The video contains an error. The F-16 was part of the 33rd FS during this assignment. The airframe was only later transferred to 310th. Thank you your understanding!
I was there when this happened. The radar controller was the ship I was on the USS Worden and we picked up the Mig's as soon as they took off from their runways and we directed the shootdown and not AWACS aircraft. Our ship was the radar picket ship for all of southern Iraq.
Yeah the 33rd was originally out of Shaw AFB it served two deployments ,operation “Desert Storm “and operation “Southern Watch “it was later disbanded in November 1993….it’s tail letters were SW ….
Really enjoy your videos from the historical perspective. I played two combat flying video games back in the 1990’s and glad to see that software has really improved.
To be honest, this video was assembled from many small parts. It even uses two different maps in DCS. But if it seemed seamless to you, that's a huge compliment!
It was an F-16D two seater because that was the jet that was available for CAP that day and they needed to fly the hours to put it into a regular inspection.
Great video. The radio chatter is interesting. For most laymen who are not into flying military jets, can’t really understand them although they are spoken in clear English.
Thanks! I always love to do missions where the original radio chatter is available. And when there's no transcription, it really takes a few attempts to get everything right.
Every single one of your videos has impressed and has not left me feeling let down or wanting more of the video, like I wanna see more of your videos but they don't leave me like hanging you know what I mean! Ha always impressive 👏 not just the gameplay but the research you've done and basically made it into a presentation and playing a game it's genius bro good job your totally different than other channels and that's why I come here first!!!
Thank you very much for your positive comment! I try to do things that others don't, or at least I do them some other way. I sometimes get suggestions that i should be more like this channel or that channel (mostly GS 😁). But I see no point in copying others.
@@showtime112 nah no point at all bro being different is what sets you apart in this world!!! Now taking what others do and doing it better is never a bad idea 💡
Ah, the Viper. My favorite jet fighter. It can fight (almost) anything. I hope for more F-16 vids, and maybe SEPECAT Jaguars? They had a LOT of action in Iraq. And you mention the other reasons I like this fighter. Some twenty-ish countries use it. Speaks volumes.
Tactical Comm has really come a long way. I was a controller and an instructor for new AWACS controllers. through AFTTP 3-1.1 revisions and the ALSA Com standards, we have really improved the standardization & brevity on the radio since this engagement - which was before y time. Today Tac C2 never uses the word "cleared" because it is reserved for ATC & JTAC weapons release Comm. We also would never authorize a shot off of a BANDIT ID since in all ID Matrixes only a HOSTILE ID - a contact that is positively ID'd as an enemy (BANDIT) AND has demonstrated the commander's designated "hostile act" or "hostile intent" can be fired on. Sometime the HA/HI is a simple as flying is designated airspace, but missile don't leave rails until the word HOSTILE is spoken. that's a lesson learned from friendly fire.
Thank you very much for providing the info and your personal expertise on the subject! Like all other things, communications need to evolve and lessons are often learned the hard way.
Interesting the choice of AAMRAM at near minimal distance with the bogey in visual range - I wonder if there was a thought for using Sidewinder. Interesting in most of these videos the "limited" duration of rocket motor burn. I did not know that most missiles are in "glide" mode on approach to target. Thank you for these excellent video dioramas! Can we call these dioramas or is that for static displays only?
It's a Rules of Engagement thing. This is not an open war so they are careful. F-16s need to be sure that this is an Iraqi fighter that crossed the line. They get AWACS confirmation at the last moment and only then Nordo fires. Missile motors actually burn briefly and missile then continues using the energy it accumulated until that point. Are these dioramas? I don't know. Definition says it's a static display set. But I don't mind if you want to call it that way 😁 Thanks for the comment!
Great Historical Video Content as always. 👍Hardly got time to breath in between your video, following ups are coming in @Mach Speed. 🏃♂️The refiling scene @4:20min. left me speechless, 😉it was simply great done. What I don't understand, the MIG-25 Pilot should have realized that he's been locked on, so why he has not taken any countermeasures 🤔? I mean, the MIG-25 is a great Fighter Jet plane, so I really wonder ??? Not100% sure but was it in 1992 or in 2003 where funny wise the Iraqi Air Force buried MIG-21,MIG-23, MIG-25 in the sand trying to hide them from the Enemies.🤦♂️I was told also that the fact was the Iraqi Air Force sucked at defending Iraqi airspace.
Glad you liked this one too! As for the Iraqi pilot, nobody seems to know for sure what was happening there but I can offer some speculations. It is possible that he was trying to maneuver and deploy chaff but it simply didn't work. I found a post on some forum that he may have launched a missile (IR probably since F-16s got no warnings), so that was his plan. Perhaps the most likely explanation comes from the fact that this wasn't a proper war and rules of engagement might not have been too clear for the Iraqi side. They were trained to follow GCI guidance and he might have been receiving delayed or contradictory commands. He was also being jammed, this might have been a factor. The airplanes being buried in the sad took place later in the OIF when Iraqi Air Force never even attempted to defend their airspace. They kinda went 'underground' 😁
I agree with you on most points, but MiG-25 being a great fighter plane is a bit of a stretch, IMO. Not very agile, but it's top speed was it's chance of survival. Flying it slower than Mach 2 was somewhat of a waste and quite risky, being a huge target in the sky. 🤔
@@PappaBear_yt I agree with you, it was not the lightest High-Speed supersonic interceptor. The MiG-25 is one of the fastest combat aircraft ever produced, capable of achieving speeds in excess of Mach 2.83. Production ended in 1984. High-strength steels and titanium are used in approximately 80% of the MiG-25 airframe. It was a hit-and-run fighter, Or one could say (2 FAST 4YOU) therefore it also had no on board cannons it was not really made to get into close dogfighting. The armament was 4 missiles, and Pappa Bear as you said its weapon was its terrific speed of Mach 2.83. Remembering watching the news back in 1976 were a MiG-25 pilot defected to Japan, very exciting.
Great footage as usual, it's sad to see the end of a FOXBAT like that...But this aircraft wasn't designed to do some dogfight for sure and a bunch of F-16's are a way more serious threat than a XB-70!!
@@mtumeumrani376 Not necessarily. It is interesting that when Iraqi leadership decided to send aircraft to Iran, the 29s were sent too. But not the 25s.
In reality it happened a few moments later, during the diving turn but it was impossible to set to rhe exact second. This way it's even more dramatic 😁
Why do F-16's carry the heavier AMRAAM in the tip of the wings instead of under it as most of the other planes (That carries the heavier missiles closer to the fuselage) ? Great video!
I know the correction about the 33rdFS has already been made, but just a historical fact - the 310th Tophats is a training squadron at Luke AFB, AZ, where new USAF F-16 Pilots learn to fly the jet. the 310th did a lot of NVG training for Viper pilots, but with the conversion to the F-35, the 310th + the 309th Mad Mallards (basic F-16 flight training squadron) merged resources so the 309th could continue F-16 training while the 310th began F-35 operations.
At the time, it looked to me like the MIG driver may have gotten his coordinates wrong, as the aircraft ran parallel to the no-fly zone, albeit inside the zone by a few miles. Pays to always get your navigation right don't it. :)
@@showtime112 yep that was just a stupid political stunt , the f16 is the better air to air fighter watch the 2 at an airshow its obvious , the airforce liked the eagle better i guess wanted it to look better for export , the other excuse for it i have heard is we were running out of smart bombs and the f16 c had the better modern radar system for dropping dumb bombs
@@mikesmith-wk7vy To be fair, F-15C units only trained for air-to-air. So it wasn't completely foolish to use them for air superiority while so many bombs needed to be dropped.
@Counter Air yes smart bomb priority was rightfully given to the f117 , i just always thought it was funny having your large heavy fighter on air cover and your small light fighter carrying the 2000 lb bombs
Pretty sure we can deduce how Nordo got his name. :) Also, if it was a D model that shot down the MiG-25, he probably had a centerline tank and retained it as the D has significantly less internal fuel than a C.
Nordo got his callsign as a F-4G Wild Weasel "Bear" (GIB, WSO, backseater in other cultures) while at George AFB, CA. I'd love to be able to recount the story but I don't remember the details other than it involved his comm cord becoming disconnected during a training engagement. Gary was my student while he was in the T-37 in UPT at Reese AFB in the fall of1980. He was a great student, best I ever had, the senior officer and class leader in a class of a lot of zoomies, and graduated #1. We knew he was going to do big things even then. He did.
@@regprewitt7637 Thanks for the background. I love callsign stories. Most of us has have had a comm-cord issue at some point in our flying career albeit usually early on. Again, thanks for the background and thank you for your service, from a helicopter guy.
That is true. It was a mistake on my part and I thank you for pointing it out. The airframe was later transferred to the 310th and this skin was presented in the article used as the primary source. I corrected the video description, pinned a comment and turned English captions with correct info on by default. If you participated in Southern Watch, I apologize for this.
@@showtime112 No offense taken. What caught my eye was the LF tailflash. Luke AFB hosts the 56FW which is a training wing and doesnt deploy like say Shaw or Hill.
Maybe someone familiar with F-16s can help me out, I've never understood why they carry AMRAAMs on the wingtip stations. We never did that when I worked on F/A-18s, it doesn't make sense to me to have a heavier payload on the furthest outboard stations, especially if carrying the AIM-9 as well. On Hornets and Supers we almost always carried heavier ordinance further inboard.
It seems that carrying AMRAAMs on wingtips reduces the wing flutter. It's counter intuitive but I guess it works. Or at least, this is the explanation that I found.
Mig 25 shot down if 18 in Iraq in 1991 the pilot was Scot spykar he go to duth ... and in 1993 mig 25 destroy if 16 ... the first was mig 29 and when fuel be little in if 16 ower mig 25 go up to sky and killed if 16 .. I am sorry my English language bad .. I have information in Arabic language about Iraq army's my father was a good soldier in the war in 1980 to 1988
Thanks for commenting! The MiG-25 shootdown of the F/A-18 is a bit hard to do in DCS because MiG-25 is not flyable, it's just an AI controlled model. Do you have anything about Iraqi fighter planes in the war against Iran?
I wouldn't say it was really 'easy'. And we don't really know if the MiG was trying to attack or not. He might have been jammed effectively. He might have even launched an IR homing missile. RoE was such that the F-16 leader needed to have the nerves of steel approaching the MiG and only getting confirmation at the last moment. Plus, worrying about his inexperienced wingman. It might have easily ended differently. Besides, in the last 40 years, all air-to-air duels were decided by factor other that ACM. It is always technology, tactics, psychology..... GS style, 'fair' duels between equal opponents where the winner is decided by superior maneuvers just don't happen anymore.
Yeah the defender dying without knowing he will like a good 80% of all air to air kills ever its life air combat isn't a glamorous ace combatesque turn and burn fight it is cruel and is mostly just well planned ambushes
Da, to se sada potvrđuje iz svih izvora. Prvih godina se vodio kao pogodak rakete sa zemlje. Iračani nisu bili baš tako loše obučeni da im se ne bi moglo potrefiti da obore koji avion. Zapravo, vođe koalicije su očekivali puno veće gubitke. Iako po nekim izvorima, tom F-18 je RWR bio neispravan.
@@nekilik1895 Jako je teško reći. Mislim da stvarni podaci ni za jednu nisu baš potpuno otkriveni. Možemo isprobavati u DCS-u ali tko zna ima li ED točne podatke (i smije li ih objaviti).
The Iraqis are the ones who invented writing and everything. Surely they can shoot down a thousand American planes with stones. Expect everything from Iraq. It is a very powerful country that can bring down America 🇮🇶💞🇵🇸
Mig 25 in DCS World!! Time to talk about colonel Zuhair Dawoud. The only iraqi pilot to shoot down a US fighter in the first Gulf War. It would be another great video to add to the list... 🙄🙄🙄
The only pilot? There was lots of American Planes shot down in Air to air combat most of them the US didn’t even acknowledge (like When Iraq was able to take down an F15 in the gulf war or in the 70s) So alot of American Jets got shot down in the gulf war thats not even counting the ones the US hides As for Iraq the jet casualties was also way less than the media says because Iraq was good at storing the jets underground
@@husseinoskovjino9398 and running to Iran to hide! Your information is full of propaganda, but it has to be, so your pilots won't soil themselves hearing that American fighter aircraft are in the vicinity!
F-16s apparently maneuvered to cut him off. What exactly was happening with the MiG-25 pilot will probably never be known exactly. It could be that he was jammed hard, didn't have a proper situational awareness. Maybe he was depending on GCI to tell him what to do which they didn't. These are all just assumptions but could explain it.
There could be a number of reasons. Maybe he couldn't get a radar lock because of jamming or a faulty system. We don't know exactly what Iraqi ROE was. Maybe he wasn't allowed to shoot without GCO clearing him and that never happened.
@@cecilmessi6972 lol that's how people criticising Chinese jet. Crying about j20 copying f22 which both aren't the same. I did it sarcastically with different flags and people starts blaming again.
We don't know exactly what it was doing. He could have even launched an IR missile. Combat in a non-war situation can be even more complicated because of RoE.
Well you tell that pretty much any fighter pilot who has any air to air victories a solid 80% of all air to air kills recorded happened like that the defender never sees the attacker and the attacker kills the defender Air warfare is just well played ambushes dogfights have always been rare
The choice of music was actually inspired by the fact that it sounded a bit like U2 on Achtung Baby. One of my favorite albums in 1992. Most people will probably not get that but who knows.
What about Mig-21 shotdown F-16 . I am watching ur video ur always show Russian fighterjet worst it's not a true friend every fighter are good it's depend on pilot.
The story about Indian MiG-21 against Pakistani F-16 was covered on this channel. And I wouldn't say that I always show Russian jets getting shot down. If you just look at all the videos done on the channel you will see that your impression is very inaccurate.
The not fly zone and the embargo over Iraq lead to the destabilization of Saddam's regime, the Iraqi have to use there Migs sparsely when encountering Allied fighters, it got to the point the Iraqi ran out of spared parts to fixed there Air forces.
I'm sure that the constant pressure took its toll. On the other hand, Saddam could take advantage of having such an enemy to distract his people but still.
