DCS World - MiG-21 vs F-104 - Indo-Pakistani Conflict 1971 

That is an excellent metaphor. These videos are primarily targeted for aviation enthusiasts. Those that generally don't care if their nation is involved or not, or who won etc. However, the 'cricket fans' are a necessary evil.

Pakistani pilots would beg to differ. Did you not hear hassan sidiqui boasting about the fake downing of a Sumki? That too after losing a f16B to a mig 21...there is a difference in mindset ..anther fake hero is Alam of 65 fame ...they need fake heroes to prove their "superiority " over the hindus. Our guys do their job and quietly move on. We don't make museums with mannequins or ads making fun of the enemy.

Wise comment

Indeed very true words by the Indian pilots, jay ho to the both sides of the conflict, if I may say so...I really hope these two nations will live in peace and harmony forever.

Peace is impossible until Pakistan becomes like Bangladesh.

Thanks for sharing!

Why turn fight on an energy plane, f104 had excellent handling for what it tbh, it’s a capable air superiority fighter

Depends on altitude, and if the mig slows down to turn in the F104 could just bug out or withdraw to reengage on their own terms, if the 104 is smart enough to keep the mig in their comfort zone, and keeps energy

@@ivynbean Ehhh 104 is by no means a superiority fighter, it was an interceptor, but it could handle itself well enough

@@Deveerox agreed 👍 slash , lock on , fire missiles and bug out , that was the Starfighters forte.

Thanks for commenting. I've actually recently come across a text about this. Such stories sometimes happen long after wars are finished.

Sincerley felt for enemy WTF then it didnt stop them from killing each other so make no fiing difference if they were blood thirsty killers ok dead id dead no matter

Thank you for that amazing comment, I'm glad you liked the video. I wonder what that painting looks like..... :)

@@showtime112 It's oil on canvas I think, saw it many moons ago but left an impression on me images.app.goo.gl/piXRPoYeDgmY7WHx8

@@shanksinha81 Thanks for the link. I wish I had know about it before, I might have set the tail number right :)

@@showtime112 A 1997 article in Vayu Aerospace mag gives excellent details. The below site is one of the best references on Indian Airforce history www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/history/1971war/1287-supersonic-combat.html#gsc.tab=0

Thank the computer gunsight

I don’t think it’s underestimated I think it’s more that people don’t understand how large India and its military is, you have units comparable to the best Nato units and then you have units which are worse equipped then some Taliban. Same for the airforce on the one side you have Su 30MKI and Rafales on the other Mig 21 and Jaguars which are just extremely outdated. I mean it’s the same with Pakistan the Mirage 5 and F 7 pale compared to J10 and F16s. The only place where one side is better than the other is Tanks, the VT-4s are better than T90, Arjun and T72s

The most exciting period in aviation history, if you ask me 😁

Thanks for the comment, glad you liked the video. I will probably reenact one of hose airfield attacks too. Sabre is available so it looks promising.

because they lack in fuel for that attack and it was response of india intruding in East Pakistan

Very bad error to use an interceptor as a ground attack airplane. AND WITHOUT BOMBS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Pak AF was totally eliminated in 71...After the war not a single.PAF plane was fit to fly or was there to fly

@@ashishbhatt6874 Wikipedia 1971 war and I saw total different thing

Took several attempts to do it 😁

bruh pakistani pilots always evade the missile

It means that they are the best !

Well, there is a definite shortage of Cold War jets in DCS. Perhaps more modern ones sell much better.....

It cost a lot of money to develop these models, with the small player base of a sim like DCS world that cost has to be spread among a small number of people. If someone makes an F-104 and almost no one buys it then they would have to charge like $1,000 in order to make their money back, in this business model it is harder for a company to produce less popular vehicle.

@@doc7000 That definitely makes sense. But then again, some teams developed various trainers and aerobatics aircraft. Modules like F-104, F-4 or Mirage III should outsell those dozens of times. Or am I missing something?

@@showtime112 some of those other aircraft like acrobatic ones probably dont cost nearly as much to develop. Also some trainers are actually popular like the T38 might be a popular enough trainer, the F4 is popular enough that it will sell like hot cakes just probably not the f104 even though that would be an instant buy for me.

@@doc7000 I suppose that availability of data is probably one of the most important factors. But, good news is that older aircraft modules are being developed. For example, that MiG-17 was such a nice surprise recently.

You are welcome. I'm glad you liked the video!

I'll check it out. Sadly, we don't have Mysteres in DCS.

Oh yes, it never performed well in real combat but it's still totally cool!

Actually, it's safety record was not because of the faults of the design, but because it was used for something it wasn't intended for. F-104 was meant to be a point-defence interceptor against Soviet bombers attacking US mainland - take-off quickly, gain altitude and speed, shoot down the attackers and return - all while flying straight lines at high altitude and with fairly light armament load. Instead, it was used mostly as low-level fighter-bomber, flying at low level, often in poor weather, doing lots of maneuvering while heavily laden. Countries that used Starfighters "as intended" - for air defence (like Spain or Japan), actually had losses no worse than other supersonic fighters of that period.

@@eswube That is very much true, F-104 was never designed to be a low level bomber. On the other hand, most aircraft end up doing things that they were never designed for.

@@eswube also, most jet aircraft of this had relatively atrocious accident rates compared to modern fighters. iirc, 1/3 of Australia’s mirage fleet was lost to accidents.

@@eswube maybe some blame must be on Lockheed who sold them to nations as such when they were looking for multirole(by standards of those days) aircraft and bribed their way over the competition ( Mirage III and Draken)

Thank you for yet another comment. Luftwaffe service was indeed the most controversial use for the F-104. But even there, after a while losses dropped significantly. I seem to remember that Erich Hartmann strongly opposed to acquiring the F-104.

@@showtime112 Most Welcome. For the ones who don't know, Erich Hartmann 1922-1993 he was the World's most successfully German WWII, Air Ace, with 352 confirmed kills mainly over the territories of Russia. He helped to rebuild the German Luftwaffe from 1956 onwards again.

People often comment on that. But that's not so uncommon. Military aircraft are often designed for one specific task and then later asked to do a lot more. Phantom was designed to be the fleet defender but it ended up doing air superiority, bombing strikes, CAS, SEAD.....Perhaps F-104 was more limited to begin with so it wasn't very successful in other roles.

first of all , the 104 in Pakistani service was an A, a VERY basic plane with not very reliable engines and basic targeting system and no RWR, or decoy systems.. This being said, the F104 is an outstanding fighter plane in the right hands, which means relying on sustained turn rate at high speed and out accelerating your enemy with ease. If you keep the plane above 380 - 400 Knots nothing could touch you (except may be an F106). The Mig 21 (unless it'sa BIS, and then you should compare it to an S Starfighter) was marginally more manoeuvrable below 350Knots , but the engine was always problematic, forcing the pilot to watch how the power stick was shifted, and above, 350Knots even a Phantom could out turn it, let alone an F-104. Mig acceleration is sluggish and no where near a Starfighter. Here the pilot made a fatal mistake: lack of awareness and trying to outmanoeuvre the opponents diving on him at high speed by pulling in the vertical. The Migs simply had much more energy in that situation. What he could have done is engage in a Scissor and then pull away once the Mig has lost his energy advantage: they were even equipped with gunpods! There was possibly, in his defence, poor communications, with his wingman doing nothing and letting him in a hopeless 2 vs 1 situation. You don't venture in enemy territory with a faulty plane and keep going just to strafe some well defended target: going alone against multiple enemies in modern combat is a death sentence.

@@showtime112 The Phantom (at least the B/C/D/N versions) was about as manoeuvrable as an F104G, a heavier plane then the A/C version. the F-104 advanteg increases exponentially with speed. You can download the PDF of the phantom and the Starfighter pilot's handbooks and compare the flight envelopes. What experioenced pilots in a Phantom (nicknamed Rhino for a reason) did when facing more manoeuvrable opponents was to keep the energy advantage and out turn them in sustained turn ratio. This was easily done in an F104, which had definitely better power to weight ratio, and could very easily out accelerate a Phantom. The secret, as Chuck Yeager was telling the Pakistani pilots in 1965 while trainign them, was to stay fast. Unlike today, where IR missiles are almost impossible to dodge, in the sixties and seventies they had VERY short range and faulty seekers, meaning you could outmaneuvre them. That's what often happened in the Iran-Iraq war, The six Days wars ad the skirmishes between Mirages F1 and the Mozambique Mig 21: they were often solved with guns. The problem is that any rookie can learn insitictively how to pull on the stick and turn away, but it takes an experience and tactical pilot to use the plane energy excess to his advantage. As in a chess game you have to plan ahead and bring the enemy whee you want him to be. Here the Atoll seems to have missed and easy target and guns were used to kill the target. This being said, If an enemy jumps on you from above, you lack situationa awarness and your wingman is totally useless, there is very little you can do, even in a 4th gen fighter plane. The Pakistani shouls have aborted the mission rather then risk a strafing mission with a crippled plane in a wing of 2

Thanks! Yeah, I like those too.

F 104 was a third class product. Only speed, no manverability

Am I right Canada will be purchasing the SAAB Gripen in the near future to come instead of the Lockheed F-35? And only three of seven F-18 fighter jets purchased from Australia by the Canadian government have been integrated into the air force so far, and the Department of National Defence says key upgrades to as much as one-third of Canada's fighter force will take up to five years.

@@LockOnNow The Australian F-18s are a stopgap while they figure out what is next. It's really a political football.

@@LockOnNow I think Canada would be better off with the Grippen, Rafael, or Eurofighter. They could afford more of them and have a very capable combat aircraft. The F-35 isn't the best choice for a lot of the countries that planned to purchase it.

Actually, the tiny wings help with low level missions. The high wing loading helps contribute to stability at low altitude. If you look at other high speed/low level strike planes like the Jaguar, TSR.2 or some of the Soviet designs of that era, they've all got fairly small wings. The swing-wing designs in that role are compromising performance to achieve a shorter take-off, which was in-line with doctrine at the time which worried about having runways available in the event of war. The designs with longer swept wings were typically optimized for more stores and a longer range while maintaining strictly subsonic flight, a lot of them were naval designs as well (A-6, A-7, Buccaneer).

I like the sound of the Griffin it definitely has the better price tag. We might actually be able to get away with a few F35s with the Griffins honestly.

Thanks for sharing!

Actually, Taiwanese F-104 scored two confirmed kills against Chinese MiG-19s.

I think it was a bit unlucky as well. Pakistanis only had a handful of them. And in the Vietnam, it was mostly kept on uneventful missions where it had no chance to kill any MiGs.

It’s original purpose was not intercepting bombers.

The PAF found the F 104 to suffice in high level interceptions and shot down several Canberras but was incapable in low level interceptions. The Indians soon found that out and after a few days at the start of the 65 war they resorted to hugging the ground and pulling up when near the target. This tactic was also used by the PAF but they didn't predict it being used against them.

VSN is improving their mod, it should be fully standalone with a proper cockpit and avionics. I'll probably redo some of these videos in the future.

I think international figures show a different picture. Despite being outnumbered the PAF was able to dominate the skies in the West. They were fighting an insurgency and civil war in the East ( now Bangladesh) where a lot of planes where lost on the ground. In dog fights in the West, Pakistani pilots acquitted themselves with distinction against the Indian pilots.

@@htastemaster7188 Insurgency, yes. Civil War, no.

@@hater-0-154 You are right I suppose but I am trying to say the Pakistani Military was fighting within and outside against India - they were in essence fighting with one hand tied behind their back thousands of miles off in current day Bangladesh. The outcome was a foregone conclusion.

@@htastemaster7188 “ paf was dominated in the west” really then why didn’t you send paf jets to air support pak army in battle of longewala and why didn’t you protect Karachi harbor when it was under attack, it was clear that paf in the west were losing because not only iaf have more aircrafts but better technology and improve defense capabilities. That’s why you couldn’t bomb properly all iaf airbases in 3rd December 😂

Paf was 100% depended on united states. But dye to 10 year weapon embargo, we have nothing to fly except danaged and used aurplanes of 1965 war. Where as iaf got mug 21 plant installed in india in 1967.which makes the dufference. Other wise tea was fantastic on 27 feb 2019.

That's true.

That's exactly what I thought. I wonder if the PAF had mostly mercenary pilots at that time .

@@alexandermakrianis Middlecoat was a Pakistani..born and breed. However his parents must have been big fans of the British Empire era when Pakistan was part of the Colonial Crown for his parents to give him such a name.

@@smellyfella5077 very interesting, thanks for the information. It really seemed unusual to me when I read that name but now it makes sense.

@@alexandermakrianis He was actually a man of mixed, part English ancestry. Obviously from his father's side. It's mentioned in the video.

@@showtime112 oh ok, I was trying to listen to see if it was mentioned. Great video by the way. It was interesting to learn how the F-104 was employed in the attack role during this conflict.

That's right. Kaiser Tufail mentions that he ejected over some marshes though. A little bit of discrepancy there.

@@showtime112 The original news report at the time said he ejected over the sea.

@@BillPurkayastha That version seemed more likely to me too.

That was the strategic situation, generally speaking.

Well 93000 pakistani troops surrendered after that war.... biggest military surrender after ww2

pakistan army was fighting 1600 miles away from Pakistan surrounding three sides into Indian territory.. No ammunition supplies no reinforcements.. Only 2400 regular were deployed and rest were paramilitary just to counter the uprising.. There was nothing big achievement for India as pakistan army were almost at the edge of lose against the Bengli rebels And Indian just entered 12 days before war ended.. If total army was collapsed as you said then india would have conquer all of disputed kashmir region.

For your information it was india which attacked in East pakistan to which retaliated from West pakistan.

@@rishithaurora 93000 figure was for all the people from West pakistan working in East pakistan including civil servants, civilians staff and their families . There were only 35 to 45 thousand fighting men.

And how do you know Pakistan wouldn't join their Chinese buddies in a possible war against India?

I think u forgot 27 feb 2019

@@fawadgillani2304 How you forgot East Pakistan (Bangladesh), Kashmir 60%, Siachen glacier,Kargil Heights.

@@angshumandutta9654 50 % Kashmir and Bangladesh is still s Muslim country. 1971 was politicians game and 34k were fighting 1 million intruding force in East even in 1971 PAF scored 3 to 1 kills against IAF and in every war and conflict PAF has 2 : 1 kill ratio. In Kargil India loses were greater.

@@showtime112 they don't have money to fund the war.they are international beggars 🤣🤣see their economic conditions brother/sister

Thanks. The number of missiles is for greater historical accuracy. Newer variants such as bis could carry four missiles. But older ones such as F-13, PF or FL could only carry two. So when I want to emulate these older ones, I only put two missiles.

Thank you very much, I try to do things at least a little different than everyone else.

@@showtime112 You do it perfectly

@@ussmassachusetts1154 The most positive comment ever 😁 Thanka!

Well, maybe not the best but it certainly has an important place in the history of military aviation

No doubt

Thanks for the suggestion. I will check if assets for this event are available.

@@showtime112 Folland Gnats (Indian) versus F 86 Sabres (Pakistani).

@@BillPurkayastha Unfortunately, there are no Gnats in DCS.

Thanks again! Everybody seems to like the Starfighter :)

Originally yes. But these aircraft were refurbished before delivery to Pakistan and received new engines and new upward firing seats.

Downward ejection, not true, it was tried during development but was deemed unworkable due to front undercarriage. F104 and MIG21 were both designed as high speed interceptors, F104 was faster and MIG21 slightly more manoeuvrable, hitting with gun fire was matter of luck in both aircraft, it is very difficult to get target for more then few seconds, neither type has long endurance, rate Middlecoat was burning fuel he most likely wouldn't reached back to base. PAF in 65 and especially in 71 didn't have any attack aircraft, loading couple of bombs on fighter aircraft was never going to win any war, even today majority of their aircraft are purpose built for defence, for offence they heavily rely on missiles and smart kamikaze drones, With limited resources, that is the only sensible option. Pilots training costs are heavy drain, unmanned fighter and bomber drone is third of the cost, salary, pension, continuous training of human pilot. ground crew all disappear, AI computer brain only needs to be trained once and you can mass produce, with economy of scale further reduces cost. This is why PAF collaborating Turkey and China.

Glad you enjoyed it

No, there's no such info in the video. Middlecoat wasn't a mercenary but a Pakistani of partial English ancestry.

@@showtime112 did I say there was a mention? It's completely my opinion

@@shubhamde3205 and as they say about opinions they are like assholes. Everyone has one.

I appreciate this comment, there's a lot more coming up!

Thanks! I suppose you could say that the difference in looks is about equal to the one between American and Soviet cars of the same period :)

@@showtime112 that’s very accurate

@@showtime112 American cars from the 60s and 70s were a class of its own

@@neerajnongmaithem392 Quite right.

DCS made a big step forward with 2.7 and new clouds, it shows here

Yup, that's what they sometimes called them :)

westerners flying coffin

Also nicknamed the “widow maker” as it had a bad habit of killing its own pilot.

@@sexysilversurfer Yes .....when used for stupid missions !

Da, ovdje je to dobro funcioniralo. Istina, osmatračka stanica je dojavila dolazak Pakistanaca na vrijeme. Ali Middlecoat nije uspio nadmanevrirati MiG-ove niti im, pobjeći usprkos velikom iskustvu.

those guns r painful to use

I'm sure many would agree with that!

Would say one out of the Top Ten list.😉🛩✈️

Thank you, keep watching!

Thanks for the comment. Pozdrav i tebi!

Thank you for your feedback!

Thank you very much for the comment!

@@showtime112 you deserve it! Still hoping to see the Dutch F-16 vs Serb mig someday ;)

@@yaboilebred4322 Oh, that's still in the long-term plan :)

@@showtime112 anytime bud, i keep learning from these video's!! I really love all the fights you cover

Thanks for the comment!

You are much better than Google 😁 Thanks for the comment, glad you liked the video!

@@showtime112 thanks brother. No problem, you have cool videos. I particularly like the history part. Be well, man.

Thank you for watching and commenting!

Thank you very much for our comment!

The idea was to maintain constant pressure on the airbases and tie down assets in defense which could otherwise be used for something else. Starfighter's speed was judged a good enough defense.

@Showtime112 That makes sense..I am curious how the other F104 missions like this went and what the impact of this strategy was in a total analysis

Actually, F-104s delivered to Pakistan were refurbished with new engines and upward-firing ejection seats. But even if this wasn't the case, there's nothing I could have done. DCS is not animation software. It's a simulation and I can't do much about the way models are programmed.

@@showtime112 I'm calling bullshit here.... ;-)

@@Tamburello_1994 Let me guess, there's a video of a former F-104 mechanic who claims that once you install a downward-firing seat in a plane, it can never be changed. Even if you install an upward-firing seat, it will still fire downward? 🤣🤣🤣 I know history books don't mean much to you but others can check Peter Davies' F-104 Starfighter Units in Combat, page 73, chapter Asia Goes Double Sonic

@@showtime112 You can most certainly say I value personal testimony, I wouldn't just discard them. I find first person accounts usually are more reliable -- at least in a court of law. No in this case its purely a case of tongue and cheek I just couldn't resist... Be well !

@@showtime112 did not the f 104s dump their drop tanks before combat. It seems SOP. for fighter a/c

That's not what this channel is all about.

Thanks! As for the skin, I adapted the USAF skin for the VSN mod. It's not done well enough so I didn't share it but it's good enough for a video.

@@showtime112 awesome, actually it looks great, we are making a Pakistani VSN F-104 skin for some Air Force Day videos (7 Sep) will share it with you. Hopefully it's done in time.

@@DCSWORLDPAK Oh, cool! I could use a properly done Pakistani skin!

Thanks for the suggestion however, you can't just make changes to an aircraft module. It is what it is and bis is the only one available in DCS. The best thing you can do is carry only two missiles. The F-104 also isn't correct, it's a G model while Pakistanis had A models.

Yeah he doesn't have the option to change that in DCS. The 21 in game is the one made in RU

@@simulatedpilot3441 Thanks!

Thanks for the comment. Falklands are definitely going to wait for the release of the Falklands map. The exact date is not announced yet but hopefully, it should be this year.

@@showtime112 great to know. Thank you for the update.

It would also be quite uncanny given we don't have most of the planes that flew there, at least in their proper variants. Community A-4E and AV-8B look too much different to the early A-4 and Harrier FRS1. Now that I think of it you could recreate Owen Crippa's discovery of the British fleet at the Falklands sound with his MB 339, and his brave attack on HMS Argonaut with only guns and rockets.

Well, Argentine Skyhawks might look different to the one in DCS due to lack of the hump but it's almost certain we will never have another variant of Skyhawk. As for the Harrier, Razbam gave some hints they would develop Sea Harrier module but that might take years. The suggestion for Crippa's mission is a good one, I will certainly consider it.

Hvala! Moram malo istražiti priču sa MiG-om i F-16. Čini se da ju neki osporavaju.

@@showtime112 greška pri kucanju, jedan od mojih najomiljenijih aviona. Čitao sam o osporavanju tog događaja. Gledao sam i video gde je vršena analiza koji avion je pogođen. Dokazano je da je F-16.

@@savamomirovic4439 Malo ću to istražiti u budućnosti. Moj F-16 zasad uglavnom skuplja virtualnu prašinu u hangaru :)

@@savamomirovic4439 Па и није доказано. Пакистанци су показали 2 Р73 и 2 Р77 од МиГа21. Тако да ништа није лансирао. Индијци су показали снимак радарске слике у том тренутку али то не показује бог зна шта.

@@TheGranicdja sam šta sam gledao, nikakvi vojni snimci, snimano je sa zemlje od strane očevidaca

Thanks! I might do a remake of this video one day if they develop a high-fidelity F-104 module for DCS. As for serial numbers, they are not always accurate. Some of those skins don't allow simple selection of numbers but an separate skin needs to be created.

Yes, I use some reshade filters. Sharpness, filmic tones and one of the technicolors.

The sources are not describing precisely but they say something like 'The Middlecoat's F-104 wasn't able to outrun or out-maneuver the MiG-21s'

Nothing like the Cold War classics!

You can certainly say it was a very successful design.

The Mig would eat the Starfighter for lunch !

@@davegeisler7802 US Air Force Brigadier ‘Chuck’ Yeager, head of the US Military Assistance Advisory Group in Islamabad during the 1971 war, says in his autobiography that “the Pakistanis whipped the Indians’ asses in the sky… the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing 34 airplanes of their own…”

@@CaptPrice_ Yeah,he was just bitter because the IAF destroyed even his personal commute aircraft which was parked on a pakistani airfield 😂😂

@@CaptPrice_ ..thats strange coz in the end PAF lost air superiority in like 2 days..so the data on the kill ratio doesn't support the outcome where IaF gained air superiority..data has got to be made up probably to keep the pakistani people in a false sense if victory

Thanks! Link is in this forum: www.lockonforum.de/community/thread/7654-f-104g-starfighter/?s=e3e6ba659bffc27f9b6154c430b8cf695d8c93d7

Looks something like that, yes. However, I'm grateful for even this. Those VSN mods really helped me because the Cold War period is covered quite poorly in DCS.

Do you mean has it ever shot down enemy aircraft? In 1965 Indo-Pak war, it claimed one Mystere, one Indian Navy patrol plane and possibly, one Canberra. In 1967, Taiwanese Air Force clsimed two MiG-19s. But other than that, it flew a number of combat missions which can be called successful.

Maybe, I need to research more about it to see if we have all the available resources.

What is the point in arguing my opening batsman played better than yours when you have already lost the cricket match so badly.

@@ashishbhatt6874 but PAF scored more kills in fair fight, you indians are two proud in surrounding east Pak army by 15 to 1 that shows level of your courage and bravery. You can talk to yourself bye bye and last 1971 was 50 years ago Abhinandan and Ladakh is fresh thing and you can't fight two ffronts

@@CaptPrice_ Pak lost the war & SURRENDERED shamefull which is the only reality world remembers....India used its resorces & won...What's wrong...If your cowards had the courage they would have fought to the last man rather than Surrendering to the India army....Also why don't you recall Pak had far better NATO armaments than India..Pak was part of NATO, SEATO, Cento etc military alliances which India was NOT....India fought on its own courage & planning...Also what happened to your muslim superiority complex of 1 Muslim vs 10 Hindus...Pakistan lost badly in Siachen, Kargil & was screwed badly by Indian pilot Abhinandan who shot down F16.

@@ashishbhatt6874 keep watching godi media because fifth floor of Serena hotel exist by Indian media just like imaginary F16

@@187a3 1. *4 of your Fighter Jets we Captured in Bangladesh when your* Pilots ran away when Pakistan 🇵🇰lost the war(if you need Proof then come *Delhi's Arts & History Museum we have it on Display and they're the original ones and we don't clean them because those Planes should be dirty like Pakistan* :) ) 2. *India 🇮🇳literally cut your country in half when we Liberated Bangladesh* 🇧🇩 3. *More then 93,000 Soldiers* (BC 93,000 Soldier's कुछ इज्जत है तुम लोगों की?) were captured and we made a World Record there in 1971 4. *We sunk your Submarine* (though reports say it was sunk by accident) in 1971 when it came to destroy our 🇮🇳AirCraft-Carrier Vikrant. *93 Pakistan Naval Sailor's died because of that nothing to be proud of. *5. *Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 we won* 🇮🇳. We killed 5,800+ Pakistani Soldiers and won 474442.332 Acres of land from Pakistan🇵🇰. 6. *Indo-Pakistani war of 1947 also we won* 🇮🇳 but didn't gain much from it except from the fact we could laugh on Pakistan :) 7. *Indo-Pakistani war of 1971 also we won* 🇮🇳 and took away East Pakistan and made it into Bangladesh🇧🇩, destroyed 20 Pakistan🇵🇰 Fighter Jets and 200 tanks and bloody captured 93,000 soldier's. 8. *Kargil War also we won* 🇮🇳 and killed 700 Pakistani🇵🇰 Soldiers and we returned 249 bodies belonging to your soldier's as a gesture of peace.☮️ 9. *Your PAF Atlantique strayed into Indian Territory in the 90s with weapons and 18 naval sailors on boards butwere killed when they tried to make an offensive maneuver on the Intercepting Mig-21 which forced the Mig-21 to shoot them down* 10. *In 2019 Balakot we entered your AirSpace* (proving your Air defenses are useless🤡)and dropped bombs and damaged one building and injured one guy. What did Pakistan do in retaliation? It came with American F-16s and tried to destroy our AirBase but instead got chased away as soon as they Indian Fighter Jets🇮🇳....yes you'll shot down a Indian Fighter Jet but what was the point of it? The world laughed on India🇮🇳 and Pakistan 🇵🇰 ...u wanted to talk in paragraphs here is your country's list :) And speaking of your present state is gonna make you cry so nvm....bas yaad rakh baap,baap hota hai :)

Yeah, sources describe that Middlecoat couldn't outrun or out-maneuver the MiG in this case.

Exactly ! They just took to long to turn.

US Air Force Brigadier ‘Chuck’ Yeager, head of the US Military Assistance Advisory Group in Islamabad during the 1971 war, says in his autobiography that “the Pakistanis whipped the Indians’ asses in the sky… the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing 34 airplanes of their own…”

​@@CaptPrice_yep Pakistan also won the war east Pakistan still exists, wake up to reality man

@@joydevsarkar4474 I was talking about air kills Dumbo

The pilot who got shot down was very experienced. It was probably the initial advantage that the MiGs had which was decisive.

Thanks for the comment!

Essentially, that is not wrong. But Pakistan had few modern, supersonic jets in the conflict and they had to use whatever they had.

There is a mod which gives you that option. I don't have a link now but I think I pasted it under another comment.

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Thanks for the comment. This seems to be the event you are talking about. The exact destiny of Mervyn Middlecoat is not known, sharks are only a guess. However, this wasn't a former Jordanian F-104. It was F-104A 56-0773, an ex USAF model and those were refurbished before delivery to Pakistan. They received new engines and upward-firing seats. Jordanian F-104s were only leased but they never crossed the border with India for political reasons. Mirage F1 is waiting for the module release, not yet determined. So far, there's only a mod which looks alright on the outside but borrows the cockpit from other aircraft. The module is developed by a team called AvioDev. You can check them out on Facebook.

@@showtime112 yes mate. Just check on a book written by René j Francillon about F104. 56-0773 was F104A-15-LO and shot down. Your 56-0874 is a F104A-25-LO. Found info about this kill on aviation safety.net.

@@dominiqueroudier9401 Thanks for the info.

@@showtime112 hello mate. For your own info, "your " F104 56-874 Was delivered in a batch With 3 others :868. 875 .877. June1961 And 21FL have a belly GP9 gunpod , not and internal gsh 23 twin barrel. As you said . Not available for vidéo. Now will watch your Last vidéo mig 15 vs F84🙋

I don't know, the sources I found are very specific. They say that a missile was launched first but it missed. However this MiG was carrying a gun pod and that the weapon used.

India was supposedly interested in American aircraft but they had already been allied to Pakistan so they turned them down. India ended up buying MiGs as a second choice but it really didn't turn out badly fir them. Pakistan was embargoed by the USA after 1965 so they started to diversify. Bought F-16s, got embargoed again... they probably wouldn't buy from the USA any more if they got 80% discount 😁 As for the Tomcat, I'm glad it's still flying somewhere.

@@showtime112 Wow, you just taught me a little something.. And as for the Tomcat, SO AM I!

You mean Gnat? We don't have it in DCS. There's this Swedish trainer which kinda looks like it and a mod should be available. Maybe I'll approximate the Gnat with it.

@@showtime112 yes Gnats

@@showtime112 @Showtime112 The Gnat is credited by many independent and Indian sources as having shot down seven Pakistani Canadair Sabres[b] in 1965 war 2. The most notable action was the Battle of Boyra where the first dogfights over East Pakistan (Bangladesh) took place. The Indian Air Force (IAF) Gnats shot down two PAF Canadair Sabres and badly damaged one. 3. Another notable dogfight involving a Gnat was over Srinagar airfield where a lone Indian pilot held out against six Sabres, shooting two Sabres in the process, before being shot down.[33][34][35]. 4.The Gnat was referred to as a "Sabre Slayer" by the IAF since most of its combat "kills" during the two wars were against Sabres despite the Canadair Sabre Mk 6 being widely regarded as the best dogfighter of its era.[36][37][38] Source: wikipedia

Znaš onaj reklamni slogan 'just do it' :) MiG-21 je kompliciran po pitanju samog letenja. Osjetljiv motor, visoke sletne brzine itd.. A opet, sistemi su mu vrlo jednostavni. Kod novijih tipa F/A-18 je obrnuto. Relativno lako je savladati letenje ali dok naučiš sve one radarske modove, senzore, sva moguća naoružanja..... Kad bude iduća akcija, kupi ga!

Actually, neither of them originally had any BVR capability. It was only added with some later modifications such as Bison or the Italian F-104S.

Who said that?

I'm always 'fascinated' by people who watch videos that are clearly not made for them.

@@showtime112 I too. And I'm always 'fascinated' by the comments too.