Dude. Let's just take a minute to think about this. This video is now 10 years old. One whole decade has passed since this video has been created. Crazy how time flies.
Brazil isn't in a high latitude. When you're in a high latitude like New York, without daylight savings time, the sun would come up insanely early (way before almost everyone wakes up), and would go down an hour earlier instead of getting that extra hour to enjoy it.
This is why, when arranging international conference calls, you use GMT. At my previous job I had a client who refused to use GMT because it was ‘too Anglo-centric’. Unsurprisingly, after missing a critical meeting call in that was attended by representatives from four other countries, and losing £££, they saw the logic behind using one unified time measurement.
Zulu time baby!! My family refers to Zulu exclusively when talking to each other because we’re all in different parts of the world, and literally everyone has had time in the military, even the women. It saves so much time and specifications, especially when you say 1600 instead of having to specify you mean 4 pm.
Now can you explain to the geniuses at my job that GMT does not mean Eastern Time? They schedule their meetings for 08:00 GMT which means midnight or 1am depending on daylight savings time but they say it means 8am eastern, which is 5am for me and that's a solid no on a meeting. So after people missing meetings now they're saying it means 08:00 local time but, uh one problem. Having multiple people from multiple time zones on a meeting all scheduled for 08:00 local time means that none of us actually attend the same meeting. We are a multinational company and they can't even understand time zones. It's absolutely nuts.
I never understood why we everyone doesnt just use GMT and change the business hours for their location. As a society, we've literally decided it's more important that when we open the shop it be 8:00am (or whatever) than to have a universal time that is easy to know and reconcile. Forget DST, forget time zones. Just know that where you live, the sun rises around 4 and you are expected at work by 5, and your neighbors a few hundred miles over usually show up at 6 and so on
Uhm except you should really use UTC (a.k.a Zulu time), not GMT. GMT *is a timezone* and subject to DST. 01:00 GMT is 00:00 UTC in the summer. Do not let this bite you in the ass.
@M Detlef when studying climate of a region, geologists look for sunny days in that region. Places like Sahara have a lot of sunny days which contributes to the desert climate. Places like Luxembourg have temperate climate and medium sunlight and UK.. well.. let's just say that the sun is a blessing in London.
@@RemyKingKen No technically he's right. Like, at the poles, you get months on end of darkness and light. And on the equator, it doesn't vary much from 12 hours each. It all works out even. Yeah sure, to the human eye, Alaska may be "dark" for 5 months and only has "daylight" for 2 weeks but that darkness isn't always 100% dark, it's just, too dark for humans. Everywhere gets the same amount of light. At least, without going into details, like places shaded from the sun by mountain ranges, etc. That makes a big difference.
As a person who lived without daylight saving for over 80% of their life. I had trouble understanding why people are just messing with clocks. Especially during college where time is important.
Oh yeah. I'm current study at a school in Czech but have to do it online in my country while waiting for visa. I did not have any concept about daylight saving time until i almost submit my work late because i have no idea about this.
Honestly, I did not realize how daylight savings time changes could be so complicated. I haven't really put much thought into it up until now. Quite intriguing.
It's even more complicated when you're a pilot, and the tower or airport you are leaving or arriving does or doesn't shift operating hours with local time vs Zulu/GM-Time. The time you leave, plus the travel time, plus the time zone shifts, plus the tower/airport individually operating by its own rules... I'm all for getting rid of the shift. Pick one & stick with it...keeps things simpler.
No, we didn't cancel DST. In converse, we sticked to it. Although Turkey's default time zone was GMT+02:00, which is extemely reasonable both geographically and demographically, we now use GMT+03:00, which barely passes through the eastern border instead of the very highly populated cities of Turkey, such as İstanbul.
There was a thing called flextime we had in the '80s and 90s that you could work more or less and add to other days to make up the time you wanted off or early. You could come in an hour early and leave an hour early. We don't need daylight savings time. Leave the clocks alone.
But still though, I’d much rather not have the sun rising even earlier when I’m staying up at night. 5:23 is already too early and then 4:23 would be worse, so more like shift it forwards another hour so that it rises at 6:23 and sets at 21:29, and it wouldn’t be like that everywhere, but at least where I live.
@@nabranestwistypuzzler7019 21:29?? Thats so late, our sunsets here is like 17:45-18:30 and then 18:40 theres no sun. 6am is our sunrise or like 6:25am
t4rgeted It’s so that the sun wouldn’t rise at 5:23 when there’s over 15 hours of daylight. Also, it would be better if the clocks where moved forwards 1 hour all year round where you live so that the sun wouldn’t set so early. We only have it earlier than that in fall and winter with the earliest being 16:27 in early December. Thu/06/24/2021 at 11:54 EDT2
galoomba Obviously Ik that it still rises and sets at the same point in time, but it would be better if the number on the clock was later. Fri/06/25/2021 at 16:17 EDT2
I think when you consider the population centres (Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart, etc.) the majority of the Australian population does daylight savings, but not the majority of the landmass
I love watching old videos like this and seeing how videos have changed over the years. Here I am watching this 11 years after this came out, and it's almost like a time capsule that might just pop in your feed one day.
Australia is on the south hemisphere so if you look at the round earth with the north hemisphere pointing straight up, the south hemisphere will point straight down.
But it might negatively affect millions of EU-citizens depending on their location. It's not good waking up before sunrise but they will be forced to, as the EU wants a shared timezone.
Yep, but they want me and my fellow Dutchies (who are already an hour ahead of the time zone we SHOULD be in) to use the summer time the whole year round, which makes it two hours ahead of our "technical" time zone, and with solar time it gets even worse, this is proven to be bad for one's health because it messes up the biological clock of the people living on most of Europe's west coast and probably in the east too if they want a shared timezone. They should get rid of DST but let countries choose their own timezone with regards to their location.
I sure hope someone in the last 11 years has responded to this from the nordic perspective, but here it goes anyway: sure, DST gives more sunlight in the summer after work, BUT if you live above a certain latitude, this pretty much doesn't matter because the sun never sets or just grazes the horizon starting in late spring and continuing until early autum. The clock change in the winter in these locations also doesn't matter, because there's so few sunlit hours of every day. You'd need to move the clocks at least a few hours to, for example, wake up with light, or at least not go to work/school in the dark. If you did that though, the sun would set at like noon, which, yeah, I guess there are many reasons why nobody would want this. And if you move it a few hours in the other direction so you're not going home in the dark (or, you get to enjoy any sunlit hours after work) then the sun isn't even rising until noon. This is also no bueno. So please, somebody, anybody, please pick one and stick with it. Thanks.
@@diegodoesstuff86 Makes sense. I went there once, during springbreak. Just as well, I only went to the beach _once,_ for about half an hour, before I decided _that was really dumb, the sun was way too intense,_ changed back and spent the rest of the afternoon in the hotel room. I did enjoy the nights there. I'll make it a point on traveling one day during a cold month. Might change my sweaty, burny memories hahah.
Ashish Agrawal ... I live in America, I was giving a trick to convert them more quickly... I don’t think people realize that we’re also ticked off that we use a different unit of measurement than the rest of the world
This video is actually timeless. I though this was a recently uploaded video, until I saw a comment say ‘it’s crazy this video is a decade old’, and that comment itself was a year old when writing this comment!
It's insane how well Grey's videos hold up over the years, honestly I couldn't watch half the videos from 2010 on RU-vid but I still get enjoyment from his! Really a testament to how high his production quality has always been
I'd definitely have zero complaints if daylight saving was abolished in the UK. The way it has fallen meant last October when they went back I had to do a 13 hour night shift, then this past weekend when they went forward, I lost an hour's sleep prior to a 12 hour day shift! It certainly doesn't do much for my mental health when it falls like this!
Honestly, more sunlight in the summer just seems like a weird thing to want. Where I live with DST, it's still daylight in the summer until well after 9 PM. In the winter, it was full dark by the time I got home from school. Neither of those things feels natural.
Except in the sumer its like 70°F in the evening and in the winter its -20°F. Do in the summer its actually nice to be able to enjoy the outdoors after work and in the winter nobody wants to be outside anyway so turn the sun off to reduce glare / blinding light indoors. As stated in the video DST makes more snese the farther from the equator you get. And at this point we are too stuck in our ways to resolve either direction because the north wants to keep DST and the south doesn't need it. Lets just be glad we aren't china with the entire nation using the local time in the capital. (Imagine if Alaska and Hawaii were using DC time for daily life)
@@jasonreed7522 But wouldn't it be better to have DST the whole year, as in winter you are stuck driving to work in the mornings anyways. In the afternoon you could use the extra light to walk the dog, go skiing, jog etc. Also, in weekends and holidays most people sleep a bit longer anyways, meaning the morning light gets wasted.
@@luk586 look up the negative health effects of living on the wrong side of a timezone (the western side, that wakes up in darkness) Humans are fundamentally meant to rise with the sun and hold a slight vigil into the evening darkness. Waking up before the sun sucks both at the personal level and at the societal level.
This might be a good topic to revisit. This topic seems as alive or more alive than it was 12 years ago. I definitely recall complications around changing clocks, different clock times for scheduling etc. And when this vid was made, it's when I was unsure if various clocks were updating themselves correctly automatically. Nowadays, I'm always certain my personal devices have the correct time, regardless of what I do or where I am, and just checking the weather in another locale gives their local time too. The magic of scheduling software within our phones, laptops, etc, gives the true time of a scheduled event without any particularly difficult mental gymnastics. It just is what it is. New focuses: The push to make daylight savings time permanent, which to me is an abomination against natural time... To decide to permanently never have High Noon again, but High 11am. lol. Etc. Why not just make work schedules more flexible in general, and allow employers and employees to determine what schedules work best for them. And still, health and mental affects of switching clock time without traveling. It still messes me up when we "Fall Back" and I'm in northern North America at the time.... but I'd rather see DST abandoned and keep natural solar time than the other way around. Thanks for the content!! :D
If anyone else has experienced going to and returning from work in complete darkness during winter, they may ask, like me, why we don't just keep DST throughout the year or even move the clock forward for winter!
If you set clocks 1 hour ahead in winter Sunrise 8:30am rather than changing it back to 7:30am Sunset would be 5:30pm rather than 4:30pm You will have more light in the evenings according to the clock
Because the way we do Daylight Saving time right now is the best way to solve the very problem you are raising. Keeping daylight saving time all year round means we drive to work in the pitch black night time and we kill ourselves because of seasonal affective disorder more often. I don't think you really put much thought into this comment of yours.:-)
Because "noon" is supposed to mean the time when sun is at the highest in the sky (12pm). Keeping DST throughout the year practically means that noon from now on becomes 1pm. A simpler way to deal with such is to change the schedules of public services so that the rest in the society would follow suit. DST is in fact just a shift of the schedules with the disguise of shifting the clock anyway.
If you work during night, I have an even better suggestion for you. Why not move the clock forward 12 hours. Then you'd have daylight during the night, and darkness during the day. When you think about that, you will realise that the clock is completely arbitrary, and that it's your work schedule that is the issue here. If you want to start work an hour earlier, and finish work an hour earlier, then talk to your boss about it. There is no need to get the entire nation involved.
I grew up in a town on the Utah/Arizona border, whether we observed daylight savings time changed depending on the year, and where we were more likely to have doctors and other appointments. I grew up talking about "Arizona time" and "Utah Time." I didn't grow up on a Reservation.
My state in Georgia is trying to stop doing Daylight savings time because alot of have complained about it. I know it's tough in Georgia but I know we're getting pass it. Hang in there Georgia!!!
@@Shadowkey392 no it doesn’t. The time between sunrise and sunset is longer in the summer than it is in winter. How do you schedule something in between? “Hey, we have a daily meeting when the sun is at 50 degrees from the horizon!” If all days of the year had 12hrs of light and 12hrs of darkness across all latitudes, this debate wouldn’t even be happening.
@Nargacuga Wyvern No not at all done. Either your definition is completely useless, or the length of an hour shifts all the time. Which would be quiet shitty...
@@Shadowkey392 if it never gets dark then how does any the OP's timeframes even work?. Think very far north in summer as an example. Sun comes up its morning...sun stays up....its always morning? vice versa for winter
1:13 i'm chilean and the regions that are the farthest from the equator don't turn their clocks back (they stay on dst time all year long), it makes no sense. But a lot of stuff in chile makes no sense, i'm not surprised they didn't even get dst right
Indiana ignored it too for a long time as well and only adopted it when the rest of the world started considering dropping it. We didn't adopt it initially because roosters never cared what time you set the clock too The reasoning behind adopting it in the late 90s or 2000s was that it caused confusion when Chicago would change and we wouldn't. Somehow them fiddling with their clocks and getting confused over what time it was was somehow our problem.
When CGP Grey tries to make you laugh: 0:21 "The universe is indifferent to your human concerns" 4:00 Sydney is upside down because it is below the equator
***** Subtitles fit absolutely perfect over that red box. You know. They have the whole screen and put it exactly where the subs are. But I give you the point. At least they tried!
Steve JB Funny we get a lot of documentaries from the UK so we see a lot of metric without imperial. Also I must be including a lot of science shows who by nature are metric as well
This video came in my feed just at the right time when I was getting frustrated over an international conference where all times are written in CDT but CDT wasn't implemented till last week. So it was just crazy trying to match the meeting timings to Indian time specially since some were hosted by Europe and they didn't seem to be changing their timezone before the end of the month. It's just totally crazy why we still stick to this changing of clocks.
Why not? Say on a summer's day the sun rises as 4am GMT and sets at 8pm. Meanwhile I get up at 7am and go to bed at 11pm. There's three hours of sunlight wasted while I'm in bed, while I burn the lights for three hours at the end of the day. Apply daylight savings, and the sun now comes up at 5am and sets at 9pm. Only two hours of burning lights. Saving money and fuel.
@@zylo202 Didn't you? Clearly it does. If you're only awake for two hours of darkness means using less fuel than being awake for three hours of darkness. Arguments about Arizonans using air con are drivel; don't live in the middle of deserts, moronic Septics!
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze then you'd be waking up at 8 a.m. instead of 7, and go to bed at 12 instead of 11 after applied DST, if you don't change your sleep cycle. And if you do change your sleep cycle, which you'll have to do anyways after DST is applied, YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT CHANGING THE DAMN CLOCK!!! All you need to do is adjust your working hours, which is wayy less complicated than changing the entire time!
I don't care how much stress it saves. That glorious day in the fall where we get to live the same hour twice, and then have super long sleep that night is amazing.
As an Arizonan, I can say that you DEFINITELY do not want to go outside during summer, which by the way here, summer is like 4-5 months long, always being over 100 degrees F during that time.
as a resident of the American south, daylight savings baffles me because it takes away my afternoon sunlight in the fall, when it is nice to be outside and sunlight is already in short order
UM.. newsflash folks. This bill is still in congress, it has only passed the senate and not the house and has not been signed into law. You'll still have to move your clocks for the foreseeable future.
I think that there's an even bigger problem behind this and it's with the actual time zones, where different countries in the same timezone can have huge differences between the time of sunrise and sunset. Our country is planning on ditching daylight savings. The problem is that we haven't settled on which time we're going to stick to, whether winter or summer time. Proponents of summer time argue that with winter time we'll be getting the first bits of daylight after 2am during summer and with summer time we would get more usable dailight after work during winter, which could reduce cases of depressions and even sucides. The problem is that summer time wouldn't correspond to the timezone we're in.
Yeah but it does impact on important things like public schedules, school hours, shopping centre hours and basically any business that keeps standard business hours. The question then becomes, do you want the extra sunlight before or after work.
Obviously you can’t do that, but you can still move the rug over into a better position. Like if your rug by the door became longer, would you rather have it go into the doorway and outside on one end, or just go even further into the house? Obviously the second option, and the same goes for not wanting the sun rising at 4:23, but rather at 5:23, or even 6:23 if there was extra DST from 4-5 weeks after the initial change up until 8-9 weeks before the final shift back, and then the sunset isn’t until 20:29 or even 21:29 in early in the evening instead of 19:29 in the late afternoon.
I can tell Grey really wanted to keep this video unbiased, not persuading any point of view. Except honestly in the end it makes me think that there's NO reason to keep DST.
Stijn Broekhuis Why don't you show some proof instead of just >implied? He said only two things: that Grey attempted to be unbiased, and that his mind was changed because of his video. Also, comment isn't pluralized if it's just his thread.
Actually, there's no reason to keep standard time. Having less daylight in the winter is not advantageous most places. If you need to go out before work to shovel snow it's nice to have that be later, but only if being later puts it after sunrise. High lattitude locations probably aren't getting that benefit anyways so there's no reason not to save daylight all year round. Warm temperate regions don't get snow and, again, there's no benefit to not saving daylight year round. I suspect it would have an effect on SAD rates. Most people sleep in on days they don't work or attend school, which would mean more natural sunlight in winter with year round daylight savings on 1/7 to 2/7 of days. Essentially, DST is a fix to urban life not fitting solar time that is only applied half the year for no good reason.
Well there isn't. Living near a pole -- summertime has practically *constant* sunlight and wintertime has none -- so what's the point of moving clocks? When next sunset is a date months away... Wartime German -- maybe it was to confuse enemies as to their schedule? Or to get used to the time before crossing a timezone?
2:27 if you had made this in 2005, you'd know Indiana was the third to not observe it either. They did that for a multitude of reasons, but since the state is also in Eastern and Central zones, they finally passed a bill in 2005 for the entire state to now observe it, not just the big cities.
I live in Australia and work in a federal law jurisdiction, across all the states. The amount of time we spend quadruple checking we have entered the right time zones in our court calendars is ridiculous. The shift in daylight saving times means that we have to be aware of 5 different zones. Then, throw in the confusion of western Australia getting rid of DST. I was putting "AWDT" on calendars for WEEKS before remembering it didn't exist
It’s the best thing ever created! Who needs light already at 6? It’s more about having fun and enjoying with your kids. There’s nothing more fun that being able to do everything outside in the light until 10/11pm! It must be a permanent thing though. No changing it backwards
@@daltonrandall4348 That doesn't help either. That'd mean that for me, the sun would rise at 09:49 on the shortest day and will not rise earlier than 09:00 for 2 full months. Not only will it disturb our sleep but also cause more accidents during rush hour combined with the winter conditions.
Not gonna lie, as an Arizonan, when I first watched this video years ago I learned how extensive daylight saving time was. I kind of knew that some people would switch their clocks around sometimes, and that was why I would have to change my clocks on some stuff that was hooked up to the internet, switching it between timezones. I just didn't realized that WE are the weird ones. Makes more sense now though, why when people online would be trying to schedule a meeting, ask me what timezone I'm in, and I would just have to say "I dunno, it changes".
No one really likes to get up an hour early just catch an extra hour of sunlight,just to have to bed early and do the same thing the next day. The body clock doesn't work that way. In fact it puts stress on the body. That is why you feel tired at the end of the day because you didn't get full rest period.
@@sandygehrmann6309 Most people in Australia live in the southeast part of the country. Grey is right in that the majority of Australians use Daylight Savings.
I will never forget about that time I told my friends over discord to hop onto gartic phone at 6 p.m. greenwich time (3 hours of difference with my country when they're not in summer). Greenwich is a city in the UK, and the UK uses daylight saving time, and so by the time I realized that, I had already been an hour late to the thing and everyone had already left.
@@Redwan777 Technically, they switch from GMT to BST (British Summer Time). So, the best move is to use UTC (Universal Co-ordinated Time) which is +/-0 year round.
Here's a thought, let's not follow daylight savings time and instead everyone in the world should follow only one big standard time all year round. Problem solved.
Aecacolo Yes you can. Sure, the sun goes up and down at different times around the world, but that doesn't really matter at all. We all use a 24 hour clock, so why shouldn't we all keep the same time? I live in Europe, but if there is a huge live stream in America I would like to watch, I constantly have problems timing when it happens in my zone, compared to when it happens there. It would just be more convenient, to have one standard time.
Dear Canada, Get rid of DST in Alberta. I can’t speak for other provinces, but trust me. It’s not going to make a difference. We never get out anyway. Thank you, from a Canadian Citzen.
Thank you! I never understood why the time changed. Whenever I asked someone I'd always get one of two responses, 'Because of the farmers" or "To make an extra hour of daylight." Both answered seemed nonsensical to me. I wish my government would just pick a time and stick with it. Changing it is annoying.
LegoGirl1990 No you have this wrong (at least from the perspective of the country i live in and its States). The city folk have DST because it is to complex for them to simply start earlier if they wish to have more daylight time. They complain that my state doesn't have DST because "the Farmers whinge as they have to get up to early as it is". Well yes... because they aren't lazy fks and are logical and animals don't change their biological clocks just because city folk are to lazy to get up an hour earlier if they wish to have more time of an afternoon! Disclaimer: I'm not a farmer. And DST needs to DIAF.. its 2014! ;)
LegoGirl1990 Well.. farmers do care what time it is. not in the traditional "it must be 08:30 so i can start work". But more in line with what you hinted at... The cows like to be milked at certain times etc :) I'm not a farmer myself. But i do come in direct contact with many of them. And my father was a cane farmer and a dairy farmer in his young years. Today.. we just drilled a water bore for a dairy farmer. ;) But i digress. DIAF=die in a fire. SO yes.. you got that pretty much right. :) PS. LEGO rules!! (technic anyway :P).
I live in a tropical country and it's basically summer all year round so I didn't even know this was an actual thing. Woah. I learned something new today.
RamenDutchman Ok Ig that’s actually not too bad because at least the sun won’t rise at 3:46 in the summer in Manchester and then whatever other way too early af sunrise for other locations. Thu/06/24/2021 at 12:16 EDT2
I'm a huge advocate for abolishing daylight savings. Is it so hard to just change your schedule over the coarse of the day as opposed to screwing with everyone's perception of time?
Although international meetings are more common than ever, the whole timezone headache has been pretty much solved by software. Just send an invite in your local time zone and the software will convert it for each recipient, all time zone and daylight saving shenanigans figured out for you by the machine.
It's interesting to note that we didn't even need standardized time zones until the industrial revolution (specifically, steam locomotives) but now technology has become so deeply intertwined in society that it's the complexity of dealing with DST in that technical world- changing the clocks of all those computer systems, for example- that is a main argument to get rid of DST.
If we could even remain consistent within timezones and stick to local solar time, but no - as it turns out "Time of day" is very much a social construct and for many people around the world a deeply oppressive one at that. Think of the poor spaniards from whom the clock time is sometimes up to three hours ahead of the local solar time. Mainly because Franco wanted to be pals with Hitler and so decreed that Spain's clocks should match those of Germany, and in post-Franco, they opted to stay on CET because that was more convinient to the EU. Yes, Spain really should be on UTC and maybe even on UTC+1, which many people somehow find very supricing - they think mainland Spain is much futher to the east than it actually is, simply because the clock stay on CET when you go there
Diana Watson I know, right? My mom tells me that the sun rises earlier in certain times of the year, but that's just bullshit to me, because we all know that "Daylight Savings Time" is artificial. Besides, there's no sun tilting or Earth rotating differently. Otherwise, it would cause a global climate change, burning everything in sight, making the planet uninhabitable during summer. Daylight Savings Time is all in the Western World's heads. They need to abolish it and stick with natural, standard time.
Brenda Martin I think you might have your scientific concepts a bit confused. The sun does rise earlier at certain times of the year (Summer), but that is because of the human-made construct of time itself. Regardless, it makes no difference. The original reason to establish DST was ambiguous at best, and modern technology completely negates any reason to continue with it.
I love living in a place that is both metricly civilized and ignores DST completely. No changing the clocks, missing appointments or possibly being late (or worse, early) to work twice a year.
I was always told - as a Brit and Scot - that we use daylight savings in order to move people around in more light. Prior to daylight savings more people were hurt or killed in road traffic collisions in the dark so in the summer months we altered the clock to bring sunlight forward an hour.
please tell me at what point in the summer business hours would start or stop in the darkness? theres several hours of daylight on either end of the typical 9-5 with or without DLS
@@AndrewBrowner I used to hear it was for farmers. Like farmers care what the number on the clock says... they care about sunrise and sunset. Quite simple. So many of the excuses don't withstand 2 seconds of scrutiny.
