DCS World - Greek Mirage 2000 vs Turkish F-16, October 1996 

Here's a quick explanation of (part of) the territorial dispute: countries typically exert territorial control 12 nautical miles off their coastlines; but if Greece were to do that, the Aegean Sea would become a Greek lake. So Turkey demands that both countries keep to a 6 mile limit in the Aegean, considering it a casus belli if Greece were to increase it. Greece has been complying with that, but considers 6 miles to be ridiculously low for airspace, so has declared its control to 10 miles there. Turkey does not recognize that and keeps challenging it with overflights, through what it calls 'neutral' airspace. Greece intercepts Turkish intrusions to maintain its claim on the 10 mile airspace limit.

Never fail to impress. I only have been subscribed for a week, and your videos are keeping me entertained and educated while I have to do my long hours of duty and training in the Marine Corps. Thank you and keep them coming!

I'm Turkish, and despite all the banter and airspace violations we got going on both sides, I hope we never fight our neighbors in any serious capacity. Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a slap back to reality for me in that regard. Great video as always Showtime112!

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Most of the dogfights are violent and difficult (As they can be in a "not war" situation). There are real video footage of this and there had been tragic events several times.

Thank your for your educational information on specific aspects of events that are relevant in recent history, Your work is excellent in every detail!

How does this channel only have 11k subscribers? He’s fair and balanced and reports only facts.

Falkland islands are so far away from England and so close to Argentina but this doesn’t make them Argentinian territory. That explains why the British defended them. Maybe this example is good enough to understand why a country like Greece which exists over 4000 years defends its territory…

Showtime112, I salute you sir! Another great video. DCS is a great platform but you have taken it to the next level. I love the re-enactments of historic aerial engagements that you create. Not only are the visuals and editing great but it’s also a history lesson to boot. I agree with other commenters and think you’re onto something big with your content. Keep up the amazing work! 👍🏽

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Well done, another A+!

I have been waiting for this video thank you

Have to say, your channel is slowly getting better and bigger. With a little more, you could be one of the major DCS and Flightsim RU-vidrs. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻

I really enjoy these historical reenactments with the music of the place and time to establish where and when we are . You mentioned that you don't have a HUD recording of the actual event so you are being creative to reproduce it . That made me think, is it possible to use the FLIGHT DATA RECORD of real events to run DCS? Imagine running the Concord crash or the Canary islands tragedy or any other incident which was recorded. Then we could analyse the incident like never before . Developers could sell different historical incidents! That could be interesting. Thanks.

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I know exactly what happened that day. Lieutenant Grivas had not received an order to shut down the F-16. He was ordered to intercept the Turkish F 16s and escort them back to the Turkish airspace in accordance with international rules of conduct. Captain Erdogan refused to obey these instructions and tried to turn the Mirage into a dogfight. Lieutenant Grivas already had the F16 in the viewfinder and Captain Erdogan still refused to obey the instructions. Instead he managed to break out and tried to sit behind the Mirage at 6 o'clock. However, he did not succeed and Lieutenant Grivas shot the jet down with an R.550 Magic II in self-defense after an aggressive air combat maneuver. As a result, Lieutenant Grivas was suspended from the Greek Air Force, which was a shame for the politicians.

Damn those phantoms look so good... If I remember correctly some e-aerobatics team have a closed mod of it.

Εvery country that respects its sovereign rights must do just that to any intruder, who intends to encroach on or challenge your sovereignty. Unfortunately, we only carry out interceptions and this gives the opponent the chance to continue its illegal actions. With Rafale F3R, we hope that will change soon. Risky games also have risky endings. Glory to the HAF

Another great vid keep up the good work

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It was an airspace violation. Every country should follow International Law. Turkey can't be an exception....

4:11 it was not an accidental collision. The Turkish pilot tried to hit the cockpit canopy of the Greek plane with his wing and that's why the Greek pilot was killed instantly. Or he never knew the Greek aircraft was there and in his panic he tried to make a hard turn with the same result.

You forgot to mention that the armed Turkish f16 Was trying to go behind the Greek mirage for several minutes. That was a threat and threats need to be stopped...

Have you done a segment on the shoot-down of flight KAL 007, or would that be outside the subject matter treated on your channel?

Your videos are awesome! What GPU are you using?

This is like an Real Footage! Awesome! Clouds,Sun,Sea, reflections etc are OUTSTANDING! I love Greece and GREECE-2 Movie! 😆😆😆😆😆 I love my country's Mirage -2000H too! Love from India 🇮🇳

Another gem of a presentation Showtime !

Mortal enemies for centuries and unfortunate. Both important Allies and friends. Nothing but respect and love for both your countries people, rich cultures and contributions to the world.

I really like this video, excellent piece of work!

The convention defines territorial water claims up to 12nm - there are no exceptions to this and if Greeks want to close Turkey off they can do so legally. Greeks to play nice picked 6nm - similar to UK in Gibraltar. They have the right to extend it as much as they like up to 12nm. They picked air space at 10nm - which is again within their right. In short Turkey is daily infringing on Greeks territory & acting illegally as per convention it signed.

Do you record these videos on a server or on single player? For some reason the tracks while playing with Razbam modules don't work and deviate from the actual actions

Great channel!

Another interesting incident. Awesome.

As usual. 4 Turkish jets intercepted by 2 Greek jets. In this case 1 Turkish jet shot down. That's why turkey is nervous. Thank God turkey has erdogan. He has done more for Greece than anyone

Thanks for this presentation. Historical for the Aviaton Community.

Your hard work is commendable 👍

Love this content

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Great video again ST112! I think I'd have to agree on the armed switch idea. I know these guys are highly trained but these weapon systems are so complex. It would be interesting to see what outcome there would be between a block 51 Viper and a Mirage 2000 each with experienced Turkish and Hellenic pilots with the most modern missiles in their inventories.

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I love the music that you use in your videos

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the straight profile (stance) of the air force variant of the F-4E Phantom II (Block 42+) multi role interdictor strike fighter featuring a 25 MM GAU-12/U 6-barrel rotary gun built into the forward lower fuselage starboard side . . . is the best variant by far . . .

For such occasions , I wish my country eventually withdraw from NATO, they offer no guaranty for our security just like in 1974, its all about keeping us customers for buying their weapons Greece recognises 12 nautical miles and half distance to the east between turkish mainland shores and Greek estern island shores

Lt Grivas after this incident trasfered to Kalamata trainning wing and he was a T-6 Texan II flight instructor in 2002 when i had my flight trainning

Wow, its really awesome….

It's remarkable that both countries are NATO and have such an intense dislike with one another. That would be like Denmark and Norway getting into it over some stuff that happened during the Viking era. Could it have been an accidental launch? Its very possible. But why was his finger on the trigger? I would like to know what happened to the career of the Greek pilot who pulled the trigger. That might be an indicator of whether it was accidental or not. Great video!

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Another great video. Once more, it will be many more years before we will know the truth about what really happened, if we ever do. And ST112 was that a tongue-in-cheek comment about the 2 seater F-16s? 😂

Before writing about the incident, a small briefing about Turkey's policy for the last 50 years against Greece and other of its neighboring countries is necessary for the non familiar of the south eastern Mediterranean sea. Turkey is a revisionist regime that will try to erase or rewrite history, bypass agreements and interpret international law as it suits her. Stuck in the past of the ottoman empire, modern Turkey treats its neighbors as previous conquest that block her from accessing the rich in oil and gas, sea and land. Turkey threatens Greece with war if Greece tries to drill for oil in the Aegean sea. This is unheard of, to be forced not to have control over your exclusive economic zone by another country and of course is against the law of the sea. Greece's stance over the Turkish imperialistic threats over half a century is to keep a low tone in the matter and to not provoke any spasmodic response. About the 1996 incident, I have a few things to add. Turkey during the 70s, out of the blue, decided that Greece's FIR and SAR region should extend no more to the east than the 25th meridian that splits the Aegean sea in half. After that, Turkish fighter jets started flying sorties by the thousands per year inside Athens FIR without filing flight plans or calling the Hellenic aviation authority in the radio during their flights and at some point, started to violate Greek national airspace and even overflown Greek islands with armed planes! This is a very dangerous practice especially with civilian air traffic besides everything else. As in any other country, and according to ICAO rules, Greece is obligated to scramble alert fighter jets to intercept these illegal intrusions, and of course to protect national soil. In 1974, during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, two Turkish F-102As fired AIM-4 falcon missiles against a pair of Greek F-5As that were scrambled to intercept them inside Athens FIR. The Greek fighters responded by shooting down one F-102 with AIM-9B and forcing the other one to crash. Something similar happened in 1996, cause Greeks will never pull the trigger first. The version of the incident I believe as the truth has the 4 Turkish Phantoms flying a simulated attack against the Greek island of Skyros under the cover of 2 armed with air to air missiles F-16s of 192 squadron. This squadron, under the plans of the deep Turkish state or Operation Balyoz (Sledgehammer) specifically, had special training among other TUAF squadrons, to be extra aggressive and to provoke Greek fighters. The F-16 that collided and murdered a Greek F-16 pilot 10 years later, in 2006, was from 192 squadron as well. When the Greek Mirage 2000s tried to intercept the fleeing F-4s, the pair of the Turkish F-16s interfered and at some point, the F-16D of the flight opened fire with it's 20mm cannon against the Greek jets either as a warning or missed on a kill shot. The Mirages observing the tracers fired upon them, responded by shooting down the threat with an R.550 Magic II, as any other pilot would have done. Greek pilots are highly professional and are considered among the top in NATO, so I do not think that this was an accident. This was a plan of the Turkish deep state that went not exactly as it was expected by it's designers. Nevertheless, Turkey tried to capitalize on this incident years later, by sponsoring a bogus article in a shadowy short lived Greek magazine that provided fake pictures of a killmark on a Greek Mirage and the supposed name of the Greek pilot responsible for the shooting. Claims in Turkish regime owned media wrote about a law suit against the Greek pilot from the family of the dead Turkish pilot in the European Court of Human Rights, that never happened. The fake ECHR law suit disappeared shortly after, as the magazine that posted the article. In 1974, 1996 and 2006, Turkey tried to provoke Greece by using TUAF as a means to gain the upper hand and justify her moves in further plans. Greece did not take the bait and proved to be a cool headed pylon of stability in the area. What were the exact Turkish plans, I guess we will never know, and I thank the Hellenic Air Force for that.

Love the Jet sound, wind sound

I didn't see f-16's take off in the beginning of the video but I did see an couple of F-4 Phantoms, was there an error in the description? Great video though, thanks for sharing.

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From 3.000BC the hall area was Greek, (Greece + Minor Asia + some part of Middle East). Thats why Alexander the Great began the operations to free these territories from Persian occupation. From 330AC to 1453AC the region was Greek and part of the Byzantine Empire for 1123 years. The Seltzuk Turks from 1071 (Mantzikert battle), as a nomadic population who are, started invading the Byzantine Empire with the known results. Nowdays we see the same, Turkish soldiers invading Syria, Lebanon, Georgia, Cyprus, Greece etc. Its most likely Turkey will not exist from 2023 and further as they spread their forces to create again the Ottoman Empire...

The difference is that the Greek side say 12 miles from the islands which is the correct and the turkish side say that is 6 miles.

What exactly happened is unknown but one thing is for sure, the Turkish fighter tried something and got smoked.

If the shootdown was deliberate or not will probably still remain in dispute. However, there is a picture that was posted immediately after the incident that shows the Mirage 2000 that was reportedly involved in the incident had a Turkish flag painted under the windscreen of the jet. The Greek commanders ordered that it be removed shortly afterward so as to not inflame the situation with the Turks further

Victorious Hellenic Air Force ! Top class pro pilots. Eagles. Turk shot first n missed. Hence Lt. Grivas defended and shot him down. Video needs correction.

Jeli Eagle Dynamicsu u planu ubacit neke module koji su dvosjedi osim F-14? Recimo... MiG-29UB, MiG-21UM, pravi F-4 Phantom ili dvosjed varijante nekih drugih aviona. Čekamo i Eurofighter. Samo su ostavili trailer pa su začkomili...

Just WOW!

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The cockpit displays are incorrect. The close-combat missile can be launched off-boresight.

It was an airspace violation. It's happening almost every day for years now.

@Showtime112 I have watched all your videos and they are amazing.. Could you please make a new one with the interception of Serbian MiG-29 by Dutch F-16AM with AMRAAM at the NATO bombing, 1999?

also a type of aircraft that greece had but turkey is not available were the bombers a 7 corsair

"Invincible" my a**!

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i love that 90% of commenters are with greek usernames. grik stronk

Why on rear view mirrors we cant see your room?

That Greek pilot deserves a medal. Go Greece Go !!!

Mirage vx viper 🙂👍i like that match-up!

... The tone, tenor, and tempo of the narrator gets an "A".

it does not matter if a Geek island is a half stone near Turkey ...the only thing matters is THE LAW , my dear friend . also we should ,could and is our right to have 12 miles ,as the Law of the Sea gives us the right to, but because of our loyalty to allies like U.S. we didn't all these years. as for the dogfights ....turkey should pay our pilots for free training those donks :)

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That music is right cacophony.

What kind of music is that

Some real Hatfields and McCoys bs...

It seemed like a slow dogfight, not so intense.

Wow, if this came to blows, it could have been really, really bad . . . The sad thing is this scare between Greece and Turkey was way back when Turkey was a truly secular democratic republic. And that made the possibility of conflict in the 90s all the more sad--two democratic NATO states. Granted, back then, Russia was at its low point. Today, you know things are horrible in Turkey when--after the failed "coup" a few years ago (I call it a failed "liberation attempt")--Turkish fighter pilots and sailors defected to Greece. Their supposed "arch-rival." They were humiliated, but hopefully got their families over there, too. Turks are willing to fight Greeks over disputed territory . . . and vice versa . . . .and, frankly, that's stupid. But that's where civilian authorities are supposed to step in. What--historically--the Turkish Armed Forces would NOT do is fight for religious reasons. But that's what Erdogan today wants them to do.

Zanima me mišljenje autora, u kolikoj meri bi se mogao suprotstaviti mig-29 sm rafalu van vizuelnog dometa?

As a Turkish, i can confirm that the Greek pilot was great and shoot down our planes.(and sometimes we shoot them)

Greek pilots are the best👍

Troublesome waters those...

Q:What hotas do you use?

tanks

..an F'100 shot down a B-52 in the 50's... with a Sidewinder... I'm sure there is more...

this dogfight is casual between two natp cpuntries

Grivas saw the way!!

Very sad incident. Last thing I want to see is our Greek allies fighting our Turkish allies.

If we look objectively, there was an unarmed patrol agreement between Greece and Turkey at that time, and in this incident, the Turkish F16 was unarmed, the Greek plane was armed, most likely the Turkish pilot thought that the Greek pilot was bluffing, what the Greeks did was nothing but backstabbing, anyway, they fired that Greek pilot in the Aegean after a short time. A Greek warplane crashed, it was never explained why :)

Turks training over the Aegean? Do you find it logical or aggresive? YOUR TURN.

Good diving

Greece have 10 miles air territory and 6 miles territorial water. Turks claim both are 6 miles. After Imia (1996)Turks also claim some small Islands are Turkish so they fly over almost every day. Greece intercepts them every time. I don't know about this shot down I think is an urban legend. In 1992 Sialmas was in dogfight with Turkish F-16 and had vertigo Some years ago there was a video on RU-vid.

Hellenic Air Force have most air to air and air to ground kills against NATO fighters. On the eighth of October 1996, seven months after the escalation of the Imia/Kardak crisis, a Greek Mirage 2000 reportedly fired an R.550 Magic II missile and shot down a Turkish F-16D over the Aegean Sea near Chios island. In 2006 Greek and Turkish F-16 fighter planes collided in midair today in disputed airspace over the Aegean Sea. On 26 January 2015, an F-16 jet fighter of the Hellenic Air Force crashed into the flight line at Los Llanos Air Base in Albacete, Spain, killing 11 people: the two crew members and nine on the ground. Twenty-one others, all on the ground, were also injured. A total of five aircraft on the ground were damaged or destroyed, including two Italian AMXs, two French Alpha Jets, and one French Mirage 2000.

Oh boy

If you want to train, you have to ask permission. Otherwise, you invade and you will be asked to leave. If not, you will be forced to do so.

❤❤❤❤ Support sepenuhnya Pesawat Teknologi non Siluman Generasi 4 Pesawat Mirage 2.000 versi 5 dan Pesawat Mirage 2.000 versi 9 sangat fungsional multirole dan multiporpose kemampuan manuver dan beban senjata cantelan Rudal lebih mumpuni handal

This happened in the time of Archbishop Makarios