Or maybe I simply can't fly any better 😁 But the Egyptians had to lose, if that gunshot was a little more precise, I would have done that scene again 😁
@@Audfile Egyptians were supposed to get shot down because that's what happened in reality. My videos are not like GS or GR. GR make 'reenactments' but then often they have little to do with what actually happened. As for GS, I sometimes watch his videos but they tend to get boring. It's always the same thing, this plane versus that plane. No context or reason. I try to make videos as close as possible to actual historic events.
It's a really nice design, the French know about these things 😁 However, this mod by VSN is not their best work. F-104 and F-80 external models are comparable to commercial modules. Mirage III isn't. But, it's still quite good.
Thanks for bringing back this historical event, by doing so you are paying tribute to both side who paid the ultimate sacrifice to their respective cause and principles. GREAT JOB, thanks very much again.
I appreciate the support. I do try to give a balanced approach to the history of military aviation. Of course, that doesn't sit well with some people, but my target audience are really people like you.
The MiG-19s was able to reach great heights of up to 19.5 km in height, and that very ability to rise to great heights was used in Vietnam during US airstrikes.When American planes are fired from above something like the Me-163
Besides the fact there isn't one Google reference to it going that high... "a specialist high-altitude version of the Mig-19, the Mig-19SV, which entered limited production. This had more powerful engines and was lightened, with seatback armour and one of the guns removed, while flap settings were adjusted to give greater lift at higher altitudes and a new pressure suit was introduced. These changes increased the aircraft's ceiling from 57,400 ft to 60,700 ft. Perhaps you are confused on metric conversions. F-4 has twice the thrust. Mig-19 slower then then the Mig-21 and less maneuverable then the Mig-17. There were no MiG-19 aces. You are welcome to go to battle in a Mig-19 while I do vertical loops around you deciding when to shoot you down.
@@TurboMountTV yes but loaded f-4 in bomber stock is an easy target will hardly be able to maneuver The Vietnams shot down an F-4 with a MiG-19 on May 10, 1972 when they shot down f-4D . The MiG-19 also shot down an F-4B on April 14, 1967 On June 26, 1967, another F-4C was shot down by a MiG-19 by an American aircraft while the Vietnamese claim to have shot down 7 F-4 phantoms throughout the war. Also the MiG-19 may not, but it is approximate with the maneuver up to the MiG-17. The MiG-19 was also used not only to fight F-4s but also other American fighters at the time.Eventually the MiG-19 and its Chinese replica F-6 as part of the air force succeeded in helping and preventing the Americans from having complete air superiority over North Vietnam.
Nice ! you might also be interested in doing some content on the Mansourah air battle 1973 or the many small-scale air battles during the attrition war 1967-1971
Thanks for the comment. I've been suggested this battle already. Probably will do it someday but I can't tell you exactly when. It's a relatively complex dogfight, not the easiest thing to reenact.
@@showtime112 thanks for your efforts man it's amazing. I understand it's a mammoth effort, this battle having been the biggest airbattle in jet aircraft history by that time. I have some resources in Arabic about the attrition war air battles. If I find something in English I'll send it to you.
A other great 👍 Historical Video simply great as always. 👏Love the Six Day War one’s. You got a beautiful Mirage III C mod that adds up to the real feeling of this mission Never saw that IAF Mirage mod. 🤷♂️During the Six Day War there where also Pilots from the Pakistani Air Force flying for the Egypt Air Force and other Arab countries taking part in this war and I even read some Russian Instructors where flying for the EAF. 💁♂️
Thanks! This Israeli skin for the Mirage III appeared recently and encouraged me to try a Six Day War video, something I've wanted to do for a long time. All sorts of things were happening then. There were even British mercenary pilots flying Hunters for the Iraqis!
@@showtime112 It's new to me that the British mercenary pilots flew the Iraqis Hawker Hunters. And since those guys where mercenary pilots they didn't belong to the official British RAF. By the time of the Six Day War, in 1967, Iraqi Hunters - were flown by East German, Polish, Libyan and Pakistani pilots. I know for sure that British mercenary pilots flew the Royal Saudi Air Force BAC Lightnings starting by August 1967 but the Six Day War was already over by then. The Saudis had barely enough personnel to run existing RSAF units and nobody qualified to fly and operate the British fighters.
@@LockOnNow Actually, I made a little mistake. The fact about British mercenary pilots is from the 1973. war. It is mentioned in Osprey Combat Aircraft 44. Pilot Robert Conner was flying a recon mission for Iraqi Air Force but was shot down by Syrian air defense. The book also says that Iraqis lost more planes in that war to their Syrian allies than to the Israelis!
I've just noticed this reply from you. It was in the 'held for review' folder. YT will sometimes do it to comments that contain links. I actually own that book, read it a couple of times. And when we get Phantom in DCS, I will sure be reenacting it 😁
At the end of the 1950s, reflecting both the threat of possible invasion by the Soviet Union and the realities of nuclear warfare, Swiss military doctrine changed to that of a dynamic (mobile) defense that included missions for the Swiss Air Force outside of its territory, in order to defeat standoff attacks and nuclear threats, including the possibility of defensive employment of air-delivered nuclear weapons. However the inability to field an air force of sufficient capability to carry out such missions led to a return of traditional doctrine. Production of the Mirage IIIS developed into a scandal. Although the Air Force staff wanted to acquire the best available aircraft on the market, neither it nor the Federal Council had issued performance specifications. The concept of mobile defense had replaced static defense, such as the Réduit strategy of World War II, as the doctrine of the Swiss Armed Forces. The new doctrine required greater numbers of long-range aircraft and tanks in order to combat Soviet troops before they arrived near the Swiss border. The committee on aircraft procurement, which consisted of two military officers and an engineer who was employed by the army, originally proposed "at least 100 Mirages" to be employed in a multi-role capacity. The parliament first authorized approximately 871 million Swiss francs to build 100 Mirage IIIS under license. But this procurement was soon crushed under massive budget overruns and the government asked for an additional CHF 576 million. The cost overruns were the result of fitting U.S. electronics to the French platform, installing hardpoints for moving the aircraft inside of the caverns by cranes, structural reinforcements for jet-assisted takeoffs, and other extras to improve the off-the-shelf Mirage IIIC.[24] The wish to procure the Mirage IIIS was also boosted by the possibility that the Swiss could acquire aircraft-delivered nuclear weapons, either from France or by producing them themselves.[25] However, another major reason for rising costs was the need to develop a separate variant for the photo-reconnaissance mission when the underwing pods caused too great a performance penalty. The differences between the IIIS and the IIIRS (as the reconnaissance version was designated) resulted in only 36 Mirage IIIS fighters and 18 IIIRS reconnaissance aircraft actually built by the Federal Aircraft Factory at Emmen. Twelve were allocated to a reconnaissance squadron, three to a training group and the rest to two fighter squadrons. It was found that such a small number was insufficient to provide the multi-role capacity deemed essential for the new doctrine. The Mirage IIIS went into service in 1967, and the IIIRS in 1969.[26] The lack of financial oversight and the apparent ease with which Federal Councillor Paul Chaudet and Chief of the General Staff Jakob Annasohn chose the Mirage (at the time, the world's fastest jet fighter) led, for the first time in Swiss history, to the formation of a parliamentary fact-finding commission.[27][28] As a result, parliamentary oversight on military procurements was improved and the military was given the organizational and professional structures to avoid such budget overruns. One Air Force officer had to retire, and Annasohn himself retired voluntarily in the end of 1964, followed by Chaudet who stepped down in 1966 Söihäfeli u Söidecheli
Hurghada is not on the Sinai peninsula.... It is on the red sea border east of egyptian main land. Hutghada has never been abandonned by the egyptians and was never under Israels control allthough it was out of order in 1967.
The MIrage III is a mod made by VSN. It's been around since November I believe. They make cool mods such as F-104, F-105 and F-80. They all use FC3 cockpits and basic flight model but are very useful for AI assets. Thank you for your comment!
Just after 6 years in 1973 war the Egyptian made a great victory using mig 21 on mansura you should do another video for that I am fllowing you from Egypt and i like your video
@@showtime112 yes that's right this is the hugest aircraft in the last century it was in 14 Oct 1973 above Mansoura city Israeli air forces losts more than seven fighters between f4 , skyhawks, and mirage Just search for and u will get more information about this day Good luck 👍
@@arip9234 17 Israelis shot down vs 6 Egyptians (3 from running out of fuel and 3 actually shot down) Especially when they were 62 MiGs vs 160 assorted Israeli planes.
Just because something is not a direct threat to you, it doesn't mean it's not a threat to your fellow soldiers. Let's say you are a fighter pilot, you intercept an enemy transport aircraft full of enemy paratroopers on their way to capture one of your air bases. But you say, nah, it's not a fair fight and I'm gonna let them live. So, they land, capture the airbase and kill a whole bunch of your countrymen in the process. And then you fly back to your home base and tell this story to your CO. In a non-democratic regime. Your are getting the firing squad, no doubt about it.
Grate video!!!! Love the Era and I love that you show history from the Arab side too. May I aks you about the Greyhound? What mod is it in? And are you using the VSN Mirage III Mod as AI? Thanks!!!
Thank you! I also think this is a really fascinating period. I try to do videos from different sides. Sometimes, it is dictated by available assets in DCS. The Greyhound comes from the Military Aircraft Mod. There are seven more aircraft in it such as B-2 or C-5 Galaxy. Here, it is supposed to be Noratlas but Greyhound has some resemblance. I improvised the skin, deleted USN marking and placed some IDF instead so it's not particularly correct.
Mirages radar had very limited look-down/shoot-down capability because they were designed as high altitude light interceptors against soviet strategic bombers.. Definetely they were not designed as fighter-bombers.. French air-to-air missiles were unreliable.. The Delta-wing design acts as huge air-brake so in close dogfight the french planes loose a lot of energy.. It is obvious that Arab pilots had no significant training and no intelligence against Israeli Air Force tactics.. The egyptian MiGs were heavily downgraded also..
"The egyptian MiGs were heavily downgraded also", stop repeating Russian cope. Arab Mig-19s were not monkey models, Soviet pilot training was just lacking.
The bywords for the IAF as far as I’m concerned is meticulous planning and relentless training,it wasn’t just the preemptive strike against the main Arab airforces but the IAF ground crews were able to refuel and rearm their aircraft in record time with the precision of a F1 pit crew….more than doubling the effectiveness of the IAF….
Yes, stock skins are scarce. However, the community has made some good ones such as this Egyptian, Syrian, Vietnamese, Pakistani, Chinese.... all those who used MiG-19 in combat
I would love to. However, the main strike force were F-4 Phantoms. Right now, we only have them as AI planes. Phantom is supposedly being developed and we might have it in two years or so. Once that happens, I won't be flying anything else 😁 Thank you for your comment!
@@freakyrims1527 Yes, but F-4s came in 1969. Before that, Mirage III was the best fighter plane in IDF/AF. And even after that, F-4 was often used as a fighter/bomber and Mirage III as a pure fighter. Thanks for your comments!
@@xX_Gravity_Xx It is supposed to be flyable, I think. But I could never make any of those mods flyable, just AI. Those that use some FC3 cockpits. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong.
First of all dude in dis time that wasn't egy flag + I'm really like ur videos keep it up 2- u should make a videos about Almansora air combat when our ,EAF defeated IAF so bad + first blitz to EAF. On sinai I likes this video but u,ve to show da other side of egyptian victory Love u bro keep it up❤️
I've been warned that the flag is not correct. I didn't have any other Egyptian skin, unfortunately. I will try to cover some more topics concerning Egyptian Air Force in the future. Thanks for your comment!
Pozdrav druze, letenje i price koje objavljujes, samo mogu da kazem NEMAM RECI! Svaka cast, i samo drzi kurs koji si zauzeo po poletanju! P.S. - I jedna zanimljivost sto se tice ovog sukoba. Tadasnja Jugoslavija je prvi put uzela ucesce u mirovnim misijama pod okriljem UN! Moj deka je bio na Sinaju 1961. godine. Pokusacu da nadjem i neke slike, pa ako uspem saljem ti! Pozdrav! 😃
Hvala na komentaru! Nastavljamo i dalje u istom tonu 😉 To sa UN misijom mi zvuči poznato, mislim da su bili raspoređeni na Sinaju pa je Egipat tražio da se maknu. Pošalji slike ako nađeš.
I have the same Osprey book but can't find the passage you refer to. What page is it on? FWIW the Egyptian pilots did much better than our mostly pro-Israel Western accounts admit, and that Osprey volume helps to correct the record. The Israelis did have the edge, of course, but it was by no means the lopsided turkey shoot that some people (including some commenters on here) seem to think. Anyway, great video - thanks!
Thank you for your comment! This event is described on pages 15 and 16. It's lacking in details so I had to fill in the blanks and details in this video are my vision on how it might have happened. This book significantly changed my view of the events, I can say.
If you can get your hands on it, I highly recommend the “Arab MiGs” series authored by Tom Cooper, David Nicolle, and a number of other co-authors and contributors. That series is worth its weight in gold.
The war was lopsided, 450 aircraft loses vs 45 , 40 000 Arabs vs 1000 Israeli losses, in a conflict that lasted only 6 days. Your comment is just Indian cope, the result of the conflict speaks for itself.
Mirage ΙΙΙ became Mirage V everywhere to French Arms Customer's. Mirage V were refused to be sold to Israelis. Israelis stole the blueprint to Mirage V and built the IAI Nesher. Israeli Variant of Mirage V. Mirage V became IAI Nesher in Israeli Air Force.
That is an utter nonsense propaganda story. MIRAGE V was developed by Dassault upon isreali request for a simpler, cheaper less sophisticated version of Mirage III. Faced with embargo after the 1967 war US bought and paid for Mirage V to be delivered to Isreal clandestinely in knocked down kits to be fast assembled in isreal. There Mirage V kits were transported to isreal by Sea in secret by France where they were assembled with assistance by French technicians. Isreal floated the story of stealing blue prints and manufacturing them in Isreal. Even if isreal had stolen the plans it lacked the industrial base to manufacturers all the components, engines. Electronics........ in such a short time and field them.. The upgrad to Kafir were done in isreal with US, French assistance and installation J79 engines. China is constantly accused of copying and stealing plans but when Isreal dose it (on a false story) they are heroes, what double standards.......
@@showtime112 , my point is based on a version by a Pakistani pilot on a youtube channel that quoted him as having said that. Pakistan has a long history of flying mirages so this point carries some weight. However, Mig 19 is a much inferior fighter jet. I would like to watch the accounts of dogfights between Mirage III and Mig 21.
The French cut off supplies of Mirage parts to Israel at this time and warned Australia not to do so as well. Australia was also unwilling to use Mirages modified for the ground attack role in Vietnam supposedly because France would have objected.
Thanks! This is the P version (in DCS). I'm not sure if Arab 19's carried missiles. I can't remember them being mentioned. But they sure had the guns :) The event description doesn't give the details but I think it might have happened something like this.
@@showtime112 Aj na našem balkanskom ćemo. Verzija kojom si leteo je nosila rakete ali to tek kasnijih godina. Ne znam da li su i Arapima davali rakete...
@@savamomirovic4439 Ja mislim da 1967. još nisu nosili rakete. U Ospreyevoj knjizi ima profil egipatskog MiG-a 19 sa raketama ali iz 1969. Znam recimo da Vijetnamci na devetnaesticama nisu imali tu mogućnost do 1974. tako da su se tokom rata oslanjali isključivo na topove.
@@showtime112 Da ali te prve sovjetske su bile neefikasne. Čitao sam da su vijetnamci pre birali MiG-19 ili MiG-17 zbog pouzdanosti u odnosu na MiG-21 a razlog su te rakete.
@@savamomirovic4439 Da, kopije ranih verzija Sidewindera. Neki duhoviti ljudi su govorili da je kod njihove upotrebe za obaranje bila potrebna puna suradnja mete 😁
Heck of a nose on that jet.I don't know how that thing even flies.heck of a fight Showtime.I know that jet was hard to maneuver. God bless and keep fighting. Keep the videos coming I enjoy looking at them.I can watch for hours
لم يحصل اشتباك بين الميك/ ١٩ والميراج في حرب/ ١٩٦٧ بل حصل قتال بين الميراج و الميك/٢١ وقد استفادت إسرائيل من المعلومات التي حصلت عليها قبل الحرب من خلال التدريب على طائرة الميك/٢١ التي هرب بها الطيار العراقي ( منير روفا) إلى إسرائيل قبل الحرب ٠٠٠وقدمت لهم معلومات ثمينه استفاد الإسرائيليون منها لاحقا٠٠٠ منير روفا٠٠٠متزوج من أخت زوجة المناضل طارق عزيز٠٠٠ اعز واثمن صديق للمرحوم صدام حتى وفاته٠٠!!!
Why are you people always so confident with your misinformation? During the 6 day war the Arab militaries definitely operated MIG-19s, plus Su-7s, MIG-17s and even some hawker hunters. They didn't only operate MIG-21s.
Just a bit of information. During the 1967 six day war, half of Egypt's army was fighting in Yemen. 75,000 men at the time. The best troups were in Yemen. It was an Israeli victory but for some strange reason the fact only 70,000 men, mostly younger trainees were in Egypt is never mentioned. Food for thought. Just be in the know and informed. What seemed like an incredible victory for Israel when put in its proper perspective was quite different.
Thanks! Here's the forum link with all of VSN mods. It's a bit hard to find, if you just google 'dcs world mirage iii mod' you won't find it. forums.eagle.ru/topic/147247-vsn-flyable-aircraft-mods/
I really don't think so. In 1967. Israel had a variety of jets, some of them quite outdated. Egypt had MiG-21, pretty modern and comparable to Mirage III. MiG-19 was comparable to Israeli Super Mystere, MiG-17 to Mystere IV while Ouragan was more obsolete than all the Egyptian fighters.
Mirage III is a flyable mod. Although, at this point I had some problems with it and could only use is as AI. That's why I repeated the airfield strike scene in one of future videos and I believe it's much better there. I quite agree with your wishes :)
This makes me wonder... While it is not OK to shoot at ejected crew members from an aircraft... What if those are actually paratroopers? They are going to pose a threat on the ground. 🤔
I'm not a lawyer but I believe thst once a soldier is no longer capable of offensive actions, he mustn't be targeted. A paratrooper in a plane or a helicopter is similar to an infantryman in an APC. Once he gets to his destination, he can fight. An ejected pilot can't fight anymore. He may have a sidearm but that is a defensive weapon.
Maybe I miss something, but the escort function of the Mirage III, was totally unefective. Any reason why?. It was due to the egiptyans split to attack the escorts and the tranports at the same time?
No escort can always protect perfectly under any circumstance. Things depend on the tactics, situational awareness and so on. The exact details are unclear but the most likely explanation is that two Egyptian MiGs kept them busy (and sacrificed themselves) to give the others a chance.
I was thinking about doing one of those MiG-21 vs F-104 clashes and I probably will. There's no Pakistani skin for the F-104 but maybe I can do something that's not completely horrible 😁
@@showtime112PAF pilot abdus Sattar Alvi who shot down first Israeli Mirage 3 by flying Syrian MIG 21 in 67 Arab Israeli war.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6oVquFoD3sY.html
I actually did several videos on the 1973 war, you can find them on my channel. However, it's such a large topic that I will certainly go back to it every now and then. Especially if ED releases the Phantom module that they've been announcing for a while. Thanks for the comment!
This is not a historical reconstruction. The claims of the parties involved notwithstanding, Israeli air force never operated the Grumman C.2 Greyhound, shown here. The Israeli air force transport planes of the era were the Nord Noratlas and the C-47 Skytrain (DC 3).
Nobody ever said that Israeli Air Force operated Greyhounds. You are obviously not a DCS player so let me explain what it is. DCS World is the most complex and most realistic military flight simulation ever available commercially. It features many aircraft and other ground and naval assets from WWII to present day. But does it have every single model ever built? Not even remotely. So, for doing reenactments such as this one, you need to make some compromises such as using a more or less similar asset instead of the one you don't have. The only thing you can do unless you are a large production company with millions of dollars available. And if you know someone who does such videos with 100% accuracy, please let me know because I would love to watch that!
@@jonlang2781 And so it does. With some compromises caused by technical impossibility to be 100% accurate. But as I said, when you find content similar to this one but flawless, please let me know!
In that war a Pakistani pilot shot down mirage 3 with mig 19 and The Isreali pilot's Uniform was gifted to him 😂 Cause they were used to Egyptian Airforce. Amd when they faced the real boss They were shitting their pants
Yes, PAF pilot was Sattar alvi who shot down first Israeli Mirage 3 by flying Syrian MIG 21... Israeli pilot's name was capt Lutz. .. Ejected but died in the hospital... His uniform is still in PAF museum...
This shows the jets made by China for Pakistan on the same DNA was surely lethal pg-f6 which was mlu and then carried light capability radar and was able to fire aim9 or sparrow
50 years ago, in May 1967, Jews around the world held their breath. Israel's existence was threatened, surrounded by Arab armies. on June 5, Israeli planes carried out a preemptive strike destroying enemy airpower and paving the way for a fulminating victory. On the 10th, when the armistice came into force, Israel had conquered Sinai, Golan, the "West Bank", Gaza and the Old City of Jerusalem. Israel's crushing victory in just six days changed the geopolitical landscape of the Middle East. Emerging as the regional power, it buried the hopes of those who wanted to “wipe Israel off the map”. For all Jews, there or in the Diaspora, it was a transformative experience that, after centuries of insults and violence, filled them with pride and confidence. They will come against you in one way, but they will flee before you in seven ways ... who can stand against the God of Israel? Who will rise up against the one who can do everything? And will you stand up to tell the story !!! ???
It wasn't necessarily an easy trap. In this case, there were Israeli paratroopers about to take an Egyptian airfield. The lead element took on four Mirages so that the second element could shoot down the transport planes. It was a sacrifice. In vain though, because Egyptian ground troops retreated from the air base anyway. As for missing, perhaps they weren't missing much in reality. Also, shooting with that gyro sight is a lot harder than it seems :)
PAF pilot destroyed 4 Israeli aircrafts during 1967 and 1974 Arab Israel war.saif of PAF shoot down three Israeli air craft in 1967 and Sattar alvi destroyed Israeli mirage in 1974 ,without loosing any of their aircrafts,the flying suit of Israeli captain Lutz is on display at PAF Museum karachi.reenectment is requested.indian air chief puspinder Singh wrote that Israeli said we lost 11 aircraft all by PAF pilots.israeli despite latest aircrafts failed to shoot down single Syrian aircraft flown by PAF pilots.
...and th eArabs took it in the shorts, just like the actual war. The US gave Israel an entire factory run of M-61 tanks to help out. History may not repeat, but these days, it sure is rhyming. Slava Ukraini. We know who the good guys are, despite our own many faults.
