subconscious memories from being their loops countless times. A form of deja vu.
9:29: Someone on Reddit came with this: It had to be Marta and Jonas, who travel to the original world. They're going to save MARek TAnnhaus and SONJA (Marta and Jonas). They are essentialy the same entities (souls, energies, whatever you want). They had to sacrifice their beings so that the original couple could live.
The ball time machine is a bootstrap paradox, it has no beginning or ending. In S2 finale the martha that saves jonas is finally captured by adam and she gets killed. Thus adam gets the ball time machine from her and adam sends old magnus franziska with that ball time machine to world 2. They are the ones who will give other world martha the ball time machine in first place to save jonas in S2 finale. And also due to other world martha spilt reality. Eve also has a ball time machine which is used by other world bartoz , other world claudia in many scenes. So it has no origin. It caught up indefinitely in the loop without a creation.
I thought the same, but there are multiple of those. At the very least 4 or 5 of those ball time machines being used by Eve's version of the travelers. So Noah, Egon, Bartozs, all of them must have one of their own, aside from Martha's and Claudia's. Both Claudia and Eva have such a better understanding of the loop than Adam, though, that it wouldn't be surprising if actually all of the balls existed due to a bootstrap paradox preserved by Eva (so that she can have all the machines that she need) and Claudia (so that she can steal it from herself and keep researching the cycle).
The scene in the light tunnel means this: even when they are sitting next to each other in the caves waiting for Tannhaus to start the machine, when this happens they are separated and each one start walking through different tunnels, and this because they are from different loops or worlds. So each one is walking through the particles flow at the moment their worlds are being created, and in their way to the central tunnel which leads to the Origin World they find each other's child version. This means that from the very beginning of the creation of their worlds a connection between them was established, a very strong connection indeed, which we can call it an "error", an error in this matrix which will knott both worlds, because this Jonas and this Martha are indeed from different worlds. That leads us to the next answer: because they are the "error" that knotted both worlds, they are the ones who have to untie it.
The time bridge scene indicates that of all the possibilities that were going to happen, this one was bound to happen someday. It was part of their fate.
Another great video, on first watch of season 3 I was unhappy with all the loose ends, but on second watch, it made sense to me. We ain't ment to be spoon fed everything, this gives the show lastibility. If we know everything we move on and put the show behind us, but the mystery keeps the show alive forever, twin peaks is a great example of this....
The one concept I may love most about this whole series as it appears to be completely original is that, although it is often alluded in the series that this is an endless cycle, it both is and isn’t. In a sense, the events happen over and over again due to the causality of past and present being broken, on the other hand every time someone dies they actually die and that is the end for them. It’s only through the ‘exogenous’ factor of the journal that any new information can be brought to each new loop and any learning and change can take place
It's impossible that everything happened this one time, we know this because at the end of the show, all timeline characters are aware of the knot ending as they fade despite not completing their full life cycle. We also know Claudia didn't choose to kill alt Claudia that one time either because she got the answer from Alt Claudia that she had never met her older self (meaning she died every time)
For me, Claudia really manages to break the deterministic loop (likely because she is the only character who does so autonomously, by her own initiative and struggle). The "never lose hope" Claudia kills her evil alter-ego, the "sagacious" Claudia - and becomes freed from any outer agency. Which makes possible for Jonas and Martha to make a genuine sacrifice of their own, and not just to get rid of suffering by a mere suicide. Probably the most surprising and powerful religious metaphor I saw in my entire life.
Pete Peppers That is for sure! Perhaps there’ll be some other questions and or ideas that may someday/sometime you’ll wanna come back and discuss further.🤞😊
Pete Peppers I also saw on the creator’s Instagram that Netflix has asked them to work on another project. Although different at least we’ll have something else from them to look forward to. 😊
Noah travelled back in time because the particle stabilized. This is around the same time Jonas transitioned into the stranger and started his events in season 1. They both traveled after Claudia stabilizes the particle.
8:20 its funny how people are still perceiving time is still "in sequence", the bridge itself is technically "point of singularity" where all "point" meets(much alike that "interstellar singularity/tesseract scene"). the show gives reasons to show in first season, "Its not a line but a loop", the second season goes "its not only one loop but a numbers of loops(if connected at all)", in the third season, "the connecting points in between the loops".
There are so many things that Dark characters do just to confuse people and make the plot intriguing. But the creators don't have any explaination for them.
I think because she would have called the police to get The Unknown arrested which would have prevented him from causing the malfunction of the power plant which causes the radioactive waste and so the apocalypse and anything else never would have taken place.
I also have been thinking that Jonas and Martha were literally angels brought to life by meddling with God/Time and they found the way to be the guardians they were meant to be. Lots of angel wing imagery and Bible verses and references to time being God. Also the way the dissolve is like returning to heaven.
What I wonder is why H.G. Tannhaus, having a time machine brought to him on a silver plate in the offshoot worlds, wouldn't try to use it to save his son and his family. That makes him drastically different from his origin world self...
@@fazalroxxGood point. Though, I can see how that might prevent him from obsessively designing and building a time machine, but not from using one that was given to him.
This is a great point, can't believe I haven't seen this question somewhere else. They should have given us something to look back at, like a scene where he's looking at one of the time machines with great interest, curiosity and sadness. Then maybe a young Charlotte walks in the room or he looks at a picture of her, and he decides not to. Or something simple like that. Then we could look back after the ending and that scene would make much more sense.
H.G Tannhaus wouldn't do it because Charlotte exists. He says this when speaking to her as a teen by stating "My place isn't in the past, it's in the present with you."
Great video! I had a few questions. 1. How do Elisabeth and Charlotte travel from 2041 to 1971 after kidnapping baby Charlotte? 2. How did Adam get to 2053 after killing Martha in 2020 just before the apocalypse? 3. When and how does stranger Jonas learn about the origin/unknown?
For 2 : I'm guessing that Adam used the globe time machine, although that wouldn't explain why he didn't use it to come to 2020 in the first place. 3 : I think the letter Stranger Martha wrote to the Stranger was the start to her sending messages to him in one way or the other. We know from the letter that she was in love with him but then, after finding out that Adam killed Eva, she became all evil out of her hate for what Jonas would become, thus manipulating him which acts like a catalyst in transforming him into Adam. That's just my theory. Just a heads up, I don't believe in Pete's theory of loop... just to let you know where my theory's coming from
1) I'm still lost in this one 2) What would make more sense to me is that he used the time apparat for two reasons: 1- he stayed within the 33-year cycle which was the limitation of this time travel machine; 2- he had one cause Hannah carried it back in time when she went to sic mundus and got murdered. We see a time apparat in the sic mundus building in 1921. 3) I would guess he learns it when he reads the Triquetra Book brought by Noah in 1920. We don't know everything the notebook tells, but since it was written by the Unknown himself there might be something explaining how it came to be in the first place. It is speculation but I think it's the only solid thing we have to try to answer this question with what is shown in the series.
@@nosound5903 @No Sound For 2: I don't think Adam had a globe time machine at that point. He obtains alt-Martha's globe time machine only after the apocalypse. For 3: Interesting theory, you could be right. Although, I have to say I like @TZeldaOo theory better :P
@@TZeldaOo @TZeldaOo @TZeldaOo 2) Don't we see Adam go through the God particle time machine at the end of season 2? 3) Oh yes, triquetra notebook. You may be right. There's a good chance he learns about the origin there.
I think Adam's and Eva's worlds were erased in one reality, but they still exist in another. Quantum entanglement. The only way Jonas and Martha could've prevented the car accident is if the reality exists where Tannhaus is devastated by the death of his son which pushes him to create the time machine and inadvertently split the world into a triquetra of pain and death. It's sad, but it's the only way to explain what happened while keeping with the logic established by all the events of the show. The existence of these two worlds and the suffering of everyone in them is the sacrifice needed to keep the Tannhauses alive. A reality now exists where Marek and Sonja and the baby never die and Tannhaus is never sad. Another way I like to look at it, is Marek and Sonja and the baby's deaths, and Tannhaus's subsequent experimentation with time travel, created the other worlds as tumors that grew out of each side of Origin World. Two cancerous lesions full of incest and death and nuclear disaster, that exist parallel to an Origin World where the Tannhaus family lives happily ever after. And to the characters in Origin World, as in the final dinner party scene, those worlds exist as mere ideas or dreams or flashes of déjà vu. It's like Schrödinger's cat. Those worlds only truly exist if you go in and look at them. Just like there is an acceptable reality where the cat is alive, there's an acceptable reality where Adam and Eva's worlds don't exist. The show ending with the dinner scene in Origin World is a perfect artistic choice. It ends the shows on a good and hopeful note, instead of showing anything from the other two worlds where the characters are living in dysfunctional realities of pain and death.
? Of course they dont exist.. That’s the whole point of the story ; Jonas & Martha sacrificed their love & connection and stopped the building of the time travel machine : therefore ‘stopping’ those 2 hellish realities from unfolding...
@@crystalawen yes but they couldn't have made that sacrifice and prevented the accident unless they exist in the first place. Having said that, I do think that the end was made slightly vague so a bunch of interpretations still stand. Yours is the most obvious interpretation, but if you look deeper you'll see that no reality can exist compelety independently from the other. I think that's what the writers were hinting at with Hannah's déjà vu in the last scene.
I may be a psycho, but I would have LOVED it if Jonas and Martha had caused the accident that led to Tannhauser inventing time travel. It would have just been so perfectly bleak... Edit: also, I’m not sure the ending they showed us is a happy ending after all. There are 3 worlds connected that all loop together. We see that Jonas and Martha are still born and exist in the third/origin world, although with different parents. I think Tannhauser invented time travel anyway, the point where the power goes out and Hana feels Deja Vu happens when this machine is switched on in the third/“origin” world. The final world is not the origin of the loop, it’s just part of the BIGGER loop. If you watch it again and think about it, it makes much more sense thematically with the whole series.
I would like to find a way to unsee it (time travel maybe??!!!!) so that i can watch it again knowing nothing! And start a loop with that for myself 😋🤣
IMHO you really fully understand/appreciate this series after watching these YT videos about it. And I thought Black Mirror was pure writing genius....
Thank you so much! Not alot of friends have watched this series but I love it very much. And only on your channel and the dark subreddit I can talk about every crazy theory about this awesome series! Thank you!
1) I think Agnes went back to the 50's to be with Egon's wife, and that's because she seemed truly happy when Claudia gave her her blessings to the relationship. She had nothing left to do, so why not continue her affair? 2) I think the images of Mikkel and Martha covered in the black matter are images of deja vu. Instead of having a feeling of it like characters usually do in the show, they actually see it. One of the theories I believe in is that all the characters possess memories of all their past lives and cycles which give them that deja vu feeling. They subconsciously know what will happen and Claudia uses that to her advantage. It was said that each cycle has a bit of a change and with so many cycles, there are enough changes to break the cycle. Like in Westworld, due to repeating the same process so many times, the robots start gaining self awareness and are able to change their lives. So Jonas saw his dad covered in the substance that causes time travel, as he will later find out. And Alt Martha saw Martha from the first world in the dress because that was a turning point in her relationship with Jonas, covered in the black goo that will cause all their chaos. 3) There are two pictures of the Kahnwald family, because they probably came from a series of photos that were taken that day and each family member owns a certain picture from that series. Hanna ripped Innes's face off since she doesn't like her. 4) Noah created the time machine for personal purposes: to try and get back Charlotte, most likely by going back in time and making sure she won't be kidnapped. He said that he is trying to save humanity. In his eyes, saving his daughter will change the cycle and in the long run, the boys won't be killed due to the changed loop. The new future will help him and everyone else. So he is sacrificing little boys to experiment now thinking that they will get to live in post-change future cycles. 5) Eve's purpose to keep the loop going is not because she loves her son so much, but because in her eyes, even the short or painful lives the people in Winden had are still worth living. So by making sure the cycle continues, she is making sure that her family and other town people get a chance to live. Alt Martha had a very normal life along her family until a few days before the apocalypse, so those happy moments that people got to live will continue happening if she keeps the loop going. Eve is the side of life and Adam is the side of death, he prefers to kill everything. The good moments in life do not compensate the bad ones in his eyes. Claudia found a third option that includes both world views, killing anyone who was born resulting of time traveling but still making sure some characters get to live.
I mean alt Martha just wants to keep his son alive, that's why she protects the knot at all costs That's the theme of the whole series, everyone is doing what they're doing because they want to save/protect their children: Ulrich and Katharina, Noah, alt Martha, Claudia (she succeds), tannhaus in the origin world (he also succeds, ironically enough) It's all about their love to their children
@@jansojele289 she doesn't seem to love her son so much, but maybe it's part of her motivation🤷 I think it's more to do with letting the people of Winden live their lives over and over again because she thinks it's worth it, even if there are bad moments and experiences, pretty much the opposite to Adam's approach.
@@LeeLe412 ikr she doesn't, that's what I thought too But like, what you said made less sense to me She really wants to keep all this shit happening an INFINITE numer of times? Just because she had a fine childhood? Also his family dies in the apocalypse, she really wants that to happen repetedly forever?
This is why I think Claudia did not end it all by herself at the end: When Jonas tries to suicide himself, he cannot showing he is deterministically destined to become Adam. When cause and effect are broken, determinism is therefore broken, and that is why Jonas and Martha prevent from becoming Adam and Eve both by exiting their realities (and thus destinies) as well as preventing their creation at its origin.
One of my theory of how Noah returned to 1920s from 2041 is that Claudia, knowing much more than anyone else after killing her alter-world self, sent him back without letting stranger Jonas know about it. As some of the dialogues have inferred, alter-world Claudia was trying to stall the progression of time-machine building in Jonas's world, under Eve's orders. So it's possible that the original Claudia had already had full access to a completed time-machine in 2041 with god-particle. She used it to send Noah back while lying to Jonas that the machine still needed commissioning, for another decade. P. S. I have also heard people saying Claudia used the golden globe to do so. But I don't think that's the case. It seems she was very careful NOT to show anyone the golden globe that she took from her alter-self after killing her. It only made sense since she had a master-plan to deceive everyone else.
I also agree that it would be more likely that Claudia used the dark matter time machine to send Noah to the 1920s rather than using the ball time machine..
But the god particle hasn't been stabilized in the 2041. Then how Noah travelled from 2041 to 1921(where Adam was waiting for him). The particle got stabilized in 2053(Old Claudia tells Adult Jonas to repeat everything for his younger self) Remember! [Passage, God Particle, Suitcase Time Machine all destroyed in 2020 apocalypse, then how Noah travelled from 2041 to 1921???]
@@M4DS_GAMING Yup, you are right that it was shown that the god particle was only stabilized in 2053. But also, we know that original Claudia was stalling the completion of god particle stabilization because this is what Eva ordered her to. So there is a "possibility" that Claudia already knows how to stabilize the god particle even at 2041, she just doesn't tell Jonas yet, because as I have mentioned, she purposely stalls its stabilization for Jonas.
My Remaining Questions: 1) Triquetra notebook timeline: The book is written by the unknown, -Eva gives the book to Claudia 2 -Claudia 2 gives it to Claudia 1 and Claudia 1 has it for many years (from her perspective) while she is working with Jonas and Noah on the time machine in post-apocalypse (neither of them know that Claudia has the book). Then Claudia rips the last pages and travels back in time and gives the book with pages missing to Peter and Tronte, pre-apocalypse. -Peter has the book post-apocalypse and it ends up with Elizabeth after he is killed, then she ends up with younger Noah. HOWEVER, in season 1 we see adult Jonas arriving in november 2019 from the cave and he has the notebook and I don't see how it fits in this timeline. 2) When does post apocalyptic adult Jonas go back to 2019? Does he have to wait for the creation of the wormhole in 2052 and travel through it? (it makes sense the hole is needed in the future cause young Noah is shown to clear the mess the hole in the cave became after the apocalypse) Does Jonas go back through the dark matter? (it is not told when they make it start functioning, and Jonas could go anywhere, but i guess going to 2019 makes sense - but why arriving in the cave if that's the case?) Does Jonas use the time apparat? (he has an old non functioning apparat in 2019, could he have used it for the last time to arrive then?) ---- It makes sense Jonas manages to go back in 2052 cause Adam says he tried to solve everything through 66 years, so he kinda respects the 33-year cycle. 3) How does adult Jonas gets the old time apparat in the first place? You could say there's any amount of apparats in the world you need to explain what you want, but creating this time apparat seemed like a big deal and there should have been a limited amount, otherwise a lot more people could have been time traveling like crazy. So I guess what I want is a time apparat timeline too: Tannhaus creates the sketch after receiving the blueprint from old Claudia in 1953. Then completes the machine with the help of adult Jonas in 1986. Jonas take this time machine with him to close the wormhole. Hannah takes this time machine with her then end up bringing it back to Adam when she goes to sic mundus. We see this exemplar from the time machine in 1921 in sic mundus and we don't know where it ends up (could it be the old one i'm talking about here?). Parallel to this, there's another time apparat in Claudia's possession that her old version keeps passing to her younger self after burying in the yard in 1953 to be dug up in 1986. Who created this time apparat? And if this is its cycle, why it never gets old and stops functioning like what happened with Jonas' one? 4) Is it just me that find the ball time machine a little to OP for no reason? It seems you can use it to go anytime you want and makes time travel look like a trivial thing. It gets even worse considering we see a lot of copies of it, meaning Eva's friends could do basically anything they'd want in both worlds. To me it removes some of the mystic of time travel and looks like lazy writing and a cheap way out if they messed up something in the story cause with it they can manage to explain basically any event. If we were at least given a reasonable explanation why in this second world they got so advanced in technology that they can create such a powerful tool while in the first world we have much more limitations with the time apparatus and time traveling in general. 5) How Charlotte and Elisabeth travel in time after kidnapping the baby in 2041? They must have gone to 1971 to give the baby to Tannhaus, right? How they could manage that? (I think the only way out is the pokeball, but we don't know how they could have it and still seems a little bit cheap - this thing can explain anyhting you want). 6) How Noah goes from 2041 to 1920 after their daughter is kidnapped. I know it is mentioned in the video, but I'm keeping this question for the record.
Claudia has the broken suitcase time machine in the post apocalypse. Jonas brings that broken time machine to tanhaus which is how he’s able to finish building the one that he’s constructing.
2) I think in season 3 episode 7 they do mention that Jonas travelled back to the past only in 2052. I assume he takes the broken suitcase time machine, travels to 1986 via the God particle, gives it to Tannhaus for fixing. Then he uses the caves to travel to 2019 and back (hence the reason he's seen by the caves) until Tannhaus fixes the machine. With the fixed machine, he attempts to destroy the wormhole in 2019. 3) I assume the suitcase time machine is left at 1921 and Claudia retrieves it (She has a globe time machine at this point) before the unknown torch the sic Mundus lair. So this is the time machine she gives to her younger self which stops working after the apocalypse in 2020. She has it until 2052 and then stranger Jonas takes it for fixing. Hence there is only one time machine throughout the show. There's no proof for this, just a theory. 5),6) I had the same doubts as well. No idea how they travelled.
For your question 6: One theory of how Noah returned to 1920 from 2041 is that Claudia, knowing much more than anyone else after killing her alter-world self, sent Noah back without letting stranger Jonas know about it. As some of the dialogues have inferred, alter-world Claudia was trying to stall the progression of time-machine building in Jonas's world, under Eve's orders. So it's possible that the original Claudia already had full access to a completed time-machine in 2041 with god-particle. She used it to send Noah back while lying to Jonas that the machine still needed commissioning, for another decade.
@@Katz1964 Honestly, I can't fully answer this question. Noah may have his reasons why he didn't return to Adult Elizabeth yet. Here are my thoughts though, I think that Noah's main goal in going back in the past and following Adam is so that he can find Charlotte. So it is possible that Noah planned to return to Elizabeth after finding Charlotte. But, as shown in season 2, after Noah finally finds Charlotte (adult version), instead of bringing Charlotte with him back to Adult Elizabeth, Noah instead went back to Adam and attempted to kill him. However, he fails and he was then killed by Agnes.
Thanks so much Pete - great videos. Can you do a video on the origin and path of the Triquetra notebook? I have some unresolved questions about WHY the Unknown wrote it, how Claudia got it and why the pages were ripped out...what exactly DOES the book say?
I think she didn't name her son as already the future self doesn't have a name. This situation is very much similar to jonas can't suicide if adam exists. So if future unknown exists without a name, he can't be named by eve.
In my opinion, the older Martha was a nasty deranged woman, & maybe she thought she’d hide his existence better by not naming him..? She controlled him totally ; He had an unpleasant life really - always wearing drab monotonous clothes, he never looked happy or cheerful, & he was constantly being sent back & forth in time (in his threesome) to kill at crazy evas orders... so I guess not having a name was the least of his problems ..
The weird thing is that maybe he doesn’t have a first name, but he does seem to have a last name (surname)-it has to be Nielsen, from Martha Nielsen-because how else would Agnes get the name Nielsen? (Her brother’s name is Hanno Tauber, so her name must have been Agnes Tauber before she married...?)
I don't quite understand why in season one, when older Jonas checks into the hotel, has to write on the newspaper "when is Mikkel." Because in actuality, he knows exactly when he is. He knows everything leading up to the 2050s. My only explanation is for that to be the slight introduction that the show will be about time travel and him writing it is really for the audience.
It was explaine by the actor and creators. Just when they start shooting season 1 he got injured, and the creators decided to add it to the show as an inside joke.
It's been 2years when I last watched GOT & it's theory videos. But today when I clicked this video I could recognize this VOICE instantly. Your GOT theory channel I used to watch.
Dark series has made me realize that even if humans discover time travel and decide to change their past it's of no use because everything will keep on repeating. A loophole to be specific.
What's been on my mind is how in season 1 , Noah is being driven in an expensive car when meeting Bartosh. I know it's probably to add mystery to the character, but just interesting to hear ideas behind that. Is there some money that Sic mundas has that allows for this or what's the deal
Sic Mundas had money. Adam tells Jonas in 1921 I believe, that he knew all the stock market deals or what ever you would call it. So I’m assuming he made money sent it back in time or went back in time with the info and made money from there. He had to have money to build that elaborate underground bunker, it was bad ass down there.
My intuition tells me that when the time machine was activated from Taunhaus original reality, the millisecond that time stopped was the creation and destruction of the two looped split realities compressed in this exact stopped millisecond. How about that?
I like to think the scene on the bridge between worlds as a point of no return, they can either return back and continue the loop or the meet the other and go on with the plan
I like the illustrated timeline at 7:41, but I'd like to envision it in 3d, so that the knot circle is only observable if you viewed the whole thing from the side; outlined and created from the orange line of causality from the crash. That way from a front view, it would only be a thin sliver, but which ultimately had to happen to splice the continued time together to keep it linear. That infinitely thin eternity is only noticed in the 'real time' as that second of unexplainable deja vu Hannah has
I don’t think that the origin world being part of an infinite loop is necessarily what the creators were after, but is definitely one interpretation you could give it. I also _don’t_ think it necessarily breaks linearity in the origin world. To me the interpretation would be a time line going straight (the origin world if time travel is never invented) with a clover leaf (highway) in the middle. The roads on that leaf meeting with each other and the linear timeline at the exact point where time stands still for a fraction of a second. It means split realities where in one or some realities the loop keeps going (triggered by Jonas and Martha actually causing Marek’s accident) while there is at least one reality (the one we saw) where Tannhaus inventing time travel is actually prevented and time keeps moving forward.
For the last question, I feel like they both see the people who are “sacrificed” for everything to unfold. If Mikkel/Michael didn’t die, the cycle wouldn’t begin for Jonas in his world and if Martha didn’t die in Jonas’ world, then alt Martha wouldn’t even come into the picture, and no seed (unKnown/the Origin.)
A lot of people died for everything to unfold. Besides, it doesn't make much sense for it to be just a hallucination since that would be the only time in the series that they had hallucinations, so for it to happen at that moment seems random.
Egon is the father of Silja in Adam's world not in Eva's world . In Adam's world she travelled back in time and having an affair with Egon tiedamann. Sorry for my bad english
Hannah is only pregnant with Ulrich in Eva’s world, she ends up miscarrying right before the apocalypse and Egon arrives to bring her back to 1953, which is why Eva told him beforehand to “preserve his family line” So she goes through essentially the same cycle again in the 50’s only that in Eva’s world she miscarried with Ulrich and still ended up having Silja with Egon later.
Do you think there's any connection between Martha & Jonas and Marek & Sonja? I read on Reddit that Sonja is an anagram for Jonas and MARek TAnnhaus = MARTHA. And real world Charlotte has blue eyes just like the unknown. Edit: I just finished the video and saw what you said. Fans just wanna keep Martha and Jonas alive in some way. That's what I think and that's why people are making theories about it. In my POV, I love jonas and Martha too much to let them go. So, I'm gonna think that this theory is plausible.
Yeah, I get where people are coming from. It didn't strike me when I first heard the theory because of the reasons I mentioned at the end of the video. I also thought Hannah saying she liked the name Jonas gave some hope that they might be connected to the origin world in an interesting way.
I liked how Pete explained that Jonas and Martha were essentially observers just like in Schrodinger's cat experiment but I also like that in laws of physics matter cannot be created out of nothing (total amount of energy in a closed system is the same), and since Jonas and pregnant Martha sacrificed themselves, Sonja, Marek and Charlotte can exist in the origin world.
I don't know.. I myself before noticing the fact that their names could be seen as anagrams have noticed some kind of similarities between the personality of Marek and Martha and that of Jonas and Sonja. Marek to me looked much like a male Martha with the classic problems with parents (just like Martha had problems with her parents in prime and alt world) while Sonja looked a lot chiller and calming to Marek, just like Jonas before becoming Adam. And if you notice these parallels/similarities between the two, and think to the fact that prime world and alt world were created and influenced by origin world, then it all makes more sense. This is my take on this theory!
i found Dark purely by chance and have just finished binge watching all of it ...what a mind bending series ,,it was awesome ...what do you get when you add Twin Peaks + Lost = Dark
When did 'stranger' Jonas travel to 2019 in season 1? If this is the same version of Jonas that becomes adam he is stuck in the 1900s trying to get the god particle to work until after he becomes disfigured
Elisabeth stabilized the god particles just before the portal was opened during the apocalypse whereas Charlotte on the other side their black matter which came out of the yellow can wasn’t stable that’s why when they touched each other Charlotte was transported but Elisabeth wasn’t!
Anything we cannot explain (yet) will eventually be explained, whether through the show runners or fans finding more puzzle pieces. I honestly believe everything is connected and the creators did not drop the ball on any of it. We just don't fully understand it all at this point.
I like to think about the power of three in the show. Jonas only existed in ONE of the worlds. Marta existed in TWO of the worlds. The white witch existed in all THREE worlds
Very cool. Jonas existed in one of the worlds but there were THREE versions of him from that world. The 1st who was saved by alt-Martha, the 2nd ran into the basement, and the 3rd who was saved by Adam. And I believe there were also three Marthas, the 1st who saved Jonas, the 2nd who was killed by Adam and then finally the 3rd who was taken to the Origin world by 3rd Jonas. And then I don't think the the white witch had any alternates so there was still three of her, one from each world.
If adam didn't know about alternate reality or quantum mechanics..then why didnt have any doubt in his mind "how martha can get pregnant because they didn't meet before 1888"
He’s seen the logo of his own damn organization for decades and he never thought that a triqueta is a reflection of three things not two. My man, adam...
Can anyone tell me what kind of cell phone Ulrich had? The battery lasts for 33 years without charger after he left it at Tannhaus's shop. I want one of those!
What happened to the chair time machine through which the child Helge travelled ?? Was it using this machine that Noah went back in time after Charlotte was kidnapped?
I don't know what happened to it, but I suspect Noah actually traveled back later than how it looked based on how they cut that scene. The answer may be as simple as he didn't leave until years later.
@@PetePeppers1 if u see season 1 there you would find that where this chair was there also a television was present.And in that television Hg tannhuass was teaching something
@@shobhitmishra126 And that tannhaus looked liked a alternative version of the Prime world tannhaus. Idk it looks like they were heading into something else with some scenes that in the end it didn't make sense or it was left for an open interpretation.
1) In the last scene of season 1 Jonas went to 2052 and Helge went to 1986 (November 1986). Helge was missing in 1953, 8 months later in June 1987, Noah sent Helge to June 1954 by using the chair. But I don't know what Helge did in that 8 months. 2) I think Noah didn't travel in time. He was angry and he just promised to Elizabeth that he will find Charlotte. First time they could control Black Natter was November 2052. Claudia went to his younger self, Jonas went to 2019 and tried to turn off caves, Noah went to 1920.
WRRRROOONGGG! Typical error with these types of shows is that the studio pushes for more and more seasons until the thing turns to shit. Case in point: Lost
This is exactly what makes some shows go out of rails. The american TV mentality. No, the show was conceived to be 3 seasons only, and that fitted perfectly to its narrative.
A q about season 1: Why did ulerik travel 66 years in the cave instead of 33 years? I don't get that.i mean in eve's world when he traveled he met the adult Helge....but in Adam's world he met the child Helge...it doesn't make sence to me...doesn't the cave get you back/forward 33 years? I thought the number was unbreakable
Scene in corridor to me is representing the correct path to go to find each other and jump into the origin world. If they walk forward they will drift apart and repeat, i.e., find the alt themselves in an earlier stage. That scene indicate they must move away from themselves younger to meet in the middle and complete their mission.
You’re wrong with your Claudia point ; If Claudia always changes things - then she always ‘stops the car accident ‘?? - then No more divergent timelines - so she would have ‘nothing’ to solve again ??? The ‘story showed’ that Claudia realised there was a moment where time stopped, & she said that was when she got herself out for the ‘first’ time to explain things to Adam..... ‘If’ it happened ‘more than once’ / ‘every time’ like you suggest - that means that Jonas and Martha go to the origin world & stop the accident more than once - And that makes no sense at all.?? Plus she tells Adam he’s lived his life an infinite number of times... (and that was also part of the story) If people think the loop continues after Jonas & Martha disappear - they simply didn’t understand the story. The fact the authors wrote ‘it was suicide’ means - it was in their story that the 2 main characters die / or cease to exist at the end... So the end only happened ‘once’... I think they were both covered in the ‘black goo’ - as aspects of their psyche was showing them the problem - the caesium which caused the apocalypse. I think Agnes went back to the 50s & ran off with Doris. The different photos were simply different examples of the various infinite times the loop had happened... As for the bridge between worlds - I think that shows they were outside linear time - and their souls are connected outside of time :-)
Here's one theory of how Noah returned to 1920s from 2041. It may be that Claudia, knowing much more than anyone else after killing her alter-world self, sent Noah back without letting stranger Jonas know about it. As some of the dialogues have inferred, alter-world Claudia was trying to stall the progression of time-machine building in Jonas's world, under Eve's orders. So it's possible that the original Claudia had already had full access to a completed time-machine in 2041 with god-particle. She used it to send Noah back while lying to Jonas that the machine still needed commissioning, for another decade.
Neil Christian Auman : We werent shown how he got back - but he’d been living in the future with Jonas & Claudia - so it was either with the Tannhaus machine or through the dark matter.. and Noah only went back to look for Charlotte - & thats when Adam coerced him into working for him .
@@crystalawen Yup, I know it wasn't shown how he traveled from 2041 to 1920s, that's why this is just a theory. I don't think Noah was able to use the tannhaus time machine because that tannhaus time machine that was currently in the future is broken and not working. Another thing is, do you remember when Noah arrived in 1920s and met old Adam for the first time, that was the time that Adam gave Noah the tannhaus time machine. Another thing is, the tannhaus time machine can be used to travel 33 years to the past or to the future right, so there's no way he can use that to travel from 2041 to 1920s. While the dark matter time machine doesn't have a 33-year limitation for a target year to travel. Another possibility though is that Claudia may have used the gold sphere time machine to bring Noah to the 1920s, but I don't think that she really used the gold sphere though because it is better to keep the knowledge about the gold sphere to herself, rather than letting Noah know about the presence of this device.
I understand the story just fine, but a loop continuing is a perfectly feasible _theory_: if you consider the bridge to the origin world to also have a junction (it’s actually shown to have a corner) you might end up with two possible realities again, for example one where Jonas and Martha stop the accident (as the version we got to see) and one where they fail to stop or even cause the accident, setting the time split scenario in motion. What this theory _does_ imply is that the reality where the accident is prevented does not loop back. Time continues linearly after that. It would mean time as a straight line with two inter-looping ‘exits’ at a certain point in time
Adam's and Eva's world is a deterministic closed system. But there is what we call entropy. Eventually, energy in that closed system will come to an equilibrium.
